Bring on the Tea

In what will be one of the biggest thematic swings in my reporting career, a week after getting back from Haiti I’m heading to Nashville, Tennessee to cover the first ever National Tea Party convention.

As with any kind of grassroots movement, holding a national convention is somewhat of an oxymoron. Before dispatching me, my boss, Washington bureau chief Michael Duffy, reminded me of John Sayles’ excellent essay, the Anarchist’s Convention. And while, the contrast isn’t so sharp – the Tea Partiers don’t believe in chaos over order — it is striking to see grassroots groups whose only common theme is, arguably, small or limited government come together in a bureaucratic exercise.

Before the convention even began, it had seen controversy: Reps. Marsha Blackburn and Michele Bachmann pulled out after some disgruntled tea partiers accused organizers Judson and Sherry Phillips, the heads of a Nashville Tea Party group, of personally profiting from the venture. After all, few grassroots activists can afford the $549 registration fee. The keynote speaker, though, remains former alaska Governor Sarah Palin who has said she’ll donate her reported $100,000 speaker fee to “the cause,” which likely means her own PAC (which, apparently, has spent a good amount of those dollars donated thus far buying copies of Palin’s memoir, “Going Rogue”).

The convention begins today at 3pm and goes until Saturday night, when Palin is expected to speak at a closing gala dinner. Seminars include Tom Tancredo on immigration, Judicial Watch on the state of President Obama’s nominees to the bench and a session entitled “Correlations between the current Administration and Marxist Dictators of Latin America.” I’ll be bringing you regular blog reporters and tweets as the scene unfolds at the Opryland Hotel and Convention Center (which, by the way, is a lot like Disney World). We even have a videographer coming, for those of you interested in seeing what will surely be a very visual gathering.

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  • kevin

    Is Palin going to quit on her speech halfway through?

  • apollyon07

    I’d rather she quit before she starts.

  • deconstructiva

    Jay, thanks for covering this. I also give you props for name-dropping your boss and prefacing with “Befor dispatching me” …in case others here try to kick you for covering this instead of other “more serious” (read: palatable) topics. Is Sarah Palin allowed to donate her speaking fees to SarahPAC? Will you interview her?
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    Given Sarah’s distrust / manipulation of the media, how are you covering this event: upfront with media ID, undercover as a tourist / conventioneer, or will your media starlet status make you don a Clouseau-esque disguise (caterer)? I thought Sarah tried at first to ban the media, but do you have full access? In any case, please feed us videos and pix ASAP; I’ll enjoy them.

  • Paul-no not that one

    First of all, I feel for you JNS.

    But about this-
    “some disgruntled tea partiers accused organizers Judson and Sherry Phillips, the heads of a Nashville Tea Party group, of personally profiting from the venture.”
    I thought it was already established that they are personally profiting.

  • grape_crush

    What’s the over/under on the number of non-caucasian folks that will show up?

    Not including those working at the Opryland facility, I mean.

  • kathy

    Nah – there’s money involved.

    She gained more money than she gave up when she quite the governorship to write a book, and there was nothing to lose when she quit her 5k run, or the oil resources board (I forget the exact name) or the 4 or 5 colleges she quite…

  • grape_crush

    Oh, and a “Bring on the Teabaggers” headline would have been much, much more funny.

  • deconstructiva

    …and playing spell check on myself (ha!), that’s your quote “Before dispatching me…”. However, in your last paragraph, you wrote, “I’ll be bringing you regular blog reporters…” Is it “reports” or do you have teammates with you (or flying solo)? Opinions aside, the tea partiers are affecting R politics, so thanks again for doing this.

  • Matt

    Will the Tea Partiers even survive their first convention? Will Palin manage to insult the Partiers boycotting the convention and her speech?

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • deconstructiva

    …I wanted to see a betting pool on staff, esp. if there were different spreads covering US citizens, legal, and illegal aliens.

  • kevin

    This explains why Judson Phillips is involved with the tea baggers and why he’s trying to make so much cash off it:
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    A background check of various public records databases raises questions about how he has handled money in the past. The search shows that during Phillips filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy in 1999 and during the past decade, he has had three federal tax liens against him, totaling more than $22,000.

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    http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2010/01/15/tea-party-convention-organizer-judson-phillips-faces-more-questions-about-his-finances/

  • kevin

    Good point. A grifter never gives up the con until the cash is in hand.

  • charlieromeobravo

    I think that her PAC spending tells you all you need to know about her “commitment” to the cause. She’s about as committed to the cause as she is being a public servant. I’m shocked that any journalist is allowed anywhere near the convention. Palin breaks out in a rash whenever she encounters anything that might call into question her version of reality.

  • apollyon07

    Good point, kathy. I think people that think she has ambition for national office are dead wrong. To me, it’s obvious that she quit Alaska in order to do two things: have a bigger national profile/influence, and to make a truckload of money. While the first one may lend itself to another run, I just don’t see it happening.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks Kevin

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    Oh yeah, thanks. All of Time’s “reporters” are left-leaning establishment hacks, and JNS has amply demonstrated that she’s just a lightweight. Gonna be great!
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    Meanwhile, if there are any real reporters going to the convention, quiz the leaders attending about the points raised in my extensive tea party coverage. See the link for things you won’t hear about from either their supporters or their other detractors and you certainly won’t hear about from JNS.

  • apr2563

    apolly you are so right. I can’t believe she will ever run for President. It would expose her for the “know nothing” on issues that she is. She found a personal gold mine and will keep taking the loot while she can. There is nothing stupid about Sarah in taking advantage of what her enablers offer her. Cynical, yes.

  • jcapan

    John Sayles is God!

  • hellslittlestangel

    Will there be any TV coverage? Fox? Comedy Central? Home Shopping Network?

  • rustyreturns

    LOL the trash talking liberals decend yet again to feed on Sarah Palin.
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    You people are a joke!!

  • deconstructiva

    For now, I’ll bet she runs. Sarah’s history is to “quit upwards”: quit Wasilla town council to become mayor, joins AOGCC after mayor post but quits, becomes gov., quits, etc. Once McCain gave her a tease of the Big Time (+ $150k in RNC clothes, but I digress), I’ll bet she’ll have to scratch that private WH itch once, but whether as an R or a TP, I don’t know.

  • rustyreturns

    Can we get another round of “F-ing Retards” brothers and sisters!!!
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    How about a few “God Damn America’s” to boot from the loony left???

  • 3xfire3

    Jay Neuton-Small,

    I’m glad to see from your above comments that you are attending with an open mind and I’m sure you will do your best to give us unbiased accurate reporting of this important event.

    The above comments express what should be your assignment. The truth from your above comments is that you are going in with all the bias you can muster and try and demonize and marginalize the American citizens who are simple expressing their rights as citizens. These people are average Americans who represent a majority of our citizens. They are not radicals or extremist. Like all L/Ps you must try to destroy anyone who disagrees with your political views. You will take the actions of a few people and try to make the whole group look bad.
    How can you call yourself a reporter when you look at everything through progressive eyes? Real reporters are fair and accurate in their reporting. From your above comments you are neither.

  • northpoleresident

    I love the teabagger pic on CNN.com. What a truly diverse bunch! They really represent all true Americans.

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    I especially love the fact that they started appearing with chants of “we want our country back!” the second the first minority president was elected. What great timing! I wonder what they would mean by that?

  • mikefromca

    Rusty, your post is rich with irony. You’re trash-talking people that you accuse of trash-talking.

    You’ve provided an excellent example of how trash-talking is not a uniquely liberal problem.

    Another word for this kind of irony is: hypocrisy.

  • earljr1

    Liberals simply DO NOT get it! The majority of Americans are simply fed up with empty rhetoric and “pie in the sky” politics. You failed to learn anything from your stunning defeat in Massachusetts and will probably be just as ignorant and cavalier when we take Obama’s former seat in Illinois. Keep trashing the tea party participants and watch us reclaim America for the REAL patriots. You people had the country for about 15 minutes and look how badly you screwed things up….enough is enough, be gone with you.

  • momkat778

    Dear Rusty,
    I skip over your posts simply because they look like crazy rants what with your overuse of caps and multiple punctuation marks. Please take a deep breath now and then.

  • northpoleresident

    Big Earl is right!
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    When Bush and the republican administration took a budget surplus from Clinton and spent their way to the biggest deficit ever the teabaggers were right there to protest!
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    When the Bush administration oversaw the biggest economic collapse since the great depression the teabaggers had enough!
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    Thats why they waited a full 2 weeks after the first black president took office to say, “Hey you communist/nazi/muslim terrorist! we have had it with your spending!”

  • pintortwo

    American citizens who are simple expressing their rights as citizens. These people are average Americans who represent a majority of our citizens. They are not radicals or extremist.
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    3xfire3 makes an excellent point. Democrats and liberals are making a mistake by knocking the teabaggers (and playing into the meme of Liberal Elite). They should instead try to win them over.
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    If there are any liberals on the Hill, now is the time for them to grasp the narrative. Liberal pundits too. Make the next election between “trickle down theory” and middle-class consumerism. Explain why liberalism is a more natural fit for them.
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    Dems should bring votes on corporate oversight, bank tax, campaign finance… and dare the Republicans vote against them.
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    People are mad at wall street and the banks– but more mad at politicians whom they feel favor corporations over them (with good reason). It’s time for the Democrats to show who they truly serve. Frankly, right now I’m not sure– it looks like they want to serve Big Business and The People at the same time, but I don’t think you can do both.
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    But what is clear to me: it’s time for the liberals to sack up.

  • earljr1

    Northpole just confirmed my assessment of the liberal population…ignorant, cavalier and out of touch with reality. Your “chosen one” has tripled the deficit and the end is no where in sight. Your partisan endorsement of this idiotic, drunken spending spree will help bankrupt America. I say it is time to take our country back from people like you and guess what? We are going to do it! Go back to “lala land” and rest easy behind your rose colored glasses.

  • freeinpa

    Palin is funneling the money back to the Tea Party and to support candidates of like interests.

    BTW, what is the charity that the Messiah hasn’t turned the UNearned Nobel Prize money to? I would be willing to bet you never see that mentioned in the MSM or here by you self-righteous know-it-alls.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    TEA (Taxed Enough Already), contrary to sensationalist media coverage, includes a wide range of ideologically distinct people from myriad backgrounds. I find it quite troubling that such a large portion of commenters here so frequently malign the framed reporting of FOX news -a criticism I happen to largely agree with- yet fail to see how they themselves have been sucked into the vortex of agenda driven misinformation projected from CNN and MSNBC. The TEA movement activists, by and large, have formed independent pockets across the country with no ties to any national “party.” Time and time again, I have read local papers whereby interviews with TEA coordinators include assertions of their independence and unaffiliated status with regard to the national TEA Party. A cursory preview of videos on YouTube will also demonstrate that at nearly every TEA protest there are people from all political stripes, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, independents, etc. There are also many videos capturing the largely quiescent nature of the general gatherings, while CNN reporters find the most offensive individuals present to put on national airwaves. Taxed enough already, a position most any reasonable person in America can agree with. The demonization and misrepresentation of this very decentralized movement is a testament to how very corrupt and dishonest our public discourse has become. The coverage of the TEA movement is simply one example of a greater trend of revolting propaganda filling the airwaves from all the major networks. FOX News, most assuredly, is a major proliferator of such, but it is hardly alone in its dishonesty.

  • mikefromca

    Earl, your hatred is all too clear.
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    If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, you’d be wise to take a constructive, productive approach to the debate. Just trashing the people who hold different views from yours provides no support to your argument. You are doing your cause a disservice with posts like you’ve entered above. People who read them just think you’re a nut job.

  • rustyreturns

    “Irony” or sarcasm. It is all the same. Whether it be from my keyboard or yours, dear mikey.
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    Hell, even JNS’s posting is repleat with sarcasm, or isn’t it?.
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    Shall we review?
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    “In what will be one of the biggest thematic swings in my reporting career”

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    Now mikey, I know Opryland is full of “theatrics” and “themes”. So, irony as you put it is not so bad in JNS’s statement, but Is JNS talking about the “theme park” or about all the theater which she expects to see when she visits the Tea Party Patriots Convention? You see JNS doesn’t even have enough brains to know that the affair is called “Tea Party Patriots Convention” now. But I digress.
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    “As with any kind of grassroots movement, holding a national convention is somewhat of an oxymoron. Before dispatching me, my boss, Washington bureau chief Michael Duffy, (reminds me too, remember that name ladies and gentlemen, have your children close to your side), reminded me of John Sayles’ excellent essay, the Anarchist’s Convention. And while, the contrast isn’t so sharp – the Tea Partiers don’t believe in chaos over order — it is striking to see grassroots groups whose only common theme is, arguably, small or limited government come together in a bureaucratic exercise.”

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    What do you suppose the “irony” which is implied here mikey? “Anarchists”? Read it JNS, read about the anarchists before you go to the Tea Party Convention. Lions, Tigers and BEARS!!! OH MY!!! JNS will have her battle hardened iron panties on, all those “right-wingers”, those Timothy McVeigh-wannabes will be there!!! OH MY!!!
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    And this little goody…. oh how it made me chuckle with “irony” mikey….
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    “on the state of President Obama’s nominees to the bench and a session entitled “Correlations between the current Administration and Marxist Dictators of Latin America.”

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    Yes mikey, JNS and Joe Klein, birds of a feather as they say….flocking together….as they say, well those damn “TEA BAGGERS!!!!”….”well how DARE they accuse our President, our “Dear Leader” of being a Marxist? “How he bows and bends in front of the rich and powerful elites of the world…..he IS a PRESIDENT…damn it to hell!!!” No no no…no irony or scarcasm there, wouldn’t you say mikey?
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    But best….always save the best for last, right JNS *wink wink*…..
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    “…as the scene unfolds at the Opryland Hotel and Convention Center (which, by the way, is a lot like Disney World).”

    ….
    *giggle giggle*
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    No no no…..God DAMN America!!! ah ah ah I mean those tea party baggers….those those God Damn tea sniffing little tripes… those simpletons….those….wait…. wait…… those
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    DUMB AND STUPID AMERICANS!!!

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    No mikey…..no “irony” or sarcasm at all.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    This rant is not meant to convey a position of complete dismissal in regard to any wrongdoing or fanaticism on the part of some TEA activists. There are extremists within the ranks, even inciters of hatred and racism, who have marred the movement. But, as is true of most things in life, the TEA movement should not be defined by the actions of some, but rather taken in its entirety for what it is, a quiet expression of dissatisfaction with government waste, abuse of power, and overreach symbolized, more often than not, through peaceful assembly, rather than divisive rhetoric and rage.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Hey, freeper, here’s a clue: The Nobel is a gift. You don’t earn birthday or Christmas gifts; someone just gives them to you. Likewise for the Nobel Prize.
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    It’s their organization and their gift. They can choose whomever they want.
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    Maybe you’re just mad because Bush never got a sniff of one…

  • rustyreturns

    Dear mommie….go fly a kite!! Who gives a rat’s a$$ what you think.

  • mikefromca

    Wow. Just wow.
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    You must get tired carrying all that baggage around.

  • rustyreturns

    OMG, Exiled drank some of the Kool-aid….ah, I mean TEA!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Rusty,
    I have no idea what you’re talking about. Perhaps I need some sleep -which I do- but that post simply made no sense to me. I mean, I know what you said, but I cannot ascertain a point, just a “theme,” as you put it.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    To the contrary, MNG, what the Nobel Prize symbolizes -what it intends to convey to the world about its recipient- is not a trivial matter. It is not simply a “gift” awarded to whomever based upon whimsical affections, it is meant to embody a life of work that warrants such estimable stature. Quite simply, it is earned, or rather should be. In the case of President Obama, however, it was based more so on rhetoric than actionable peace. 30,000 troops to Afghanistan and relentless drone attacks in Pakistan hardly conjure up images of Nobelists.

  • cfukara

    JNS, Have fun with the Chai children.

    A big “thematic swing” is not all you are going to get: From being up close and personal with death and destruction unleashed by nature on a destitute black people
    (with the ensuing hunger, institutional breakdown and instability used very effectively by the opportunistic, prowling predators as a weapon for an easy de facto foreign military invasion and occupation)
    to hobnobbing with the mostly spoilt white people who owe their good fortune and prosperity to a legacy of toil, sweat, tears and deaths (and plunder) – wilfully unleashed by man – on destitute black people ….

    [Mhh. Have we witness the first time that hunger, the control of access to food and the so-called "aid" has been used as a very effective (WMD) option for military conquests? Not really. Consider the diabolically effective campaign by invading brits to exterminate the North American Indians: The rapid, gratuitous, widescale destruction of the buffalo herds that were the primary source of food for the hunters of North America. ..Later, the now landless, starving, impoverished Indians had to convert to Christianity (and thus, as the psyche war goes, embrace his tormentor) so as to access food at the christian missions. There is a history there.]

  • rustyreturns

    I’m sorry, Exiled. It initially began as a SARCASTIC statement by me at #10, reflecting all the SARCASTIC comments said previous to mine, starting off of course with Jay Newton-Smalls own posting.
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    Considering this entire thread as being nothing BUT, total sarcasm and what mikey aka mikeinca called “irony” (same thing)…I then responded to his little diatribe rebuking me for using the same tactic that we see most all liberals use on here day in and day out.
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    So I figured if mikey really wanted to see and read SARCASM or IRONY then I thought I’d really give him a good show.
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    How’d I do?

  • rustyreturns

    Is cfukara a wing-nut? DOH!!

  • rustyreturns

    Gee Exiled, I wish I could be more like you.

  • apollyon07

    ^ Haha yes, in fact with whom the Nobel has been given out to and the obviousness of it’s triviality lately, I’d be more insulted if I DID receive it. Remember when Yasser Arafat (former terrorist) won it? Good times with the UN. Obama’s nomination for it was filed 2 weeks after he took office- what a JOKE.

  • mikefromca

    Rusty, irony and sarcasm are very different things. If your irony was intentional, then you were also being sarcastic. If your irony was unintentional, then the other word I offered comes into effect: hypocrisy.
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    So you’re either being sarcastic or hypocritical and, either way, ironic. But since your posts seem to consistently use name-calling as a means of demeaning those who disagree with you, then I can only conclude that you are being hypocritical, not sarcastic.
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    In conclusion, you are a hypocrite. So you are only making yourself look bad, not those whom you trash. And your long post in response to my initial criticism says far more about you than your words. The message you convey doesn’t match your intended message, I expect.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    You were friggin’ _awesome_, rusty…
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    That’s sarcasm. And, by the way, sarcasm is _not_ irony. Sarcasm often makes use of irony, but they are not one and the same.
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    Of course, someone with your prodigious IQ would know that.
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    That’s sarcasm, too.

  • rustyreturns

    “Northpole just confirmed my assessment of the liberal population…ignorant, cavalier and out of touch with reality.”

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    In my humble opinion I think you hit the nail squarely on the head, earl.
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    But then I am sure the angelic and omnipotent mikeinca also thinks I am a “nut-job” too.
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    You see earl, someone like mikeinca. He makes it sound like he is trying to help you. Make you rethink what you say or do, but in the end, he still thinks you are a nut-job, he thinks he has been successful in shutting you up.
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    Pretty much like Obama himself has been doing of late. Don’t you agree?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Oh, and since you like to throw around quotes, ad nauseum… “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It’s just a God-d.mned piece of paper!”
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    Seen that before? Recognize it? There’s doubt that Bush actually said that, but we’ll never really know, will we…?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Gold medals at the Olympics are earned. Most of them, anyway. In figure skating, it’s always kind of up for discussion and someone is finally awarded the gold medal, right or wrong.
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    The Nobel is awarded, much like the figure skating medals. Some people may be more deserving than others, but it’s still up to that panel of judges to decide, and their criteria may or may not appear to make sense to the rest of us.
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    In the end, it’s still a gift from the Nobel committee. It’s not like Obama had to skate the fastest to win it.

  • rustyreturns

    sar⋅casm  /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
    2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
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    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm
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    And here I thought you both were “elitists” and “intellectuals”. I guessed wrong. Ain’t that right Mr Nice Guy!!!!

  • skippybkroo

    as with any kind of grassroots movement, holding a national convention is somewhat of an oxymoron.

    i don’t see why. i’m no teabagger, nor do i believe the teabaggers are even a grass-roots movement (let alone coherent), but i don’t see why a movement starting at the bottom can’t actually rise to the top and have a need for communication between participants at a national level.

    just nit-picking your use of the english language, i suppose. i think the word “ironic” would be more appropriate.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    And, crusty, believe me, the rest of us wish you could be more like exiled, too. Just wiping the slobber off of your face once in a while would be a huge improvement.

  • mikefromca

    You’re right Rusty. I think you’re a nut job and would like you to shut up. Not because I disagree with your politics, but because you’re mean-spirited and hateful.
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    But on the other hand, your posts are really entertaining. So keep up the good work.
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    Yeah, in the end, I think I’d prefer that you continue.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Very good, crusty. Impressive cutting-and-pasting. But it doesn’t support your claim. If you read that carefully, it should give you the idea that sarcasm is a “superset” of irony. Irony is at the heart of sarcasm – much like an engine to a car – but irony is _not_ the entirety of sarcasm. They’re not fungible, so to speak.
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    I’m sorry if that subtle distinction is beyond your comprehension. Maybe if you stfu once in a while and contemplated what people were telling you, rather than immediately spew your written vomit on us, you’d catch these things.
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    “It’s just a God-d.mned piece of paper!” Provoking, isn’t it?

  • mikefromca

    Rusty, nice job coming up with the definition. But you read it wrong. It doesn’t say that sarcasm is irony. It says that sarcasm is harsh or bitter irony (or harsh or bitter derision). That’s an important difference. For sarcasm to be irony, it needs to be harsh or bitter. But in your usage, it was the first case described in the definition: harsh and bitter derision, not irony.
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    This matches what Mr. Nice Guy and I have said.
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    As with the other analyses you’ve posted here, you need to dig a little deeper.

  • rustyreturns

    What nothing to contradict me? You were wrong? Did the great and powerful Mr Nice Guy and his little side-kick mikey from California finally get shut up?
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    Oh how I feel so bad for them. Their little elistist world where they live in Mommie and Daddies’ basement must be crashing down around them.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    You forgot to mention how they protested against the made-up war, torture and the PATRIOT Act, too.

  • mikefromca

    LOL! That was awesome. Keep it up man!

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Refresh your browser more often, crusty. There’s a button up in the corner for just such occasions. There’s also a keyboard combination, but I imagine your keyboard is too slobber- or other biological substance encrusted to be of much use.

  • rustyreturns

    Here you go mikey and Nicey. A great book for you both to read.
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  • Mr. Nice Guy

    If this were the case, do you think Obama, or any other democrat, would be welcome? Why does Palin – #2 in the Repug party, of late – provide the face for this organization? Isn’t the whole thing just a euphemism for the Repug party?

  • mikefromca

    No thanks. I’ve had enough of arguing with idiots and small minds on this page.

  • apr2563

    mike and nice guy: The other day someone on another thread gave me good advice. Ignore Rusty. He is basically a sociopath with whom you will never be able to exchange rational opinions. It is hard. His insanity has a certain siren call. Don’t listen. I recommend that you do not give him any more reason to post more crazy.

  • mikefromca

    Yeah, the sociopath part became obvious in his response 10.3. But it is rather fun. Like poking a baboon in his cage. Or pouring gasoline on a fire.
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    But maybe it’s a bit cruel too…

  • rustyreturns

    LOL@ap’er2563….priceless!

  • 3xfire3

    grape_crush,
    Why do you bring racism into ever discussion? Whether you are white, black or blue you seem more interested in pulling Americans apart then bring them together. We are all Americans first. The color of our skin does not define us. Only the minds of racist and/or people who always play the race card do.
    I have met many people from foreign countries who have been amasized how well people from over 150 different countries have come together and have become one people.
    I meet a young man from Belarus the other day. He now lives in Atlanta Gorgia. He expressed a concern that he sees growing in the USA that there are people trying to push Americans into different groups. Diversity and many separate groups in Europe and Russia has caused major problem in the past and are still causing major problems today.
    We, from 150 countries have achieved something that no other country has achieved, one nation united under God or who ever else you believe in. The USA is not perfect but its better then any place in the world.
    In my 71 years I have traveled to every continent and I speak from personal knowledge not from ignorance as so many people on this blog do.

  • mikefromca

    3xfire3, I wholheartedly agree with your comments regarding Americans’ ability to live and work together, irrespective of race. I too have been around the world and that experince has made me love the US that much more. But I think grape_crush’s comment is not so much about racism, but more about how the Tea Party movement is often described as representing “a majority of Americans,” yet the people at their events are nearly 100% white. It just begs the question, “Does the Tea Party movement really represent a majority of Americans?” I don’t doubt that they believe they do. But the lack of diversity at their gatherings suggests they don’t. I think it’s a reasonable criticism.

  • 3xfire3

    earljr1,
    Good Post
    The truths you speak go right over the heads of the Liberals commenting on this site. They are a bunch of losers who seldom ever come up with any real facts to back up their positions. They either make up their own facts or get misinformation from the dailyko or MSNBC and try to pass it off as facts.
    The only rational posts on this site are from the very few conservatives and moderate who take the time to make a post. The Time reporters are nearly as bad as the loony liberals on this site.

  • rustyreturns


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    What is scary?

  • northpoleresident

    Exiled,
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    I really enjoyed your posts. If it were as you describe I could even say that I would support you.
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    However when minorities see large mobs of ALL white people with nooses and crude pictures of Obama within a month after he has been elected the only thought is… what is the next logical step they would like to take?
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    If the mobs weren’t so scared to hatred of anyone different than themsleves the tea party would actually attract a much more diverse audience. Instead of fearing immigrants they could understand that immigrants come to this country to get away from an imposing government not because they want to expand government. Many come to open and do business and don’t want higher taxes or government in their faces either.
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    I guess because I support healthcare reform and can identify with our President I am a liberal. But I could care less about the democratic party. Right now democrats support health care which is an important issue to me for the unfortunate who have no care at all and are sick and would be forgotten if Obama did not risk his entire political capital to try and get reform in his first year. If all Obama cared about is power than he never would have tried to pass health care so soon. He would give up his second term to save lives and I admire him for that.

  • 3xfire3

    mike,

    Thanks for your post.
    My comments to grape are not just based on this post but many posts he has made over a long period of time. He and I are both part of bi-racial families. I look at my family, which consists of white, black and Hispanic and feel proud that we are an all American family. Grape too often makes everything a race issue and presents it in a negative way.

  • 3xfire3

    JAY NEWTON-SMALL
    DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO READ 1.7 AND GIVE THE PEOPLE POSTING ON THIS SITE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ASKED YOU?

  • northpoleresident

    Also the fact that the timing of the tea party is really convenient. When the economy was on the edge of collapse during the Bush presidency, Bush’s man Bernanke (and now admittedly Obama’s man) advised to bail out the big one’s because it would help stop the bleeding. Bush obliged and lots of $$ was spent.
    .
    So where was the outrage then? We may have fundamental differences as to how to act in a time of economoic crisis ut lets be civil. While I generally believe in the free market and capatalism, I would subscribe to the FDR/Obama policy of government should help to stimulate. Whether it be saving the jobs of teachers and firemen when cuts are looming, or spending on our decaying infrastructure to give work to the unemployed. Also when there is a collapse the economic model should be evaluated to see if the old rules still apply. FDR’s financial regulations kept the country from having another depression for many decades.
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    Some would argue that it is never the time to spend or regulate and while I disagree i can respect that. It just seems that the republicans decided not to be so conservative the last 8 years and now that they are outraged the hypocricy is to thick to cut through.

  • northpoleresident

    DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO LAY OFF THE CAPS LOCK?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Frankly, I look at crusty as a study in psychology; particularly the aspect of bad parenting. I mean, what else would explain crusty’s pathological _need_ to come on a web site like this and _beg_ for abuse? What level of insecurity would push a person that low?
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    I step away for a few minutes to get some meaningful work done, and I’m greeted by a taunt, “Is that the best you got?” “You gonna run and hide?” It’s like my failure to respond with invective is actually more painful than the verbal lashing that other sentient beings would feel as a sting. It’s almost scary in its perversity. A form of S&M without the contact.
    .
    I’m involved in youth wrestling and every now and then I see parents who a) shouldn’t have had kids; and b) certainly should not have gotten them into wrestling; or c) should be confined to the stands while their children are competing. These parents are so abusive they ought to be charged. I’ve seen kids yanked – literally – off the mat, to be hollered at in front of an entire gym, all for losing quite possibly their first match ever. We’re talking 4 or 5 year olds. It’s hard enough for a kid to square off against another child, alone, by himself. You can only imagine what a scolding could do to a small child in an already terrified and vulnerable condition.
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    Rusty, I don’t know if your parents were like what I just described, but, whatever, man. I’m sorry for what must have been a hellacious childhood.
    .
    On the other hand, your parents might have been really nice and taken great pains to make you a decent person, but you just turned out to be a friggin’ nut-job, anyway. Which one is closer to truth, we’ll probably never know. Much like whether Bush actually called the Constitution a “God-d.mned piece of paper!”

  • cfukara

    DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO SHUT UP?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Yeah, 3x, I really wish I could just go on faith that cutting taxes – while funding a couple of wars and trying to dig out of our financial mess – would help this once-great country regain its rightful position. Or at least take some of the pressure of this mess off of future generations.
    .
    But, that inner sense of responsibility won’t let me dodge what I know must be done. Kind of like when we’ve put too much debt on the credit card. When that happens, it’s time to cut the cards, get a second job, and make things right.
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    Isn’t that the moral thing to do? You wouldn’t suggest that we take the easy way out and claim bankruptcy, would you?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    northpole, you’re right about how Obama is merely following-up on what Bush started, and there’s even early evidence to show that the stimulus plan is working. However, you’ll never hear anything like that from a wingnut. Their dietary staple is schadenfreude. Admitting that Obama might be doing the right thing would make them go hungry.

  • Cliff

    Spiders are scary!

  • Cliff

    How can you call yourself a reporter when you look at everything through progressive eyes?

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    IS THIS THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
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    BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THAT’S ONLY ONE QUESTION.
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    AND SECOND OF ALL, JAY NEWTON-SMALL ONCE DESCRIBED JOHN MCCAIN AS A VIRTUAL LIBERAL.
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    AND I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT MOST PROGRESSIVES DID NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN LAST FALL.
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    SO SHE CAN HARDLY BE DESCRIBED AS VIEWING EVERYTHING THROUGH PROGRESSIVES EYES, NOW CAN SHE?

  • Cliff

    Aw hell, I screwed that up. That was supposed to be a response to #20.

  • apollyon07

    Haha, d@mn I was like, caps lock everywhere!!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Norfy, where did you see large mobs of all white people with nooses? Tell me! I want proof.
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    Without it you prove to be nothing more than a racebaiter and a liar!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    No Rusty he’s a far left unadulterated racist. It’s clear. Read any of his posts.

  • cfukara

    2thirdsrocks: ” .. Rusty he’s a far left unadulterated racist. It’s clear. Read any of his posts.

    I agree.
    Behold, 2thirdsrocks is our resident far right unadulterated racist. It’s clear. Read any of his posts.

    We like it that way, you know, fairness in Swampland …

  • earljr1

    Dear Mike, A typical liberal response. You cannot deal with the facts so you label the messenger a “nut case”. My faculties are very much intact, thank you. My message to you and fellow liberals remains the same. Your 15 minutes are up so would you please exit the stage. One year of Obama and liberal (socialist) government and our country is nearly bankrupt. If this is your measurement of success, then we are in serious trouble. Your hero has delivered exactly NOTHING on his multitude of promises, continues to exhort you and your crowd with empty rhetoric, yet the liberal mindset will follow this idiot right over the cliff. Now Mike, if that is not stupid, then what, pray tell, is??

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    a) To what are you replying? Try to stay in the thread or sub-thread where you started
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    b) Exit the stage? You’re suggesting Obama should resign? If so, why should we take you seriously? Name another president that resigned after one year. Your hero, Bush, had 8 years to completely foul up our country. It’ll take more than one year to fix it.
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    c) How do you define “liberal”? Seriously. I’m curious.
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    d) If we’re nearly bankrupt, you should talk to Bush and Congress. Obama’s merely trying to recover from Bush’s mistakes.
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    e) Where was your outrage when Bush was spending us into oblivion?

  • apollyon07

    should’ve been after 10.6

  • truepatriotky

    I always thought Time was a good news mag. With all this controversy, I can tell i was wrong. I’m canceling my subscription, and can only hope that others see the bias and prejudices. Bye bye Time. If you can’t tell it correctly, I have no use for you! America already realizes that Fox News is the most trusted source, and it’s not hard to understand why. I just hope more people come to realize that there are a whole lot more “tea baggers” out there, and you will see us in force. Tea party patriots.org is a God send, and he is the force that unites us! Do what you will…say what you want…it won’t be long you’ll realize you’ve lost your followers to the “tea baggers”. We are taking our country back. Since you’ve told us to “sit down and shut up”, it won’t be long before you have to take your own advice!! I’m done with you!!

  • 3xfire3

    I was just using the old 2 by 4 method to get Jay’s attention. In the old story it worked with a mule that was hit across the forehead with a 2 by 4.
    Apparently Kay is not able to answer the questions I asked her so she has hidden under the covers and is hoping no one will notice her ignorance.
    This is standard practice for Time reporters. They only answer questions from liberals.

  • earljr1

    Is mrniceguy a euphemism for “I follow blindly”? Just an observation, but I suspect that it pretty close to the truth. As stated previously, your mindset will lovingly follow the “anointed one” right off the cliff. Perhaps that would be a good thing…A few less liberals in this country is a problem I can live with. For your edification, my definition of a liberal is a mindset that ALWAYS blames someone else for the difficulty manufactured by themselves. (blame GWB for EVERYTHING!) A liberal is a slow learner who is prone to make the same mistakes over and over and lastly, a liberal REFUSES to accept reality, preferring to gloss over fact with a huge ration of pure, unadulterated B.S. Is this you? Sure seems that way to me.

  • rustyreturns

    Please truepatriotky do not leave the swamp. We need more sane and rational voices to be heard on this site in particular.
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    Yes, I am guilty of stooping to the same low level that you witness on here by most of the liberals. Most, but not all libereals. There are some good decent and honest ones like Exiled and stuartzechman, and a few others. But the majority, they will fight you tooth and nail to make their liberal progressive point, but when they fail, as is evidenced above in the thread, then they will resort to calling those of us here who are more conservative in our thoughts and practices as being “nut-jobs” or “racists” or whatever word appears in their brain to type at that specific moment.
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    I came onto this site about 2 years ago now. I was vilified for speaking out against the campaign of Barack Obama. Speaking out against what I firmly believed to be the wrong direction that he planned to take this country. Over and over, I was made fun of, ridiculed and basically called nothing short of a full blown racist. Exactly the same tactics which we can see right here in this thread as examples.
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    Again, I do use sarcasm against them, just as they do all the time. I am playing their game, and by their rules. As you can see, they can’t handle it.
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    But if you allow them to run you out of here, then they win. That is how I see it. The journalists on here are all very liberal or are moderate-left in their postings. Full of lies and half-truths. We must use the truth against them and prove them to be exactly what they are, LIARS. That is the only way we can take our country back.
    .
    So in conclusion, cancel your subscription and send the message, but please come back often and help us fight the takeover of our country by the liberal left.
    .
    Thank you

  • truepatriotky

    That fellow you respond to should be thankful you didn’t pull your gloves off and really let him have it!!

  • mikefromca

    Earl, you read too much into my statement. I didn’t even really call you a nut job, I said you came across as one. But now you’ve labeled me a liberal and made several incorrect assumptions about my views of the world. You’ve angrily accused me of being unable to handle the facts, yet you’ve judged me without having any facts at all. You’ve made assumptions instead of gathering facts. You even suggested that I’m stupid (your word) because I will “follow this idiot right over the cliff.” I’m not sure how you’ve determined that I even like Obama.
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    And by the way, there’s no following, only voting. In November of 2012 I will express my satisfaction or dissatisfaction with Obama.
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    Your attack on me has no foundation. My criticism of your post directly addressed your words and tone. My suggestion to you was that you might want to provide reasonable arguments, not ad hominem attacks. But your response shows me (and the other readers of this post) that it’s not in you.
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    Anyway, by all means vote Obama out in 2012 and campaign for conservatives in the various elections between now and then. It’s all good if that’s what you want. But please don’t attack people who have different perspectives. They aren’t stupid, they simply have different prioities. They aren’t evil, they just have a different view of what makes America great.

  • earljr1

    Gee, Mike, perhaps you can enlighten me. Why is it that when a conservative responds with fact, you liberals respond with “nut case”, angry, hot head, etc. etc.? Am I not entitled to an opinion? Have you not resorted to accusatory rhetoric? Reread some of your posts and deny your participation in “framing” a person because of their conservative inclination.Having an intelligent conversation with a liberal is well nigh impossible….you are too cloaked in ideology to discern fact from fiction and therein, lies the problem!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Exiled, a liberal? I hadn’t heard.
    ~
    You know, Rusty, you’ve provoked a little introspection on my part, a little philosophical soul searching, if you will. I had always thought of myself as a conservative with a strong libertarian streak in regard to certain affairs. Perhaps I was wrong, what with the de facto Swampland conservative-in-chief -that would be you- dismissing me as nothing more than a decent, civil liberal. Oddly, you’ve made my moniker a rather fitting description, as I am now cast out of the Swamp’s conservative bloc, truly an exile at home.
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    Rusty, I’m all for limited government, deregulation, minimal taxation, especially that levied for expansion of federal programs as opposed to providing necessary services. I tend to interpret the constitution from a constrained perspective, applying explicit enumeration, or lack thereof, when vetting the constitutionality of any given issue. I approach geopolitics from a rather Cold Warish stance, casting my support for expansion of national interests abroad, ever skeptical of the military prowess of our de facto nemeses, Russia, China, etc. I tend to think of myself as principled and moral, and I appreciate reflection of these values in my government. I respect, actually applaud, religion, all religions, and the values that they have instilled in civilizations the world over. I demand that this benign religious influence be acknowledged by our society and not minimalized or cast aside as antiquity. As such, I further seek the protection of religious expression, both by individuals and by doctrinal communities and leadership, including the sacred right of our politicians to express their moral, religious convictions and to base their decisions on their moral compass, just as we would allow decision-making to rest on reason. I am, quite assuredly, conservative in nature.
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    Now, that I would also stress the necessity of social justice and international respect for basic human rights, I am somehow less conservative, even liberal? Yes, I support universal health-care because I adhere to the view that we, as a society, are obligated to provide for those in true need. Yes, I demand that war be carried out in the most humane manner possible. This leads me to oppose the reckless endangerment of civilian populations in war, in Iraq and Afghanistan. This leads me to resent and oppose the continued oppression carried out by the state of Israel. That I deplore the blatant racism, systematic oppression, and diabolical arrogance cloaked in the misleading facade of democracy and false victimhood, that makes me…what exactly? Do these positions clash with conservatism, Rusty? Before you answer, I implore you to closely examine your ideological whims and carefully account for these seeming clashes. Do you honestly believe that what I adhere to is incompatible with conservatism? If so, what does that say about you that you so proudly align yourself with an ideology that you yourself believe has no room for compassion, social justice, global and inalienable human rights, and provides a rigid cover for authoritarian pseudo-democracies that manipulate the would-be sovereignty of these United States of America?
    ~

  • http://will110256.wordpress.com will110256

    The “Tea Party” folks are an outrageous insult to the original tea party – the folks who are credited with starting our Revolutionary War for Independence. People today should go back and read our history books and find out what taxation without representation was really about. The problem today is that far too many voters are simply stupid about the issues. Where were these people when “W” put through one of the largest unfunded mandates in history – the medicare prescription benefit plan? Where were they when “W” engaged in two wars with no taxes to pay for them? They’re idiots. I can’t think of a better way to put it.
    Since Ronald Reagan we have cut taxes and cut taxes, and cut some more. And what real problems have we solved. Fact: as a percentage of GNP we pay less taxes that virtually every industrialized country. Fact: eliminate everything except military and entitlements (social security and medicare) and we’d still have a deficit. Too many idiots want the government services but don’t want to pay for them. And when something goes wrong, say as in a food processing plant that puts out food that’s contaminated we chalk it up to lazy no good public servants instead of looking at the reality of the number of inspectors that we’re willing to pay for versus the number of facilities they have to inspect. And no, I am not a public servant.

  • truepatriotky

    First of all, as a Tea Party member, let me help you understand what I stand for. I’m for our constitution as the “ultimate” and final law of the land. I can’t speak for all our members, but i do believe I speak for many!! Our fore fathers knew what they were doing because it has worked for a long time. The one thing you will find with most “tea baggers” is that we are tired of government waste, and deception. Put simply, we are tired of being lied too!! It makes no difference to most of us “tea baggers” whether it is a Republican or a Democrat who is telling the lies or trying to undermine our constitution, we just don’t like it!! Honesty and character, that is where you will find my support and vote! And God help those crooked politicians who promise one thing, and then do another. They won’t last long!! On a personal note, I think “W” should be hung for treason! The so called “Patriot act” is one of the largest infringements on our constitutional rights that could ever be!! It needs to be repealed!! This brings me to my second concern, political language. I’m tired of “transparency”!! What ever happened to just being honest?? You can go to the zoo and let the gorillas watch you through a “safety glass”. You can make faces, show him your back side, and even act like you want to give one a kiss!! The gorillas can’t do a damn thing about it, because you are behind that “transparent” safety glass!! This is not how our constitution describes our relationship with our government!! It isn’t the job of government to tell us what to do! It’s our job to tell them!! If you’ve been brain washed into believing anything else, I can only feel sorry for you!! So, in conclusion, before you muddy the waters with a bunch of retorical manuer, maybe you should read and try to understand our constitution, while you can still find a copy of it!! You, dear sir, can give all your rights away, however, you do not have the authority to take mine!! You may not remember me, but when your rights are truely gone, you will remember my coments, while you are looking into your bowl of rice, or soup, and then maybe your poor insulant mind will remember….”Gee, I gave my rights away”. Good luck on your new life in one of the presently being built concentration camps here in the United States of America!!!

  • http://axollot.wordpress.com axollot

    Project much do you? Right and Left is not the point, it’s right or wrong. Ever wonder why corporations and billionaires are so vocal with their money to divide Americans?
    I try not to be a tool of corporations, like insurance companies, banks and media – they are the enemy of the people.
    There is a lot of common ground both right and left have if one stopped to think about it before slinging insults.

  • http://axollot.wordpress.com axollot

    Excellent comment Will.
    KYPatriot didn’t smooth (!!) out what they stand for as a “TEA” whateve member.
    Just a lot of echoed Beck chalk-board bs instead.
    Transparency is now a ‘fancy-elitist’ term too?!
    kypatriot -How do you equate the use of the word “transparency” into something unconstitutional? Unless you mean our government currently is not being transparent – I agree with you and I’m quite left of you.

  • truepatriotky

    axollot,
    Maybe you should learn to read and write before you attempt to get anywhere near the constitution!! It’s still stands to reason that transparency can only equate to treasoneous activity!! Presently, our govenment wants to create laws and pass bills that are “great for the people”, but somehow don’t apply to the officials in Washingtion!!! Why not wake up and see what’s going on before you shove your pointed nose back in the oat bag so far that you are ignorant of your surroundings once again!! When you agree with and understand our constitution, you will open your mind to the wrongs our government has imposed on “We the People”. You can do as you will with “Beck”. but his bottom line, I’m sure would look better than yours. It was all fun and games in MA, until the “Independant” voters had their say!! So before you discount our power, and try to kick us to the curb!! WE will stand up and be counted!! I tell our members all the time, “There’s more of us, than there are of them.” Like it or not, we are here to stay, and it’s our tax dollars that get wasted and liberties abused or taken away. I just can’t wait until November elections when most if not all those crooks lose their jobs like so many others. That is when I’d like to be there to let them know…..”I’m so sorry…this mess must have been created by the previous administration, don’t worry, just go sign up for unemployment, or maybe you’ll find more gainful employment where you can get paid for lying to you boss!! I do believe in healthcare, but you can’t convince anyone that “It’s good for everyone” when all the deals are made behind closed doors!! If it stinks like crap, it probably is…If the crap is in your pants….maybe it’s time you changed them….Truth is…the republicans haven’t stopped the healthcare bill, but the democrats that wanna complain that they can’t get what they want, or they know if they support the bill, their political careers are over!! Our government wants to distance itself from the people for a reason, because it wants to abuse the power “we” give it, without any recourse!! They can run and hide down here, but they themselves will be judged before Almighty God, and they won’t get off quite so easily!! We better keep praying for them….Lord knows they need it!!

  • rustyreturns

    Neo/Exiled, yes you are more “liberal” than I am without a doubt. Are you more liberal than stuart zechman, no, but not too far off from stuart’s “center” of gravity.
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    You in my humble opinion are a true Libertarian. A more conservative Libertarian, but Libertarian none the less. Read more on Bob Barr, I think that would be a person who you emulate very well.
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    Would I chuck you out of the Republican Party for not being “conservative” enough? No. Would I also rally support against some of your ideals within the Party, absolutely yes, especially your “social society” beliefs. I believe in individualism more than community. I know for a fact you have a “neo-libertarian, neo-socialist, neo-capitalist philosophy”. In a nut shell from your own words from previous comments you believe in some hybrid form of bringing the “best of all three systems” to create a new hybrid form.
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    So, in conclusion if that makes you feel “exiled” then so be it.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Rusty~
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    You make some valid points, and I appreciate your response as I am genuinely interested in your perspective as to where I fit in to the conservative brand. What you’ve said, I cannot challenge. I am not driven by rigidity or partisan purity. In this respect, I am independent, and as such, I may find the most reasonable -in my opinion- recourse to various issues even if that does not necessarily fit any particular philosophy or remain consistent with my own espoused ideology. At times, prudence must conquer political philosophy.
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    However, you did not truly get to the heart of my post, which was not meant to be conveyed as a conservative litmus test. You can, surely, question aspects of my considerably nuanced position as not wholly ensconced by conservatism. What you did not do, however, was actually explain where I have deviated from conservatism. What does my emphasis on human rights have to do with liberalism? If, as you say, you are more concerned with individualism than community, then it would stand to reason that you would support the innocent civilian casualties, as individuals, over the community, that being the United States, in our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. One can certainly demand humanity from your leaders, yes, without be castigated as a liberal? Further, I completely and utterly fail to see how my opposition to Israel, what I see as a pariah state, can be construed as inconsistent with any political philosophy, but specifically conservatism. I feel that Israel risks American national security and violates our sovereignty. Would you not oppose, as a self-proclaimed patriot, such callous manipulation of the American influence by a foreign entity? Finally, social justice, what of it? Does conservatism reject the notion that we are capable of compassion, and that society is intended to provide safe-haven for the disenfranchised? Is that not the most basic purpose of society, protection of individuals? For without society, we are nothing but a fractured lot of self-interested nomads; the life of man is “nasty, short, brutish and poor.”

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    And, by the way, Rusty. You hit the nail on the head in one respect. I voted for Bob Barr in 2008.

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