So is Health Care Reform Dead or Just in a Democratically Induced Coma?

Despite Scott Brown’s victory, there’s still a lot of debate over the fate of health care reform around Washington and in living rooms across America. (There’s even some debate here at Swampland.) Every day we try to read the signs and report back how things are looking. Should supporters feel hopeful? Are Democrats just plotting their next move, trying to keep their delicate efforts out of the headlines? Was health care reform Obama’s Waterloo? Is reconciliation a real possibility or can the Republicans block it? Will Democrats pretend health care reform is still a priority – to placate the left – even as Obama says other agenda items – like jobs – are most important now?

If and when I come across definitive answers to these questions, I promise to let you all know. But in the meantime, I’m going to start a semi-regular link-heavy feature on Swampland to keep tabs on which way the health care reform winds are blowing. Here’s my first report:

* In an interview with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell today, Vice President Biden referred to health care reform in the past tense, something Obama has already done. Biden said it had “gone down,” before quickly adding “temporarily.” Clip here – scroll to 5:20.

* The Virginia state Senate passed a provision Monday making it illegal to require individuals to buy health insurance. (The requirement is the “individual mandate” that’s a central tenet to Democratic federal health reform legislation.) Democrats have a majority in Virginia’s state Senate and the provision passed with five Democratic votes. The Washington Post said the move “could indicate that the president is failing to reassure members of his own party that current reform efforts remain worthwhile.”

* During a speech and town hall in Nashua, NH today, President Obama was bullish on health care. He got several standing ovations for mentioning it in his speech and the first (random) question he took was from a cancer survivor asking about insurance regulation. Among Obama’s comments, “We’re in the red zone – we’ve got to punch it through…It’s not over, we just have to move methodically…What I won’t do is stop working on these issues.” Chances are we’ll hear optimistic tough talk like this from the Administration for as long as health care reform is still on the minds of the American people. That doesn’t mean anything’s happening in Congress though.

* And although it doesn’t give us much insight on reform’s future, don’t miss this smart, well-reported story from David Herszenhorn examining what would happen if – gasp! – Republicans and Democrats worked together to rewrite the health care bills.

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  • afguy

    Imagine what could happen if Dems and Repubs worked together PERIOD!!
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    Kinda what the Founders intended to happen in the first place. We would get things done.
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    But, with one party stuck in a pertetual “NO” mode, I’m not optimistic about that happening…

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Kate. You and KT do great work here. At KT’s 2-1 post you linked, I tried to ask her how to counteract the upcoming R’s “endless stream of amendments” recon. strategy (but no answer – too busy? no answer avail.? I’m in her doghouse again?) Do you have some insights from D leaders or your own thoughts on how to fight this?
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    My wild guesses are: call their bluff on live tv and treat like it a filibuster, create “whole” bill in committee / secret meetings and present it for one vote with no amendments, or there are senate “rules” that can manipulated to bypass this strategy? But you and KT would know more than me what works, thanks.

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  • pafro

    So as to that Biden interview, Andrea Mitchell asked him if deficits are a national security issue.
    Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan, the man who is most to blame for deficits and the overall sorry state of our economy.
    For instance, in the early 2000′s, Greenspan said we had to have massive unfunded tax cuts for the rich because paying off the national debt would basically be a national security risk. He also denied there was any sort of housing or banking bubble until it collapsed and he had retired.
    Karen Tumulty gets mad when I say that our media institutions are largely corrupt, but here we have a member of said institutions, who is married to the person most responsible for stabbing America in the face with massive deficits AND stabbing America in the face with an economic bubble collapse, being allowed to question others about deficits and economics as though she is simply a uninvolved and unbiased party.
    Corrupt and unethical.

  • newfreedomblog

    “But, with one party stuck in a pertetual “NO” mode, I’m not optimistic about that happening…”

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    I am just curious, what exactly are the Republicans saying “no” to, afguy? Do you even know?
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    Ms Pickert:
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    I did have high hopes for you that you could possibly leave behind the liberal hyperbole, and report facts. But, I suppose being on a liberal dominated site such as TIME.com, you must report basically….
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    “Democrats good. Republicans bad.”

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    I am also curious if you had to have a labotomy before you accepted a position at TIME.com?
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    Perhaps you might interview a Republican or two and ask them how they like health care reform as Democrats proposed it to us in the current bill? Why did they vote no? Why were they not part of the negotiations for the bill and excluded from all the secret behind closed door meetins which have been going on at this time?
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    Perhaps you could ask some Democrats who voted for the current bill why they did not put in provisions which actually brings down the high cost of health care? High health care costs, not only for insurance premiums, but also for the various health care services which are the reasons so many people choose to live without insurance?
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    Perhaps you could ask some Democrats why they are so against Tort Reform or the sale of health insurance policies from State to State?
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    Perhaps you could ask some Democrats why they did not pass the Dorgan Amendment which would have permitted the importation of drugs from countries which have the same or higher standards for prescription drugs than what we do?
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    Perhaps you could ask some Democrats why taking nearly 300 billion dollars away from our senior citizens who have not only paid in this money to Medicare, but they must give up their Medicare Advantage program in order to fund health insurance for the 12 million it has been determined do not have health care insurance at this time?
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    Perhaps you could ask Democrats why they do not demand for health care reforms which we all do agree on; the elimination of the practice of pre-existing conditions and recision? To set up exchanges so that small businesses and individuals can purchase health care insurance as a group, and not on their own?
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    Do you think you could do that Ms Pickert, ask these tough questions? Or, do you find it more important to simply regurgitate liberal talking points in order to score a few liberal gotchas?

  • newfreedomblog

    Sorry that should be lobotomy, not labotomy.

  • pafro

    Tort reform is unconstitutional here in Arizona. Our state constitution forbids caps on damage awards. It has been this way since the state was founded.
    Are you going to shove your federal tort law down the throat of us freedom-loving Arizonans? Do you hate the legacy of Barry Goldwater?

  • deconstructiva

    Rustyblog, stop messing with Kate’s head, literally.

  • Matt

    The White House sees the tide is turning and will probably let the issue slowly die away or else capitulate to Republicans and pass right-of-center legislation with a small target of reform.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • newfreedomblog

    So is mandating I purchase health care insurance, pafro. Your point is?

  • northpoleresident

    The GOP would rather have the people with cancer and without health coverage to just die and go away. Stop telling your sob stories. It’s what they prey for every sunday at mass.

  • Kate Pickert

    newfreedomblog – I encourage you to check out the more than 50 analysis stories I’ve written since May digging into the details of the Democratic bills and covering nearly all of the topics you mention. Here, for example, is the magazine story I wrote on malpractice reform: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1924501,00.html

  • pafro

    I think if your state opts out of mandates a la Virginia you should get to live with your legislatures decision. My preferred reform was Federalist “public option” opt-out. You, by contrast are trying to make my state bend to your corporatist demands. We’ve had the chance to vote and change our state constitution a number of times to enact tort reform, and Arizonans have said no thank you.
    You realize that we already have insurance portability too right? For example, I am going to guess that Mississippi has the most lax insurance standards in the country. There is nothing stopping your state where you live from deciding they are going to do away with the insurance commissioner and accept insurance written to the Mississippi standards and everything in between. Nothing…except the will of the voters. You could start a ballot measure tomorrow and do that at the state level.

  • ohiolib

    Imagine what could happen if Dems and Repubs worked together PERIOD
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    We’d get even more bills written by lobbyists and corporations/

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    newfreedomblog: on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 high), how much effort do you think the Democrats are making to the Republicans for their health bill and trying to find a middle ground to avoid reconciliation? On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of the current bill that Democrats slowly hashed out over 8 months do you think would be kept if they had gotten a consensus with Republicans? On a scale of 1 to 10, aside from a series of amendments, most of which would be DOA (and not exactly intended to be otherwise), how much input do you think the Republicans expect to have on any level of health reform (content, not passage) from now until this attempt at Health care is done? And finally, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much of this blog entry was devoted to tactics and determining how to pass the existing bill mostly or entirely in tact as opposed to an actual substance discussion on this issue?
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    My guess, we’re looking at -1, 5, -40, and 9
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    So to answer your questions in order: No, the content of the bill was not the focus of this post, the reasons for people’s votes was not the focus of this post, they were not part of the negotiations because the Democrats have no intentions of “wasting their time” with Republicans (whether it’s an actual waste or not is dependent upon your perspective, but I think it would be safe to say that Democrats would consider it wasted), the content of the bill was not the focus of this post, the content of this bill was not the focus of this post, the content of this bill was not the focus of this post, the content of this bill was not the focus of this post, the content of this bill was not the focus of this post, the content of this bill was not the focus of this post but that item was demanded to be in the bill (preexisting conditions/recision) and the content of this bill was not the focus of this post but exchanges were definitely in the bill.
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    Right now, everyone is looking at the tactical play because the Democrats hold all the cards. Sure, they can go back to the table and negotiate with Republicans, but they won’t. You know they won’t, I know they won’t, everyone in Washington knows they won’t. That means that they’re looking for a tactic that gets them out of their current mess where they have a Health Care package close to passing but also incredibly close to death. Content of what could have been is irrelevant – what could have the world been had Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell never been enacted? It’s a waste of time for a news journal and, really, at this point, would be nothing more than a regurgitation of talking points from both sides. This post isn’t a regurgitation of talking points, it’s a regurgitation of bits and pieces of information to try and find some hint, some sign of what the Democrats intend to do next. As far as health care goes, nothing else really matters at this point.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    What a sick and ignorant comment north. Care to elaborate?

  • newfreedomblog

    Thank you for your reponse to comments, Ms Pickert. I am very familiar with your “50 or so” articles and posts.
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    Perhaps I am simply asking for not just Democrats to be interviewed and put on record, but Republicans as well.
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    Pen to paper or typed into a laptop, what exactly are the various positions of our Representatives and Senators in Washington. Ask them why they chose to vote the way they did.
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    To my recollection, I have seen little or no reporting of this or any kind by you or anyone else. Take their voting record in hand and ask why they voted “yes” or “no”. Ask them to explain to you Ms. Pickert why they did not demand “cost containing” measures were put in the bill.
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    In my mind this is the press’s role. Not all Americans have such easy access to our politicians in Washington. That is why we ask for the help of the press. To put these people on record. To basically pin them to the wall and ask them point blank.

  • pafro

    Who was the wingnut Congressman who blew off that lady with diabetes or something like that who kept getting turned down for coverage, that was asking him for help at a town hall meeting?
    It is not just a Sunday thing. I think the GOP “preys” every day of the week that people with health problems go die.

  • rustyreturns

    Here you go Kate Pickert, what do you think about this?
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    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700
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    “ST. JOHN’S, N.L. — Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.”

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    Yes indeedy you gotta love that “Universal Health Care, baby!!”. You betcha!!

  • rustyreturns

    Sick, ignorant, and another nutball like the Florida Congressman, what’s his name. Fat Al Gore’s Fat Brother look-a-like. Greyson I do believe. Yes that’s it.
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    Are all liberal loons just like you north? Just plain stupid?

  • gysgt213

    “if – gasp! – Republicans and Democrats worked together to rewrite the health care bills.”
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    Kate Pickert-If this happens then the American people are truly screwed and reform will not happen. All this hoping that the republican and democrats work together really means that the lobbyist will win and the American people will lose.
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    I know you all in the media are all over this bipartisanship now that the democrats are in charge. The one thing you in the media did not give a hoot about when Bush was president. But this in the end is a ruse where the Democrats will use the republicans as an excuse to give into their own corporate interests. Which is what the democrats want to do in the first place.

  • kevin

    Yes, Rusty, the rich and powerful of the world can and do come to the United States to get tricky procedures done.
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    I know Republicans seem to think that if some Saudi prince comes here, then everything must be fine, but I think the best gauge of how well the American health care system works is how well it works for Americans.
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    As for the Canadian health care system compared to ours, how come they’re so much more satisfied with what they have than Americans are?
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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx

  • gysgt213

    Rusty-You know there are a lot Americans that can not afford or have access to the treatment that the Premier is coming here for don’t you? That’s the problem. Its not that’s its unavailable. Its that is unattainable for a lot of your own country men and women.

  • anon76

    Rusty, you are acting like a jackass. If I go to the Mayo clinic for a delicate procedure, it is not because I am repudiating the health care system at my local hospital.

    To add to (or possibly answer) kevin’s points- if the Canadian system is so bad, why do Canadians (on average) live longer and pay less for their health care?

  • anon76

    What is all this crap about ‘if’ Democrats and Republicans worked together? Does nobody remember Baucus pissing away the summer months trying to get any useful contribution from the Republicans? He came up empty- the R’s got their chance and showed that they have zero interest in helping to pass legislation that makes D’s look good, regardless of how much said legislation is needed.

  • northpoleresident

    I feel my statement is clear. Just because one goes to church and calls themselves “christian” does not make it so.

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    If your entire life is spent sticking it to the poor, sick, and unfortunate then I say Jesus would not approve.

  • rustyreturns

    Well once we get the new and wonderful Democrat / Nancy Pelosi / Harry Reid / Barack Obama health care, we can all take a nice little trip to India, once our current system is completely screwed up.
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    Enjoy

  • rustyreturns

    Yes due to availability not being at the same level as in Canada and GB, your poll which by the way is way out dated from 2003 does show a slight positive for Canada and GB versus the US.
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    But quality of care, the US system far and exceeds.

  • northpoleresident

    I was diagnosed with a life long chronic disease after three years of suffering and pain. I know what it is like to lay awake at night in pain, wondering if I was going to die soon, wondering what was wrong with me and who I could turn to. It is a hopeless feeling I would not wish upon anyone.

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    Republicans are never asked point blank, why are you against providing health coverage for the millions of people who are uninsured? What do you say to the thousands who have cancer or disease and have no coverag? tell me.. what do you say to them? There are real people in the real world who become seriously ill everyday without any health coverage.

  • northpoleresident

    I have to stop arguing with republicans. I propose a swampland litmus test..

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    If you believe that Obama is not a citizen, that he is a muslim terrorist, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is a myth, the moon landing never happened, and dinosaurs and humans lived amongst each other like on “The Flinstones” I will just save my breath and wait for the grown ups to arrive.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Are you ignoring us republicans Norf? When the grown ups arrive are you going to have a closed door meeeting, and then whine because we didn’t contribute?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    It’s dead.

  • kevin

    “But quality of care, the US system far and exceeds.”
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    No one’s arguing with that. The whole point is access.
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    In terms of quality of our Lear jets and 48-room mansions, the US exceeds other countries too. Does that mean we’re all rich?

  • allthingsinaname

    Dead

  • kevin

    You do realize that when the Republicans ran things, they literally locked the Democrats out of conferences; they literally turned out the lights on Democrats in sessions refusing to let them participate; and they kept a vote that is, by law, required to last no more than 15 minutes open for 3 hours while they twisted arms to get what they wanted.
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    I cannot believe you are complaining that the Republicans didn’t get to participate. Not only have Democrats done none of the b.s. that DeLay and company did on a regular basis, but the whole reason health care took so long is precisely because Republicans were involved. Baucus wasted three months negotiating with Grassley and Enzi on the finance committee, and then they said they’d never support any kind of health care. Reid spent weeks courting Snowe and Collins. And on and on.
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    The problem wasn’t that Republicans were shut out of the process. The problem was that they were asked to participate and all they did was throw up roadblock after roadblock.

  • Cliff

    Most of us get to that point anyway – arguing with wingnuts is a phase many newcomers to Swampland go through.

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  • Cliff

    The GOP would rather have the people with cancer and without health coverage to just die and go away.
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    That reminds me of this:
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    Sullivan explained to McLendon and the other attendees that the rise in benefits claims the VA was noticing was caused partly by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who were suffering from PTSD. “That’s too many,” McLendon said, then hit his hand on the table. “They are too young” to be filing claims, and they are doing it “too soon.” He hit the table again. The claims, he said, are “costing us too much money,” and if the veterans “believed in God and country . . . they would not come home with PTSD.”

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    http://bostonreview.net/BR34.6/mckelvey.php

  • apr2563

    Pafro, I have to agree with you. I also despise when the traditional media goes to the sources that caused our problems for answers. This includes those who got us into the financial blow up and those that led us into a disastrous war.

  • apr2563

    new, they just voted against a commission to study how to cut the deficit that they originally proposed. Originally Obama was against the commission but agreed to support the Republicans. Then 6 Reps who had originally sponsored the bill voted NO!

  • apr2563

    New: liberal, liberal, liberal. Everyone is plotting against the conservatives. It is one giant cabal. Don’t you ever get tired of the same whine.

  • apr2563

    New: California has instituted tort reform and caps on awards. It has not kept premiums down. It has not significantly lowered doctors and hospitals liability insurance.

  • apr2563

    pafro: The usual response to the question of the uninsured who become sick from the Reps. is they can use the emergency room. Everyone has coverage.
    They conveniently forget how this impacts the premiums of those with insurance, how it can lead to financial devestaion for the patients, and the emergency room does not provide preventive or follow up care.
    But, who cares.
    That is like when GWB was at a forum and a woman, in response to how the economy was going, said she worked 3 jobs. Bush, with out skipping a beat said that’s great.

  • apr2563

    Rusty can you quantify how many Canadians come over the border to get health care. Give me a number. You can’t because it is a myth. I lived for a number of years on the Canadian border. Now they came across the border for cheaper groceries, booze when their pubs were closed on Sunday, and porno shops when they were restricted there. Never have they streamed over the border for health care. If they did, the American side of the border would have many, many clinics. It does not. Now I know a lot of people who go to Canada to get their drugs because it is so much cheaper. I now live in CA and know people who go to Mexico for treatment because it is cheaper or have had the treatment denied by their insurer. Denying treatment is pretty much rationing.
    As far as the Premier coming here for an operation, as others have said, people with means will go anywhere to get what they consider the best treatment. By golly, they even go to Europe sometimes.
    Now feel free to respond to me with a string of epithets that illustrate your inability to communicate rationally.

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  • spob

    So lessee, Obama drives a nail into Harry Reid’s coffin–i.e., his lecturing about not going to Vegas (of course, someone should tell him that, given, e.g., his dinner out in NY on the taxpayer dime), and now he’s going to want Harry to drive a few more nails in his own coffin by pushing HCR?

  • rustyreturns

    Squawk, whine and lament all you want about your precisous Democrat health care reform. It is simply NOT “reform” what-so-ever. The American people have looked at it closely, probably more than any other bill which has been brought up before the House and Senate. Breaking it down, it is a fact…
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    1. No cost containment exists in the bill at all. Premiums WILL continue to increase. Health care costs WILL continue to rise above GDP. The Democrat health care plan has nothing in place to stop it.
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    2. Currently the U.S. is in one of the worst recessions, ever. Unemployment will not come down anytime soon, and the deficit is ballooning bigger and faster putting the entire country in danger of collaspe because of the policies and legislation proposed by Democrats in 2009. We simply cannot afford to borrow and spend anymore tax dollars to pay for people’s health care insurance. That and the fact there are only about 12 million people who currently go without insurance after you take away all the millions of illegals, people between jobs, and people who simply choose to forgo insurace to afford their bongs and play stations II.
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    3. Obama, Pelosi and Reid cut major DEALS with the Representatives and Senators in Washington. Deals that we could not afford, nor should have been allowed to happen. Americans recognize these “special” deals as nothing short of BRIBES. This has left us angry and we want to throw them all out of office.
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    4. Democrats put this health care farce up as yet another Democrat scare tactic to continue the increase in size of the Federal Government. The majority of people in America want a smaller Federal Government, not a bigger one. Over 80% of Americans are completely satisfied with their current health care insurance, and they do not want Big Democrat Government to mess with it.
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    The reason health care is dead, Americans do not like what they see. They want to see THIS bill killed and for Democrats and Republicans to go back to the drawing table and redesign another bill. Less complicated. One that everyone can actually read and understand, and has remedies and changes which will make a difference. We are simply sick and tired of government programs that do not work. We are sick and tired of progressive programs which do not work.
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    In 2010 you will see reform. Reform in the manner of an election which will boot out every progressive in Congress. Period. America is finally ready to take back our country. Take it back from the theives and corrupt politicians in Washington. Ready to boot out the special interest groups and lobbyists, once and for all.

  • freeinpa

    apr2563
    “new, they just voted against a commission to study how to cut the deficit that they originally proposed”

    Is that voting for something before you vote against it?

    ==
    “Everyone is plotting against the conservatives”

    And every conservative lies and all corporations are greedy

    Do liberals ever tire of that whine? Now to complete your argument just thorw out the race card and you will have exhausted your arguments once again.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    “The problem was that they were asked to participate and all they did was throw up roadblock after roadblock.”

    Roadblock after roadblock is French for the ideas suck and the American people said enough. Folks losing elections are not Republicans “blocking” these plans but Democrats who are supporting these losing propositions.

    If the ideas were so righteous the bills would not be drafted in the dark and tried to pass without being read.

    The conclusion,If you have across the board majority in the Senate, House and WH and can’t pass what is supposed to be the most vital piece of legislation in 40 years: the legislation is horrible or they are plain incompetent. Demos hit both.

  • 1dental

    Affordable independent options must be made available to people. One of the things so hard about insurance now is that its so expensive only a few can afford it outside of a work situation.

    In the dental world, the affordable and helpful alternative to insurance is the discount dental plan. It enables one to visit the dentist at a reduced, affordable rate. Would the same independent affordable option be available in the regular health care world?

  • pafro

    I forgot about Bush telling that lady that worked 3 jobs that it was real American of her to have to slave so long and hard.
    That guy really hated the working class.

  • http://craftiejackie.wordpress.com craftiejackie

    the whole health care bill should be scraped if they want to do a bill it should not be done by just 2 people and it should not have any kind of special deals and the union should not be no where in the white house the only way pelosi and Reid got as far as they have on the bill was because they bribed people to get the votes and that is just wrong . what is wrong with people that take an oath of office to act like a bunch of rubbers and thieves . i think they all should have to start taking lie detector test to find out what their true intentions are because the way i see it they only care about themselves . they don’t really care about the American people they only want to see how much control they can get . they do not know more than me or anyone else i can read and understand things just fine who are they to think they know better . that just proves how much they think about themselves doesn’t it .

  • http://invisiblemikey.wordpress.com Invisible Mikey

    A laundry list of standard partisan talking points characterized as “tough questions”. hmmm…

    (I just posted about Why TV News Sucks, and about the music of JS Bach.)

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  • 3xfire3

    newfreedom,
    I could not help but notice that none of the L/Ps gave answers to any of your questions.
    Perhaps they agree with you [not likely] or have no answers to the questions you have put to them. All they know how to do is demonize republicans by telling lies or half truths. L/Ps are a honest free group. “The end justifies the means” is their battle cry. Logic and reality are not part of their makeup.

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  • http://www.looklovely.net dressingmyself

    Now that would be amazing – politicians from opposing parties working together!
    That might mean they were elected in the hope that they would do good for their country.
    What a revolutionary idea.

    Like this blog.

  • ruifms

    The United States are the only country in the developed world without a system of free health!!

  • http://www.neonlantern.com michaelt74

    Forgive me for seeming naive, but I can’t believe you Americans actually believed there would be health care reform with Obama and his crew holding close door meetings with all the lobbyists and health insurance execs. Can anyone actually lay out in plain English what Obama proposed to reform the disastrous system? From my understanding no public option was offered, instead people were required by law to buy insurance from the very companies fleecing the public. The mainstream have perfected their craft of misrepresentation and deceit once more. Obama is regarded by the mainstream as a socialist, whereas the exact opposite is true. If anyone politician was serious about reform, they would offer a public option and fund it by reducing the military ‘defense’ budget which is close to a trillion dollars this year. The mainstream have remain quiet on this one, true to their obedience to power.

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/11/morning-must-reads-3/ Morning Must Reads – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] Kate has previously mentioned, Virginia is moving toward banning laws that require state residents to buy health insurance. [...]

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