Gays In The Military: “The Antithesis Of The Successful War-Fighting Culture”?

Mark Thompson has a Time.com piece today about the coming high-noon showdown in the Senate over Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, when both Secretary Bob Gates and Admiral Mike Mullen are expected to endorse a move towards allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. About half way through the story, you come upon this quote from Tony Perkins, of the Family Research Council.

The sexual environment the President is seeking to impose upon the young men and women who serve this country is the antithesis of the successful war-fighting culture, and as such should be rejected.

Let us first acknowledge that Perkins vision of the new “sexual environment” is a bit overblown. As it now stands, men and women in the same unit are not permitted to engage in sexual relations with each other, and gays and lesbians are allowed to serve in the military as long as they keep their sexual preferences a secret. The proposal expected to be put forward by Mullen and Gates would continue to strictly ban relations between any two soldiers in a unit, regardless of gender, but allow those gays and lesbians who now serve in secret to publicly admit their sexual preference.

I am most interested in Perkins definition of the “successful war-fighting culture” as an inherently anti-homosexual environment, or at least a strictly heterosexual one. Throughout Western civilization, it has not always been thus. This is how Plato saw it in Ancient Greece:

Our own tyrants learned this lesson through bitter experience, when the love between Aristogiton and Harmodius grew so strong that it shattered their power. Wherever, therefore, it has been established that it is shameful to be involved in sexual relationships with men, this is due to evil on the part of the rulers, and to cowardice in the part of the governed.

Plutarch wrote of the “Sacred Band of Thebes,” an elite army unit made up of male couples.

For when the going gets tough, tribesmen don’t give much thought for their fellow tribesmen, nor clansmen for their fellow clansmen. But a battalion joined together by erotic love cannot be destroyed or broken: its members stand firm beside one another in times of danger, lovers and beloveds alike. . .

Suffice it to say, this Theban tradition did not continue through the centuries. But the non-sexual, emotional bond between men has long been much more the thesis than the antithesis of the war-fighting culture. In fact, initial training in the U.S. Army is focused on fostering this emotional commitment. As one recent publication from the U.S. Army War College noted,

[A] study of combat motivation among U.S. Infantrymen and Marines in Operation Iraqi Freedom concludes that “cohesion, or the strong emotional bonds between soldiers, continues to be a critical factor in combat motivation.”

For those who still don’t believe that the ancient Greek traditions live on in a different form in the current war-fighting culture, I would suggest that you rent Top Gun or 300. This is not to say that the successful war-fighting culture is inherently homosexual. It’s not. But neither is the antithesis of a successful war-fighting culture to be found in a man being able to admit to the other men in his unit that he is gay.

For more on the history of gays in the military, and getting kicked out of the military, see here.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Wasn’t everybody in Sparta gayer than a three-dollar bill? They still managed to kick ass.

  • square1

    Part of the absurdity of all this is rooted in the fiction that our troops do nothing but hang out in foxholes, with interruptions only for visits to communal showers. Am I the only one that has noticed that war has changed slightly in the past 100 years?

    Even if we need a rule that combat units can’t be exposed to teh gay cooties, for the love of God can we stop firing the gay Arabic translators already?

  • deconstructiva

    Don’t forget the quote by the original Mr. Conservative, Barry Goldwater: “You don’t need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.” As for the Thebans, well, at least they stood behind each other and had each other’s backs.

  • pafro

    I’m pretty sure Perkins has masturbated to the movie ’300′ before, so I don’t see what his problem is.

  • square1

    Yes, recent classical scholarship has suggested that “this” in the famous but apocryphal phrase “Come with this or upon this [he tan he epi tas]” refers not to a Spartan’s shield but his backside.

  • deconstructiva

    At least pregnancy issues would NOT be a major problem here, which reminds me of Amy’s December thread about that issue. That discourse grew rapidly. A lot of stuff was showing there. What’s happened to Amy lately anyway?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I am most interested in Perkins definition of the “successful war-fighting culture” as an inherently anti-homosexual environment, or at least a strictly heterosexual one. Throughout Western civilization, it has not always been thus.
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    This is like a nuclear attack against a cockroach.
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    “I am most interested in Tim Pawlenty’s assertion that the budget can be balanced by cutting taxes. When we turn to mathematicians and statesmen of early Western civilization, we might have seen quite a different notion. Consider the following quotes from Pythagoras and Pericles, respectively…”
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    The right wing is completely insane and untethered to reality in economic, social, or international policy. Their views are always given respectful hearing in MSM publications like Time.

  • southernbell49

    So, how does Mr Perkins explain away the fact that many countries allow gays to serve openly.

    In fact, Israel is considered as having one of the most effective military in the world and gays are allowed to serve their country in all capacities.

    Michael, you don’t have to reach back into history when all over the globe gays are openly allowed to participate in their country’s armed forces.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “The sexual environment the President is seeking to impose upon the young men and women…”

    is the same “sexual environment” that they would have to function in if they were civilians with regular jobs.

    What a bunch of knobs. The only reason this is a big deal is because homophobes have made it a big deal. I don’t think gays are looking for much here, and nothing different than a lot of other countries. They don’t want to be excluded from service due to their sexual preference and they don’t want face a discharge solely based upon their sexual preference. It’s not that tough and it’s certainly not that tall of an order. I can’t believe we’re still having this debate nearly 20 years after DADT was passed…

  • Matt

    And how would Tony Perkins have any clue about the “war-fighting culture” of the U.S. military?

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • freeinpa

    Lycurgus forbade the focus on currency via the Rhetras…not forbade money itself but really tried to divert the obession with money by turning it to a worthless metal. After this, so the story goes, Sparta began to focus her productive output on items that were utilitarian as opposed to an endless pursuit of money. According to Plutarch, this had an impact on theft and other currency related vices.
    ====

    Maybe we have discovered Obama’s (and the Proressives) model to destroy a powerful country

  • stuartzechman

    But how can rightist, fundamentalist Christo-cults successfully evangelize in a military that condones the foul, unclean unholiness which the Lord Our God in Leviticus specifically prohibits?

    1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
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    4 ” ‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
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    9 ” ‘Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.
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    13 ” ‘These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. [b]
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    20 ” ‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. 21 There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.
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    24 ” ‘You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 25 Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.
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    26 ” ‘Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.
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    29 ” ‘Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening.
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    32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean.
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    33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. 34 Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. 36 A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. 37 If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. 38 But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.
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    39 ” ‘If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.
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    41 ” ‘Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is not to be eaten. 42 You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is detestable. 43 Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them.
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    44 I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground. 45 I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.
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    46 ” ‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’ “

    Wait a minute…that’s not the applicable part of Leviticus, is it?
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    Sorry, that was about the Lord telling humanity that the eating of shellfish is prohibited and unholy, but the eating of locusts is perfect spiritually within the Lord.
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    Where is the part of God’s Holy Word in which the Lord informs the Israelites that having gay sex is even worse than eating the forbidden kinds of insects or not washing one’s clothes after touching a rabbit carcass, or failing to sufficiently detest geckos, hoopoes or bats, again?
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    Anyway, we must promote the kind of successful war-fighting culture utilized by the Israelites (until their enslavement by Babylonians, Egyptians, Syrians, Assyrians and Greeks, and their eventual colonization by the effete and degenerate, law-abhorring and punishment-averse weaklings the Romans) by suppressing open homosexuality and the eating of cormorant, otherwise our huge standing armies will eventually cease to be the Soldiers In Christ envisioned by the Founders.

  • rustyreturns

    This is yet another example of the long list of “rights” our fellow gay and lesbian citizens wish to be recognized for in our country. At what cost, if any?
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    What can possibly be any harm? Many heterosexuals decide to leave the army, navy, air force or marines, en mass? We need to build individual showers to accomodate everyone? Or, do we build separate baracks for Lesbians, Gays, Heterosexual Men and Heterosexual Women? That may create a few jobs during construction or remodeling.
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    Will they now be required to annually show the movie “Wizzard of Oz” at kickoff events for the various military clubs? Or, will everyone be satisfied with “Drag Night” once a week at the local NCO Club?
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    Or, should this be treated as yet another progressive movement to be more politically correct? To show our inclusiveness in everything about our daily lives?
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    Or is it simply to further the progressive movement on it’s current path of changing everything and anything about the United States in general?

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    This will help our immunity to the “gay bomb” Darpa was trying to develop a while back.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I’m all for you being sent to a reeducation camp where you learn how to spell “wizard” and how to properly use an apostrophe (hint: does “my” have an apostrophe? Does “his”? Then why would the possessive “its”?).
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    If you get sent to Drag Night a few times at your camp, that wouldn’t bother me much either.
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    See, progressives are perfectly capable of being non-inclusive!
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    Happily, there’s no reason to believe that American soldiers are less professional than soldiers from Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, or Uruguay. Actually, our military is highly professional.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#Countries_that_allow_homosexuals_to_serve_in_the_military

  • arbitrarystring

    Rusty, you really need to lay off the paint chips. The lead is not doing you any favors.

  • rustyreturns

    Oh pardon me dear Elvis for not spelling Wizard correctly for you. I know it is one of your life’s great acheivements to see that we all bow to the progressive will, but there are just a few of us that happen to like things the way they are set up right now. With or without the correct spelling or typo of the word wizard.
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    I am sure when your flock of loons take total power over the people, you can then send those of us who do not kow-tow to your beliefs and ultimate “master”, Barack Obama, to “camps” of your own devise.
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    In the meantime, consider it a cold day in hell when this person does anything that you believe in.

  • constantweader

    This is one terrific post, Scherer. It makes up for a host of dumb ones past. Good work!

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • grape_crush

    I don’t agreed with Perkins, but he was a Marine.

  • ohiolib

    Wow. You must really believe everyone else is as bigoted and homophobic as you are.

  • sacredh

    FTW.
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    Perkins needs to focus more on the glory of the country rather than glory holes.

  • sacredh

    That’s why I ignore the Bible. There’s just too many damned rules.

  • jsfox

    Rusty, most soldiers already know who is gay and who isn’t. It really isn’t all that big a secret. And since there are already gays in the military why does anything need to change? And given the fact that as of right now most commanders are starting to ignore the rule – they cannot afford to loose good troops ( discharges from DADT are down 30%) It is well past time to let our soldiers serve without having to lie about who they are.

  • logicalmayhem14

    Rusty’s right. Ever since our office found out that a fellow employee is gay, we’ve been forced to attend at least one drag happy hour per week and we’ve already watched Brokeback Mountain twice. Unfortunately thats the way it works in America. Just allowing your co-worker to admit he’s gay means you must watch gay porn.

  • carpevis

    This is because they take their policy cues from pundits like Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh – neither of which is qualified to do more than they do. And what they apparently do is incite people for their own personal gain.
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    It’s sad that the right wing can’t formulate any kind of economic, social or political plan without ensuring they are aligned with people who are utterly unqualified to authoritatively speak on any of those subjects.

  • http://www.jesus-on-taxes.com Ned Netterville

    Why would gays want to SERVE, openly or closeted, in the military? The best military service can do is make them less. The standing army (navy and air force) of the United States is the greatest waste of resources ever devised and the greatest impediment to peace since the Brits “owned” the seas by force of arms.

  • adajam

    So, “rusty returns” and gives us this unfortunate but characteristic comment:
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    “This is yet another example of the long list of “rights” our fellow gay and lesbian citizens wish to be recognized for in our country. At what cost, if any?”
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    Do you know or associate with any homosexuals, rusty? I guess you do not, since you might find them repulsive.
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    There are conflicting reports whether homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgender is genetic, or a combination of genetics, temperament, or environment. Regardless, this is not something that is chosen. They do not choose to be who they are. They just ARE.
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    Before “coming out”, adolescents in particular, hiding and lying their identity because of trying to fit a defined “pattern”, go through a period of confusion, severe depression, thoughts of suicide, attempted suicide, and even suicide. After “coming out”, for some, the pressure is off. For others, the taunts and ridicule make it even more unbearable. There are still parts of this country where they are thought of and treated as second class citizens and worse than trash.
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    This link from the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, explains what I am talking about.
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    http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/gay_lesbian_and_bisexual_adolescents
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    Homosexuals, bisexuals, transgender, have the same rights to serve in the military as anyone else, as long as they wish to do so. If they have the same rights as the Constitution gives them, why is it that we deny them the right to defend our country if they choose to do so?
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    The notion that they would need separate accommodations as if they were a plague, or that they would bring depravity to the Armed Forces is archaic and absurd. You must remember the case of the rapes and attempted rapes at the Air Force Academy, a case that broke 6 years ago, but had been going on for over 10 years. For over a decade, more than 100 women were raped or sexually assaulted by MEN. For all that time their superiors turned a blind eye. Heads rolled only when the case became public. This had nothing to do with gays. These were all heterosexual assaults.
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    Why am I passionate about this? My son is gay. His adolescent years were painful, until he “came out” to us. We embraced him and told him we loved him. It was through family therapy that we were able to realize the fears and anxieties he was going through because he did not know how we were going to react when he told us his “secret”. He did not have to fear. Our love for him could not have pushed him away no matter what.
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    This, in contrast to a friend of his whose parents threw him out of the house when he “came out” to them. To this day, 29 years later, he has not been “forgiven” by his parents. I cannot fathom this.
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    Being gay is not a sin; it is not an abnormality; it is nothing you have to be “accepted” for, because you have not done anything to lose that acceptance; it is not something you have to be “recognized” for; it is not something that takes away your rights as a human being; it is nothing you have to be ashamed of. Unless laws have been broken, just like any citizen, rights are the same as those of anybody. It IS about time gays ask to be treated just like everyone else. They have been denied their deserved rights far too long, not just in the military, but in society.
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    My son told me something that puts this in perspective: “Why would I choose a “lifestyle” that would put me on the path of constant ridicule, taunts, the butt of sick jokes, threats, and at risk of being killed?” Remember Matthew Sheppard?
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    rusty, I am not trying to change your beliefs, but you do seem to be a “black or white” type of person. You do not seem to accept “grays” for any reason or on any topic. On this particular issue, I am flipping the coin to the other side so you take a good look at the other perspective.

  • adajam

    “To this day, 29 years later,….”

    Correction: 19 years later.

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