In the Arena

Pathology

Before September 11, Fouad Ajami was a well-regarded Middle East scholar. Since September 11, he’s had the distinction of coming from the region–he’s Lebanese–and being relentlessly wrong about it, especially the war in Iraq. More recently, since the arrival of Barack Obama, Ajami has expanded his area of inexpertise to include American domestic politics. And today, he hammers away at the President in very personal way on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page:

Mr. Obama’s self-regard, and his reading of his mandate, overwhelmed all restraint…

And later:

And then there was the hubris of the man at the helm: He was everywhere, and pronounced on matters large and small. This was political death by the teleprompter.

Americans don’t deify their leaders or hang on their utterances, but Mr. Obama succumbed to what the devotees said of him: He was the Awaited One. A measure of reticence could have served him. But the flight had been heady, and in the manner of Icarus, Mr. Obama flew too close to the sun.

The Icarus business has become a standard right-wing trope…although you’d think conservatives would be well-versed in Ronald Reagan’s first term, which featured a power dive in the polls as a result of a bum economy, a wholesale abandonment of conservative principles (three massive tax hikes in a row), then, finally, resurrection and a landslide reelection. Obama’s slight tack to the center in his State of the Union Address, on issues ranging from nuclear power to free trade, is presidential business as usual–distinctive only in the fanatic nature of the Republican opposition, which seems intent on opposing things it has always favored. (Including the health reform plan, which was based on a Heritage Foundation idea and implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.)

But there is another, more troubling and outrageous aspect of the Ajami argument: the conservative fetish about the President’s ”self-regard.”

Ajami is not alone here. Former Bush Deputy Minister of Propaganda–and now a daily predictor of falling skies and presidential implosions–Pete Wehner referred to Obama’s “pathological self-regard” a few weeks ago. Pathological? Where on earth does that come from? And where on earth does Ajami’s notion that Obama “succumbed” to the “Awaited One” expectations that his followers had of him? Where’s the evidence?

Is it because Obama proposed a stimulus package (which helped to prevent a Depression)  or universal health care (which might have relieved untold misery)? You can question the politics of both initiatives, especially health care. You can question the execution. You can question the trust Obama placed in the sorry leaders of the Democratic Congress….although, wait, wouldn’t a President besotted with self-regard insisted on handling health care reform himself?

He gives speeches. Very solid ones, crammed with strong policy arguments. He reads them off a teleprompter…which leads some Republicans to wonder if, maybe, someone is feeding him these lines. But wouldn’t that be the opposite of self-regard? Indeed, the Republicans are tripping all over themselves with contradictory arguments–the President is egomaniacal…and yet weak. He’s an elitist intellectual…and yet too stupid to ad lib his speeches.

Yes, the President is a bit of a loner…and that can be a political liability, as I wrote last week. But I’ve never noticed in him the presence of overweening self-regard. Quite the opposite, in fact: he lacks the overt self-centeredness I’ve seen in other Presidents. He actually likes having conversations about policy with people who don’t agree with him. He has no time for sycophants.  (Hate to say this, Pete, but Obama’s lack of pretense reminds me quite a bit of George W.)

And I think this lack of neediness is driving conservatives nuts. Obama doesn’t have the personal problems that people like Wehner thought were so devastating and debilitating about Clinton–problems that Newt Gingrich once famously associated with liberalism (somewhere between his second and third marriages). Obama is, unfortunately for Republicans, uxurious. He is not quick to anger; he is unflappable. He is a small-c conservative, not very demonstrative.  He has obviously made mistakes–political mistakes, not personal ones–and he is moving to correct them now. I don’t know if he’ll succeed.

I suspect that these quiverings about Obama’s self-regard reveal more about the pathologies of his accusers than about the President. And I’m sure, if he notices this phenomenon at all, he will see it for the psychobabbly trash it is.

And Furthermore: Perhaps the last word on Obama’s alleged self-regard should be his “question time” performance with House Republicans last Friday. He was modest, civil and accurate. He admitted mistakes, but called out the Repubs when they were retailing baloney…I can’t remember another President with the confidence to go into the lion’s den like this–that’s self-regard you can believe in! (And I hope he continues to do it.)

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  • allthingsinaname

    I really do not know how to respond to this. This sh.. goes viral, and there really is no way to stop it. So why does the MSM even rebroadcast it?

  • sy2d

    The fact that someone who pens an op-ed in the WSJ ahs proven to be “relentlessly wrong” on the subject matter he/she is opining upon is not surprising. Being relnetlessly wrong on the WJ op-ed page is a prerequisite, not a disqualifier.

  • queencersei

    First of all, there shall be no criticism allowed of St. Ronnie. He was the end all, be all of conservatism. Signing abortion legislation into law while Governor of California and while President presiding over tax hikes, cutting and running in Lebanon, negotiating with the evil Russians and worst of all, working WITH Democrats….we’ll just pretend none of that actually happened.
    Second, the whole ‘Obama as messiah’ has been and remains a favored GOP talking point. Please don’t break ranks with your fellow journos now by actually challenging assertions that are being flung out there for partisan gain.

  • queencersei

    My favorite WSJ piece of the last 6 months remains the Russian professor who is certain the U.S. will collapse and break away into something like 10 different countries. Best part, Arkansas will become part of Mexico and Massachusetts and South Carolina will become part of Europe.

  • pafro

    This is why us regular folk think you journalists are so worthy of mocking.

    Obama never, ever, acted as a “Chosen One”. That has been Republican projection from day one. Do you even remember McShame’s “celebrity” ad. Republicans were mad that Democrats were running someone who was telegenic and the fact that people actually went to Obama’s speeches in large numbers made them settle on a course of attack that centered on him being too popular. It is old news.

    Mocking low-grade, 4th on the depth chart, wingnuts like Fouad Ajami, who are still clinging to the negative mythology that they created because they don’t have anything positive to say about themselves, is better left to bloggers at Sadly No or TBogg who are pretty funny while doing it.

    You are wasting your time with this instead of doing journalist stuff harkens back to the reason we were so easily lied into a war and scumbags like John Yoo are going to get away with crushing America’s collective testicles. We need real journalism in this country.

    In fact, maybe instead of litigating whether wingnut mythology is correct or not, your time would be better served by calling your stenography buddy Pete Hoekstra and asking him if he agrees/approves with the sort of crazy wingnut mythology that seeps up form the scuzz swamps that Fouad Ajami inhabits. There you could at least help insure that Michigan does not elect a mad man for governor.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I remeber Ronnie well. He kicked ass. He truly was the be all end all. God I miss him.

  • grape_crush

    I suspect that these quiverings about Obama’s self-regard reveal more about the pathologies of his accusers than about the President.

    Thanks, Joe. This needed to be said, and needs repeating, because plenty of journos seem to find such quiverings ‘provocative’ thinking, Joe…for instance, this column that poses the question:

    ..does Obama’s sense of intellectual superiority breed certainty or doubt?

    The whole set of right-wing canards about arrogance and self-importance has soaked so thoroughly into the public narrative about Obama that even supposedly mainstream and ‘neutral’ media figures take such charges as fact.

    Maybe you can talk to Scherer?

  • square1

    Where on earth does that come from?

    The thing about Republican memes is that they work on multiple levels. The attack on Obama as a self-appointed “chosen one”/Icarus is a case in point:

    Level 1: The entirely benign level of political spin. If you don’t like your opponent’s agenda then it is entirely in your self-interest to frame your opponent’s every political setback as a rejection of the agenda and a result of “over-reaching.”

    Level 2: Reverse Psychology/Attack on Opponent’s Strength. Republicans are much better than Democrats at focusing in on the emotional/sub-conscious factors in electoral politics. They recognized that Obama’s image as a celebrity/visionary/leader was his greatest strength. So, they attack him for it. In the best case scenario, Obama himself becomes defensive about the attacks, tones down the scope of his agenda, and avoids imagery and political staging that would be subconsciously powerful (e.g. think back to the GOP’s attacks on the Dem convention before it was even held).

    Level 3: Yes, it must be said, there is dog-whistle appeal to, particularly Southern, racists with the attacks on Obama’s “self-regard”. This is a thinly veiled attack on Obama for being an “uppity negro.”*

    *It is often a waste of time to debate whether certain language emanating from the GOP “is or isn’t racist” because the language is supposed to work on a number of levels, racism being just one of the levels. For Southern racists, “uppity negro” resonates loud and clear. For others, likely including Fouad Ajami, the Icarus comparisons resonate with their ideological background. People want to believe that their personal views and values are mainstream. Hence their ready willingness to believe that the public has also rejected any policy that they personally reject.

  • tstar3

    I am just as perplexed as you are Joe. How can these two statements be for the same person.

    “He is arrogant and smug and eats arugulas”

    ” He is weak, look he is bowing to the left or the japanese prime minister”

    After the arse thrashing they got on Friday at their conference meeting, I would be throwing all kinds of poo poo at Obama too.

    The problem is that the elitist label was already thrown at him and it didn’t stick. Someone with 7 houses is elitist, someone with 1 is not. Someone who can’t admit a mistake he made in 8 years is elitist. Someone who can admit mistakes in 1 yr is not.

    And of course Morning Starbucks said Obama was arrogant this morning, oh yes, Joe Scarborough the only person in the world who can be called STUNNINGLY SUPERFICIAL IO HIS FACE and still have the cojones to keep with the same talking points that got him reprimaded.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    The “arse thrashing” seems to have had little effect. Just more words. November will give new meaning to the words “arse thrashing”.

  • southernbell49

    I wonder when Rupert Murcoch will start featuring a naked girl on page three in the Wall Street Journal.

  • kevin

    All you seem to care about are approval ratings, so here you go — the a$$ kicking Obama gave the GOP did result in three point bump in his approval rating in a single day.
    .
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx
    .
    Get ready for more, princess.

  • tstar3

    And according to Gallup, more states are blue than red. Don’t confuse voter anger at incumbents with some GOP tidal wave pal. Don’t you have a tea bagging convention to go to..the one organized by lobbyists and elitists…I mean grass roots and working class.

  • Matt

    Didn’t the Republicans just go through their own deification of a President last decade? And what about their anointing Sarah Palin as the Savior of this one? Obama has “pathological self regard” yet Palin’s memoir is just right? Come on…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • sevenoaks07

    The header says it all: pathology! Joe, do you think the WSJ has much credibility outside its circle? I know journalists are often defended as being on the “right” side of reporting at the WSJ while their opinion side is the home of Propaganda Inc.

    Obama’s REAL problem is that he has not made nice with Sally Quinn. Until that happens, and Brodie, bless him, looks on approvingly, the President will remain an outsider.

  • tstar3

    Because we all know Brody and Quinn make up “Real America” and don’t forget their hard working regular Joe run of the mill pal, Dan Balz…..snark snark

  • freeinpa

    JK

    “Mr. Obama’s self-regard, and his reading of his mandate, overwhelmed all restraint”

    The plunge in his poll ratings would suggest that this statement is essentially correct and the elections in NJ VA and MA would confirm that despite being personally popular his mandate was not what he thought it was.

    ==
    “And then there was the hubris of the man at the helm: He was everywhere, and pronounced on matters large and small. This was political death by the telepromter”

    Unemployment 10%, deficits rising, no HC reform but commenting on police arrests in MA, College Football BCS indicate this is essentially true.
    ==
    Joe, he may have not have been right until this op-ed but that gives him a higher percentage of being right than you have.

  • sevenoaks07

    tstar3: Now, Now. Broder has this wonderful gift: he visits “Middle – or is it Muddled?- America”, sits on a bench a la that character played by Tom Hanks and gets to feel the pulse of Real Amurrica which translates into words that only Brodie hears and the meaning of which only he can divine.

  • Ivy_B

    It used to be that the WSJ was very credible on its news pages, while the editorial page had their very clear opinion. Since Murdoch bought the WSJ, the opinion seems to have slithered into the news pages and I no longer consider them credible and important.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Oh please 3rdrocks — you don’t remember St Ronnie at all, what you remember is the legacy polishing that was done after the fact. If you actually remembered his presidency then you would know that the second term was a complete failure, and that Sam Donaldson was kicked out of the white house press room for reporting on Reagan’s senility long before actually left office and admitted he had alzheimer’s.

  • 3xfire3

    seven,
    “The header says it all: pathology! Joe, do you think the WSJ has much credibility outside its circle?”

    The WSJ has passed up USA Today and has become the most read and largest circulation newspaper in the USA. I think that may answer your question.
    I suppose you will say Americans are too uninformed and dumb to understand the truth. Maybe you should replace Americans with Liberal/Progressives in my last sentence.

  • queencersei

    I always felt that the onset of senility was one plausable explination for his behavior during Iran/Contra.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Mocking low-grade, 4th on the depth chart, wingnuts like Fouad Ajami… is better left to bloggers at Sadly No or TBogg who are pretty funny while doing it.

    I agree with this, for the most part. However, Ajamis and Robertsons make up about 97% of GOP commentators and voters. So recognizing the fact-free bile that is Fouad Ajami is part of recognizing that the opposition party is devoid of ideals, and has degenerated into a series of personal and cultural resentments.
    -
    But it is true that Obama’s too-small stimulus bill and the Senate’s momentum-killing pace on the health care bill were the product of the “cult of centrism,” not just directly the stridency of the opposition.

  • 3xfire3

    JK
    You still sound like a press secretary for Obama. How can you agree almost 100% of the time on all major issue Obama promotes. Your total bias is so evident that it’s hard to take your reporting seriously. You show zero balance on all major issues. Occasionally you mention some minor disagreement you have with Obama but they are usually so insignificant that they are meaningless and appear as a feeble effort to appear balanced.
    Try to act more like a reporter and less like a lap dog. You should be a better reporter of the facts than you are. There are two sides to ever story. Try telling both sides for a change. That what good reporters are supposed to do.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    You scan hardly expect conservatives who home school their young to keep them from being exposed to facts, that doesn’t even question Fox news’s decision to stop broadcasting a Republican event rather than allow their followers to be exposed to their utter humiliation on Friday, to actually acknowledge the truth when they hear it or be shamed by the obvious contradiction in their assertions.
    .
    A Better question Joe would be to ask your colleagues why they feel it is their duty to repeat the conversation rather than reveal the truth. Why do they not understand how they skew political opinion by repeating GOP talking points no matter how detached from reality they might be rather than the facts on the ground. Why do they expect voters who are unaware of this distorted journalistic imperative to distinguish between fact from fiction

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I predicted a little bump, and I also predict it to be very short lived. Rising unemployment and forclosures will see to that. The memory of the”smackdown” will be quickly erased.
    .
    Her’s another prediction PAL, you WILL see a GOP tidal wave come november, actually more like a bloodbath. And you will see more teaparties, organized by “we the people”. Over a million in DC last september, look for that number to double. Lobbyists and elitists? That’s your party. I’m sure SEIU will organize something you can attend, if for some reason you feel you need a counter protest. Oh, and one more thing: BITE ME!!

  • freeinpa

    Dee:

    You make one idiotic assumption after another. You have no basis to judge any conservative (please spare the tired out “my brother-in-law is a conservative meme) and yet you manage to use trend line extrapolation based on lies and misstatements from left wing nut jobs. The only true conclusion is that idiotic thought processes is your norm.

  • sevenoaks07

    3xfire3: Point noted. I don’t think one should tar Americans as being dumb because they read papers other that the WSJ, WP, NYT etc. USA Today has a different reading public than the WSJ. In a country of 300m people I am not sure circulation figures say much. I focused on the contents and for that I’d say the WSJ is geared to a specific market in the same way the NYT is and the WP. Our papers don’t have nationwide reach; but they have agendas and the WSJ moreso.

    On the issue of dumbness.narrow mindedness, singlemindedness etc the spectrum from left to right has its quota.

  • diecash1

    It’s been readily apparent from your commentary that you aren’t too bright but this statement is impressive in its idiocy:
    ..
    “Over a million in DC last september, look for that number to double. “
    ..
    Perhaps you should stop getting your “information” from winger idiots like Beck et al. The fire department estimated the crowd at about 40K, woefully short of your bogus “over one million” figure. Get a clue already.

  • havoc29

    Bravo, Mr. Ajami! Great article. Anything that has gotten the neo-Marxist, lap dog of Barry into this much of a tizzy is spot on.

    Joe Klein is an eletist, pompus, neo-Marxist blowhard. He is still pissed that Glenn Beck schooled him in front of 4 million Americans last week.

  • 3xfire3

    seven ,
    Thanks for your post. It did not come back with name calling etc. which is too often the case on this blog.
    My only disagreement with you is that I believe circulation does matter. It is an indicator of how many people believe that particular newspaper is giving them accurate information. This is also true of other media sources. I know many liberals like to dispute this because FOX rating are so high that they can’t believe that many people feel that way about FOX.
    I’m 71 years old and have watched many networks of news over the years and I have found FOX to be more honest than the MSM. That’s why they are continuing to gain market share at the expense of all other news channels and programs.
    I have noticed that almost all people who bash FOX are not regular FOX watchers. They get their views of FOX by hearing what other MSM are saying about FOX or through sound bites taken out of context. If they actually watched FOX for a reasonable amount of time they would find that it usually speaks the truth. FOX is the only network that almost always has credible liberals and conservatives presenting both sides of a story.
    Every comment I hear about how bad FOX is is from someone who has heard something on a liberal bog that discredits FOX.
    These people are demonizing with half truths and lies to support their views of the world. This is dishonest and not what our country is about.

  • apr2563

    Uppity. Elitist. Arrogant. Communist. Socialist. Faciest. Unamerican. Foreign. Traitor. Marxist. Pompous. Messiah.
    Take your pick of these words and many other negative acjectives and you too can be a right wing commentator.
    Facts? Pfft.
    Yes, I am generalizing but not by much.

  • tstar3

    Oh free free free..May I ask you of what ridiculousness you speak of. Notwithstanding, the fact that Obama is at 50 in gallup…what politician comes close to him…Romney, Huckabee, McCain, Palin..you talk about numbers in abstraction..put Obama and any pol on any poll and easy, it’s +7,+9 or above. No one wants those retreads…and let me inform you on a couple of conservative heroes. Scott Brown is a pro-choice (yes I meant to write choice and not life) and he posed in one of those heathenrific magazines…of course, not like the classy Ms. Wasilla pageant Sarah was strutting around in, and Rubio (I live in FL) will be exposed for the fraud he is. You guys are always yelling how Obama is an empty suit, well Rubio is an empty vessel. This guy was for immigration before he was against it and he didn’t raise taxes but he raised fees and we all know thems aint the same thing..wink wink.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    What’s your problem with homeschooling, Dee? Our kids don’t get educated in public schools, they get socialized, and I don’t mean the political philosophy type of socialization, so please do get all excited about that comment. Honestly, Dee, our schools teach kids simply how to memorize enough to pass a test and move along, giving the state it’s much-sought-after federal funding. Other than that pittance of instruction, what do they get? Social interaction? Not exactly the intent of education, don’t you think? Simply because your kids are home schooled does not mean that they are sheltered. There are numerous activities ranging from youth groups to sports that can keep kids engaged with their peers, that’s not what public schools are supposed to be about. Some of the brightest kids out there in this mediocre 21st century garbage society are those that were home schooled using rigorous curricula such as that offered by Seton Hall. These are kids who we can count on in the future to salvage what’s left of this country, not the little snotty nosed iPod carrying brats that aloofly walk the halls of America’s public (mis)education system.

  • johncmh

    I agree with you that Fox News’ viewership is dedicated. They do believe Fox is most honest, though I would point out that my relatives that turn to Fox don’t look at CNN, MSNBC or other channels. They’re just as self-selecting as dedicated MSNBC fans. And one of their talking points is that because Fox News has a larger viewership, for a cable news channel, it means that Fox News is “fair and balanced”. I watch a good deal of Fox News when I visit them and, in between the endless ads for gold sales, am struck by the bias. Almost all coverage gives the benefit of the doubt to Republicans, criticizing Democrats and the nefarious “liberals”. I finally had the chance to sit down with my dad and walk him through the Senate health care plan last week, cut through the Fox spin and get at the facts. Since he only watches Fox, he had no clear idea what was in the plan. He lives in MA and supports RomneyCare – almost a duplicate of the Senate plan (with more cost control than RomneyCare). Once we discussed it, he understood the similarities and supported it.
    One great example from Friday. Why would an unbiased channel cut away from Friday’s Q&A discussion at the House Republican meeting? It was great television but Fox can’t seem to give a platform to the President without negative commentary. I think you have a point about non-Fox viewers not understanding what’s on the channel but I suggest you also look at other channels, esp. PBS. Bottom line, if you want news with a conservative slant and that’s “honest” to you, admit it. Pretending Fox has no bias just doesn’t hold water. I don’t want the conservative slant so I go with some of the other channels.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Where did you get your tea party info Die? Tell me what makes you so damned knowledgable. I was there, camera in hand, knowing full well the media would go to great lengths to dismiss and minimise it. There was 40,000 people in the sh!thouse lines you idiot.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I remember jobs coming back practically overnight, something that doesn’t seem to be happening now, Dee. I remember night turning into day. What do you remember?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Almost accurate apr. But you left out the word Obama.

  • ekwynn

    I am a conservative who,

    1. Rarely if ever watches Fox News (I used to watch it a lot in the 90′s when it was new, but over the years I’ve become less attracted mainly because of the increasing bias. I am already conservative, I don’t need to be fed raw meat to keep me that way). And

    2. Used also to read and appreciate Joe Klein.

    Joe was, for a liberal, a reasonably fair commentator. But since he has become what appears to be an O’Bama apologist I think he has come unmoored from what he once believed. His attack on Ajami is rather shrill and not always accurate or fair. Mr. O’Bama is most definitely an elitist (elitists are not defined by wealth but by the level to which they believe they are special and more attuned to intellectual provenance), and he is definitely an ideologue. What is most interesting about O’Bama’s recent move towards the center is that it shows me just how different things seem to be when you are finally briefed on the actual situations around the world. I only have to point to his decision to move 50 of the worst Guantanamo prisoners onto continental American soil and to keep them indefinitely incarcerated without charges. That is something that a leftist of his stripe would only do if he had learned what the reality is as opposed to what the ACLU and the New York Times want you to believe it is. So kudos to the President for that. As to the attacks on Ajami, it was bound to happen. A Lebanese of Persian ancestry who believes that the war on terror is real and that terrorism was not invented by the Younger Bush would eventually have to be brought to heel. His attacks on O’Bama have sealed his fate. It doesn’t take a Fox Watcher to divine these things, just an ordinary NYT cum WSJ reader such as myself can do it.

  • apr2563

    Here is a present for commentators on the right.
    Rush wants to let you know keep up the good work. It is difficult but he is positioned on the left in the video.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    And?

  • sevenoaks07

    3xfire3: So you are a senior. May I respectfully disagree with you on the circulation issue. But, our Republic allows us to have differences. My task is to persuade you, and your task is to persuade me. In the end I believe we both want what is best for our country and those who will be inheriting our massive debt.

  • sambam23

    I don’t think this is a waste of time at all. Whatever one thinks of Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal, there’s no doubt that it is an important and widely read publication.

    The evidence-free assertions and rank hypocrisy that fills their pages (and hour upon hour of Fox News coverage) DOES need to be called out for what it is – dishonest propaganda.

    Thanks Joe.

  • pm413

    Joe Klein on Fox News today is obviously out of touch with the a huge majority of ordinary americans. Until today, I have never viewed Glen Beck; never. GB’s program came oh before I changed the channel and decided to listen a few minutes out of curiosity. One general opinion I came away with after viewing Glen Beck was he was saying what I hear from neighbors, co-workers, friends and even people I meet at Walmart or the supermarket. However, Joe Klein stated this is not what the average American thinks. Well, Joe Klein is out of touch with the regular folks!!

  • pm413

    And these regular folk don’t drink Koolaid!

  • diecash1

    Well dimwit, you might want to learn to use “the google” for starters:
    ..
    Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.
    ..
    At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as “tens of thousands.”
    ..
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055
    ..
    In addition to numerous reports citing figures similar to this, you can look at pictures of that pathetic “protest” and compare them to the inauguration, when there actually was a crowd of more than one million people there.

  • apr2563

    2third: I feel I can post directly to you now. I thought the commentators on the right would like to see Rush getting “groovy” or consider it another means of his mocking Michael J Fox’s Parkinson’s disease. You are not amused?

  • 3xfire3

    pm413,
    Don’t try to confuse JK or any of the other L/P on this site with the truth. They prefer to make up their own truths to fit their political views.
    Truth is so very inconvenient to L/P. It gets in the way of their distorted views of our great country.

  • 3xfire3

    johncmh
    Thanks for your post.
    I never said that FOX did not have a conservative slant. What I have said is FOX is fair and balanced. It leans conservative but does a good job [not perfect] of presenting both sides of the issues with both credible Liberals and Conservative guests giving their views on the issues. One can lean conservative or liberal and still be honest in their reporting and commentaries.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Nice try dietrash. Cling hard to your liberal media. They tell you what to believe, and turn your brain to mush. I will just continue to believe what I see with my own two eyes. I was there, I know. You weren’t. End of discussion. Suck the liberal media tit till your head caves in. I prefer reality. If B.O says the sky is blue I’ll look out the window just to make sure.

  • johncmh

    Thank you for your reply. Well at least it’s progress that you acknowledge a “conservative slant”. That’s farther than my relatives go in describing Fox. They seem to think they’re still watching an independent PBS type of network. I don’t understand, though, how a network with a conservative slant that clearly affects the attitudes of its hosts and guides which stories it covers and doesn’t cover isn’t “unfair and biased” vs. “fair and balanced”. Again, if you want biased news from a conservative viewpoint, Fox does fit that need. And continues to stack the deck with the weakness of its “liberal” commentators. Juan Williams as a strong “liberal”? Heck, Hannity finally ditched Colmes after yelling over him for years. I do wish Fox would be more honest about its bias just like some magazines are.

    As far as circulation being a guide to quality, the Star outsells most major newspapers by a mile, does that make its stories true?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I was very amused. The man’s a lousy dancer, but a very funny guy. You know jack about him so don’t pretend any differently. Your knowledge of Rush comes from the liberals that despise him. Or should I say, fear him. And I know what he said about Michael J. Fox because I was listening to his show when he said it. Every word, the complete context. You sucked up the liberal hate spin as usual. Michael himself admitted he was unknowingly being exploited by the stem cell nuts, and was indeed overdoing his illness for the sake of the camera.
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    I appreciate you adressing me directly.

  • diecash1

    “Michael himself admitted he was unknowingly being exploited by the stem cell nuts, and was indeed overdoing his illness for the sake of the camera.”
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    Where exactly did you hear that? On Rushbo’s show perhaps? Feel free to post some evidence to support that ridiculous assertion, though I doubt you can.
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    From a CBS News article:
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    When actor Michael J. Fox appeared in a TV political ad supporting stem cell research, a flurry of controversy erupted around his Parkinson’s disease symptoms.
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    Was he exaggerating, as one radio commentator suggested?
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    Many people don’t realize how severe Parkinson’s disease can be. This is largely because most of us have never witnessed these symptoms unless we personally know someone struggling with this disabling condition.
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    Fox has a very severe form of Parkinson’s that affected him at a young age. And he’s been through many aggressive treatments, including brain surgery.
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    The symptoms he displayed on the commercial are common Parkinson’s disease symptoms.
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    In the past we’ve witnessed his tremor that’s so characteristic of Parkinson’s. And his uncontrolled body movements that appeared during the commercial are also typical of Parkinson’s — and also possibly a side effect of one of his medications.
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    Despite all his treatment, Fox continues to have severe Parkinson’s symptoms that are likely getting worse over time.
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    Unfortunately, medications often may not work that well, especially as the disease progresses. That’s why researchers are working furiously to find new and improved treatments for Parkinson’s.
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/health/webmd/main2125009.shtml

  • apr2563

    2third…Did you see the video of that program showing Rush twitching and accussing Fox of exageratting his symptoms? My father had Parkinsons, it is not funny and neither is Rush. As far as I’m concerned, he is a bully.
    Since you know so much about him, you must know that he had a show in Sacramento just before being hired in NY. I heard him quite often then. Someone I worked with insisted on listening to his show when we worked late. His shtick was to make fun of the “red necks” that live in the suburbs of Sacramento in a town call Rio Linda. A real man of the people he was. He constantly made fun of their poverty and their way of life. Rio Linda is prominently a white, working class area. His joy in making fun of the vulnerable, less educated was not something I wanted to listen to on a continuing basis.
    The defense of LImbaugh is always that he is just an entertainer. My opinion is that he is a bullying, elitist filled with insecurities that makes him spew hate speech and intolerance.

  • apr2563

    2third: Please, as die requested, post documention of Michael J. Fox admitting he exagerrated his symtoms for the stem cell nuts. I have belonged to the Parkinson Foundation a long time and will admit they made a lot of money off the video of the boorish Limbaugh mocking Fox and the disease. Fair game.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Well actually yeah I did hear that on Rush apr, along with seeing it on Fox news. Parkinson’s is horrible, but you’re not the only one who has seen it and been affected by it. One thing I’ve noticed about you,(and I’ve read all of your posts) is that you want the world to see you as the queen of tragedy, and misfortune and compassion. I feel sorry for all of the misfortunes that have befallen you in the course of your life, but guess what? You don’t own the market. I’ve had my share of ups and downs and tragedies, but I can always find someone whose had it worse.
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    Hate doesn’t sell. Bullies don’t rise to the top in their fields. You don’t have the number one radio talk show in America for 20+ yrs. by spewing hate. You don’t have the number one news show on all of television by telling lies and disimformation. It doesn’t work that way. You want so bad to believe that there’s some vast right wing conspiricy that fuels fox news and pumps out lies in order to undermine the “president”. You explain it away by calling those who watch it dummies, or lemmings or whatever. It doesn’t work. It just causes the audiences to grow. I’m a redneck. That’s right, a gun totin’ love of God country and family redneck. Rush still uses his little Rio Linda bit, several times a day in fact, and all of us rednecks just laugh and continue to enjoy his show. We know where his heart really is. You deride the redneck, and the Tea partier. But you fail to notice our vast numbers. Olberman, Matthews and Maddow spend their whole show ridiculing the average joe. Sarah Palin is the Queen of rednecks, and any body who likes her is automatically crazy or stupid. As a result look at their numbers, low and still dropping. Proving everyday that hate doesn’t sell. I work hard all day and have the bent back and scarred hands to prove it. I ask for nothing unless I can earn it and would give my last buck to a stranger. We’re everywhere. Go to a teaparty sometime. Meet us. Or continue to ridicule and deride someone you know absolutely nothing about. The MSM plays you like a violin. But it’s out of fear, make no mistake.
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    Michael J. Fox has Parkinson’s. No one can deny that. It’s very sad. But at the end of the day we know what the commercial was for. To advance a pro abortion agenda, nothing more. It had nothing to do with healing Parkinson’s. Adult stem cells are abundant, and have proven more succesful than embyonics, but they don’t benefit abortionists. The MSM duped you again. That’s the message Rush put forth. If his main goal was to make fun of a man with a debiltating illness, his audience would have dropped him like a rock, and I would have been the first one to go. But believe what you want. Tim Tebow’s mother has a commercial explaining how she chose life over “choice” and the results thereof. The pro-choice gang is having a fit. They obviously prove that pro-choice actually means pro abortion.
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    I’m computer illiterate. I can hunt and peck, and point and click, thats the extent of it. Must be the redneck in me. The links and the proof is there, you’ll have to do your own research, if you want to discredit Rush I’m sure you can find the propaganda to do so. The opposite info is available also. Oh the wonders of the imformation highway. I prefer to do it all with an open mind.
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    As for you diedandstinking, take a flying leap. You’re consumed by hatred for anything conservative, and I have no use for you. Perhaps apr is too, but at least she does seem to do it with a little more grace.

  • diecash1

    The fact that you’re self-admittedly ignorant, while true, is not my problem. It’s up to you to make up the ridiculous assertions that you make, not me or anyone else.
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    BTW, I’m not consumed with hate for anyone, conservative or otherwise. You’d do well to take a long, hard look in the mirror. I do, however, despise liars and idiots. When you and others post absolutely false statements and rhetoric, I’ll point that out and that’s what people like you hate the most. Try not to spew BS that you can’t support with facts and you’ll have far fewer problems.

  • diecash1

    “It’s up to you to make up “
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    Oops….should read: It’s up to you to back up….”

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    In the insult department you’re the udisputed champ, die. No way can I top that. Besides I have better things to do. You win the ribbon!

  • tharwatfawzi

    President Obama strength is clearly due to his strong moral conviction , backed by all Americans and all in the world who believe in the noble human values that all faiths and beliefs call for..

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Yet a new flavor of koolaid.

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