Fake Pimp Journalist Says No Bugging, Just Testing Senator’s Phones

Conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who faces charges with three others of entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, has a post up attacking the media for its reporting on his arrest arising from his visit to Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office. He also tries to explain what he was doing in Landrieu’s office in the first place, which he says did not involve any wiretapping, as several news sources, including the New Orleans Times Picayune originally reported. (A previous Swampland post linked to the Times Picayune story.)

It was all, he says, nothing more than “investigative journalism.” The real outrage, he argues, is not what he did, but how the media reported on his arrest.

His full statement after the jump.

The government has now confirmed what has always been clear:  No one tried to wiretap or bug Senator Landrieu’s office.  Nor did we try to cut or shut down her phone lines.  Reports to this effect over the past 48 hours are inaccurate and false.

As an investigative journalist, my goal is to expose corruption and lack of concern for citizens by government and other institutions, as I did last year when our investigations revealed the massive corruption and fraud perpetrated by ACORN.  For decades, investigative journalists have used a variety of tactics to try to dig out and reveal the truth.

I learned from a number of sources that many of Senator Landrieu’s constituents were having trouble getting through to her office to tell her that they didn’t want her taking millions of federal dollars in exchange for her vote on the healthcare bill.  When asked about this, Senator Landrieu’s explanation was that, “Our lines have been jammed for weeks.”  I decided to investigate why a representative of the people would be out of touch with her constituents for “weeks” because her phones were broken.  In investigating this matter, we decided to visit Senator Landrieu’s district office – the people’s office – to ask the staff if their phones were working.

On reflection, I could have used a different approach to this investigation, particularly given the sensitivities that people understandably have about security in a federal building.  The sole intent of our investigation was to determine whether or not Senator Landrieu was purposely trying to avoid constituents who were calling to register their views to her as their Senator.  We video taped the entire visit, the government has those tapes, and I’m eager for them to be released because they refute the false claims being repeated by much of the mainstream media.

It has been amazing to witness the journalistic malpractice committed by many of the organizations covering this story.  MSNBC falsely claimed that I violated a non-existent “gag order.”  The Associated Press incorrectly reported that I “broke in” to an office which is open to the public.  The Washington Post has now had to print corrections in two stories on me.  And these are just a few examples of inaccurate and false reporting.  The public will judge whether reporters who can’t get their facts straight have the credibility to question my integrity as a journalist.

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  • deconstructiva

    Is “conservative journalist” a tautology?
    Why didn’t O’Keefe simply call Mary on her cell phone and ask, “Can you hear me now?”

  • deckerfamily03

    to find out if her phones were working..he dresses other people up as phone repair guys and has a getaway driver parked? I’m waiting for hte rest of the story.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Clearly, the guy dressed up in the Pimp suit is the victim in this story. He should sue or something.

  • stuartzechman

    Keith Olbermann’s attempts to associate this episode with the Watergate break-in have been particularly vile, insulting and a disgrace to journalists’ obligations.
    .
    If you’d been watching MSNBC over the past few days, you would have been informed that the most likely explanation is an RNC-operative originating conspiracy to spy on or disrupt Democrats.
    .
    When it comes to some career liberals, the standard operating procedure seems to be to A) immediately assume the worst about your political enemies, B) stoke tribalism whenever possible, C) leave citizens with only enough information for them to draw the conclusions you’d like them to.
    .
    If the charge is ultimately trespassing on Federal property, or impersonating phone repair personnel, what’s really important about their crimes, besides the fact that at least some movement conservatives have the balls to take these kind of risks?
    .
    It’s incumbent on liberals to ask themselves “What if this were netroots people, and this were James Inhofe’s office? What if this were netroots people, and this were Mary Landrieu’s office? Would I be as outraged over that?“, isn’t it?

  • pafro

    What is your evidence that this guy is a journalist? I have never seen unedited footage of his so-called ACORN stings, and they are rife with quick editing and muted audio that are trademarks of a lying swindler and not a journalist. This continued criminal activity is just further evidence that this person is more G.Gordon Liddy than Woodward and Bernstein.

  • allthingsinaname

    apparently stuart sees nothing wrong with anyone breaking into a federal office to see if someones phone is working.
    .
    Perhaps stuart should ask what if it was your house, or my house, cause guess what stuart federal offices are my place, and your place.
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    You have been particularly full of yourself lately. Take a break.

  • artraveler

    So it is okay if conservatives break the law. Frankly, I think he should me charged witha felony and if he wants to be an “investigative reporter”, may be he first needs to learn to be a “reporter”.

    I think pimp is a very accurate description.

  • deconstructiva

    …or is “investigative journalism” supposed to be a tautology? (stenography claims often made here aside)

  • pintortwo

    Slow news day?
    .
    How about some Swamp coverage of the Dutch investigation that found the Iraq War to be illegal?
    - (link)
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    (cancel that European vacation Cheney)
    .
    Funny, I google-searched this investigation and found almost no coverage by mainstream US media.
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    Dutch_Iraq_War_Illegal search
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    Meanwhile, this huckster is getting play…
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    The liberal US media sure sucks at promoting anything important to liberals.

  • pafro

    The guy is one of the key employees of one of the key Republican operations in the country (Breitbart). If someone who was on salary from Think Progress as a “journalist” got caught trying to sabotage some Republican backbencher like Jim DeMint’s phones, I guarantee that the charges by the Republican operatives at Fox and Breitbart would self-immolate themselves with accusation of who was involved in the conspiracy.
    And best way to keep people from accusing you of bugging someone’s phones is to sta away from their damn phones.

  • bobcn1

    ‘It’s incumbent on liberals to ask themselves…’
    .
    Actually, it’s not incumbent on liberals to ask themselves anything. Liberals weren’t the ones breaking the law. Liberals have no reason to engage in critical self-examination every time a wingnut does something stupid.
    .
    On the other hand, the people that have been touting these clowns as the new face of journalism and have credulously promoted the propaganda videos they produced have some ‘splainin’ to do.

  • Matt

    Since when does a right-wing pseudo-journalist give a heck about a Democratic senator’s ability to answer phone calls from constituents? This is the silliest excuse for criminal activity in quite awhile.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • pintortwo

    PS.
    I strongly recommend reading Glenn Greenwald’s take (link)

  • Paul-no not that one

    “If the charge is ultimately trespassing on Federal property, or impersonating phone repair personnel, what’s really important about their crimes, besides the fact that at least some movement conservatives have the balls to take these kind of risks?”
    .
    Oh to be so pure that one can admire the “balls” it takes to break the law.
    .
    Honestly, that is almost a parody of an sz post.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    I disagree with your assessment of O’Keefe (and basically agree with the other responders here), I’d like to point out that it’s not even remotely just career liberals that “A) immediately assume the worst about your political enemies, B) stoke tribalism whenever possible, C) leave citizens with only enough information for them to draw the conclusions you’d like them to.” That’s the default reaction of, well, any partisan.

  • bobcn1

    ‘In investigating this matter, we decided to visit Senator Landrieu’s district office – the people’s office – to ask the staff if their phones were working.’
    .
    Sure they were. And then, disguised as phone repair men, they asked to be directed to the building’s phone closet. What part of the explaination does that fit into?

  • tjoyce994

    SZ, I have to confess, I immediately thought of Watergate when the story first broke. I also wondered if this was being done on behalf someone else, and, yes, republicans would be the likely party. But, if the break in had been in a republican office, I think I would still have thought of watergate, and wondered if this was done for the benefit of a democrat. I don’t think this is inconsistent.

  • freeinpa

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002895236_webmcdermott28.html

    Too bad he is not a Democratic Congressman. He would get away with a slap on the hand and a federal pension

  • spob

    Funny that this guy’s legal troubles are this interesting to the MSM.
    .
    A couple thoughts. First, WaPo has had to issue two corrections with respect to the coverage of this guy. That suggests more than an honest mistake, and you have to wonder if bias has played a role.
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    Second, what should this guy get. Looks like there is a lot less there than originally thought. Are his crimes even on a par with Sandy Berger’s?

  • stuartzechman

    forgottenlord:

    That’s the default reaction of, well, any partisan.

    You’re right, but I guess I expect better of liberals than to race to embrace obvious sensationalism.

  • queencersei

    Two words…Richard Nixon. A President can be held accountable for his nefarious actions while in office and the results of those actions can be found to be illegal. If Congress decides to investigate that is.

  • spob

    By the way, silence from the Swamp folks on Holder’s about face on the KSM terror trial in NYC.

  • stuartzechman

    PNNTO:

    Honestly, that is almost a parody of an sz post.

    LOL
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    I didn’t quite realize that there was such thing as “an sz post,” that’s a genuine complement, thank you.
    .
    I can do self-parody?
    .
    Maybe I should try to do self-parody, one of these days…?

  • stuartzechman

    tjoyce994:

    But, if the break in had been in a republican office, I think I would still have thought of watergate, and wondered if this was done for the benefit of a democrat. I don’t think this is inconsistent.

    Would KO have run segment after blaring, denouncing segment on it?
    .
    More importantly, would you have reacted in exactly the same way?

  • charlieromeobravo

    “Funny that this guy’s legal troubles are this interesting to the MSM.”

    Not that funny. He went out of his way to claim his big scoop with ACORN, as clownish as that was what with his ridiculous costume and all. He made himself a media figure. Now he tries… something… with Landrieu’s phones and gets arrested so people are watching. You can’t have it both ways. If he wants attention for his “victories” he should also expect that he’ll get attention for his gaffs. You can’t put the genie from the bottle.

    “That suggests more than an honest mistake, ”

    Why?

    “Second, what should this guy get. Looks like there is a lot less there than originally thought.”

    It looks like there are a lot of stories floating around and no one is really sure WHAT there is there yet. Luckily we have courts to sort this out. WE can speculate all we’d like about whether or not he’s headed to jail and for how long but it’s all just talk. No harm in that I guess. He invited it on himself when he made himself a public figure.

  • charlieromeobravo

    Has there been a post on Swampland about that? Here’s how it works:

    - A Swampland contributor posts on a given story.
    - We discuss it

    We don’t start the threads here, they do. If Klein or Tumulty post on the topic I’m sure there will be discussion.

    Sorry to spoil your little game…

  • CP in FL

    spoob, where is your outrage? I’m sure if this was a liberal that wore a disguise and broke into a Republican senator’s office you would be outraged. But, since it’s a slime ball from your side of the isle, he should get a pass.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    All the “journalists” at this site are liberal-leaning, but more importantly they’re establishment-leaning: they know that if they rock the boat and ask the wrong question they’ll end up in the Fargo bureau.
    .
    O’Keefe isn’t much of a journalist either, and only recently did I discover that back in March 2009 – before I knew who he was – I discussed yet another cheap O’Keefe stunt, pointing out how they could have had an impact if they’d done things the right way. See that link for what he did but more importantly what he could have done if he’d wanted to have an impact instead of just playing around. In fact, anyone could use that technique to promote their agenda in a smart way. The problem I’ve been having for almost three years is that few want to do things in a smart way.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Since he could turn it around and demonstrate to her constituents that she does not serve them and they would be better suited with a Republican Senator.

  • gysgt213

    “What if this were netroots people, and this were James Inhofe’s office? What if this were netroots people, and this were Mary Landrieu’s office? Would I be as outraged over that?”,
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    Stu-Let me ask you a question.
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    If this had been netroots do you think the liberal media along with Fox News would just be comparing this to Watergate? I willing to bet you the liberal media and Fox News would be comparing it to a terrorist event if it involved anyone even remotely associated with liberals. And this would be a 24/7 assault on anything liberal.
    .
    Now lets not forget what happen when this guy released doctor video tapes of his Acorn expolits. Acorn got defunded with the help of democrats. The liberal media still does not make note of the fact that the tapes were doctor nor that a judge ruled that defunded Acorn was an abuse of power and Fox News is pretty much silent. But the problem here is KO comparing this to Watergate and its liberals fault for not being better?

  • spob

    “Swamp folks” = KT, MS, et alia.
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    CP, hard to get worked up about this.

  • http://fourlegsrgood.wordpress.com fourlegsgood

    This guy is a buffoon. Why is he still talking? Perhaps the feds can add “making false statements to federal law enforcement” to his list of charges.

    Let me add that the reason Watergate immediately springs to mind is the republican’s long, well-documented history of dirty tricks.

    They don’t think it’s out of bounds to lie, cheat, bug, steal files or anything else they can dream up.

  • tjoyce994

    “Would KO have run segment after blaring, denouncing segment on it? More importantly, would you have reacted in exactly the same way?”
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    I can’t speak to Olbermann’s behavior, and I confess, it’s been a while since I’ve seen his show. As for myself, yes, the thought process would be the same. It would be difficult for people of a certain age not to reference watergate. And O’Keefe defines himself as a conservative. I don’t know that some republican put him up to this, and I’m not even saying that I think this is what happened. But, yes, there is a question in my mind. Had O’Keefe been a progressive reporter and done something this foolish, I would still wonder who stands to benefit. The logical answer would be a democrat.

  • grape_crush

    Honestly, that is almost a parody of an sz post.
    .
    It was nowhere near long enough…Got the ‘contrarian for the sake of being contrarian’ bit right, ‘tho.

  • southernbell49

    And I’m sure the MSM will bend over backwards to let this creepy guy get a free pass and not follow the story.

  • spob

    The issue, of course, is not whether he “deserves” the notoriety. He does, and he is a public figure. But the MSM attention to his hijinx here is a little odd.
    .
    And you fail to address the issue with WaPo’s errors–it sure smells like bias.

  • spob

    Do you really think this is a big deal? Certainly far less than Sandy Berger.

  • freeinpa

    Gee spob you want to compare O’Keefe to destroying classified documents to protect a felon Ex-Prez? It is a far greater crime if you are a conservative and not one of Washington’s Elite leftists that compromised the security if this country

    It took NYT 6 days for even a mention of the ACORN scandals and there have been more corrections issued already in one day with this story than actual stories on ACORN. So much for journalistic integrity and fact-checking. But why let that get in the way of trashing a conservative.

  • sacredh

    Is there a video of O’Keefe winking at the camera and saying “I’m just performing a public service don’t cha’ know”?

    He’s just laying the groundwork for his defense by appealing to the court of wingnut opinion.

    If Beck crys when reporting this story, will someone please slap that b!tch?

  • freeinpa

    Your expectations here are way too high. You expect the left to discuss substance when they can have “Obama the Year in Pictures” (I’m tearing up) or Fake Pimp Journalist or Osama on Global Warming.

    ==

    It has been a bad 2 week for the left. They are off licking their wounds. Massachusetts lost, more Global Warming hoaxes out, Moving Terror trials, HC down in flames, A temper-tantrum SOTU address and Holder refusing to comply Freedom of Information request over the Black Panther investigation.

    They need to hide

  • grape_crush

    And look at what a big deal right-wing kooks continue to make about Sandy Berger! This fake pimp kid screwing with a Senator’s phone lines must be important, if spoob is comparing him to Sandy Berger!

  • Ivy_B

    “making false statements to federal law enforcement”
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    That was what sent Martha Stewart to prison. Of course, O’Keefe will get a pass.
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    I am still irked about the way Congress fell all over themselves to defund ACORN. The news that the tape was doctored, ACORN has been found to have done no wrong has been hidden on the bottom page of section C 24 of most papers.

  • stuartzechman

    gysgt213:

    Stu-Let me ask you a question.

    OK, shoot.

    If this had been netroots do you think the liberal media along with Fox News would just be comparing this to Watergate? I willing to bet you the liberal media and Fox News would be comparing it to a terrorist event if it involved anyone even remotely associated with liberals. And this would be a 24/7 assault on anything liberal.

    I won’t take that bet, because I’ll probably lose.
    .
    Yes, you’re probably right, that’s probably what would happen. I’ll bet, given the perverse tabloidism of Fox, it would be even more of a tsunami of sensationalism.


    Now lets not forget what happen when this guy released doctor video tapes of his Acorn expolits. Acorn got defunded with the help of democrats. The liberal media still does not make note of the fact that the tapes were doctor nor that a judge ruled that defunded Acorn was an abuse of power and Fox News is pretty much silent.

    OK…I won’t forget that this guy is the political enemy of Democrats, and that the New Democrat wing of the party couldn’t wait to validate his sh*t.
    .
    …And I won’t wait for corrections to be forthcoming about his previous sensationalized stuff…


    But the problem here is KO comparing this to Watergate and its liberals fault for not being better?

    Well, we’ve got lots of problems, one of which being that KO fills his time slot –one of the very, very, very few time slots in which liberal perspectives can be heard on network television in prime time– with this tribal, sensationalist garbage and endless rolls of Carrie Prejean’s swimsuit competition walk.
    .
    It’s not enough that we get the precious time, Gunny, it’s that we’ve got to do better with it and expect better from it. Our greater political goals will tend to remain unfulfilled, if this is all we do with a platform we would have killed for two decades ago.

  • sacredh

    Ivy_B, O’Keefe said his previous work uncovered “massive fraud and corruption at ACORN”. Maybe that lie can be used against him too. Like many of his low-life ilk, he believes that the law doesn’t apply to him.

  • stuartzechman

    grape:


    It was nowhere near long enough…

    Did I mention that my other motto (besides “Relentlessly Polite(TM)” ) is “Proud Cup-Winner of The All-England Summarize Proust Competition”?


    Got the ‘contrarian for the sake of being contrarian’ bit right, ‘tho.

    No, no. I’m really offended by Keith F*cking Olbermann and his parade of sensationalized inanities these days.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Republicans believe in the small government. Conservatism, by definition, is to hold or even turn back the clocks. Republicans can get away with doing nothing, with always saying no, with always preventing the government from working because in their world view, the government should do about that much work.
    .
    Democrats believe in the government being able to solve people’s problems, but the problems of the day change constantly – right now, it’s the economy. Some day, it’ll be health care. Some day, it’ll be education. Some day, it’ll be deficits. Democrats benefit when the government is robust and able to find ways to most effectively help people. In the democrat world view, the government has to be able to act and, more importantly, act intelligently.
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    With exception to foreign policy, Democrats have to be 100X smarter than Republicans when explaining their policy to the world. There’s a thousand reasons to not do everything, a thousand risks to worry about, a thousand things that you might object to. Republicans benefit when the media focuses on those thousands of things. Democrats benefit when they focus on the 90% of their work that helps people.
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    Liberals need to be far more creative, far more thoughtful and far more willing to engage the public. When Olbermann or, really, any Liberal gets stuck playing the game of “what’s wrong with my opponent”, he’s slowing down government, and that still plays into Republicans strength. Liberals can’t waste their time playing the game. MSNBC can’t waste its time playing that game. We are losing the news war, anyone with a brain can see that, and it’s because we are playing the Republican’s game.

  • sacredh

    SZ, I can only imagine how you must feel about O’Reilly and Beck if Olberman provokes this kind of response. Beck and O’Reilly are always going off with sensationalized inanities. The difference between the liberals and the conservatives is that we call out our over-the-top personalities and quit watching them. They stock up on ammo and drive up the price of tea.

  • stuartzechman

    sacredh:

    I can only imagine how you must feel about O’Reilly and Beck if Olberman provokes this kind of response

    I watch O’Reilly for the teen stripper segments.

  • sevenoaks07

    This guy is just pathetic. At least he will stay with his folks who will make sure he has three squares until his trial. Do we expect Fox to cover this? Theme: the Establishment versus the Pimp?

  • sacredh

    OK. You get a cookie for making me laugh.

  • sacredh

    If he gets jail time, I suggest he start practicing his rectal stretching excercizes now. There’s no way he won’t get used like a cheap rental car.

  • spob

    I didnt know that prison rape was a joking matter to libs.

  • sacredh

    You do now.

  • freeinpa

    “That was what sent Martha Stewart to prison. Of course, O’Keefe will get a pass.”

    ====
    Like Bill Clinton did?

  • freeinpa


    sacreh

    I didnt know that prison rape was a joking matter to libs.
    You do now

    ==
    I expect some of this stuff from others here but its a surprise from you.

    A question though? So is jokes about gays, race and other liberal victim groups fair game? Or is degradation like this only the provence of the left?

  • sacredh

    freeinpa, there is no topic or group that I will not joke about. Political correctness is a curse upon society in my book. I even get a chuckle out of jokes and slams directed towards me. If something bad happens to someone I don’t like…it’s even better. If Rush or Beck ever gets hit by a truck, please skip my posts on the subject. You’ll be offended. The same with Cindy Sheehan or John Edwards. They’re bottom feeders and I have zero sympathy for them.

  • apr2563

    Sacred: Your comment is way out of line. Not funny.

    Stuart: Would I be outraged if this was done by some liberals? Yes. I would be outraged and embarrassed. Actually the charges are quite serious and if convicted constitute a felony.
    This is done in the grand tradition of Rove,Segretti, and Attwater. I wont excuse it. Dirty tricks are often not funny and hurt our democracy: phone jamming, circulating false election dates, etc.
    What O’Keefe did to Acorn was try to destroy an organiztion that is not perfect but does a lot of good work for the poor. By implying the actions of a few were the actions of all, he libeled a worthy organization.
    Of course, it fed into a narrative that caused FOX and other right wing media goons to froth at the mouth.
    Generalizing, O’Keefe reminds me of every Young Republican I have met. They are endoctrinated by their current heroes like Limbaugh, and a party that has specific training mechanisms to teach them the most base of politics. Better they should take their overheated patriotism and join the military and help all those boys and girls that are the real patriots. There answer on this proposal is they can contribute more by staying not joining and fighting the political wars. Sort of the Cheney defense.
    Well, at least he has been sent to his room and has to live with Mommy and Daddy for the time being.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: I’m not sure what you mean unless you’re referring to SZ’s comment on teen strippers and it wasn’t a joke. I don’t watch O’Reilly or Fox and had just assumed that teen strippers was a punch line. On the other hand, if the strippers were real and 18 or 19, I would still find it funny.

  • CP in FL

    sacredh, It’s hard to read your comments without laughing out loud at work. Keep them coming. But I think you might be hurting the troll’s feelings, they seem to be very sensitive to Mr. O’Keefe’s situation. To them it’s no joking matter that one of their…er… journalists got caught with his pants down.

  • apr2563

    Sacred: Prison rape by inmates and guards, particularly on young inmates, is a serious problem. Just as I would not joke about a woman being raped, I wouldn’t joke about the rape of inmates. Not being PC does not excuse taking lightly problems that profoundly effect individuals and society.
    I have a great ironic, kind of sick sense of humor. But, bottom line, rape is not funny. This is my liberal point of view.
    I agree with you on many things Sacred. This is not one.

  • grape_crush

    Or is degradation like this only the provence of the left?
    .
    Oh, no. See, the left, who are still in possesion of their own minds, will individually vary when it comes to what qualifies as offensive.
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    Not so much with the right-wingers, who tend towards groupthink and possess more of a herd mentality.
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    The conclusion is that while you will find many examples of an individual lefty being offensive, you will have a hard time applying a generalization like that to the whole group. Not so much with someone who tends toward authoritarianism, like a right-winger. They tend to share the same attitudes as the people leading them.

  • merelymyopinion

    I understand why the halloween pimp twit calls himself a “journalist.” Why does Michael Scherer call him that?

    And regarding misleading terminology, why is the press referring to this event as a “stunt”? A stunt is intended to draw attention to itself. Its purpose is self-publicity. This trespassing event was the opposite. These idiot amateurs meant to get away with it without being found out.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    sacredh wrote: “The difference between the liberals and the conservatives is that we call out our over-the-top personalities and quit watching them. They stock up on ammo and drive up the price of tea.”
    -
    The other big difference is that when a 23-year-old fake pimp posts doctored, illegally obtained videos of an organization online… the right-wing media drops everything to report it… and Congress passes an unconstitutional law within days.
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    When Olbermann says bad stuff about Bush Jr. or whoever else… absolutely nothing happens.
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    Now, I don’t watch Olbermann, so you could be right about how bad he is, Stuart. But even if so, your level of outrage is misplaced because there is no impact to his stuff. There is no comparison between Fox News, with its GOP operative CEO part of a web of publications pumping out pro-GOP propaganda 24/7 with daily memos on how its newsreaders should spin the news, and MSNBC, which has two or three liberal hosts on at night (an an ex-GOP congressman on for hours in the morning, with a sister network featuring luminaries like Donald Luskin, Larry Kudlow, and Jim Cramer). Intent, and impact on policy, and on viewership are light years apart (“for each Democrat who watches Fox News there are eighteen Republicans, and for every Republican who watches MSNBC there are six Democrats. link: http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2010/01/cable_news.php )
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    You are waging a pointless war.

  • apr2563

    Sacred: my comment may be in the wrong place but I think you know I was referring to your comment number 15.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: I would not joke about an innocent woman (or a man) being raped in prison. However, when someone as despicable as O’Keefe gets nailed…sorry, no sympathy. I’m a liberal, but I’m a bad liberal. When something bad happens to someone I don’t like, I enjoy it and laugh about it. A character flaw, but one I’m more than content to live with and enjoy. I thought Reagan was a traitor that should have been imprisoned for treason over the arms for hostages deal. I bought a cake when he died and had “Burn in Hell Ron” written on it. I celebrated with a party. Heartless? Cruel? Inapproprite? Yes. Yes. Yes. But that’s just me. I’m just not able to or even willing to pretend otherwise. Like everyone else, I do have a darkside. I’m just not smart enough to keep it hidden.

  • gysgt213

    Stu-Thanks so much for responding. And its not that I disagree with anything you said at all. Its just that this is so incredibly frustrating. I guess I’m at a lost for what progressives should do.

  • apr2563

    Sacred, we will just have to disagree. Whether a person is innocent or guilty, I don’t find rape a worthy punishment. Would you apply this to a young felon who was incarcerated for using drugs? I am opposed to the death penalty. After having someone very, very close to me murdered, my belief did not change. Somethings should not be condoned by a civilized society.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: I would not apply it to someone imprisoned for drug use, prostitution, tax evasion and a whole list of other offenses. I cannot, however, find it in myself to feel any remorse or regret when scum like O’Keefe has to pay the piper. I’m very much in favor of the death penalty. I used to be opposed to it. In my later years I starting asking myself how I would respond if my wife, sister or mother was raped and or murdered. My answer was that I would let justice take it’s course. IF they got to him first. If I got to him first, I’d be sent to prison because I would kill him with my bare hands and not regret it in the least. I’d also get creative on him. No easy choking him till he croaked, he would suffer and I’d make it last. (There’s a ready made insanity defense) I’m not all that civilized when it comes down to it.

  • sacredh

    This has been interesting and fun. I have to go now (out for dinner with the mrs). Have fun folks. Thanks for an engaging conversation.

    A note to would be rapists/murderers…behave yourselves. I’m into the whole revenge thing.

  • stuartzechman

    I’m really not into sensitivity being the prime determiner of value in speech, myself.
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    I think that, generally speaking, having the right idea is more important than saying the least offensive thing.

  • apr2563

    Sacred when my daughter was murdered by a serial killer in Spokane, I had no doubt in my mind at that moment that if I had him alone in a room, I would rip his heart out. My decision, my consequence.
    However, I did not want the state killing someone in my daughter’s name. This did not honor her or vindicate her death. This does not mean I forgive him. I am not that magnanimous.
    The man received over 400 years with no chance for release. He killed over 13 people. Also, this allowed for a chance that he might to confess to other killings. In another venue, where he was charged for killing 2 people, he was given the death penalty by a politically motivated PA. He has no reason now to possibly confess to more murders.
    Although DNA conclusively proved he was the killer, I still feel there are times when innocent people were sent to their death. Maintaining the death penalty just means that the possibility is still there.
    Also, when he is executed, I will not attain closure.
    Sorry to make this personal but that is my take on revenge.

  • pintortwo

    Funny that this guy’s legal troubles are this interesting to the MSM.
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    The media’s focus on his legal troubles hints of liberal bias? What did the media’s focus on his ACORN video mean? There was more coverage of the first stunt than the second. And much of the focus this time is on his statement.
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    Also, I don’t know if I can buy that WaPo’s corrections mean anything (except sloppiness). It’s possible, I guess, if it were another paper. But you’re not going to argue that WaPo is liberal, right? -the greatest collection of neoconservative writers and ideas this side of the Weekly Standard.
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    And what does Sandy Berger have to do with any of this?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Break in?…Break in?…BREAK IN?
    ~
    Sorry for the bout of verbal whiplash, but upon reading that it is possible to commit a “break in” by walking into a public office during visiting hours, I must say, I was taken aback.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: First, let me extend my sincerest condolences for your tragic loss. I can’t even imagine the pain and suffering you’re still going through. Second, let me say that you’re probably a better person than I am when it comes to the justice system and having faith in justice being carried out. I’m all for DNA evidence being used to free innocent people from prison and I would not want someone to be executed based on circumstantial or heresay evidence. In cases where there is indisputable evidence for brutal rapes or murders, they can’t be executed fast enough for me. To me, those people are a waste of human flesh and unworthy to be allowed to live.
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    I would rather see the cost of their incarceration be used to help the victims of crimes and the criminals’ organs be used to help a decent human being. I know that sounds draconian and I admit that it is. I value life and justice, but in my opinion, when a person commits heinous crimes he gives up all rights, even the right to live. I look at them as parasites and a drain on society. I’m sure we could sit down and talk about a hundred different things and agree on at least 90 of them, but this just isn’t one of them.
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    I’m somewhere to the left of Ghandi on most social issues but when thinking about the brutalities that man is capable of inflicting on his fellow man, I look at the perpetrators as rabid animals, not humans.

  • spob

    apr–very sorry for your loss.

  • textee

    Was it yesterday or the day before yesterday that Time magazine falsely alleged that O’Keefe had “bugged” and “wiretapped” Landrieu’s phone?

    Did I miss the retraction and apology from Time magazine for its false allegations?

  • apr2563

    Sacred: I still cannot agree with a system that has a chance of executing an innocent person by mistake. Also, it doesn’t prevent future murders. It is an expensive punishment to enforce.
    The greatest satisfaction I get from the killer’s punishment is that I know he is a sociopath that has no feeling for another human being. He can only feel empathy for himself. The man was a decorated career non-com in the military. He has lost all the self esteem that came with his career. He has lost his family (sadly he has a wife and 4 children). So, he has many years ahead of him to sit in isolation (they don’t let him in general population) and feel sorry for himself, the only person he cares about. It will be years before he is executed. Washington isn’t like Texas. As I said, I am not a saint. I haven’t forgiven him. But, I don’t want the memory of my daughter associated with his execution.

    spob thank you for your comment.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: As you said in a previous comment, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this particular topic. I admire your dedication to your principles even in the face of a personal tragedy. You have presented your position on this subject with passion and eloquence. I appreciate your engagement on this issue and look forward to future discourse. While we may be able to understand each other’s reasoning for our opinions on this, we’ll probably never be able to agree on it.

  • pintortwo

    Actually, MS wrote that the FBI alleges wiretapping. He later included O’Keefe’s statement in an update. I assume that we’ll soon learn if the FBI’s allegations are accurate.

  • pintortwo

    Like Bill Clinton did?
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    Clinton was impeached and publicly humiliated (deservedly so). Perhaps he should have been punished further (perhaps not), but he did not get a “free-pass”.
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    Probably like Bush/Cheney outing Valarie Plame or Reagan selling arms to Iran (or my link @ #6)– that’s a better example.

  • tiredrobot

    OK, let me try to figure this out. A group of young men gain access to a government building under false pretenses in order to access to the phone and data lines of a sitting US Senator.

    If these young men had middle eastern names would we be considering “enemy combatant” status?

    Would a GOP Senator consider this an act of attempted terrorism?

    Probably.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    This guy will get some kind of punishment. He broke the law. Exactly what he did is still under investigation but it’s obvious he did something illegal.
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    I think the deeper issue here though is what are Landrieu’s constituents thinking today? Are they outraged over what Okeefe did or are they thinking, “hmmm, I wonder if the phone lines really were jammed that day I tried to get in touch with her office”.
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    The seed has been planted, legally or illegally, and the liberal media is again in defense mode. They will scream for his head, but in reality, they’re hoping their outrage will draw focus away from what so many people are waking up to. Our politicians are out of touch with the people.” We the people” are demanding accoutability like never before. Okeefe, whatever consequences he faces, was succesful once again. The people are tired of being ingnored. That’s what will come out of all of this.

  • sacredh

    It would be an entirely different story if it was Michael Moore dressed up as a phone repairman and trying to pull off this stunt in a republican senator’s office. The right would be screaming for his head on a platter. Could you imagine the uproar if an ACORN employee tried to pull this off in Boehner’s office?
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    It doesn’t matter which party’s senator was the target. This is a potential felony and should be treated as such. If they let these guys off with just a slap on the wrist then no senator or congressman is going to be safe from this sort of political dirty trick.

  • sacredh

    SZ: I admire your abitlity to keep the discussion on an upper level. I usually read all of your posts even when they require me to make an investment of time. It just doesn’t work for me. I have the unfortunate tendency to just blurt out what I’m thinking without regard to considering whether it is offensive or not.
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    The only thing that I can say in my defense is that I seldom try to sugarcoat my opinions. Like everyone else, I have very strong feelings about most things. My expression of those opinions is the problem. It’s a weak mea culpa, but I doubt I could change it even if I wanted to.
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    I wish my wife would blog. She’s so blunt that she’d make me look like the pope.

  • judegirl

    Please MS please do not call this clown a journalist, his own lawyer is calling him a “prankster”. Yes, folks just four “kids” pulling college pranks….nothing to see here.

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