Gimmick or No, President Obama Still Has Big Deficit Problems And A Dysfunctional Debate

On February 26, 2009, President Obama declared “A New Era of Responsibility” when he released his 2010 budget. Except it wasn’t.

According to the president’s own bean counters’ calculations, the 2010 Obama budget left the U.S. economy with unsustainable deficits in the out-years, from roughly 2012 to 2019, even before the big boom in entitlement spending for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security begins to really take over. As Budget Director Peter Orszag said last fall at NYU, “Our current projections of 4 to 5 percent of GDP in budget deficits in the out-years are well above the fiscally sustainable level of roughly 3 percent.”

But that didn’t stop the president. In his same non-responsible budgetary declaration of responsibility, Obama increased some non-defense discretionary spending levels considerably. The Environmental Protection Agency, for instance, saw its budget go from $7.6 billion in 2009 to $10.5 billion, an increase of 37 percent. The Transportation Department went from $71.5 billion to $73.3 billion, a 3 percent increase. The Interior Department went from $11.1 billion to $12 billion, an 8 percent increase.

All of these increases took place in addition to the hundreds of billions of dollars in spending in the stimulus bill–the $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act–that went to fund many of these same sorts of priorities. Obama was sending a message here: In addition to historic government spending to save the economy, he also thought there were important long term programs–more law enforcement on Indian reservations, for example, or more environmental educations programs–that needed to be funded, even if he did not know how to pay for them.

One year later, Obama’s same beancounters have proposed a new approach. On the one hand, the White House wants to spend perhaps $75, $100 or $150 billion more on a new round of stimulus, which will be called a jobs program and will funnel huge amounts of money to priorities like clean energy. On the other hand, he wants to put in place a three-year freeze on most non-defense discretionary spending, which means most agencies will have to get by on what they have (and the increases Obama gave them last year).

This has infuriated many, mostly of the liberal variety. Joe, below, calls it a gimmick. Ezra Klein calls it a “white flag on the argument that the deficit must be understood as health reform problem rather than a taxes and spending program.” (I wonder if that flag was not waved months ago, when Democrats put forward a health care reform bill that proposed a substantial new entitlement, with only modest, unscorable, or not-neccesarily-deliverable savings attached.) Rachel Maddow, on MSNBC, acted on her show as if President Obama had just despoiled the grave site of John Maynard Keynes with bodily fluids of Barry Goldwater.

The first thing that must be said is, this is how it goes. Almost everyone agrees that we have a serious deficit problem. But if you propose tax increases to deal with it, conservatives react with fury. If you propose spending cuts, liberals hit the roof. If you take a run at the big entitlement programs that are driving the problem, you get run over by the special interests, who happen to be either rich industries, like the pharmaceutical trade groups, or people like your parents who vote and don’t want anyone to touch their Medicare and Social Security. So nothing changes.

Before we get consumed by ideological instincts, I think a few points need to be kept front and center:

1. There is no doubt that the spending freeze is symbolic and political. Non-defense discretionary, though a small part of the budget, represents a huge piece of the public outrage over government spending. But really, what is so wrong with that? Bureaucracies need pressure on their bottom lines. And Congress needs pressure as well. Ezra Klein, and Joe, argue that pressure won’t work, because Congress is too corrupt.

Congress can stick to the administration’s freeze but throws out the administration’s proposed cuts. The way this works is simple: The administration will target worthless programs, like agricultural subsidies, in order to preserve good programs. But the reason worthless programs live in budget after budget is they have powerful backers. And those backers will rush to Congress to protect their profits. You think Blanche Lincoln, who chairs the Senate Agricultural Committee and is behind in the polls for her 2010 reelection, is going to let her state’s subsidies get gored?

Now you’ve removed some of the cuts, but you still want to hit the overall target. So the cuts could get reapportioned to hit programs that lack powerful constituencies. Many of those programs help the poor.

That seems to me an awful lot like saying all hope is lost. Isn’t a ceiling on spending–even if symbolic and political–what is needed to get Congress to start behaving responsibly? Why not just go to war with the appropriators for their bad programs? The American people, maybe with the exception of Arkansas farmers, will stand with you.

Furthermore, if a gimmick buys you some much-needed political space to get another short-term stimulus bill through, so that people can get back to work quicker, is it really so bad?

2. The Maddow argument, that a three-year budget freeze amounts to a rejection of basic economics, is just wrong. From the beginning, Obama has worked on two different planes–pushing massive Keynsian stimulus and dealing with the regular government budgets. He has made it clear that he favors much more stimulus in 2010. The freeze does not undo that. As Jared Bernstein points out on the White House blog:

No one is arguing that we should take our foot off the accelerator today, when the economic recovery remains fragile and job growth has yet to return. In fact, you’ll hear from the President tomorrow night about measures we should undertake right away jumpstart job creation.   In his words and deeds, the President has made clear that recovery comes first.   But that doesn’t mean we should wait to start changing the same bad habits in Washington that left a $1.3 Trillion deficit on our doorstep when we entered office in January 2009, especially when we can do so without cutting back on our jobs agenda.

3. The problem of deficits is very real and still not solved. All this name calling and partisan bickering doesn’t move the ball, and the ball must be moved. If it is not moved, your interest rates–on everything from homes to credit cards–are going to start going up. You will eventually lose out. As economist Mark Zandi put it in an email to me today, the current proposals put forward by Obama are not enough to sooth international creditors once this economic turmoil ends. “The Administration will also have to demonstrate in its forthcoming budget that it has a clear and credible path to a sustainable long-term budget deficit. Interest rates won’t rise immediately without such a path, but they will move steadily higher as the economic recovery and borrowing in the rest of the economy gains traction.”

There are only two ways to demonstrate a clear and credible path: Increase receipts (that is taxes) or  decrease outlays (that is spending). Nothing else will do it, save a miraculous boom in the economy that swamps the Treasury with unexpected money.

The real question, it seems to me, is this one: What will it take for the ideological camps, and their campaign donors and interests, to agree that there is a greater good at play here? I don’t know the answer, but I know we are not there yet. When faced with almost any attempt to deal with the issue, everybody seems to run for the ideological hinterlands and cover their heads. Just look at what happened today, via the LA Times.

Despite growing public anger about the burgeoning federal deficit, the Senate today rejected a proposal to establish a commission to devise ways to cut spending and raise taxes — and to give the panel teeth by essentially forcing Congress to consider its recommendations.

The bipartisan amendment would have required Congress to vote on the deficit commission’s recommendations — up or down, without change — in an effort to prevent lawmakers from sidestepping politically difficult choices and cherry-picking easier but less effective measures.

So it goes.

Related Topics: debt, deficit, Ezra Klein, peter orszag, rachel maddow, Barack Obama, Budgets
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  • shepherdwong

    “But if you propose tax increases to deal with it, conservatives react with fury.”
    .
    As why should anyone give a flying fig about that? On practically every policy area you can name, “conservatives” has proven themselves measurably and irredeemably insane.

  • Ivy_B

    One reason for this may be what is happening with Japan. I heard that Japan’s deficit is 200% of their GDP. While ours isn’t that high, there seems to be some agreement that if we show some efforts to work on it, it will help us. I also heard about the Congressional vote on the commission. Although I think this was surely a vaunted bipartisan one, is Just Say No really a viable option for the next three years?

    Moody’s Investors Service lowered its rating for Japanese government bonds today and warned of a further downgrade if the nation’s beleaguered economy continues to deteriorate.

    Moody’s dropped Japan’s bond rating to Aa3 from Aa2, putting Japan into contention with Italy for the dubious distinction of being the industrialized nation with the worst government credit rating.

    The announcement follows downgrades last week by two other credit rating agencies, Standard & Poor’s Corp. and Fitch Ltd.

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    I know that you have limited space, but it’s even more and more complex than than what you’ve outlined here.
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    The fact that defense spending is spared the “wasteful spending” cleaver is insane, if the question really were about the deficit, right?
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    I mean, you’re making all kinds of noise about putting aside ideology, and being a good, objective reporter and all that, so let’s take a look at the hard numbers.
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    Politico reported two weeks ago ( link to Robert Gates meets defense industry heads ) that

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates hosted a meeting with the nation’s top defense company executives Wednesday, stressing the need for a closer partnership with them and pledging to work with the White House to secure steady growth in the Pentagon’s budgets over time, according to his spokesman.

    What were the numbers that reportedly may have been confirmed by this deal?

    the defense budget will swell from $636.3 billion to a request for $708 billion in the next fiscal year, plus an additional $33 billion to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Michael Scherer, that’s nearly three-quarters of a trillion dollars in one year!
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    When people, even the relatively uninformed (some of whom may or may not receive Time paychecks), speak of “gimmicks”, it’s not hard to see some validity in that charge, given that, by the time the “mini-freeze” takes effect, half the decade’s worth of its savings will have potentially have been replaced by over a hundred billion dollars in defense contracts for non-war DOD spending!
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    How can you justify tossing aside the consideration of a $708 billion spending glut on the DOD, an obvious addition to the deficit and then talk about analyzing this move in non-ideological terms?
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    What ideology prevents you from examining our options with respect to the deficit in light of next year’s $708 billion dollars in DOD spending, Michael Scherer?
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    This isn’t some lefty-righty thing, it’s about weird sacred cows in reporters’ minds that seem to surface every time these things are debated. If you were truly as objective as you advertise yourself as being, you’d have put all the big numbers up for us to see, entitlements and DOD, wouldn’t you? Why not enumerate them all, so that priorities can be debated, and the full situation can be recognized?
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    Just looking at the hard numbers, how do you explain leaving out any mention of $708 billion in one year in a responsible discussion of appropriate deficit spending and these developments?
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    So it goes, Michael Scherer, so it goes.

  • slaneyblack

    What will it take for the ideological camps, and their campaign donors and interests, to agree that there is a greater good at play here?
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    Any list of deficit reductions that doesn’t include the words “fighter jets” and “forward operating bases” can kiss my unemployed ass.

  • Ivy_B

    Stuart, you know that Democrats are even more afraid of being labeled soft on Defense than they are of being seen as not being bipartisan. /sarcasm

  • newfreedomblog

    Here is a very novel, as well as simplified action to take. Put a 12% cut into the entire budget. Everything is included. That puts us back to Bush II budget levels. Still very high so far as spending, but at least cuts the spending that has been put into place by President Obama.
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    A place to start. Then have a complete review of all budgets to look at waste, fraud and abuse. I am sure that would amount to an overall budget decrease of another 10%.
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    Simple, easy and one the tax payers of this country would resoundly agree with in my humble opinion.
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    If we do not do something and do it fast, we risk total collaspe of not only our economy, but all the economies of the world.
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    Oh, and if you get that much spending reduction, we can leave the Bush tax cuts in place to stimulate the economy. A Win/Win for everyone. Otherwise tell the “big Fat Cats in Washington” they will not get their tax cuts, and we will resume the pre-Bush taxes for the mega-rich.

  • stuartzechman

    I’m serious, Ivy, it’s not a political thing.
    .
    Scherer says

    Before we get consumed by ideological instincts, I think a few points need to be kept front and center:

    and then says

    The problem of deficits is very real and still not solved.

    and then says

    There are only two ways to demonstrate a clear and credible path: Increase receipts (that is taxes) or decrease outlays (that is spending). Nothing else will do it…

    and then asks

    The real question, it seems to me, is this one: What will it take for the ideological camps, and their campaign donors and interests, to agree that there is a greater good at play here?

    Fine, let’s ask the questions, let’s get serious about spending, even though what’s debated now is admittedly “symbolic” and somehow meant to exert “pressure” on “bureaucracies” and (laughably) “Congress”.
    .
    But when Scherer goes out of his way to mention these increases:


    The Environmental Protection Agency, for instance, saw its budget go from $7.6 billion in 2009 to $10.5 billion, an increase of 37 percent. The Transportation Department went from $71.5 billion to $73.3 billion, a 3 percent increase. The Interior Department went from $11.1 billion to $12 billion, an 8 percent increase.

    without mentioning that


    the defense budget will swell from $636.3 billion to a request for $708 billion in the next fiscal year

    which is an 11.27 % increase, how can this sort of line be taken seriously, when the debate is so artificially limited?
    .
    I know, I know, Scherer would say that he isn’t the one taking it off of the table, to which I would ask “What prevents you from talking about it? Censorship?
    .
    Also, he would say “Why don’t you want to talk about entitlements?“, to which I would reply “Bring it on.“, since I’ve been talking about Health Care Reform not fixing the Medicare-going-broke problem from day one.
    .
    How can he talk about a dysfunctional debate, and then have a conversation that assumes these sorts of premises, and removes the biggest numbers from sight?

  • shepherdwong

    “If it is not moved, your interest rates–on everything from homes to credit cards–are going to start going up.”
    .
    Hahahahahahahahaha! That would be a nice little threat if it didn’t sound like it was phoned in from planet Clueless. Still paying 9% on your revolving balances, Michael, or do you just pay cash for everything?

  • shepherdwong

    The discussion about raising marginal tax rates seems also to be conspicuously missing from the 1,300+-word essay on the “Big Deficit Problems And A Dysfunctional Debate”.

  • stuartzechman

    To be scrupulously, scrupulously fair, Scherer does mention “Increase receipts (that is taxes) or decrease outlays (that is spending).“…

  • shepherdwong

    Yeah, I read all five words about raising taxes.

  • Ivy_B

    Stuart, I know you are serious and you are right. I am just so weary with all this I just slid in a little snark.
    .
    The defense budget appalls me, There is no way the newly born deficit hawks can justify it, but it is another classic example of government pork. OMG there is a Lockheed (substitute General Dynamics, or any of many others) plant in my district. I don’t care what they make, we can’t discontinue that program. In fact, we must increase it.
    .
    I appreciate your point that MS went right into the meme of they must cut all those tough entitilements and slid by the biggest entitlement of all – the Defense Department.
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    You have more patience than I in trying to teach and explain.

  • shepherdwong

    Short conversation frequently had with my “conservative” friends:
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    Conservative: “These deficits are terrible…”
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    Me: “Then maybe we should raise taxes to pay for them.”
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    Conservative: “No, we should cut big government.”
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    Me: “Then you really don’t care about deficits, you just don’t want to pay for our government.”

  • bacotawordpress

    Thanks for this blog post. Until I read this I could not imagine what the Obama administration was trying to accomplish with a spending freeze in the middle of a recession.

  • artraveler

    One of the biggest entitlement programs is the Defense budget. Just look at the Pentagon’s plan to cut off one fighter and the Congressional decision that we need more of these planes to fight an enemy that doesn’t exist. The Defense budget needs a serious look and a plan to cut it by 10% a year for the next few years. We spend more annually than the rest of the world combined and that certainly doesn’t seem to stop some guys with a box cutter. There are too many members of Congress who need to start thinking as a representative of the American people, not the 120,000 people in their little piece of the world.

  • stuartzechman

    Voter: “These deficits are terrible…
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    Me: “Then maybe we should eliminate those wasteful tax cuts on those super-rich guys who gambled on AIG’s shenanigans.
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    Voter: “Well, we should cut big government first.
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    Me: “Sure, but let’s start with the part of big government that hands out huge subsidies to the big guys in the financial rackets and monster corporations like AT&T and GE, OK? Shouldn’t that be the first place we look to cut down?

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    i agree with all of you that defense spending, and more specifically wasteful defense spending, is a major issue that needs to be tackled. Not trying to duck it. The post was responding to other issues.

  • stuartzechman

    Thank you so much for reading, honestly considering and responding to commentary, Michael Scherer, it’s greatly appreciated.

  • pintortwo

    Thank you for acknowledging Michael.
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    Given that (link):
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    The U.S. spends almost as much on military spending as the entire rest of the world combined, and spends roughly six times more than the second-largest spender, China. Even as the U.S. sunk under increasingly crippling levels of debt over the last decade, defense spending rose steadily, sometimes precipitously. That explosion occurred even as overall military spending in the rest of the world decreased, thus expanding the already-vast gap between our expenditures and the world’s. As one “defense” spending watchdog group put it: “The US military budget was almost 29 times as large as the combined spending of the six ‘rogue’ states (Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) who spent $14.65 billion.
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    …military spending — all of which is discretionary — accounts for over 50% of discretionary government spending.

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    and that China flies our (older model) jet-fighters, meaning that we can cripple their airforce by refusing to sell them replacement parts, isn’t most of the military budget “wasteful”?

  • shepherdwong

    “…and that China flies our (older model) jet-fighters, meaning that we can cripple their airforce by refusing to sell them replacement parts, isn’t most of the military budget “wasteful”?”
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    Not for China. They get to lend us the money to fund our military empire in decline and build their 21st Century industrial state with the interest.

  • tanboontee

    The government needs the freeze, and the latest report of the deficit dropping below $ 1.5 trillion helps to strengthen the shrinking Treasury coffer.

    But would this “saving” be enough to run the ridiculously expensive wars?

    Think about it.

  • allthingsinaname

    “The bipartisan amendment would have required Congress to vote on the deficit commission’s recommendations — up or down, without change — in an effort to prevent lawmakers from sidestepping politically difficult choices and cherry-picking easier but less effective measures.”.

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    And I do not suppose then that you disagree with the supreme Courts decision to open the political process to big Corporations. Who do you suppose will be on the deficit commission, unelected by the voters, and who does the Constitution say is responsible for the Budget?
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    As for your entitlement, I’ve been paying for it for 47 years now. Talk about raising taxes, you are really talking about stealing my money when it comes to SS. Not a Tax, it is my investment.
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    Talk about ignorance. It is not an entitlement. It is mine period.
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    The sensable thing is to raise my taxes. Mist of us piss away more than it would take.

  • tharwatfawzi

    Again , President Obama has every right, speaking on behalf of all Americans who are able to know the facts, to lead the fight against those with little respect for the American moral values. We all pray that these facts will be soon revealed to the public.

  • cfukara

    ” .. Before we get consumed by ideological instincts, I think a few points need to be kept front and center ..”

    Of course no SOTU address today will be complete without reference to “rule of law”, “international community of nations”, “terrorism” and war.
    BTW, when we rationalize the war, we must be get consumed by (imperial) ideological instincts lest we venture to wonder what we mean by a “terrorist state” or “a rogue state wreaks, or sponsors acts of, terror that kill innocent people” or a “state that would kill its own citizens – extra-judicially”.

  • cfukara

    And talking about SOTU address and “Dysfunctional Debate” during the past year, how else would we fail to express our satisfaction with the disposition, or the lack thereof, in the cases of those guards and commanders – men and women – at the center of the atrocities at the Abu Ghraib, Baghram and Guantanamo concentration camps?

    Of course the condemnation of the deniers of WW2 holocaust in total disregard of existing irrefutable evidence was a high point during the past year. Don’t such deniers wish that the evidence was inaccessible or somehow didn’t exist!

    How about a warning to ALL the countries, their leaders and their citizens who may engage in, or authorize and fund research in and/or production of biological/chemical/nuclear WMDs – for whatever “rationalization”?

  • cfukara

    Read:
    “Don’t such deniers wish that the evidence was inaccessible or somehow rendered non-existent!”

  • cfukara

    > cf: What condemnation of the deniers of WW2 holocaust?

    How about this?

    For your next comment, I take the liberty to copy and add some links that may convince you that your concern is not that alien to our nature or MO:

    According to your thesis, the stigma attached to the names of the museum sites of WW2 atrocities in Europe can as well be blunted or sanitized by converting the sites into something benign, salutary or admirable – like a center for refugees from ethnic wars in Europe or Africa or a gentler minimum security prison or rehabilitation ceter or a nature preserve to be incorporated into adjoining non-stigmatized areas or a hospital for veterans ..

    There is another dimension to this: Do you wish to sponsor a museum commemorating the Sabra and Shatila massacre? Anyone?

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