Don’t Ask For Definite Details About Don’t Tell, The Dance Continues

If only it was all as simple as “Yes,” the word that Robert Gibbs offered last year, in response to a question about whether or not President Obama would end the policy of banning gays and lesbians from openly serving in the military. Ever since that one word, the answer White House has grown, into something more like, “Yes, but we need to get Congress to vote on the changes, and to do that we need the military brass to support the changes, and so far they have been mostly saying, ‘Wait a minute, we need time, we are fighting two wars,’ so something will happen but no one knows just when.”

Now the dance of Don’t Ask is again heating up. In a short span of a couple weeks, we have a blizzard of data points with arrows in all sorts of directions: 

–Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, who heads the Armed Services Committee, says Obama will mention Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell in his State of the Union address. It’s not yet clear what this means. There is a long tradition of Presidents mentioning things in the big speech to take the pressure off of actually doing something about them. If Obama sets a deadline, it might signal he is serious.

–The gay rights base, long one of the least satisfied liberal constituencies,  is continuing to agitate. A former Bill Clinton aide on this issue, Richard Socarides, in a recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, fires another shot, saying Obama may be emboldening Ugandan bigots and showing preference for terrorists over men who love other men:

What is especially troubling, however, is Mr. Obama’s oversensitivity to a dwindling minority of bigots on this issue. Hundreds of military careers have been destroyed on his watch for no valid reason. The country has been deprived of the talents of these service members and has wasted millions of dollars on their training.

Many wonder when their president will show the same kind of concern for the constitutional rights of gay American service members as he has for enemy combatants held at Guantanamo Bay. Many wonder what the administration’s willingness to treat gay Americans as second-class citizens says to Uganda and other countries that are considering laws that would subject gays to imprisonment and even death.

–The Joint Chiefs of Staff, not a group known to leak, is apparently fighting back, with a memo being leaked to the Associated Press from Admiral Mike Mullen’s legal counsel. “Now is not the time,” it reads. “The importance of winning the wars we are in, along with the stress on the force, our body of knowledge and the number of unknowns, demand that we act with deliberation.”

–The gay rights lobby has been leaking word of its own urgent “closed door” meetings to discuss the issue. As the Advocate reports,

Participants declined to discuss specific strategy with The Advocate but said they mulled over how LGBT leaders would proceed if the White House decided to make a strong push for repeal or, alternatively, if it took a pass on the issue this year.

One source said LGBT leaders had sent “strong signals” to the White House that they want repeal to happen this year and that there would be “repercussions” if it did not. The source would not say what form those repercussions might take.

Some attendees expressed guarded optimism during the meeting because many in the room had “been guaranteed that this is a priority for the president” — some by President Obama himself and others by some of his top advisers. But one source weighed that against the fact that health reform was also a top priority for the administration and its passage has not gone smoothly. “There’s an awful lot of distance between something a president says and actually making it come to light,” said the source.

–Polls show improving prospects for repeal. Per CNN,

A Gallup poll conducted in June of 2009 found that 69 percent of adult respondents favor allowing openly gay men and lesbian women to serve in the U.S. military, up six percentage points from November, 2004.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll conducted December 19-21 found that 81 percent of respondents believe openly gay people should be allowed to serve in the U.S. military, while 17 percent said they shouldn’t. That poll’s margin of error was plus-or-minus 3 percentage points.

–Meanwhile, it is not yet clear when exactly Levin will hold hearings on the issue–though he promises soon. Nor is it clear that the House will include Don’t Ask repeal in this year’s Defense Appropriations bill. Stay tuned.

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  • allthingsinaname

    Look across America. Who cares? I am sick of hearing about it.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    President gives speech. Everybody says he did a great job. Then nothing happens. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

  • Matt

    Obama has enough controversy on his hands without tackling this. The base will just have to deal with it.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • grape_crush

    …Admiral Mike Mullen’s legal counsel. “Now is not the time,” it reads. “The importance of winning the wars we are in, along with the stress on the force, our body of knowledge and the number of unknowns, demand that we act with deliberation.”

    Thought 1: They’ve had how many years to examine and deliberate this already?

    Thought 2: If all these things are important, why waste time prosecuting DADT ‘violators’ and losing the skills and personnel?

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  • rustyreturns

    When President Obama finishes answering to the Gay and Lesbian Community as to why Don’t Ask / Don’t Tell still remains un-answered for them. Perhaps for the rest of the citizens of the United States he could perhaps answer these questions as well.
    .
    (From a recent email I received).
    .

    “Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean President Obama, Sir. Um . . I know you’re busy, and important and stuff. I mean, running the country is very important and — ah — I hate to bother you, Sir. I will only take a minute. Ok, Sir?
    .
    See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering, Sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.
    .
    Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says, boy, she wishes she had digs like this, you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow!
    I saw something like that in a museum once.
    Oh, sorry Sir. I didn’t mean to get off the track.
    .
    So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island Sir? No? I didn’t think so…
    .
    Well, listen, anyway, I can’t seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be “Not released” or “Not available.” I’m sure it’s just an oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you tell me where these things are I have them written down here somewhere — oh wait. I’ll just read it to you.
    .
    Could you please help me find these things, Sir?

    1. Occidental College records — (Not released)
    2. Columbia College records — (Not released)
    3. Columbia Thesis paper — (“Not available”)
    4. Harvard College records — (Not released)
    5. Selective Service Registration — (Not released)
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
    6. Medical records — (Not released)
    7. Law practice client list — (Not released)
    8. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — (Not released)
    9. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — (Not released)
    10. Record of your baptism — (Not available)
    11. Why your wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? (Insurance Fraud?_
    12. Why your wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies only had one?
    13. Why were you getting “foreign student aid” as a college student?
    14. Which countries’ “passport” did you have when you visited Pakistan in 1981?
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

    Oh and one more thing Mr. President, I can’t seem to find any articles you published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago. Can you explain that to me, Sir?
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html
    .
    Oh, but hey — listen! I know you’re busy! If this is too much for you right now — I mean — tell you what. I’ll come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you’re busy. I’ll just let myself out. I’ll be back tomorrow.. And the day after. . ..
    .
    What’s that Mr. President? Who wants to know these things?
    .
    We the People of the United States of America ! You know, the ones that vote.”

    .

  • stuartzechman

    Nobody gives a crap about VRWC stuff, Rustydog.
    .
    People care about the United States descending into banana republic government, they care about the economy collapsing, they care about their kids having a chance at a better life than they’re having, they care about not going broke if/when somebody in their family gets sick, they care about their taxes going to waste, they care about available job opportunities besides enlisting, they care about their kids getting a good education, they care about the price of necessities.
    .
    Honestly, seriously, most folks wouldn’t lose their minds if DADT were repealed or left in place, but they also aren’t freaking out over VRWC nonsense like that, either.

  • rustyreturns

    Oh relax stuart, I just figured since don’t ask / don’t tell is now on the minds of our esteemed TIME.com journalists, then perhaps in a faint and far fetched world they might actually look at Obama’s record prior to be elected President. For the historical record of course.
    .
    Just in case they were not busy. Put them to some kind of use investigating, maybe it would help to investigate this and they can hone up those skills as reporters and journalists.
    .
    When they go off in these tangents, one would think the important issues you mention are not important in their minds.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    I would agree with you about folks are more concerned with other issues than Rusty lists. More to the point underlying those questions however, is that we know more about Brad and Angelina than someone we elected President.
    ==
    Knowing some of those would give better indications as to why we are heading to be a banana republic and the true character of that man. The press who would dumpster dive at an anthrax plant to dig up minute details on a conservative have passed into the background of a man becoming President (Other than the ones that fit their fairy tale.).

    ==
    Given the pressing problems we face it is natural to ask why DADT is in the top 100 things to consider right now.

  • formerlyjames

    There are people who care about the policy. They are those who are victims of a rabid religious based discrimination and persecution. Obama is not one of them and whether he says so or not (not obviously), the issue is not high on his agenda. As for the victims, I would suggest that they shift their fight from the outside of the military establishment to the inside.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    He won with over 50% of the vote. At that point, one must ask whether the question of eligibility is reasonable in a democracy where the voices of the people are pretty relevant.
    .
    BTW: While I’m not going to speak to the other items because I really don’t care, I always thought the best evidence that he was born in Hawaii was the fact that both of his parents were enrolled in the University of Hawaii the year prior to his birth and his father continued studies there the year after. It never made sense to me that they would go all the way to Kenya to have Obama in August when they still have to get an education back home.

  • apollyon07

    Who cares? I think all the men and women who have been kicked out of the military because of the way they were born care a lot. I think the men and women who are forced to hide who they really are care a lot.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for your responses, folks, I have read and will be considering them.

  • newfreedomblog

    Actually forgotten, if you want to get really technical, it isn’t a “democracy”, it is a Republic.

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