Pelosi: We Don’t Have The Votes For The Senate Bill

Is there a Plan B?

The big news today is that the Speaker has come pretty close to closing the door on the idea that the House pass the Senate version of the health care bill. Our colleague Sophia Yan was at her news conference, and reports:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said late this morning that she doesn’t “see the votes at this time” to plow the Senate version of the health care bill through the House. Some provisions – she named the Nebraska cornhusker kickback and the Cadillac tax – are “problematic” and “unpalatable,” Pelosi said. “In every meeting, there is nothing that would give me any thought that the bill could pass right now the way it is.”

Despite that, there is already one consensus: “We have to get a bill passed – we know that,” she said. “That is a predicate that we all subscribe to.” At this point, she aims to take a microscope to the issue. “Nothing is discarded. Everything is on the table,” she said. “We have to know what our possibilities are.”

Pelosi reminded that 60 votes in the Senate were never an “ironclad assumption,” when asked about Republican Senator-elect Scott Brown’s victory in Massachusetts, losing Senate Dems that coveted 60th vote to bypass a GOP filibuster. Members constantly had thoughts of “what if? [While] of course we would have preferred to win,” she said, “we were not without our preparation.”

Pelosi maintained, however, that President Obama’s top domestic initiative is not dead. Heath care reform is still “a very exciting initiative,” she said. “We will go forward.”

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  • deconstructiva

    KT, is the real “Plan B” (the pill) covered under HCR as part of the “pubic option”? (as I’ve teased Amy over HCR issues “down there” as she’s well covered). Just kidding (though it can be a serious q.). re: House vote, is Pelosi coordinating with Reid to pass the Sen. bill anyway and then immediately fix the kickback and CaddyshackTax thru reconciliation?
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    OT, can you or Amy post something on the SCOTUS corporate election funding ruling thingy so threads won’t be hijacked? And a “1000 words” tomorrow, please? Thanks, KT. Are you at Congress today? I think you’re onto a huge HCR infighting story here and I wish you the best on scooping everyone else.

  • spob

    OK, so what are some things that can be done to lower costs? Tort reform? Obama has talked about waste, fraud and abuse. Ending state mandates on “must cover” things, e.g., drug abuse.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Plan B: Move to Canada.

  • stuartzechman

    KT:
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    Thanks so much for reporting on this without resorting to anonymous sources in any way.
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    How refreshing!
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    Oh, Plan B you wanted to know about?

    Heath care reform is still “a very exciting initiative,” she said. “We will go forward.”

    Have you ever imagined a back-room deal that’s so immense, so corrupt, so impossible to bring into the light of democratic day that it’s the biggest blockbuster of interested-party back-room dealing of all time, sort of like the James Cameron production of kleptocratic conference reports?
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    That’s Plan B, KT.
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    You probably can’t tell us much about it when it happens, because it will expose your sources. Oh well, what we don’t know won’t hurt us, right?
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    …Right?

  • stuartzechman

    LOL

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    i’m about to write a post on how incremental reform doesn’t work.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Plan B: Don’t get sick.

  • stuartzechman

    KT:
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    Here’s Jonathan Gruber telling the nation that incremental reform does work, which is why (according to him) a bill that doesn’t control prices is just fine for now ( link to Reason magazine piece “More From the Buy Now, Pay Later Crowd”, 11/03/2009 )

    Here’s Gruber:
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    My view is, even if the bill did no cost control it would be an incredible thing for this country. But politically, it sets the stage for cost control in two senses. First, it puts in place all the things we can do now. It does comparative effectiveness and pilots and all the rest. But second, once you get coverage off the table, the conversation gets more focused on cost control.
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    … People say you can’t do coverage without cost control. I think it’s the opposite. You can’t do cost control before coverage.

    Any idea why Jonathan Gruber would comment on the politics of incremental health care reform, KT?
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    Any idea why he and so many others have been selling the notion of “we’ll fix it later” to liberal Democrats unhappy with the legislation?
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    It appears the respected economist Gruber disagrees with your political acumen, KT. I wonder why…?

  • trifecta55

    I am sure that due to the strict constructionists of the Supreme Court ruling for corporations today in campaign finance, that any bill coming out will be oh so much better.
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    Roberts, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, and Long Dong Silver I salute you!

  • afguy

    Cookie,
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    I think that’s my plan. Made up my mind a long time ago that, given my family history, I might as well tattoo “pre-existing condition” or “adverse genetic history” on my butt and go on with life.
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    Anything that comes out of the present process will happen way too slowly to benefit me anyway.
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    I was just remembering what life and the political climate was like when I was growing up. (Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, etc.) I honestly do not recognize this country right now, esp. at the leadership levels.
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    Those who believe that things are going to have to get worse before they get better have a point, IMHO.

  • stuartzechman

    Holy crap.
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    This can’t be happening ( link to TPMDC reporting from the White House ):
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    White House: Let’s Let ‘Dust Settle’ On Health Care
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    Rachel Slajda | January 21, 2010, 2:11PM
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    The White House will move health care reform to the back burner, in order to “let the dust settle” after Democrats lost their Senate super-majority.
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    Asked today if health care was on the back burner, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said, “The president believes it is the exact right thing to do. By giving this some time, by letting the dust settle, if you will, and looking for the best path forward.”
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    He said the administration wanted to give Congress time to figure out their next move. He also noted that President Obama “has a very full plate” with financial reform, the wars and other matters.
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    “As the majority leader and speaker continue to look to the best way forward, the president has a very full plate,” Gibbs said.

    Unbelievable.
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    Well, don’t we all (me especially) need to give some credit to Michael Scherer for adroitly figuring out how they would improve their response to legislative (and national) crises, just like the geniuses at the White House apparently have done?
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    …”move health care reform to the back burner“…?
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    Wow.
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    That’s leadership we can believe in.

  • kathy

    I’ve been avoiding the teevee. can’t take it. But I heard Blitzer yesterday ask if the Dems are now going to “cooperate with the Republicans.” Mind boggling. So will the democrats now lie down and allow themselves to be walked over since that’s what the Republicans want? They do. not. want. health care reform.

    And Pelosi saying that health care reform is still a “very exciting initiative” sounds like she’s trying to sell a used care.

  • gysgt213

    Health care is hard work. I think I heard that before. At any rate just like investigating and prosecuting for past crimes. Its too hard.

  • trifecta55

    Totally sure Wolf asked that question of the Republicans when the dems has 46 seats. Not.
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    It’s as if the MSM thinks we all have collective amnesia. Sadly, for the most part they are right.

  • Ivy_B

    On an earlier thread someone, perhaps kathy, quoted Jon Stewart speaking about the very full plate, “then get a bigger effin’ plate!”

  • pintortwo

    One Senate vote… and kablooey? I guess almost no one there really had their heart into it.
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    Pelosi should start over and announce that the Senate will broadcast the proceedings, in its entirety, on C-span. And put it on their website.

  • kathy

    Time to settle in with Canadian television. Almost always sane. Great place to watch the olympics always, and this year it’s in Canada. Tomorrow they’ve got a Haiti fundraiser while the US does too.

  • afguy

    Stuart,
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    I’m starting to feel that the system we have in place right now is going to have to fail on such a scale that no one is immune from the effects of the failure and no one can defend any of the practices or ideologies that got us here.

  • pintortwo

    …but how do they return all that money?

  • allthingsinaname

    Fat chance they will have the votes in Nov.
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    Obama just walking away. He just confirmed what has been said by the media and the GOP all along. He doesn’t have the stomach for leadership.
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    Is Obama taking on too much? I haven’t seen him take on anything yet.

  • square1

    Here’s Plan B:

    Obama, for the first time in half of a year, exists his undisclosed location, to make a public statement on reform:

    The American people have spoken regarding our nation’s health care crises. However, they have not spoken with a unified voice. Some have said they like their current plan and do not trust the government to provide health insurance. Some have said that they do not trust private insurers and do not want to be forced to buy their insurance policies. Others just want coverage but do not qualify for any policy because of pre-existing conditions. Still others like what they have but cannot afford the premiums.

    Over the past year, I have listened to these concerns and have worked with Congress to craft a solution that would please as many people as possible, as cheaply as possible. We passed a bill in each house of Congress to solve these problems. However, it appears that the current bills cannot be quickly reconciled in a fashion that is acceptable to a majority of Americans.

    I will not permit this legislation to die, but it will require more negotiation and hard work.

    In the meantime, I am immediately sending Congress draft legislation to allow any American citizen to buy into Medicare, as if it were a private insurance policy.

    Let me be clear. This will be entirely voluntary. Nobody is required to buy-in and there will be no penalty for refusing to buy-in.

    Let me also be clear about the costs to the taxpayer. This will be budget-neutral. Buy-in rates will be calculated to cover the additional costs of administering Medicare and providing medical care.

    “Medicare Buy-In” will have bi-annual enrollment periods to discourage people from waiting until they get sick or injured to sign up.

    This legislation will be short. It will be simple. And I expect a bill on my desk by March 1st. There is no excuse for denying Americans an option to purchase insurance coverage that will ultimately not cost the government a penny.

    I promise that this may not be the last health care reform bill to pass during my administration. But I promise that it will be the first.

  • stuartzechman

    From your lips to God’s ears, sqr1.

  • stuartzechman

    afguy:
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    I don’t even know what to say right now.
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    It’s a capitulation on such a grand, grotesque scale, it’s unimaginable.
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    I’ve never heard of or seen anything like this.
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    Big majority in House. Big majority in Senate. The White House.
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    Nothing moves.
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    I know that this is hyperbole, but the Vichy French are coming to mind.

  • tjoyce994

    “My view is, even if the bill did no cost control it would be an incredible thing for this country. But politically, it sets the stage for cost control in two senses.”
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    I’ve read that most countries that passed universal healthcare passed the plan first and figued out the financing later for the very reasons site.
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    I have to say I am really angy. The democrats had a super majority and a year to pass health care. There is no excuse for not getting this done.

  • tjoyce994

    “I’ve been avoiding the teevee. can’t take it. But I heard Blitzer yesterday ask if the Dems are now going to “cooperate with the Republicans.” Mind boggling. So will the democrats now lie down and allow themselves to be walked over since that’s what the Republicans want? ”
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    The democrats have been walked over for a year. The only thing left to do is to bend over. The other thing incorrect thing that the media and the republican talking head keep spouting is how Brown’s victory is a big win for the republicans. Brown didn’t run as a republican; he ran as a independent.
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    SMDH.

  • tjoyce994

    How is this different from the plan that Liberman refused to support? Neither he nor the Republicans could get behind this. What’s changed?
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    I am confused and angy.

  • tjoyce994

    How is this different from the plan that Liberman refused to support? Neither he nor the Republicans could get behind this. What’s changed?
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    I am confused and angry.

  • afguy

    stuart,
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    Any of this remind you of a football team “playing NOT to lose”?
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    As I heard one coach proclaim: “The only thing I’ve seen a prevent defense prevent was a victory.”
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    I think the leadership was playing not to lose – in Mass., health care reform, the list goes on.
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    And, even though Obama IS the Pres. and ultimately in charge, I still put a lot of the onus on Emanuel for being more interested in the legislative deal-making aspects than the actual product.
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    More than one person has observed that passing health care reform of some type seemed to be the goal, rather than passing GOOD HCR.

  • afguy

    If today’s presser with Volker and Summers is step one in Larry and/or Geitner being shown the door with a boot up their arse, then maybe there’s hope yet.
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    Maybe Obama can learn that he’s not being well served.
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    But, until a similar press conference occurs with someone being introduced and Rahm wearing a long face, I have my doubts. I have no doubt he told Obama that Mass. was in the bag, no matter how out-of-touch and inept Coakley was appearing.

  • apr2563
  • kbanginmotown

    @stuart: re: Vichy French.
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    While similar, the Vichy Govt never had any real power since it operated under Nazi control.
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    I tend to think of Reid and the Senate Dems as General McClellan and the Union Army in early years of the Civil War: always “outnumbered” and asking for more time, equipment and reinforcements. So much potential, but content to kick the can down the road…
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    Q: Who is the Dems’ General Grant?

  • apr2563

    I watched Obama’s nomination, election and inauguration with tears in my eyes. Electing a black man President was something I never expected in my life time. His agenda was a dream for someone who had lived through the GW Bush nightmare.
    Again, I have tears in my eyes. Not exaggerating. I will never vote Republican, but I couldn’t be more disappointed. Where is the leadership? Where is the compassion for the average voter?

  • afguy

    Health care is hard work. I think I heard that before. At any rate just like investigating and prosecuting for past crimes. Its too hard.
    .
    Yeah, putting a man on the moon in under a decade was such a walk in the park too. And we didn’t even know how we were going to do it. All we had was the will to get it done.
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    It’s amazing what you can’t get done if you really don’t want to do it. And never under-estimate the will of a Congress-critter NOT to get something done.

  • afguy

    Good comparison, kbang.

  • apr2563

    Add to my comment, where is the compassion for Democratic Senators and Representatives that went out on a shakey limb for Obama and had it cut off. Shame.

  • square1

    How is this different from the plan that Lieberman refused to support?
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    First, this bill wouldn’t have so many moving parts. It would be a lot easier to explain to the public and a lot harder for Lieberman and the GOP to oppose without looking ridiculous. The Dems really never held Lieberman’s feet to the fire on this issue.
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    Second, I wouldn’t hesitate to pass it via reconciliation. Meaning you don’t need Joementum and the Party of No.
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    Third, without any subsidies or any promise of universal coverage, there aren’t any accounting tricks necessary to make this look budget neutral. The biggest potential problem would be that the premiums wouldn’t be competitive with the private sector, for the reasons that KT explains in her other post.
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    BTW, I never thought that Obama really wanted a public option or wanted to fight the insurance lobby, so my suggestion is more of a hypothetical of what a Democratic politician could do to regain momentum and the moral high ground than a prescription for Obama specifically.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Awww. Let’s not get all wee-weed up.

  • apollyon07

    1st Amendment…it’s pretty important. Not surprised that the Supreme Court upholds yet another Constitutionally-guaranteed right by only one vote. I’m sure the pending Chicago gun case will be the same way.

  • tjoyce994

    square1, thank you for clarifying the difference between this plan and the prior one. One more question. Medicare should have lower admin costs than a private health insurance plan, and it is also not for profit. With these two considerations, why wouldn’t Medicare be cost competitive? This sounds like a viable solution for people who want to buy insurance but can’t due to pre-existing conditions.
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    I agree with you. Obama was never gung ho on the public option, and he is too pragmatic to want a fight with the insurance lobby.

  • http://shurashin.wordpress.com shurashin

    So he’s just giving up?
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    We’re supposed to take this consolation prize instead – “thanks for playing, better luck next time”?
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    The obstructionists win? The lobbyists win? And they’re going to profit from it by winning more seats, more power?
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    What about all those sick people who need help?
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    What about the folks dying beause their coverage got pulled out from under them when they needed it most?
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    Is this really the best we can do for them? Isn’t it worth fighting for?
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    I just can’t believe it. For the first time in a while, words cannot effectively convey my feelings.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks, that’s a better analogy.
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    Much, much better than mine.

  • anon76

    Speaking of wee-weed up 2thirds, you are a proud card-carrying member of the tea party goers. What’s your take on today’s Supreme Court decision? Great thing for freedom, or very bad thing for keeping corporatist politicians out of office?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    What corporate politician(s) might you be talking about?
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    B.O perhaps?

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