In the Arena

Mass. Murder

If Martha Coakley actually manages to lose the Senate race in Massachusetts, there will be all sorts of recriminations–but, I believe, one inescapable conclusion. People will say she was a lousy candidate who went to sleep after the primary, taking the general election for granted. True enough. Some will say that Scott Brown is an attractive guy who ran a smart campaign. Also true.

But the inescapable conclusion is that this campaign–now that it’s become a huge news story nationally (and also in Massachusetts, which should drive a big turnout)–is a referendum on President Obama’s health care reform bill…and the horrifically messy process that produced it. As readers know, I support the bill–it isn’t my ideal, the Ron Wyden plan was–because it achieves two important goals: it makes it impossible for insurers to deny coverage and it subsidizes those too poor to afford health care now. It also points the way to a more orderly and consumer-friendly future through the establishment of health care exchanges where individuals and small businesses will have the same market clout (and lower prices) that major corporations now enjoy.

This is good policy, but it now seems entirely possible that it was bad politics. It might have been better for the President to have paid more attention to the public skepticism about governmental activism and built trust by going after more popular demons–Wall Street, for one; Congressional profligacy, for another.

At the end of his presidency, Bill Clinton told me that he should have enacted welfare reform before trying health care. He needed to establish credibility as a good manager–at that point, most middle class voters considered the welfare system a worthless scam (and it was, as subsequent events showed, in desperate need of reform). Obama probably needed to do something similar…and he will, belatedly, do so this year, pushing for stricter financial regulations and a tax on big banks to recoup the bailouts. He should also revive his campaign pledge of a National Infrastructure Bank, which would take decisions about the most important new public works projects out of the hands of Congressional porkers. If Obama had done so in his first year, his approval ratings might be closer to 60% than to 50% today.

He chose instead to take on health care reform, a project of indisputable long-term value to the country. He has gotten farther than most experts considered possible. He has made embarrassing compromises in the process, but it’s likely he couldn’t have gotten to this point any other way. He has spent most of his political capital. And, if the Democrats lose the election in Massachusetts, Obama loses his veto-proof majority in the Senate…and if he does, his gamble will, most likely, have failed. This will say profound things about government’s ability to take on big projects in an atmosphere overwhelmed by special interests, Republican nihilism, media sensationalism and public apathy.

Massachusetts will be spun any number of creative ways, no matter how it turns out. But health care is, in the end, what this is all about.

Related Topics: Barack Obama, martha coakley, scott brown, Health Care
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  • gysgt213

    “Obama’s health care reform bill…and the horrifically messy process that produced it. As readers know, I support the bill–it isn’t my ideal.”
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    Joe- You and others in the media keep saying this Obama’s health care reform bill when it really isn’t even health care reform and Obama to my knowledge never actually weighed in and presented a clear vision to work from. And that’s the main reason in my opinion the bill is a mess.
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  • greenlyfe

    If the Democrats lose in MA the party is going to do health care reform through reconciliation I would wager and speed up financial reform. At this point, they can’t throw out a years worth of work. It’s going to get done.

    IMO, MA represents the apathy within the party. The majority of the country voted for the democratic agenda and the Republican party bet obstruction would pacify the base of the party and create apathy while the lack of results would piss off independents. They’re right. The Nihlism of the Republican party to date is a feature; not a bug. It’s to staunch the bleeding but they have already become irrelevant to the country. You can see that in the country’s continued distate of the party (Brown isn’t running as a Republican and neither did the gov. of VA).

    The President has two more years to turn this country around. It’s going to be hard. But whatever happens in MA, Obama will be fine. The problem will be for the party. And winning has it’s own set of issues IMO that haven’t been addressed.

  • greenlyfe

    The bill isn’t a mess. The bill became compromised when Baucus didn’t get his part done by the summer recess; so instead of selling a plan the Democrats were stuck selling an ambiguous idea. That was the fatal blow to health care. The president did his part; his mistake was not forcing Baucus to do his.

  • chupkar

    What gets me is all this reactionary voting is just going to put any Republican elected in the role of destined to fail anyway. The majority of voters sicken me for their fickleness. Independents in particular irritate me no end. Their “reaction” to “this isn’t what I wanted” even though 1) they never delineate *what* they want
    2) they seem to want everything *right now* and are unwilling to let process work
    3) they don’t seem to get that just voting in the other side is unlikely to get them anywhere near the goals they think they want achieved.

    I mean seriously, is recovery *really* going to go any quicker with a huge turnover? Politicians seems so ineffective and yet, I can’t entirely blame them (either side) when the voters don’t have their own ducks in a row so how can they know what their constituents really want or need?

  • spob

    Joe, don’t you mean filibuster-proof majority vice veto-proof majority?
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    I’d say there’s something else important going on in this race–it’s whether Mass. voters will tolerate a Senator who worked to perpetuate a known injustice. I’m talking about the Amirault case. I’m not shocked, Joe, that you’re not outraged by this.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    It’s funny to see the centrist led Democrat party surprised that the base isn’t coming out to support them, even when they are continually ignored.

    What a shock.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I suspect that because Obama knows he’s not the cartoon he’s been made out to be, he thought he’d be able to draw some Republican participation in crafting the bill. Certainly his pre-dealings with industry insiders suggests that he thought he’d have a broader mandate when it came time to craft the bill.

    Everything he’s done since has been damage control after the initial mistep of trusting any Republicans in the first place.

  • http://pballover.wordpress.com/ Brienne

    I agree with most of what you said, but in order to get healthcare reform through reconciliation, they’d basically have to start the process all over again. I don’t see the public having an appetite for that, so it’s do-or-die time.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    God, you’re just so mind-bogglingly wrong about this entire episode.
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    Don’t you ever get the slightest feeling that your ideology is failing to reasonably explain what goes on in the political world?
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    Don’t you ever consider the possibility that your perspective is warped and inadequate, and doesn’t really help you know what’s going on?
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    Don’t you think that a philosophy that requires you to studiously ignore phenomena in order for it to continue to make sense isn’t really up to the job of analysis in 2010?
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    Seriously, can’t you start the process of reevaluation soon, before you get to be completely out of touch with reality like Broder is?
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    Help yourself, Joe Klein, and use the brain God gave you to figure things out. Shed this worthless, absurd ideology to which you obstinately cling, and start to make sense of things in a new light. The Radical Middle is dead, Joe Klein. Open your eyes.

  • apr2563

    Joe: As usual, part of the problem is the press. They insist on citing the polls that show a majority of voters in MA are against health care reform. Not doing nuance, they fail to mention that most of those unhappy with hcr feel the current proposals do not go far enough in reform.
    Therefore, the press, like you, spreads the fallacy that most voters do not want any reform and like the status quo.

  • rustyreturns

    Perhaps instead of the heading for this post being ”Mass Murder”. It could read, “Continued Liberal Reporter Bias in the Media: How the Media distorts the truth”.
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    Let’s take a deeper look. Where is the bias you ask?

    ”Some will say that Scott Brown is an attractive guy who ran a smart campaign.”

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    Are you really serious Mr Klein? Attractive? I guess you could not find any views on the issues which Scott Brown’s position clearly believes to be completely in line with the majority of Americans on Health Care Reform? The same position which the majority of Americans feel that this specific bill is wrong for America? That the Congressmen and women in Washington, in particular the Democrats who have solely backed this bill is wrong, and the bill needs to be stopped and re-worked?
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    Joe Klein as usual throws out his opinion instead of simply reporting. He says…

    ”I support the bill…blah blah blah…because it achieves two important goals: it makes it impossible for insurers to deny coverage and it subsidizes those too poor to afford health care now. It also points the way to a more orderly and consumer-friendly future through the establishment of health care exchanges where individuals and small businesses will have the same market clout (and lower prices) that major corporations now enjoy.”

    .
    Did you know that Scott Brown also supports these same things, Joe Klein? Did you know that Republicans as a whole support these same things? But, the liberal bias is the implication that they don’t. Joe Klein and the rest of the liberal hounds from hell, all say the Republicans and any of their Representatives or candidates are saying no to all reform. A totally blatant LIE. A liberal biased implication.
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    Joe also says…

    ”This is good policy, but it now seems entirely possible that it was bad politics.”

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    Again Joe, you are wrong. The policy of health care reform is good politics. The specific bill is what is bad politics. Is that so hard to understand?
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    And, then Joe makes this brilliant deduction….a purely liberal, no let me rephrase that a purely SOCIALIST ideal.
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    ”Obama probably needed to do something similar…and he will, belatedly, do so this year, pushing for stricter financial regulations and a tax on big banks to recoup the bailouts. He should also revive his campaign pledge of a National Infrastructure Bank, which would take decisions about the most important new public works projects out of the hands of Congressional porkers. If Obama had done so in his first year, his approval ratings might be closer to 60% than to 50% today.”

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    And they wonder why the American people are becoming so outraged. So upset with this Administration over the radical changes that are being proposed. The changes that the liberal left with it’s mega-phone media are proposing. They are shouting ladies and gentlemen…..shouting as loud as they can AMERICA NEEDS SOCIALISM.
    Isn’t it enough that Obama has taken over the car industry, Joe? Isn’t it enough that it will take years and years for a recovery because of all the government involvement into our economy? When will liberals be satisfied? Will they only be satisfied until we are a carbon copy of Denmark? Or France? Or Germany? Or any of the neo-Socialist countries in Europe?
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    No Joe, this election is all about the direction that Liberal Democrats in Washington are attempting to take this country. Tuesday’s election will I predict show even from age-old Teddy Kennedy Democrat voters that even they are concerned.
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    Concerned so much they will vote against Martha Coakley, and put Scott Brown a Republican in the “PEOPLE’s SEAT”. The same People’s Seat that Teddy Kennedy sat in for over 40 years.

  • rustyreturns

    Do you also believe that Pigs Fly, gysgt?

  • stuartzechman

    What’s incredible is that the centrists expect voters to buy the line “we can only do what’s politically possible” after voting for change.
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    They don’t want to remember that the people who just voted did so in order to make things politically possible, and so might start to get the idea that “politically possible” is their euphemism for “what we always wanted to do.”
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    Centrists have never respected Democratic voters, though. That’s essentially the premise of this post, that we’re not really smart enough to know what’s good for us.
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    Pretty amazing how, after electing Barack Obama to office, we’re suddenly “apathetic”, isn’t it?
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    Centrists are so dishonest.

  • 53_3

    Stuff it, Rusty! If I were you, I’d just run like hell!
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    Commies and socialists and liberals oh my!
    Commies and socialists and liberals oh my!
    Commies and socialists and liberals oh my!
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    Ok, now that I’ve supplied one syllogism (1/10,000 of a horse-laugh), on to real stuff:
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    Obama’s problem is that he refused to abandon a failed policy. He banked too much on reaching out to moderates in the GOP but didn’t take into account the amount of fear the far right could instill in them, freezing those assets and making them unavailable.
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    He should have at least, even if he didn’t see it coming, is recognize it when it’s here.
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    In that, his previous experiences as a consensus-maker has worked against him as he has been too inflexible to break away from that mode. He should have already forced the GOP to spend the only bullet in it’s gun, and that’s the filibuster.
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    Any way this goes, either reconciliation or confrontation, had the GOP been forced to resort to it, and with all polls supporting HCR, the Dems could have ended it by now by sheer force of public opinion.
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    Had the Dems stuck to their guns, we would still have an exited base, and the GOP would have had to abandon the filibuster – to be effectively neutered for the remainder of Obama’s first term.
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    Yes, I’m making the assumption that the GOP would have failed, but I don’t think that that’s too farfetched an assumption. It would have been almost, after 50 to 100 days, to demonstrate that only the Dems are willing to do what America wants.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    As usual, the media will once again point fingers at what’s wrong with government, As if they play no role here. Please Joe stop with the second guessing because we both know that no matter what this guy does, the media will find something to pick at. I don’t care how much conservatives whine about liberal bias — that hasn’t existed, if it ever did in a really long time. You people have long ago lost all sense of proportionality. I just heard John King compare an intro from Olbermann about the president having to go from being focused on health care to being focused on Haiti to Limbaugh’s awful statement about pandering to light skinned blacks because they both mentioned politics — My God, how desperate do you have to be to think this is even remotely the same? But of course, since there is rarely anything as horrifically insensitive and indecent as the things that folks on the right say, you people just go ahead and conflate anything you can find for the sake of balance. If you want to find blame Joe look no further than your own editorial rooms where you and your friends decide how you frame the news. If it wasn’t for death panels entering the lexicon I doubt that the president’s credibility on health care would be at stake. Moreover, if the American people are too stupid to recognize propaganda perhaps that’s because of years of the media failing to educate them to the truth.

  • kbanginmotown

    Gunny: To be fair, Obama’s (any president’s, IMO) hands are tied to an extent when it comes to pressing forward complex, controversial legislation.
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    The instant that the president says, “I’d like to see X, Y, and Z in the bill,” 435 self-important peacocks spread their feathers and proclaim that “It’s the job of the legislature to determine what goes in the bill.” And now their cooperation is reduced by an order of magnitude.
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    Of course, when the president plays his hand close to the vest (publicly), and chooses to work behind the scenes as Obama has done, he is accused of “Not Providing Leadership” on this issue (i.e. not providing political cover).
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    It’s a lose-lose for the POTUS. He’s got to support the primadonnas.

  • stuartzechman

    Nonsense about socialism aside (Third Way New Democrats are socialists? LOL), Rustydog is correct about one thing:

    Did you know that Scott Brown also supports these same things, Joe Klein? Did you know that Republicans as a whole support these same things?

    This is true.
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    It’s also maybe why Baucus thought he could get Republcan votes.
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    Joe, in his dishonesty (or ignorance, whichever), doesn’t mention that the Republican proposal (which I actually read) would have enacted these very same prohibitions on rescission ( link to PDF PDF of Boehner’s plan that also prohibits insurers from denying coverage ):

    19 SEC. 104. PREVENTING UNJUST CANCELLATION OF INSURANCE COVERAGE.

    (a) CLARIFICATION REGARDING APPLICATION OF GUARANTEED RENEWABILITY OF INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.
    .
    —Section 2742 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300gg–42) is amended—in its heading, by inserting ‘‘, CONTINUATION IN FORCE, INCLUDING PROHIBITION OF RESCISSION,’’ after ‘‘GUARANTEED RENEWABILITY’’;

    Granted, there isn’t a pre-existing conditions exclusion, but that’s supposedly covered in a McCain-like “high risk pool State reinsurance program” plan, which is as silly and inadequate as a limited access (if you’re already covered, you can’t sign up) state-based Exchange.
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    Plus, by allowing guaranteed access to those “state reinsurance programs,” they can (as reasonably as Exchange proponents can) claim the following:

    [the Republican plan will] allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

    Sounds just like the state-based Exchanges in the Democrats’ plan, doesn’t it? It is.
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    The bipartisan-sponsored Wyden-Bennett bill is nowhere to be found on either party’s agenda. The ludicrous obsession with tort takes up most of the rest of the GOP bill. The idiotic Health Savings Accounts section provides another ideological distraction. And, the Republican’s bill doesn’t touch Medicare, and so doesn’t “save” quite as much money as the Democrats’, according to the CBO.
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    That said, these elements

    it makes it impossible for insurers to deny coverage and it subsidizes those too poor to afford health care now. It also points the way to a more orderly and consumer-friendly future through the establishment of health care exchanges where individuals and small businesses will have the same market clout (and lower prices) that major corporations now enjoy.

    are actually in the Republican plan.
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    What’s such a joke about this legislative process is that the Democrats could have started with regulatory prohibitions on care denial by insurers, and the bill would have been wildly popular…so popular because even the anti-regulation, anti-government interdiction Republican base is overwhelmingly in favor of these market controls, as reflected in the fact that even the GOP proposals contain them. Even a large percentage of ordinary Republicans support a public option, for God’s sake!
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    If the Democrats wanted to simply stop the most devastating and unfair practices insurers, and then go from there, they could have. It was “politically possible.”
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    It’s just not the New Democrats’ Third Way, however, and those are the Democrats in charge of the party. Joe supports New Democrats, so he’s unable to be honest about these facts.
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    Don’t take Rustydog’s compulsive ranting about “Socialists, Socialists” under every bed to mean that he isn’t telling the truth about what he does know about: that Republicans support regulations forbidding care denial by insurers.
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    We could have done much, much better than we have.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Stuart one of these decades they may figure out that sharing power with the Left will help keep them in power too. For now, they want it all, but they still expect us to support them.

  • freeinpa

    What a bunch of crap. Obama has indeed made himself a cartoon character. If he wanted any Republicans, he would have pressured the Democratic leadership mafia to include any one of the number of measures that the Repubs proposed that were voted down by party line. If he insisted that malpractice reform be included he could have had some Republican votes. He didn’t bother to man-up. First it was his bill then it was I don’t know what is in it and then I won’t sign it if it includes (pick one). In fact he would sign it if he had to sing Yankee Doodle Dandy while dancing with Congressman Joe Wilson.

    What happened was a President who would at one venue say this that and one other thing will not be in the bill, then he would set up a report your neighbor campaign when folks questioned his credibility because his promises were meaningless.

    What is going on is the folks of MA have had an up close and personal view of HC reform and they do not like it. Obama, Congress and the left have been and remain tone deaf and have maintained we know better. You all can keep telling yourselves that when the majority disappears.

    I have said and willl repeat; please, please please pass this nightmare HC bill using the reconciliation method. Democrats in office will become a trivia question.

  • apr2563


    Brown doubting whether President Obama mother was married when she had him.
    This was said in the context of a really stupid interview by all but Brown’s statement was just crass. I love the way he giggles.
    Beside the concern that Brown is a flip flopping tool, I am worried that he is another dim bulb that will be contributing to the ruin of our country.

  • bobcn1

    ‘But the inescapable conclusion is that this campaign … is a referendum on President Obama’s health care reform bill’

    Doesn’t that assumption ignore the fact that the Massachusetts voters — the ones who will be conducting this supposed HCR referendum — already have a health reform system in place in their state? Much of the reforms of the national HCR bill won’t affect Massachusetts.

  • forkedriverguy

    The problem with your premise is that you believe that the majority of Americans voted for the far left agenda of Obama. You are wrong. The far left “change” that Obama stands for is not what Americans wanted then and it is not what they want now. The left has incredible hubris. Every poll shows that Americans do NOT support the president’s agenda. Yet, you just keep plugging away at your lefty agenda. If some poor taxpayer objects to what is done you denigrate them. If the Democrats lose in Massachusetts it is not because Republicans are obstructionist – it is because we have seen what one party rule means in Washington and we don’t like it. We want a credible two party system that brings balance. We do not want your bigger government, higher taxes and fewer rights agenda.

  • http://stupidassnews.wordpress.com Robert Feeley
  • bobcn1

    That’s really low class.

  • forkedriverguy

    The Democrats want it both ways. They say that they have incorporated many Republican ideas into the health care bill and then say that the Republicans refuse to participate in the process. It cannot be both – either Republicans attempted to participate or they did not. The truth is that they – and the American people – have been locked out of health care negotiations and it has been done in back room dealings by a few high level Democrats. I won’t re-itterate Obama’s bald face lies about being “open” and “transparent”. The Democrats want to force an agenda on a nation that every poll shows does not want it. God, I pray that Republicans, independents and fiscally conservative Democrats will “obstruct” the crappy socialized medicine that the Democratic leadership is trying to shove down our throats. And, yet they wonder why they lost in VA and in NJ and why they may lose in MA. Let me be clear – Democrats are losing because they are not listening to their constituents.

  • apollyon07

    “”It’s the job of the legislature to determine what goes in the bill.”
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    Well, yeah. As per the Constitution.

  • FlownOver

    Don’t worry about it – count on it!

  • apollyon07

    The public did not vote for a far-left agenda, or even any agenda at all. It was a vote against Bush, Republicans, and bad government. Don’t fool yourself- this is a center-right country and it will be for the foreseeable future.

  • textee

    “Mass. Murder”?

    Give Time magazine credit for never forgetting Mary Jo’s death at the drunken hands of Ted Kennedy.

  • apollyon07

    Make NO mistake- the Democrats have no one but themselves to blame. They rode into office on the heels of a LANDSLIDE election, BOTH Congress and Presidency, have had a 60 vote majority for most of the time. Don’t even TRY to blame the R’s for your party’s failures on this one. I know it’s hard to politick when you don’t have GW to run against, but come on now.

  • spob

    53_3, pray tell, why isn’t Amirault a dealbreaker for Coakley? How can any lib support her, given her appalling actions in that case?

  • diecash1

    “What a bunch of crap.”
    ..
    What a apt description of your post and your selective memory.
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    “If he insisted that malpractice reform be included he could have had some Republican votes.”
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    You mean like when he and the Democratic Congress included $300 Billion in bogus tax cuts in the stimulus bill for ONE Republican vote? Yeah, that was totally worth it! I am constantly amazed that you wingers complain about the quid pro quo give to Landrieu and Nelson given the $300 billion that the Repubs extorted in the stimulus bill. He and the Dems could give Repubs whatever they want and still wouldn’t vote for it if Obama supported it. This has been demonstrated repeatedly.
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    “What is going on is the folks of MA have had an up close and personal view of HC reform and they do not like it.”
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    You mean Republican Mitt Romney’s health care plan don’t you? That was a Repub plan in Mass. and while it’s not what I would have voted for, the jury is still out on it.

  • kryptik1

    The Republicans are hardly blameless though. Yes, Dems shot themselves in the foot, a lot of it being the pandering to Blue Dogs to water down the legislation for extremely few returns in the end. But to pretend that Republicans didn’t influence the debate…two words.

    Death Panels.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think it’s more accurate to say that HCR has become a proxy for concerns about the economy. A bad economy makes it easier for the R’s to scare people about heatlh care. So this election is pretty much like all the others.

  • freeinpa

    diecash1:

    Another day older and dumber.

    “You mean like when he and the Democratic Congress included $300 Billion in bogus tax cuts in the stimulus bill for ONE Republican vote?”

    Bogus tax cuts? Do you mean they were not really tax cut? Other countries have recovered faster from the downturn than the US because they cut taxes. You can spew your nonsense but as no surprise you would be wrong. Taking money from taxpayers and handing it to political friends doesn’t fix any economy. Hence the Obama promise of the highest 8% unemployment has hit 10%.

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    “That was a Repub plan in Mass. ”

    Last I checked Romney was not King of Mass. but governor. Meaning it was passed by Demo legislatures. So are the Demos in Mass. stupid maybe or will Demos just vote to spend money regardless of what it does? A possibility as well.

    Unlike this nightmare which will be written and passed solely by Demos. When it fails and it will. It will be all on them. So please get your troll left friends to get it passed. It will be nice to have a one term president and Demo Congress thrown into the streets

  • apr2563

    The history of Republican campaigns has been the same since the days of McCarthy. SCARE PEOPLE.
    The Russians are coming; the Russians are coming!
    The Commies have infiltrated our government, schools,
    and our courts!
    The UN is trying to take over our country!
    Black people will take YOUR jobs and want to go to
    YOUR schools and live in YOUR neighborhoods!
    We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight
    them here!
    The media lies. They are liberal and socialistic!
    Activist courts will take away our Constitutional rights!
    Illegal immigrants will lead to crime, disease, jobless-
    ness!
    Death panels! Death panels!
    These and other paranoia arousing allegations have been made for decades.
    What do the Dems do to fight for the truth? They try to mollify the right and attempt bipartisanship by being centerists.
    FDR fought long and hard for his agenda.
    Harry Truman finally stood up to a “do nothing congress” and won reelection.
    The right went after Eisenhower, and in the end he warned of the military industrial complex.
    After some pushing, JFK stood up to the segregationists.
    LBJ’s Great Society was exceptional legislation. But he fell to the “fight them there” syndrome.
    Carter and Clinton took to heart the DLC message of compromise. It led to Carter being mocked and Clinton impeached.
    The American people will respond to the truth. You have to get past the media echo chamber and the fear mongering of the right.
    It can be done. But, it has to be a consistent, positive message. Take it to the people and they will come.

  • carotexas1

    Health care was high in polls until the Senate bill passed. The conservative Senators that dragged the bill down still do not know how they looked to the American public. They chose to ignore polls that said a strong Public Option that would give competition to the insurance companies and a safety net for even those workers that had insurance but might need it some day was popular.

  • freeinpa

    “But to pretend that Republicans didn’t influence the debate…two words.

    Death Panels”

    Influence the debate with who? The majority Democratic Congress? So what you are implying is that the Demos did not have any strength of conviction in what they were writing, they were afraid of their constituents or there may have been some truth to the inflammatory “death panel” characterization.

    The first two show the Democrats have little principles, the third is that despite the uproar America needs to be afraid of the lies the Democrats keep spouting about HC reform they continue to write in darkness while being extorted by wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC.

  • apr2563

    Free: If you will recall Romney happily signed the MA hcr. He did have veto power. In fact, he bragged about the reform until he left office and began running for President. As he did on a myriad of issues, he then flipped, tried to put the best face on his MA hcr signature, and then campaigned against significant reform.

  • freeinpa

    apr2563:

    And, of course, the Democrats only speak truth, honor and the American Way.

    Click your heels 3 times Dorothy, your not in Kansas or reality any more

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Obama knew what he was doing. The stakes could not have been higher. He took a massive gamble in tackling healthcare.

    He is a very intelligent man and I am sure he knew the ramifications of making such a difficult task a key initiative to usher in your first year of governance.

    The political terrain does not look great for now for Obama BUT he is after all a politician, and they know how to do the “come back from the edge of defeat dance”.

    The Healthcare system needed overhauling but like many other Obama supporters, I am wondering if it was not too high a cost to pursue it at the time that he did.
    Well, it is what it is and he has to move on from there.

    Hopefully, he has learned some political lessons and will now proceed with the dexterity emm I mean guile emm I mean trickery which goes with keeping the poll numbers up and getting the support of the public back on track again.

    Yes, he can? I certainly hope so!

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/technology-savvy-nigerian-criminals-are-the-greatest-threat-to-national-security/

  • apr2563

    Free: If you read the entire post, you know half of it was a critique of the Democrats. You chose a snarky response instead of addressing the issues.

  • apollyon07

    I’d rather have a tool than a person who ferociously fought to keep an innocent man in prison…for 18 years. How anyone can vote for her is mind-blowing to me.

  • apollyon07

    Amirault should be a deal breaker for anyone with a conscience. Unless you think he really was guilty, but that’s a different problem all together.

  • apollyon07

    kryptik1, I see what you mean but I also blame the Democrats on that because they clearly were not prepared for a strong opposition. The notion that the conservative party in a center-right country was going to roll over for the liberals is laughable.

  • formerlyjames

    Coakley may be the Mass. Sarah Palin. Out of touch, not a clue. The seat is not inherited. She may squeak by. If not, Scott Brown will be a scourge in the Senate. Bad news. Dems in Mass. might do better than waste Obama’s limited time on what should be easy seats. Politicians are pig idiots.

  • apollyon07
  • apollyon07

    apr, actually the commies had infiltrated our government. Also, many of the accusations McCarthy made ended up being proven true, albeit years later (see the Venona Project for more on this). Speaking of scaring people, look at the link I posted below.

  • formerlyjames

    Politicians are politicians. They all lie. It should be included in the dictionary definition. Dem and Repub alike. All the same. You cannot be elected without lying. Not possible. Be completely truthful, you lose to the liar.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Vote JOE KENNEDY!

  • apollyon07

    yeah but it’s usually not as egregious as this. I mean usually it’s one of those “taken out of context” or “half-truth” situations. This is a flat out lie. Interesting timing too- weekend before an election and MLK day, during which the courts will be closed so it cannot be challenged.
    .
    If I were Brown I would sue Coakley’s pants off for libel and defamation after this is all over. Win or lose.

  • apollyon07

    though I guess we could expect as much from someone who fought to keep an innocent man in prison for 18 years.

  • apollyon07
  • freeinpa

    apr2563

    So it was written by the Demos and Romney signed it an dnow the left wants to complain about it and him. And the Dumos wonder why the Repubs are now saying go ahead draft the bill and pass it.

    When it bankrupts this country they want to be able to say the Repubs did it too. Man up Sally.

  • diecash1

    McCarthy was a scumbag that used his “red scare” as a witch hunt to demonize his enemies and to stoke fear in the American public just as W, Cheney & Co. have done with 9/11.

  • formerlyjames

    appoly, I am opposed to locking up innocent people in prison. I would assume Coakley is as well, but not sure on that. Since you seem to know who is innocent and who is not, you should be appointed to the Mass. parole board. We wouldn’t then have any such unpleasantness as the Willy Horton controvercy to infringe on our nice, clean, honest political spectrum.

  • diecash1

    Yet another misnomer — that America is a center-right country. Bullsh*t. Hell, recent polling has shown that the majority of Americans don’t believe that the Dems went far enough with the health care bill.

  • diecash1

    How does an ignorant troglodyte such as yourself even find your way to a computer to spew such nonsense?
    ..
    The $300 Billion in tax cuts was bogus because it created virtually zero jobs and, after the Repubs screamed and stomped their feet for it, only one actually voted for the bill AFTER they got what they wanted. They’re a disingenuous bunch of cowards; they’ve never attempted to be the “loyal opposition.” They merely obstruct.
    ..
    Since the $300 billion in tax cuts did zero for job growth I can see how you would want to pass more tax cuts for yet even less job growth — typical fool, only spewing Repub dogma. W signed a $1.2 trillion tax cut that also led to great job growth didn’t it? Again, nope. Worst job growth under W since WWII. You should really attempt to educate yourself sometime…….another day older, forever stupid.

  • 53_3

    Maybe that is one of the reasons she’ll lose. I don’t know Massachusetts well and I think they could have found someone with less baggage.
    .
    Had to look up the case and yeah, I’m in agreement that she isn’t such a good candidate with baggage like that. Some aspects of the case are very odd indeed. These kind of things are very iffy but on the surface I’ll say it was indeed a miscarriage of justice.

  • 53_3

    Meant to put my reply here, but it’s at 24.

  • 53_3

    The problem with insane tools is that they are just that, appollyon07.
    .
    I see a number of conservative leaders lately who I’d label “most likely to commit atrocities if they had a free hand”.
    .
    Trouble is, there are no guarantees in this country and 1933 Germany could happen here.

  • 53_3

    I’m going to interpret this as saying “we should have put a tire on you when we had a chance”, I’d agree 100%.
    .
    It is our fault that we didn’t.
    .
    Regardless of this, I would say you aren’t too discriminating about the company you keep either, considering their conduct in the past week.
    .
    It’s really too bad that you give that foul brood a pass, but hell’s bells, it’s a free country.

  • 53_3

    There is no question that the GOP in the past 35 years have lowered the bar.
    .
    What sucks is that I have the choice between a liar and schizoid kooks who has no problem with compatriots who stoop at nothing to attack the dying, the impoverished, and the innocent.
    .
    Methinks I’ll pick the liar…

  • 53_3

    Oops, I don’t live in Massachusetts.
    .
    What a relief…

  • apollyon07

    formerlyjames- It’s funny that you mention the parole board, because they unanimously agreed that he should have been released. Guess who lobbied the governor to keep him in? I really cannot see how anyone can defend this. The man was clearly innocent. There was no substantial evidence against him. Just admit it.

  • 53_3

    Having seen a bit more of the opposition, spob and appolyon07, and the conduct of the conservative leaders in the past few days, I would have to go with Coakley.
    .
    She might not be the best there is out there, but anything that gives the foul company you to keep a leg up is to be avoided.
    .
    Hope you’ve been taking Rush Limbaughs’ advice…

  • apollyon07

    diecash, I don’t disagree that McCarthy was a bad guy. I was just pointing out that the notion that everyone, or even most of the people, that he accused was innocent is incorrect. Also, many Communists had in fact infiltrated our government at that time, as we now know.

  • apollyon07

    Fair point as always, 53_3. But see, Coakley has already shown that she is capable and willing to commit an atrocity. Brown has not shown that.
    .
    Re: 1933…I don’t see any particular party or ideology in this country that’s more likely to evolve into totalitarianism. Power is power.

  • apollyon07

    Read it and weep, diecash:
    .
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx
    .
    The key point on this is not the label, which admittedly can be superficial. It’s the issues.

  • apollyon07

    53_3: thanks for reading up on the case. I have a feeling that you and I are the only ones on here who have actually done that. I urge you to look at this situation objectively. Throw out all the noise makers on both sides, and look at the two candidates by themselves, and make a decision. I do have to take issue with you referring to me keeping “foul company”. I’m an independent that would probably be a Republican if it wasn’t for everything they did 2000-2008 and the incendiary rhetoric that they constantly push today. As such, I don’t consider any of them to be my company.
    .
    As to taking Rush Limbaugh’s advice, I’ll have to defer to you on what that actually is, because I don’t listen to his show. I refuse to listen to a show that perpetually causes controversy for ratings and attention, since I recognize that attention fuels the fire (a point lost on many, many people these days).

  • 53_3

    Actually, appollyon07 and spob, let me rephrase my feelings about this in a way that wont be interpreted as a personal attack.
    .
    1. I’m not happy about this case, but I don’t know enough about it to be able to definitively judge Coakley’s involvement in it. It looks bad though.
    .
    2. The problem I have is the opposition. When I see someone who is willing to resort to the same type of conduct that the leaders of the conservative movement and GOP (in regards to the scurrilous stuff about Obama), I wonder if he is the type who wouldn’t also go so far as Rush L. and Pat R. did (and are still doing).
    .
    3. The fundamental problem is in my opinion this:
    a. What has the GOP really done other than obstruct legislation and engage in faux-outrage on a weekly basis.
    b. Given the conduct of their leaders and spokesmen, should they really be given an opportunity to govern?
    .
    My answer is that 3a is “nothing else” and 3b is “absolutely not”. The reason why not is that even if I were to approve of good Republicans, they are so afraid of the far right that they will do it’s bidding even if they disagree, which is to be avoided at all costs in my opinion.
    .
    The reason being is that 1933 Germany comes to mind.
    .
    Sorry I turned it into a personal attack.

  • 53_3

    appollyon07, I’ve been a bit too reactionary, see my comment at 10.6.
    .
    I’m learning to approach this in a better way, and I have a ways to go…

  • diecash1

    The fact is that infiltration into our government is vastly less pervasive than suggested by McCarthy and Hoover. The important ones are often few and far between and they cause significant damage before they are found – ie Aldrich Ames, Robert Hansen, etc.
    ..
    My main problem is your contention that McCarthy was proven mostly true — not so. There may have been some Communists within our Government but 95% of it was nothing more than a witch hunt. The similarities between the “Red scare” and W yelling “terrorist!” after 9/11 are stunning.

  • freeinpa

    “President-elect Barack Obama’s economic stimulus package will include hundreds of billions of dollars worth of tax breaks for individuals and businesses, according to a transition official and Democratic aides.

    Obama is asking that tax cuts make up 40% of a stimulus package, the officials say. The measure may be worth as much as $775 billion, a Democratic aide says, meaning tax cuts may constitute more than $300 billion of the legislation.”

    Jan 5 2009 LA Times

    Keep up th ename callin gidiot. Your stupidity is on display for all to see.

  • 53_3

    I will say this, on the issue of likelihood of becoming totalitarian:
    .
    With people like those in the Tea Party, and the conduct of the GOP over the past 35 years, most pogroms and takeovers are born of activities similar to those the leaders of the conservative movement have been engaging in.
    .
    I honestly do not think that America is foolproof, and I think 1933 Germany is an apt example, as they had their start in similar fashion. God did not guarantee that our nation would avoid the pitfalls that other nations have fell into. In 1933 Germany, the Nazis won by popular vote. They achieved this by taking advantage of the poor economic conditions at the time, and they used similar tactics.
    .
    A trip to the library will give some insight on this. Goebbels, the propagandist would be an interesting read. You can draw parallels easily if you have knowledge of what people like Rush and Pat were saying.
    .
    I have an extreme reluctance to give these people any type of power, as, in my opinion, they are the kind that given the chance, they would not hesitate to attempt despotic solutions.

  • 53_3

    Going to walk this back appollyon07.
    .
    There are better ways of doing this. See 12.8 and 10.6

  • 53_3

    On the subject of center-right I think that we are, regionally speaking, center-right in the interior but center-left on the coasts.
    .
    That’s probably a bit better way of looking at it.

  • 53_3

    As a weak attempt at humor, do you suppose given the habitats liberals frequently are found in vs those of conservatives, that eventually they will diverge into separate species, one being aquatic and the other terrestrial?
    .
    Let’s wait about 10,000,000 years and see…

  • apollyon07

    I see what you mean now. I disagree with your overall idea of keeping any Republican out (if that’s what you meant), since I typically vote based purely on ideology and the type of candidate involved. To me though, Coakley’s conduct in the Amirault case over-rides anything that Brown did (within reason).
    .
    I didn’t take it as a personal attack, so no worries. I never really viewed your comments as reactionary, but thanks for the explanation anyway.

  • formerlyjames

    apolly, I do admit ignorance of the case you cite. I was just trying to make a point about political tactics, al la the Willie Horton case, of which I also plead some ignorance. You win.

  • apollyon07

    hey man it’s not about winning or losing for me (especially on the Internet). I see the point you were trying to make. If you’ve got time, here’s two links about the case:
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amirault
    .
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB108328121782598112.html

  • apollyon07

    diecash- I’m not sure if most of it was true or not (I didn’t say that), because the Soviets were so good at espionage that we’ll likely never know on many of them. Several of those people were spies though. Not necessarily just the McCarthy ones, but the level of infiltration into our government back then was significant.
    .
    Some examples:
    .
    Alger Hiss- Assistant Secy. of State
    .
    Harry Dexter White- Assistant Secy. of Treasury
    .
    Lauchlin Currie- Assistant to FDR
    .
    Harry Hopkins- Special advisor to FDR
    .
    All of these and many, many more have been subsequently confirmed as Soviet spies, through declassified evidence, most notably the formerly top-secret Venona Project.
    .
    Whew, sorry for the lengthy response on an OT discussion, history just gets me all excited like this.

  • apollyon07

    here’s another good article that explains this, diecash:
    .
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602
    .
    Democrats currently crush Republicans in party ID. Conservatives currently crush liberals in ideology ID. Neither situation is good to be in, but I’ll take ideology over party loyalty any day of the week.
    .
    53_3: that’s a good point, regionally there is a large degree of variance. I really think that most Americans are libertarians (socially liberal/economically conservative) but that they just don’t realize it.
    .
    Re: your joke- If that happens, then I might have to move out to a coast! Because being aquatic would be SO much cooler than being terrestrial. Oregon always seemed nice to me…we’ll see.

  • apr2563

    Coakley may have mishandled the case you write about. If so it was certainly a wrong done to the man and an immoral decision on her part.
    However, I can never support a candidate for the Republican party that does not denounce torture. To me that is the ultimate immorality.
    As I have done most of my life, I vote for those are closest to my ideology. I voted once for a Republican for the Senate. Big mistake. He turned out to be an conservative clone.
    In the days when the Republicans still allowed centerists and liberals to be part of their party, there were many I admired.
    Brooks, Percy, Rockefeller, Javits and others represented their constituents and the party hadn’t instituted their purity test yet.

  • apr2563

    No where did I say that there were not communist spies in our government. Spies are always something we have to be wary of.
    I will disagree with your accusations against Harry Hopkins. He was a close advisor of FDR, helped set up many of the depression work projects. He also assisted in the Lend Lease program for England and Russia. He consulted with the Russians but he never gave away knowledge that wasn’t approved by our government.
    That was the problem. McCarthy waved his lists and accused so many of Communism it had no meaning. He also destroyed any chance we had of dealing with post war China by driving out all our China experts. He encouraged HUAC and black lists. Not a good guy in my book.
    I was a child in the 50s but I remember the Army McCarthy hearings, I remember the constant drum of fear, bomb shelters, loyalty oaths having to be taken by teachers, floride was poisoning us. The irrationality was constant. Much like today.
    The Republicans use fear as their MO for getting votes.

  • diecash1

    apollyon07 –
    ..
    See here:
    ..
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/halpin-teixeria-progressive-study/
    ..
    Fairly even split shown here.

  • 53_3

    appollyon07:
    .
    With the more than adequate demonstration of party unity in the GOP despite the infighting between moderates and the far right, and the fact that the moderates now hew to their bidding, I feel I am compelled to come to that conclusion.
    .
    With the modern GOP’s founder, and it’s kingmaker acting in such heinous fashion, I question the wisdom of letting the GOP, in it’s current form, assume power.
    .
    I am an independent thinker despite appearances, appollyon, I don’t have a regular religion, but I believe in God, and I don’t hew to ideologies as they are no better. Ideologies are too inflexible to accommodate the events in this complex world, because nearly every one has flaws that fail the human condition. If I saw the Dems presenting the same threat to humanity, I wouldn’t stay here on this side of the aisle.
    .
    For example, libertarianism, though honest in it’s form, would result in horrific results in an economic collapse. Even in good times, Dickensian practices loom large. Not my cup of tay, with such great opportunity for hypocrisy*.
    .
    The GOPs “ideology” is something I’m not even sure exists. Which ideology? The far right? If so, that direction points at Germany 1933. The moderate position? More reasonable and flexible. I could live with that, but that’s not what I see being bandied around.
    .
    A major flaw in their ideology, directed at income redistribution, would hammer rural areas with a vengeance if they were scrapped. This would invite yet a different hypocricy* in that they could scrap everyone elses’ income redistribution except theirs.
    .
    *hypocrisy in the from of violating the ideology’s own form, but ignored for expediency’s sake. Purists would let them happen anyway, regardless of the social costs. The far right has a lot of purists and they right now can make it stick. This creates an unenviable situation in which a hypocrite, as described here, is much preferable to an ideological purist!

  • 53_3

    [reposted from 10.8, a response to appollyon07]
    .
    With the more than adequate demonstration of party unity in the GOP despite the infighting between moderates and the far right, and the fact that the moderates now hew to their bidding, I feel I am compelled to come to the conclusion the far right holds the cards.
    .
    With the modern GOP’s founder, and it’s kingmaker, along with many of lesser spokesmen acting in such heinous fashion lately (and this isn’t the first time!), I question the wisdom of letting the GOP, in it’s current form, assume power.
    .
    I am an independent thinker despite appearances. I don’t have a regular religion, but I believe in God, and I don’t hew to ideologies as they are no better. Ideologies are too inflexible to accommodate the events in this complex world, because nearly every one has flaws that fail the human condition. If I saw the Dems presenting the same threat to humanity, I wouldn’t stay here on this side of the aisle.
    .
    For example, libertarianism, though honest in it’s form, would result in horrific results in an economic collapse. Even in good times, Dickensian practices would loom large. Bhopal is in-bounds. Not my cup of tay, with such great opportunity for hypocrisy*.
    .
    The GOPs “ideology” is something I’m not even sure exists. Which ideology? The far right? If so, that direction points at Germany 1933. The moderate position? More reasonable and flexible. I could live with that, but that’s not what I see being bandied around.
    .
    A major flaw in their ideology, directed at income redistribution, would hammer rural areas with a vengeance if they were scrapped. This would invite yet a different sort of hypocricy* in that they could scrap everyone elses’ income redistribution except the single largest – rural subsidies.
    .
    *hypocrisy in the from of violating the ideology’s own form, but ignored for expediency’s sake. Purists would let them happen anyway, regardless of the social costs. The far right has a lot of purists and they right now can make it stick. This creates an unenviable situation in which a hypocrite, as described here, is much preferable to an ideological purist!

  • 53_3

    appollyon07:
    .
    I think, considering, the statement that Coakley is willing to commit an atrocity is more or less absolutist thinking. I did read the case, and understand it to an extent, but I don’t know everything about it, or even enough to say more than that it looks bad for Coakley.
    .
    Her motives may be honest, but misinformed, I can’t say for sure, or maybe she became invested in her decision. It is also possible that there are other things I didn’t read about or overlooked that made it a viable case.
    .
    Problem is, one cannot say the same about the conduct of the GOP’s founder, it’s kingmaker, and the numerous lesser right wing spokespeople. The reasoning is holistic, and I am not trying to re-inject irrelevancy by bringing up their conduct.
    .
    Their conduct is entirely consistent with the conduct of the brownshirts and their spokesmen in Germany, 1933 – and – this isn’t the first time.

  • 53_3

    apollyon07:
    .
    I divide the fiscal onto two categories, commercial and government.
    .
    I agree they are social liberals, and conservative fiscally as far as government is concerned, but I think the country is split on the commercial aspects.
    .
    I say so because many don’t like the commercial abuses, yet an equal number worry about the effect of too much regulation and business taxation on jobs.
    .
    I point to the Do Not Call lists on one side and the fact that there is a pushback on some of the more egregious taxation schemes (Tanning salons, Cadillac plans?!?!) proposed on the funding side of HCR. Despite the GOP blanket pushback, 70% of Americans still want meaningful reform, and not BAU.

  • diecash1

    apollyon07 — This is an interesting snippet from the current revisionist history movement in Texas “education”:
    ..
    “Venona Papers” refers to decrypted Soviet intel messages, the significance of which is the subject of longtime debate. McLeroy previously told curriculum writers that McCarthy had been “basically vindicated.” As liberal watchdog group Texas Freedom Network points out, Emory University professor and Venona expert Harvey Klehr, who has argued that McCarthy was right about “some of the large issues,” said in a 2005 speech, “Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence.”
    ..
    This was merely a minor element in the story but you can see the source article here:
    ..
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/conservative_vision_ascendant_in_latest_texas_hist.php?ref=fbfp

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    .
    Socialism is a community of people pooling thier resources to serve the common good.
    .
    In the olden times a village working together to dig a well that everybody got thier water from was a Socialist endeavor.
    .
    Now our communities are larger. Now we pool our resources to build roads, provide a police force and military, maintain schools for our children and many other things.
    .
    Yes that is right. When you last drove on a road, that was a SOCIALIST ROAD. If you went to or sent your kids to a public school, that was a SOCIALIST SCHOOL. 911 emergency response hotline: SOCIALIST. Policeman chasing that criminal: SOCIALIST. Brave soldier dieing to protect our country: SOCIALIST.
    .
    Everything our taxes support is a Socialist program. If you insist on demonizing the word like you do you should rail against he horrible Socialist programs you currently must endure.

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