Re: What’s A Natural Disaster Without Pat Robertson To Explain?

Sigh. For years, I’ve been pleading with people to ignore Pat Robertson when he spouts off with his crazy-ass explanations for disasters (among other things). But because he can always be identified as a televangelist and former GOP presidential candidate (i.e., a guy with at least something of an audience), it doesn’t matter how many evangelicals cringe at his every statement or hate the idea that he’s still thought of as a Christian leader. Every time he speaks, Robertson makes Christianity and religion in general look bad.

It’s past time for other Christian leaders to stop regarding him as crazy but harmless Uncle Pat, a guy who should be ignored but treated with some respect. The man says that the devil came down to Haiti, made a pact with the locals, and now God is punishing them with a devastating earthquake (because the crushing poverty, hunger, and illness hasn’t been enough?). “True story.” WTF?

Who’s willing to call Robertson out and condemn that statement? Who’s ready to publicly say the televangelist should give up his television appearances? Rick Warren? Franklin Graham? Chuck Colson? What exactly does Robertson need to say before other Christian leaders worry that he’s tarnishing their faith and the example of Christ? If they don’t speak up, it’s not unreasonable to assume that they’re not concerned by statements like this.

Meanwhile, the Vatican has announced that Archbishop Joseph Miot’s body was found in the ruins of the archdiocese’s office in Port-au-Prince.

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  • trifecta55

    None of them will Amy, and you know it.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Amy. You hadn’t posted last few days and some here missed your stuff (okay, maybe just me). Also thanks for saying “crazy-ass”. But seriously, that aside, keep calling Robertson out if others won’t. Better yet, go on TV and do so if you’re not doing so already. Frank Schaeffer has the Christian street cred and he fights against the R movement his dad (and he) helped create. So do good too, Amy. Match lovely KT’s face time with your own to fight back against people like Robertson. Please post your tv schedule here when ready.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Pat Robertson’s “Christianity” is tribalism, 100% divorced from ethics or morality. I would love to believe that the folks you mention don’t view the world the same way; it would be great if they proved trifecta (and me) wrong.

  • nflfoghorn

    I’m sure WTF means Went Too Far, right?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Of course anyone who purports to speak for the Creater Of The Universe runs the danger of misquoting him.

  • destor23

    Why would it help if radical cleric Rick Warren criticized radical cleric Pat Robertson?

  • nflfoghorn

    Dude said 9/11 was God’s way of punishing gay people, backsliders, etc. I wonder, Amy, do you think of him as just as twisted (and possibly dangerous) as your typical radical Muslim cleric? No, I don’t suppose you’ll have PR followers blowing themselves up. But knowing that some people may believe this stuff does put him up there.

  • apr2563

    Limbaugh: Obama will use Haiti to boost credibility with “light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country”
    Limbaugh: Obama discussed Haitian earthquake sooner than attempted Christmas bombing; “Did he apologize for America?” Echoed by Fox.
    Is there a more despicable human being than Rush Limbaugh?

    Shep Smith blasts Robertson’s Haiti remarks: “They don’t need that”
    The one sane voice on Fox.

  • apollyon07

    “…I’ve been pleading with people to ignore Pat Robertson…”
    .
    Done.

  • apr2563

    What about Rush Limbaugh who is already politicizing this tragedy?

  • grape_crush

    None of them will Amy, and you know it.
    .
    Robertson’s been chastised for this behavior before, mostly because it makes Christians look bad…I don’t know if they actually disagree with Robertson; they’re just smart enough not to keep it to themselves.

  • queencersei

    Because Warren, Franklin, Graham et all have their own crazy remarks to explain away and apologize for.

  • grape_crush

    Arg…in “smart enough not to keep it to themselves”, please ignore the ‘not’

  • Matt

    This is a tragedy of unknown proportions and something that demands compassion and action to aid Haiti. Pat Robertson is closer to the figure he describes than anyone living or dead in Haiti.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • nflfoghorn

    How ’bout we send Flush and PR down there. We wouldn’t make jokes about it then, now would we boys?

  • sacredh

    Amy? Amy Sullivan? Crazy-ass and WTF in the same thread? Thud.

  • bobcn1

    Roberson is an expert on ‘pacts with the devil’:

    According to a 2 June 1999, article in The Virginian-Pilot,[18] Robertson had extensive business dealings with Liberian president Charles Taylor. According to the article, Taylor gave Robertson the rights to mine for diamonds in Liberia’s mineral-rich countryside. According to two Operation Blessing pilots who reported this incident to the state of Virginia for investigation in 1994, Robertson used his Operation Blessing planes to haul diamond-mining equipment to Robertson’s mines in Liberia, despite the fact that Robertson was telling his 700 Club viewers that the planes were sending relief supplies to the victims of the genocide in Rwanda. In response to Taylor’s alleged crimes against humanity the United States Congress passed a bill In November 2003 that offered two million dollars for his capture. Robertson accused President Bush of “undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels to take over the country.” At the time Taylor was harboring Al Qaeda operatives who were funding their operations through the illegal diamond trade.

    If other televangelists were responsible enough to call out the bad behavior of their brothers, they would have done it a long time ago.

  • nflfoghorn

    …as I was saying in #6….

  • stuartzechman

    Amy Sullivan:

    Every time he speaks, Robertson makes Christianity and religion in general look bad.

    No, he makes your kind of Christianity look bad, not mine. My sort of Christianity isn’t self-help bookshelf-based, nor “bible-based”. My religion doesn’t place grace in the hands of charismatic charlatans to be peddled en masse in Sunday mall-church. My kind of Christianity doesn’t put the book of Leviticus up against Paul’s letter to the Romans, and say “Let’s go with Leviticus! Yeah, that’s what God wants Christians to do!“. The religion in which I have my faith is Christianity, and so Pat Robertson doesn’t make me look bad one tiny bit.
    .
    Will you please cease defining evangelicals and fundamentalists as “Christianity”? It’s really offensive to us other Christians out here who don’t believer that true faith involves mega-church culture and bad cross-over pop concerts where people hold candles. Will you please call these “bible-based” people what they are: fundamentalists and evangelicals, a separate sort of Christianity from the rest of us?
    .
    Thanks in advance for not having the effrontery anymore to appropriate the word “Christianity” to mean what you or various rightist fanatics personally believe, Amy Sullivan. That would be super.

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  • shepherdwong

    “It’s past time for other Christian leaders to stop regarding him as crazy but harmless Uncle Pat…”
    .
    Because their beliefs are so much more…rational? I mean, if some “radical cleric” was the victim of a political persecution a couple of centuries ago, he must have died to take away the sins of the world. And his mom was a virgin. Also.

  • bobcn1

    SZ, brilliant!
    I’m really hoping Amy responds.

  • sacredh

    I think somebody put something in the water supply. Everybody is going off today. This would be a perfect day for a “1000 Words”. I’m still laughing over Amy saying WTF. Amy, welcome to the jungle. You’re one of us now.

  • nflfoghorn

    Uh, “We’re Tireda Fox”?

  • square1

    The man says that the devil came down to Haiti, made a pact with the locals, and now God is punishing them with a devastating earthquake (because the crushing poverty, hunger, and illness hasn’t been enough?). “True story.” WTF?

    That’s it! This is where I draw the line.

    Universe created in 7 days? Virgin births? Seas parting? Global floods? Resurrection? Magic bunny leaves chocolate on Easter Sunday? Tree of knowledge? Angels? Heaven? Omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent deity that allows (directs?) devastating earthquakes on large populations of the already poverty stricken?

    Okay, that I can accept. But the devil makes a pact with Haitians? Come on!

  • square1

    She meant to say “Pat Robertson, FTW!”

  • Ivy_B

    Thanks, Stuart. Well said. It always irritates me that these outrageous statements get so much press and mainstream Christianity gets zero.

  • formerlyjames

    I read this post earlier, thought about it, came back to post what I thought would be great insight. I was wrong, others have already pointed the finger at religion in general. Robertson is only slightly beyond the crazy realm of accepted religion. The religious channels provide me with great entertainment. Benny Hinn healing, Mother Angelica snorting. I love it. People speak of “religious cults”, like Jim Jones, as if they are not a part of such insanity. They are, you are, Amy. All religion is cultish. Amen.

  • spob

    This puts Pat Robertson (if he wasn’t already there) in the territory of those scum that celebrate the deaths of American servicemen. He is vile.

  • apr2563

    Ditto. Brilliant Stuart.

  • stuartzechman

    Agreed.

  • sacredh

    I’d like to take a baseball bat to Pat and those scum from the Westborough Baptist Church (I hope that’s the group we’re thinking of).

  • kryptik1

    Ivy_B – The saddest part is that this is, for all intents and purposes in politics and public works, “mainstream Christianity”. It’s the brand of Christianity that essentially speaks for the religion as a whole in the American Political Discourse and is the standard that other faiths are held to, including other forms of Christianity. Rarely will you ever see anyone in any mass public way or anything cite the Beatitudes. Even many of the more well-known edicts of Christ, such as ‘What you did for the least of them, you did for me’ or ‘He who is without sin cast the first stone’ tend to fall by the wayside in mainstream discourse over ‘God hates gays, it’s in Leviticus’.
    -
    And that is a tragedy in and of itself.

  • formerlyjames

    spob, let me catch a breath here. Am I agreeing with something you say? Hold on. Give me a little time. I must lay on my recovery couch for a moment. Dear lord, help me.

  • apr2563

    Just as we call on Muslim clerics to condemn radical jihadist, evangelicals should condemn Robertson.
    Republicans should condemn Rush Limbaugh for his comments. Shep Smith continues to be brave enough to fight the Fox meme.
    It is good to see commentators on this site who favor the right speaking out against Robertson.

  • Friar Tuck

    Thank you, SZ. I think you are pitch-perfect here.
    .
    “Preach the Gospel unceasingly. If necessary, use words.”

  • walkingfunny

    stuart: pray, tell, what kind of Christianity is yours that is not “bible-based”? What is it based on?
    .
    Ivy: “main stream Christianity”, who qualifies to be in this group?, I never thought I was one of the fringe elements but my faith is bible based.
    .
    BTW, I think PR’s comments were despicable, both the substance of it and the timing.

  • formerlyjames

    apr, if this happens, where will I get my chuckles and entertainment? Robertson is the right wing. We gotta take it as it is. Go girl Robertson. I mean go macho guy.

  • shepherdwong

    “This puts Pat Robertson (if he wasn’t already there) in the territory of those scum that celebrate the deaths of American servicemen…”
    .
    …or wish that The President of the United States should fail.

  • Ivy_B

    walkingfunny, I was brought up a Methodist and became a Presbyterian. Went to a Presbyterian affiliated college. some of the most interesting courses I took were Old Testament and New Testament (they were required.) I learned how the Bible has evolved, how it was written, compared versions, compared the gospels. I learned that God did not speak in the Elizabethan English that the King James version is written in.
    .
    The first writings that became the Bible were based on stories handed down for many, many years after the events. That is why I do not accept every word as translated into the Bible as from the lips of God.
    .
    I no longer attend a formal church, but the spirit of caring for others and trying to live a life with integrity and truth are the important values to me. I guess you could say they are Bible based, just not proof texted.

  • walkingfunny

    Ivy: probably not the place for a full theological discussion, but I think we agree on more than we disagree.
    .
    “I learned that God did not speak in the Elizabethan English that the King James version is written in.”
    no He did not, but why would the language His message is written in take away or add to the substance of the teachings?
    .
    Some of the basic tenets of Christianity as I know them, and as they are clearly stated in the bible are: grace – unearned favor and forgiveness, unconditional love for all, respect for all, care for the needy even when it requires great sacrifice etc. these are what I believe and try to live as a christian, and I dare say I learned them from the bible.

  • stuartzechman

    walkingfunny:
    .
    Since I’m a Protestant, my Christianity is Scripture-centric, as opposed to, say, Catholicism’s primacy of the doctrines of the Church of St. Peter.
    .
    That’s not at all the same thing as those who profess their worship to be “bible-based”.
    .
    The scare-quotes were supposed to give that away, I’m sorry to have confused you.

  • FlownOver

    I’m only sorry Sen. Franken has suspended his uncanny ability to portray Robertson as the lunatic he is.

  • patusorryahole

    I feel sorry for the people in haiti, and i was wondering how, we could help them?, i was reading this news about the idiotic pat robertson, and his stupid remarks, i believe in GOD and i know GOD is love, Pat (a–hole) robertson is neither a christian nor a loving human being, he is the devil in earth, he is the personal secretary of the devil.

  • sacredh

    I think we can add killing puppies to the list of things we think are bad.

  • apr2563

    http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=169
    Church Lady and the Rev Pat Robertson (AKA; Al Franken, Stuart Smallie)

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    The Catholic Church is actually both scriptural and doctrinal, just to be clear.

  • stuartzechman

    neorationalist86:
    .
    I did say primacy, I’m trying to honestly represent your faith.
    .
    Is it not so? Isn’t the Church primary, and the Word secondary?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    No, God is primary, the World secondary, and the Church a conduit between the two.

  • stuartzechman

    neorationalist86:
    .
    That’s an interesting way to put it.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    And, by the way, I truly enjoyed your initial post. I agree 100%.

  • stuartzechman

    neorationalist86:
    .
    You’re very kind to say so, thanks so much for reading it.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Well, I always read and appreciate your postings, even when we disagree. In this case, at least in terms of your initial commentary on charlatan ‘christian’ schemery, we’re in complete agreement.

  • tiffani30

    Yes. I see that the devil really is busy here. He loves to hide the truth and the light. Rev. Pat is right. These people worship voodoo and sorcery. Read up on Haiti and it’s history. If any of you are of God, you would see that this is his wrath upon the evil. If you play for the other team, then I see why you try to diminish and make Rev. Pat out to be crazy because that’s what the devil does. You can not challenge or conquer God. You all can do absolutely nothing to stop him, so stay back. He is not done with his wrath on the evil. He will continue to destroy the evil empire. Here’s a little sample of what the Haitians believe in and should support Rev. Pat’s statements.

    Haiti Table of Contents

    Roman Catholicism is the official religion of Haiti, but voodoo may be considered the country’s national religion. The majority of Haitians believe in and practice at least some aspects of voodoo. Most voodooists believe that their religion can coexist with Catholicism. Most Protestants, however, strongly oppose voodoo.

    Voodoo

    Misconceptions about voodoo have given Haiti a reputation for sorcery and zombies. Popular images of voodoo have ignored the religion’s basis as a domestic cult of family spirits. Adherents of voodoo do not perceive themselves as members of a separate religion; they consider themselves Roman Catholics. In fact, the word for voodoo does not even exist in rural Haiti. The Creole word vodoun refers to a kind of dance and in some areas to a category of spirits. Roman Catholics who are active voodooists say that they “serve the spirits,” but they do not consider that practice as something outside of Roman Catholicism. Haitians also distinguish between the service of family spirits and the practice of magic and sorcery.

    The belief system of voodoo revolves around family spirits (often called loua or mistè ) who are inherited through maternal and paternal lines. Loua protect their “children” from misfortune. In return, families must “feed” the loua through periodic rituals in which food, drink, and other gifts are offered to the spirits. There are two kinds of services for the loua . The first is held once a year; the second is conducted much less frequently, usually only once a generation. Many poor families, however, wait until they feel a need to restore their relationship with their spirits before they conduct a service. Services are usually held at a sanctuary on family land.

    In voodoo, there are many loua . Although there is considerable variation among families and regions, there are generally two groups of loua , the rada and the petro . The rada spirits are mostly seen as “sweet” loua , while the petro are seen as “bitter” because they are more demanding of their “children.” Rada spirits appear to be of African origin while petro spirits appear to be of Haitian origin.

    Loua are usually anthropomorphic and have distinct identities. They can be good, evil, capricious, or demanding. Loua most commonly show their displeasure by making people sick, and so voodoo is used to diagnose and treat illnesses. Loua are not nature spirits, and they do not make crops grow or bring rain. The loua of one family have no claim over members of other families, and they cannot protect or harm them. Voodooists are therefore not interested in the loua of other families.

    Loua appear to family members in dreams and, more dramatically, through trances. Many Haitians believe that loua are capable of temporarily taking over the bodies of their “children.” Men and women enter trances during which they assume the traits of particular loua . People in a trance feel giddy and usually remember nothing after they return to a normal state of consciousness. Voodooists say that the spirit temporarily replaces the human personality. Possession trances occur usually during rituals such as services for loua or a vodoun dance in honor of the loua . When loua appear to entranced people, they may bring warnings or explanations for the causes of illnesses or misfortune. Loua often engage the crowd around them through flirtation, jokes, or accusations.

    Ancestors ( le mò ) rank with the family loua as the most important spiritual entities in voodoo. Elaborate funeral and mourning rites reflect the important role of the dead. Ornate tombs throughout the countryside reveal how much attention Haiti gives to its dead. Voodooists believe the dead are capable of forcing their survivors to construct tombs and sell land. In these cases, the dead act like family loua , which “hold” family members to make them ill or bring other misfortune. The dead also appear in dreams to provide their survivors with advice or warnings.

    Voodooists also believe there are loua that can be paid to bring good fortune or protection from evil. And, they believe that souls can be paid to attack enemies by making them ill.

    Folk belief includes zombies and witchcraft. Zombies are either spirits or people whose souls have been partially withdrawn from their bodies. Some Haitians resort to bokò , who are specialists in sorcery and magic. Haiti has several secret societies whose members practice sorcery.

    Voodoo specialists, male houngan and female manbo , mediate between humans and spirits through divination and trance. They diagnose illnesses and reveal the origins of other misfortune. They can also perform rituals to appease spirits or ancestors or to repel magic. Many voodoo specialists are accomplished herbalists who treat a variety of illnesses.

    Voodoo lacks a fixed theology and an organized hierarchy, unlike Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. Each specialist develops his or her own reputation for helping people.

    François Duvalier recruited voodoo specialists to serve as tonton makouts to help him control all aspects of Haitian life. Duvalier indicated that he retained power through sorcery, but because voodoo is essentially a family-based cult, Duvalier failed to politicize the religion to any great extent.

    Roman Catholicism

  • bobcn1

    Rather than spending your time writing about voodoo, maybe you should consider spending your money to support the relief effort. Two suggestions: UNICEF or Oxfam America.

  • tiffani30

    lol Of course you would say that bob. If you worship evil, this is what you get in return. I’m just saying…

  • tiffani30

    Of course you would say that bob. You’ve just exposed your ignorance. lol If you worship evil and try to play God, this is what you get in return. I’m just saying…

  • bobcn1

    ‘You’ve just exposed your ignorance’
    .
    Which part of my suggestion to donate to the relief effort did you find ignorant?

  • tiffani30

    Uh like who are you to tell me to spend my money to help devil worshippers? If the truth hurts and you can’t take it, then so be it. I take it that you play for the other team.

  • tiffani30

    and to answer your question…your ignorance was exposed because of your statement about me writing about voodoo. lol I didn’t write that. It was a simple copy and paste from a website on the history of the religion of the Haitians. I’ll say it again…Pat is right and the truth hurts and is a threat to the evil empire.

  • bobcn1

    Does ‘your team’ teach you to behave this way?

  • http://maikzone.wordpress.com maikzone

    As an Evangelical Christian this is embarrassing and a typical example of Old Testament legalism that befuddles many Christians.

  • bobcn1

    I understand you’re concern and think people should remember that this guy doesn’t represent the norm. Anyone with a computer can post here.
    .
    It does reflect on Amy’s original point, however. Robertson is ‘crazy-ass’ (or simply an opportunist) but he has a large organization and lots of followers who are influential and politically active. His brand of hatred and crazy needs to be exposed and countered by the people he claims to represent.

  • tiffani30

    I do not know him, so I can’t speak for or against him. I can only represent me and my knowledge, but I do agree that there is truth in his statement. Nonetheless, I will still pray for them and most of all the children.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    If you worship evil and try to play God

    This is of course precisely what the good Reverend Pat does. The entire new Testament is built around the notion of forgiveness and the fact that we are judged by how we treat the least among us. Any mere mortal who pretends to speak on behalf of the Creator in condemning an a entire nation is doing far worse than someone who sacrifices a share of their livestock for their ancestors…..

  • michaelfury

    Fox News had its own “pact with the devil”. True story:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/target-audience/

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    FWIW, whenever I think of Pat Robertson, I also think of ABC/Disney. They do go hand in hand (literaly).

  • tiffani30

    @ Mr. Dirks. Mr. Pat only speaks of a true history. His claims aren’t bogus. I can not see why people act as if what he has said is so far fetched??? If anyone has read the bible, they will see that in the biblical days, God has brought his wrath upon all of the sinful nations and has restored them. So, are you implying that the bible is a lie and that those events never took place? God’s wrath upon the wicked is nothing new and in my understanding…shouldn’t be to hard to believe.

  • tiffani30

    Also, if you understand the book of Revelations, you will see that this is just the beginning of God’s wrath and more is to come.

  • tiffani30

    *correction* too hard too believe…still early morning. lol

  • http://www.coobysnacks.com Archie

    Actually, it’s Why the Face?

  • johnobx

    You know, I was just asking myself why it is God hates Haiti so much. I’m so glad Rev. Pat came along to explain it.

    PS: tiffani30, you are a douchemuffin.

  • 53_3

    What evil empire?
    .
    By the way, I just donated to Doctors Without Borders.
    .
    They are a good cause too.

  • 53_3

    We need more people like tiffani30 to keep the guillotine blades sharp…

  • 53_3

    And to think that Pat Said NOLA was bad.
    .
    I have a hunch that when tiffani30 shuffles of this mortal coil Haiti will still be there.
    .
    Another way to look at it is to ask yourself this question:
    .
    Who would I rather have as a neighbor?
    A. tiffani30
    B. A Haitian family
    .
    I’m sorry y’all, but I’m leaning toward B…

  • 53_3

    I agree with you too, spob! Thanks for that!

  • 53_3

    james:
    .
    Calm down. Deep breath.
    .
    In.
    .
    Out.
    .
    In
    .
    Out. Sloooowly.

  • billiecat

    Hey, tiff – read this section of your Bible lately?

    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Matt. 25:34-46

  • adajam

    Yesterday’s and today’s news, seeing the devastation, the faces of the injured, pleading to know about the fate of their loved ones, and the estimated number of dead, are wrenching. I wonder about anyone’s mindset that is not moved by these scenes and their implications. Negating charity to these people, our brothers and sisters, no matter whom or where they are, goes against not only religious beliefs, but also conscience and charity. For those who are religious, weren’t we all “created in God’s image”?
    .
    tiffani30: To quote: “If any of you are of God, you would see that this is his wrath upon the evil.”
    .

    “He is not done with his wrath on the evil. He will continue to destroy the evil empire.”
    .

    Your post exemplifies the dangers of fanatism. This was the same mentality that “allowed” Hitler to justify the slaughter of 6 million Jews. To him, they were as unworthy as you describe the Haitians.
    .
    Reading posts in other blogs made me cry. It is disturbing to think there are so many in these blogs who agree with Robertson and Limbaugh.
    .
    billiecat has said it perfectly, and echoes my sentiments, when he quotes from Matthew. To paraphrase, tiffany,” As you do unto one of mine, so you do unto me.” Your beliefs do not allow for altruism or any sense of benevolence. Philanthropy for those who do not fit your mold is not in your core. You cannot say you are one of Jesus’ followers if you cannot forgive as he did and be tolerant and accepting as he was.

  • dtj180

    On 22 August 1791 the slaves of Haiti rose in revolt and plunged the colony into civil war. The signal to begin the revolt was given by Dutty Boukman, a high priest of vodou and leader of the Maroon slaves, during a nocturnal religious ceremony at Bois Caïman. This is the ceremony that Robertson allegedly refers to.

    I assume that tiffani30 justifies her view that Robertson was right and Haiti deserved this. Because does not the Bible say: “Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ.”(Ephesians 6:5) “Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don’t work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord.” (Colassians 3:22) “Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back .” (Titus 2:9) “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. ” (1 Peter 2:18)

    Obviously by Robertson’s logic God wanted the slaves of Haiti to stay in bondage, and they brought down the wrath of God for trying to become free!

    Finally a little history….this was not a “paradise” for the slaves, in fact it was hell on earth.

    By 1790, Haiti was the richest French slave colony in the New World due to the immense profits from the sugar, coffee and indigo industries. The French-enacted Code Noir (Black Code), which was prepared by Jean-Baptiste Colbert and ratified by Louis XIV, established rigid rules on slave treatment and permissible freedom. It has been described as one of the most brutally efficient slave colonies there ever was – a third of new arrivals died within a few years. Among other things, the Code Noir defined the conditions of slavery in the French colonial empire, restricted the activities of free Negroes, forbade the exercise of any religion other than Roman Catholicism, and ordered all Jews out of France’s colonies.

    In 1789 Haiti producer of 40 percent of the world’s sugar, was the most profitable colony the French owned and in fact the wealthiest and most flourishing of the slave colonies in the Caribbean. The lowest class of society was enslaved blacks, who outnumbered whites and people of color by eight to one. The slave population on the island totaled at least 500,000 by 1789, almost half of the one million slaves in the Caribbean. They were mostly African-born. The death rate in the Caribbean exceeded the birth rate, so imports of enslaved Africans continued. The slave population declined at an annual rate of two to five percent, due to overwork; inadequate food, shelter, clothing and medical care; and an imbalance between the sexes, with more men than women.

  • adajam

    There was also slavery in my native Puerto Rico. After enslaving the native Tainos, and the Tainos dying of disease and cruel treatment, being almost entirely decimated, the Spaniards brought in slaves from Africa to mine gold, help build forts, and work in the ginger and sugar cane fields.
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    In 1478, due to the Spanish Inquisition, Africans were not allowed to practice their native religious beliefs in any of the Spanish possessions, therefore no single organized African religion survived from the times of slavery to the present in Puerto Rico. (Nevertheless, at present, there is a plethora of spiritual beliefs that can be identified as being definitively African. These were imported from settlers from other countries.)
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    On March 22, 1873, slavery was abolished in Puerto Rico.
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    After the emancipation, the Catholic Church insisted that every slave be baptized and converted to the Catholic faith. In accordance to the church’s doctrine, master and slave were equal before the eyes of God and therefore brothers in Christ with a common moral and religious character.
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    Catholicism is practiced by over 80% of the population in Puerto Rico. Nevertheless, there is a religion similar to voodoo called Santeria. Santeria and Palo Mayombe are practiced in Puerto Rico and arrived there via the Cuban immigrants at the beginning of the 20th century. Even though they were converted into Christianity, the European Spanish, upon their arrival to Cuba did not abandon their African religious practices altogether. Santeria is a religion created between the diverse images drawn from the Catholic Church and the representational deities of the African Yoruba ethnic group of Nigeria.
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    In Santería there are many deities who respond to one “top” or “head” God. These deities, which are said to have descended from heaven to help and console their followers, are known as “Orishas.” According to Santeria the Orishas are the ones who choose the person whom they will watch over.
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    I guess that now that I have revealed there is Santeria practiced in Puerto Rico, tiffani30 will pray Puerto Rico be cursed with a calamity, since, in her way of thinking, and that of Pat Robertson, it has given itself to the devil. Sigh!

  • adajam

    By the way, I did not mention the makeup of the religions in Puerto Rico.

    Of 3,954,000+ inhabitants:

    Christians – 97%
    Non-religious/other – 1.98%
    Spiritist – 0.70%
    Muslim – 0.13%
    Hindu – 0.09%
    Jewish – 0.07%
    Buddhist – 0.03%

  • freeinpa

    And you would know whether or not he was quoted how?

  • sacredh

    Well f**k me! Here comes the end of the world and I haven’t even been to the Grand Canyon yet.

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