As Mascot and Martyr, Sarah Palin Debuts On Fox News

It’s been said before, but let me say it again: Fox News creator Roger Ailes is a genius. His peers in the executive suites of rival networks, newspapers and media conglomerates still hire talent for their abilities. Ailes knows you can also hire talent for who they anger, who they unite and what they represent.

At the start of his show Tuesday night, Fox anchor Bill O’Reilly announced that Palin’s new job at Fox News had already “thrown the left wing media into a conniption.” He played clips from his network’s two competitors, MSNBC (“How can she be a pundit? She doesn’t know anything!” asks Chris Matthews) and CNN (“One more ignorant right winger at Fox News,” says Paul Begala). O’Reilly then offered his studied bafflement. “You are a politician, you are a mom, you are an American,” he said, turning to Palin at his table for the first time as a corporate peer. “What’s the threat?”

Even before Palin answered, the genius of Ailes had crystallized on the screen. The set up was unmistakable. Ailes had not hired another talking head in Palin. He had hired a mascot for Fox News, a living breathing symbol of all that the network hopes to be: a place for the forgotten, besieged, suburban and rural American middle, long victimized, often dismissed, beset on all sides by elites and liberals, haters and foes. Palin took her cue perfectly. “They don’t like the message,” she said. “They don’t like the commonsense conservative solutions that I think I represent, and I articulate as I explain what I believe are some solutions to the great challenges facing America.”

[Before I continue, I must make a disclosure: I am not, as a member of the professional media, qualified to describe Sarah Palin’s debut appearance as a Fox News analyst. As Fox pundit Monica Crowley explained on the network after the former Alaska governor left Tuesday night, Palin “was actually talking over the heads of the media to the American people.” This, explained Crowley, is Palin’s great talent—a rare ability to connect directly with Americans through television. “Nixon did it,” Crowley added, driving home her point. Lacking access to Palin’s most important frequencies, therefore, I must ask that you take this analysis for what it is—an incomplete rendering.]

The Palin that followed on Fox was the Palin that America has long come to know, at once skittish and confident, sing-songy in elocution, repetitive in substance and Palinesque in diction. (As H.L. Mencken once described Warren Harding’s use of English, “It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.”) Of Harry Reid’s recently reported use of the word “negro,” Palin said, “His thinking and his articulating of that thought is quite perplexing, is quite unfortunate.” Of the Obama Administration’s standoff with Iran, she said, “The time for talking—that’s enough.” Of Alaska, Palin explained, “I come from a very diverse state.”

To quibble with any of these utterances, in form or substance, would be to simply help fulfill her Fox News destiny. She exists to enrage and rile those paid to pay attention to this stuff, a group who a great bulk of the American people long ago began to dislike for its phony self-importance and its monopoly on their attentions.

To further drive home this point, O’Reilly played for Palin some excerpts from last Sunday’s 60 Minutes, where authors Mark Halperin of TIME and John Heilemann of New York debuted their most damning reporting of Palin’s turn as a vice presidential candidate from their new book Game Change.

Palin denied one charge in the book, sort of confirmed another, and declined to engage a third. Her tack then became saucy. “The rest of America doesn’t care about that kind of crap,” she said at one point. “It’s a bunch of BS from Schmidt and his guys,” she said at another point, in reference to the 2008 McCain Campaign’s top strategist, Steve Schmidt. Of Halperin and Heilemann, she said, “Who knows who these guys are? I don’t know who these guys are.”

At this point, Palin’s performance reached its crescendo, not as news analysis or reporting, but as a restatement of the very mission that has made Fox News so successful. “The American people are immediately neutralizing outlets like 60 Minutes,” Palin explained. “More and more Americans are looking at some of these networks, that biased journalism, and saying, ‘Nah, that gig is up. We’re not believing that stuff anymore.’ That’s why they are tuning into Fox News.” She had become the message. Her mission was accomplished. Her future at Fox is bright.

In short, the Palin debut was a rousing success. She left the show after less than 20 minutes. Then O’Reilly brought on two attractive lady legal analysts to discuss the civil rights implications of public nudity, while the Fox News control room looped tapes of a naked hippie from Ashland, Oregon, first squatting by a waterfall and then bouncing her breasts before a video camera, then squatting by the waterfall, then bouncing her breasts, then squatting again.

It is Ailes’ world, after all. We live in it.

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  • nflfoghorn

    “You are a politician, you are a mom, you are an American,” he said….“What’s the threat?”
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    O’Really forgot to add: “You are a crackpot.”

  • nflfoghorn

    So what makes Fox Noose so successful, you say Mike, is what’s in your last three paragraphs? Stupidity, denial, and tittilation?!? Ye gods.

  • nflfoghorn

    Loud-mouthed freakin’ crackpot, that is.

  • textee

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  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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  • nflfoghorn

    Yeh, and they’re fair and bland — I mean, balanced, too.

  • nflfoghorn

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  • cfukara

    Well.
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  • jcapan

    “Mark Halperin of TIME and John Heilemann of New York debuted their most damning reporting of Palin’s turn as a vice presidential candidate from their new book Game Change.”

    Just for the record, the book is a malignant tumor on the profession of journalism whether it’s commenting on Palin or the Edwards.

  • jcapan

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  • stuartzechman

    Elizabeth Edwards!
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    Bill Clinton!
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    Sarah Palin!
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    Harry Reid!
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  • jcapan

    SZ, you surely agree that Halp is brilliant. Spreading the dish around as he has–something for doofy dems and repubs alike to fancy.
    .
    I honestly want to hear from KT, Joe, Mike, what they think of their colleague, the Versailles’ prince.

  • mjwilstein

    You can watch Sarah Palin’s full debut segment on Fox News here:
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  • 3xfire3

    Michael your half truths and lies illustrate all that is wrong with Liberal reporters. You bend the truth to fit your distorted views. You are a disgrace to your profession

  • stuartzechman

    …and a clarification, if you wouldn’t mind, Michael Scherer:

    His peers in the executive suites of rival networks, newspapers and media conglomerates still hire talent for their abilities.

    “abilities”?
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    What do you mean, precisely?
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    David Gregory immediately comes to mind, and I can’t for the life of me imagine what “abilities” you’re talking about.
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    Wolf Blitzer?
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    Maureen Dowd?
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    Chris Cillizza?
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    Rick Sanchez?
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    John Harris?
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    Frank Rich?
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    Richard Cohen?
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    Keith Olbermann?
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    Rick Stengel?
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    Chuck Todd?
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    Mark Halperin?
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    Chris Matthews?
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    Sally Quinn?
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    Mika Brzezinski?
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    Howard Fineman?
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    David Ignatius?
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    David Brooks?
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    David Broder?
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    …and last, but certainly not least…Dana “Mad Bitch Beer” Milbank?
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    What “abilities” are you talking about, Michael Scherer?
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    I’m completely serious. It’s like you live in another world.
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    “Talent” for what?

  • stuartzechman

    …Sorry, one more thing, Michael Scherer:
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    So that you would understand that it’s not a left-right thing, I left out George Will, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Kate O’Beirne etc, etc, all of whom enjoy limitless tenure at non-Ailes affiliated outlets. Upon rereading that list of miserables, their absence is too apparent. Surely you can see that these people –who were all thoroughly wrong about almost every major issue over the past decade and a half– and their careers also do not seem to constitute the meritocracy you envision?
    .
    When you speak of Ailes’ competitors at “networks, newspapers and media conglomerates” hiring “talent” for their “ablilities”, were you by any chance referring to the Philadelphia enquirer’s hire of John Yoo last spring ( link to “Inquirer defends the indefensible: A monthly column by torture architect John Yoo” at Philly.com )?
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    What “abilities”?

  • stuartzechman

    Sorry, it’s late. For those who don’t know, “Philadelphia Enquirer” is a joke, I know it’s not spelled that way.

  • grape_crush

    “What’s the threat?”

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  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    And a quitter. Lets not forget quitter. When the going got tough, Palin got to running the he11 away.

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  • Cliff

    Now there’s a cfukara post I can agree with fully.

  • Cliff

    She exists to enrage and rile those paid to pay attention to this stuff
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    Said the man who just wrote ten paragraphs on the subject.

  • Cliff

    I’m not going to lie, clowns freak me out a little.

  • apr2563

    jc we can agree. The traditional media is salivating and having an orgasmic reaction to this tabloid book.
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    On Chris Matthews today, the authors declined to state whether they actually talked to Harry Reid. This allowed them to avoid answering the question if their interview was off the record.
    As much as I have little respect for Palin, I want to base my opinions on detailed facts not 2 scribes trying to scandalize us all. As I mentioned in another post, the MSM would not interview Kitty Kelly about her book on the Bush family. It was too salacious. Halperin and Heilemann of course are part of the echo chamber. It doesn’t matter to the villagers if they are telling the facts. After all, they may have a book to hype someday. If reputations are ruined, too bad.
    Drudge and Politico rule their world.

  • apr2563

    By the way Michael, Murdochs 4 children despise Roger Ailes.
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    When Murdoch the elder goes to that great fair and balanced judgement in the sky, it seems that Roger will be removed.
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  • apr2563

    Sorry Stuart, like you I find the traditional media misuses the term journalist. However, I would not include Olbermann or Frank Rich in the list you shared.
    Olbermann can be bombastic but he was an opponent of the Iraq war, has spoke out for real health care reform, as has Frank Rich. They are right far more often than wrong.
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  • abdullah69

    I would have thought the reference to Nixon was unfortunate, but then I was not a regular Fox viewer, so maybe “I am not a crook” still resonates with those guys.

    Of course I will now watch avidly to discover “what would Sarah do”.

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    Monica Crowley worked for Nixon and his library. She also wrote a book about him. She continues to be in denial. I lived through the Nixon era. He never talked to me. I don’t think anybody thought of Nixon as a regular guy. After all, the man walked on the beach in a suit, tie and dress shoes.

  • Paul-no not that one

    This country was a better place when books like Game Change were written by pros at that kind of stuff.
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    A pro like Kitty Kelley.

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    Kitty Kelly writes tabloid books. You know what you are getting. Game Change pretends to be a serious work of journalism.

  • kathy

    stuart – but how about Schmidt revealing that Sarah Palin didn’t have any idea about the Korean War resulting in North and South Korea? I expect all the people you list know that. So perhaps he should have said knowledge instead of abilities.

    Michael’s right that Ailes is a genius in this, but I agree that most of the media are tools. One only has to look at their following all over themselves over Harry Reid’s speaking the truth in awkward language and ignoring some of the more substantive revelations of the week, not to mention actual news.

  • acordas

    Ain’t sh’e suppose to take on the helping of Alaska her people of the north? Folks this is grifter at best….

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I think Stuart’s is an important point.

    If cable news in general weren’t constatly seeking the lowest common denominator, if they weren’t constantly presenting he-said she-said controversies without addressing the truth of what was actually said, if they actually took a moment to challenge their viewers instead of titillating them, then the environment that Fox News operates in would be less conducive to its success.

    It’s very easy to make fun os Sarah Palin. But in a world where it’s still acceptable to put down intelligence as arrogance and embrace ignorance as a virtue, she’s going to find an audience.

  • rustyreturns

    “His peers in the executive suites of rival networks, newspapers and media conglomerates still hire talent for their abilities.”

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    Would you like to prove this point, name names. Back up your statement proclaiming “media” has any talent at all?
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    Now for the meat and potatos of it all.
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    “Ailes had not hired another talking head in Palin. He had hired a mascot for Fox News, a living breathing symbol of all that the network hopes to be: a place for the forgotten, besieged, suburban and rural American middle, long victimized, often dismissed, beset on all sides by elites and liberals, haters and foes.”

    .
    Wow, so very condesending, Michael. Well allow me to provide you with an educational moment on the make up of the United States of America.
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    1. Most Americans, approximately 84% have a high school education or did not graduate from high school. This leaves 16% with education above a high school level.
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    2. 76% are white or consider themselves white.
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    3. 65% are employed in what we would classify a “non-professional” type job.
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    http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S2601A&-ds_name=ACS_2008_3YR_G00_
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    It is not a “mascot” that Ailes has recruited and put Sarah Palin on Fox News. He simply looked at the demographics. Ailes is smart enough to know that the vast majority of Americans relate to someone like Sarah Palin. She represents the basic, average demographic of the US population. The majority.
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    Did TIME.com hire you, Michael, as their “mascot”? Or are you just some token white boy, whose daddy knew someone?

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  • colincody

    I am far from being a Bill O’Reilly fan, but I do think Sarah Palin did well on his show for only a beginning effort. She will improve with time, maturity and experience–and hopefully avoid being on his show as much as possible.

    I have been a professional actor for many years and could have done a much better interview now than she did because of my greater experience, but I did about as well as she did during my first several TV interviews. So, there is hope, great hope for her in the future.

    There is no better way to clarify one’s thoughts on a subject than to write carefully about it…over and over during an extended period of time. We all have much more information and insight tucked away in our little brains than we realize until we start to write in-depth about specific issues. We have picked up an enormous amount of information over the years from all the things we have read and heard and thought. Sarah would do well to spend a large amount of time writing about everything she considers important to think about seriously while harvesting all that important and very useful stored information and insight eager to be brought up from long term memory.

    She is extremely intelligent and rational, but she needs to learn how to express her views with greater clarity and precision in spite of boobs like O’Reilly always getting in the way during interviews. You learn that sort of thing only by thoughtful, in-depth writing and also by observing well done interviews.

  • ilikechips

    MS- nice post. and you have been proven correct.

    All one has to do is look at the tizzy you have set off here in loony lib land by mentioning Palin. Many ridiculous posts..even SZ got into the action

    Palin Derangement Syndrome at it’s finest here in the swamp

  • rustyreturns

    Here let me help you with this Dirks:
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    “It’s very easy to make fun os Sarah Palin. But in a world where it’s still acceptable to put down intelligence as arrogance and embrace ignorance as a virtue, she’s going to find an audience.”

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    Versus TIME.com / Swampland…
    .

    “It is very easy to make fun of those who frequent the TIME.com / swampland site, where it is still acceptable to pretend you are intelligent and arrogant. Where people who they perceive to be “ignorant” are in fact smart, hard-working and productive citizens of our society. The basic make-up of TIME.com / swampland are liberals, who are intellectually challenged a$$wipe wannabes, who couldn’t think for themselves unless they are given their talking points by the likes of Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews.”

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    There, fixed it for ya!! Enjoy

  • Matt

    The problem for Palin is that this does nothing for her national political future. The folks watching her last night and throughout what will surely be a brief tenure at Fox already lover her and believe anything and everything she says.

    Palin could tell them we’re actually unicorns living on Mars and her fans would fall for it in a snap.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • rustyreturns

    See 18.1 for a translation of the above.

  • bobell

    The division of Korea was not the result of the Korean War but the cause. Korea was divided in the wake of WWII, and the war broke out in 1950 when North invaded South. There are some excellent one-volume histories of that war for those who don’t remember it and never learned much about it. Among other things, the dividing line between the countries, which before the war was the 38th parallel (of latitude), was changed by the 1953 truce that ended hostilities.
    .
    Eisenhower’s promise in the 1952 presidential campaign to “go to Korea,” which was widely seen as a promise to put an end to the war, was a major factor in his landslide win. Compare Obama’s position on Iraq.

  • larrymg

    Q: Why do they send in the clowns?

    A: To distract the audience when catastrophic events occur at the circus.

    Based on that precedent, Palin is a much-needed distraction from the catastrophe called liberal media … a catastrophic circus in and of itself.

  • 3xfire3

    colin, Thanks for the toughtful post. It’s refressing to read a rational post on this very irrational website.
    Liberals were shocked when after McCain selected Palin, McCain’s poll numbers went ahead of Obamas for the first time. Being the dishonest people they are they imediately set out to distroy Palin. They were quite successful in a short campaign but in the long run they will fail. The average American will learn to respect Palin for the very capable lady she is. Liberals will eventually hurt themselfs through their unfair efforts to distroy her.

  • freeinpa

    It is even more difficult in a world when those out of ignorance and fear pass judgment as to who is intelligent or not.

    The left launched into a smear campaign with Palin based on Saturday Night Live skits while they ignored Obama visiting all 57 states.

  • freeinpa

    David Gregory immediately comes to mind, and I can’t for the life of me imagine what “abilities” you’re talking about.
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    Wolf Blitzer?
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    Maureen Dowd?
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    Chris Cillizza?
    .
    Rick Sanchez?
    .
    John Harris?
    .
    Frank Rich?
    .
    Richard Cohen?
    .
    Keith Olbermann?
    .
    Rick Stengel?
    .
    Chuck Todd?
    .
    Mark Halperin?
    .
    Chris Matthews?
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    Sally Quinn?
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    Mika Brzezinski?
    .
    Howard Fineman?
    .
    David Ignatius?
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    David Brooks?
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    David Broder?
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    …and last, but certainly not least…Dana “Mad Bitch Beer” Milbank?
    .
    What “abilities” are you talking about, Michael Scherer?

    ++++++++
    The ability the list has involves the capacity to ask only one question:

    Do you want fries with that?

  • rustyreturns

    I agree 3xfire3, colincody gives some sound advice for Sarah. As indicated by colincody, “There is no better way to clarify one’s thoughts on a subject than to write carefully about it…over and over during an extended period of time”. Doing this will also inspire confidence, which she has a lot already, but this will get even more pronounced.
    .
    I couldn’t agree more. I find myself, the more I write in comments here, the more knowledgeable I become. Not that all information on the interenet is accurate, but it is a wealth of information you can peruse, and comment on other opinions and ideas.
    .
    No matter what Sarah chooses to do, she will be not only an effective voice for conservatives, but she will also challenge other ideologies. This is why the left is so scared of her. Their feeble attempts at mocking her, calling her basically stupid can and will be seen through by the average American. This quality as demonstrated on this very site, is not only loathed by most Americans, but it sets Sarah up as an under-dog.
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    This behavior by the left is what men have attempted to do with women for years and years. One day I predict liberal women will see through this tactic, and they will voice their concerns on Sarah’s behalf. It still amazes me that any woman would sit back and allow what the media has done to Sarah. It is so representative of what has happened to women in general over the years by men.

  • http://pcdolinger.wordpress.com/ Phil Dolinger

    Katie Couric has talent?

  • rustyreturns

    I fully agree, freeinpa. See what I wrote in 20.2

  • logicalmayhem14

    “Ailes is smart enough to know that the vast majority of Americans relate to someone like Sarah Palin. She represents the basic, average demographic of the US population. The majority.”

    I didn’t realize 44% was the vast majority of America.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124736/palin-favorable-up-slightly-obama-holds-steady.aspx

  • http://pcdolinger.wordpress.com/ Phil Dolinger

    I meant to say “abilities” as in “…rival networks, newspapers and media conglomerates still hire talent for their abilities.”

  • michaelfury

    From the people who brought you General Paul Vallely’s satanic “MindWar”, a decent Christian woman?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/how-deep-the-rabbit-hole-goes/

  • mgecan

    I assume the ratings numbers were up for Fox during Caribou Barbie’s appearance so the only conceivable reason for hiring her have, so far, proved justified. I’ve made a decision not to watch Fox during her appearances, I don’t want my viewership to be misinterpreted with Palin approval nor do I want my intellect contaminated by her “fuzzy” logic and lack of factual information (I’ll bet that FactCheck.org has hired a dozen more vetters now that she has a regular gig on TV).
    Ms. Palin is a product of our time; purely a continuation of the same public craving for celebrity (without merit) that begets programming like “Housewifes of ….”, almost all reality shows, and the continued adoration of Paris Hilton, Kate Goslin and the rest of their ilk. Media panders to whoever guarantees the highest ratings, most copies sold, etc. Sadly the collective IQ and thirst for truth is at an all-time low in the US and the bar continues to be lowered everyday.
    Finally, I’ve never heard Ms. Palin articulate in depth on ANY subject. Has anyone ever heard her state an in-depth, well thought out position on any topic with any more insight than you’d get at your office water cooler?

  • fandaelis

    I am so glad seeing how the left continues to be “blind.” They spew falseties and distortions and, what is even more baffling, they believe in all those things. Sarah Palin is a great American, and she is having an impact, whether the left likes it or not. She is not perfect, the only perfect human being was Jesus Christ, and look what the political and religious people of his time did to him. So, when the left becomes so vicious on their attacks it is a signal that whoever they attack, is actually a great person! Michael Schere, avoided on purpose, sounding like a extreme left wing, however, it is pretty clear how demeaning his whole article is!

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    Stuart, you make my point for me. Your anger and disapproval is widely shared. The phony self-importance and (diminishing) monopoly on your attentions of the crowd you mention (myself included, though no name brand) is widely panned. Ailes knew this long before everyone else. He has built an entire network around it, Palin as his keystone.

  • sacredh

    Sarah getting a gig on Fox isn’t something I wanted at all. It probably kills her chances of being the republican nominee in 2012. Now somebody that actually has a chance to win the general election might move into that position.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “i want to base my opinion on detailed facts”
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    Detailed facts? uhh, Huffington Post?
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    Geeez!

  • freeinpa

    Rusty:

    I agree. What is never answered by the left is how someone with so little intellect and consequence as Sarah Palin can illicit so much bile, hatred and irrational response over a year after th election?

    What do they fear?

  • fandaelis

    Sorry, I mispelled Michael Scherer’s name! But the comment about his bias and negative article still stands. And we will see, as times passes, how things go. We have already seen some so far, for a year, how damaging it is to have the “left” on power. But most people are waking up to how damaging socialism and left policies are. There will be “change” coming, and this time it will not be as damaging as the current one is. No politician is good! However, some are worst, and those of the “progressive,” “socialist,” “communist,” and “left” views are the very worst.

  • fandaelis

    @sacredh, you seem to be a left wing who does not see much!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’d have a lot more sympathy toward your notion that there’s more than one sort of ‘intelligence’ if you guys didn’t routinely say things that were demonstrably false.

    We can think of torture or attitudes toward the Muslim world or even opinions on health care or economics as different moral choices or different viewpoints. But let the subject turn to Climate change or evolution and all of the sudden brilliant flashes of absolute stupidity emerge for all to see.

  • sacredh

    fandaelis: Sarah being on Fox presents several problems for any candidacy she might have envisioned. She can’t be on Fox and still run because then Fox would have to give equal (and free) time to a democratic candidate under our election laws regarding equal time. She would have to quit Fox BEFORE she ran and that would just be another job she quit on her resume. She’s going to be on tv regularly and she is nothing if not a gaffe machine. I saw that much. How about you?

  • 3xfire3

    fandaelis, You are correct. Change is comming and for the better. Americans have seen what government by the left is like and they don’t want it. The Democractic party embracing of the far left liberal agenda will cause them great harm. Few people realized how far left the Democratic party had become. Main street does not agree with their ideas and it will show up in future elections.

  • kevin

    I’m surprised she made it all the way through the interview. What an accomplishment.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I’m sure the ratings will do just fine without your viewership mgecan. For every all knowing liberal like you who refuses to watch ( actually I think you will) there’s a dozen who will watch. Of course you will chalk them up as the low IQ ilk. You’re doing Sarah’s work for her, your condesension and degredation of her base only isolates you and your “ilk” while causing her base to grow even larger. Keep up the good work. Obama and his administration has worked hard to alienate the everyday hard working American, and his numbers continue to drop as a result. On behalf of the underlings, I salute you.

  • sanityismine

    the..”forgotten, besieged, suburban and rural American middle, long victimized, often dismissed, beset on all sides by elites and liberals”

    As she would say “Yep”.

    And the insular media (which this writer represents) cannot understand the sentiment, dismisses it, ridicules Palin in a snarkly way, creating the Martyr.

    Why the media reaction to her? It is really about them.

  • rustyreturns

    “Same goes for favorability polls. The Gallup poll goes for the simple binary: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the president? Others, like the CBS/New York Times poll, reflect more nuance: “Is your opinion of Barack Obama favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven’t you heard enough about Barack Obama yet to have an opinion?” The latter formulation produces lower favorability ratings. The reason, says Blumenthal, is a positivity bias. When respondents don’t really have an opinion but aren’t presented with a “don’t know” option, they tend to answer positively—a phenomenon that’s been dubbed satisficing. Hence the disparity between Obama’s approval rating when respondents are given the option to say they don’t know enough to decide (Quinnipiac and CBS News both put him at 50 percent) and when they aren’t (Daily Kos, ABC News, and Fox News put him at 55 percent, 61 percent, and 54 percent, respectively).”

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    http://www.slate.com/id/2236604/
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    Just comparing apples to apples, and the biased nature of “polls”.
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    “To make things even more confusing, Palin has her own ratings gap. Only 28 percent of Americans think she’s qualified to be president, according to a CNN poll. But people admire her personal qualities. A majority of Americans thinks she’s “honest and trustworthy” and “care[s] about the needs of people like you,” and 64 percent believe she’s “a good role model for women.” It’s this sort of disparity of views—hard to capture in a single number—that makes blanket dualities like favorable/unfavorable, popular/unpopular, and approve/disapprove, so limited.”

    .
    If you some how think I am implying that Sarah would be a great candidate for President, I feel that she has a lot of things yet to learn, understand, and be able to communicate to the American voter.
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    The liberal view, is simply to dismiss her 1. because she is a woman and 2. because she is a conservative voice. The problem with this liberal tactic, is that it will fly right back into their face with rejection from the vast majority of Americans. It could even produce a ground swell of support as Sarah becomes more known, and she speaks out more on issues and concerns.
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    I like to look more at job approvals, rather than simply a like or dislike. This is all that your favorability rating you cite gives us. I can like someone, but dislike their actions.
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    Obama’s job approvals have been tanking steadily for the past year, with the current job approval rating at 46%.
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    When Palin left office as Governor, her job approvals were at 68%, and before she went out on the campaign trail with McCain, who in my opinion, his staff completely mishandled, her job approval rating was 80%. Almost 4 years after being elected as Governor.
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    http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/542179.html
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    Again, actions not words will determine a voter’s opinion of any politician. Not some gallup poll.
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    Next

  • logicalmayhem14

    I think she’s found a fine home at Fox News. The Fox audience already loves her and in my mind, she’s much more suited towards serving up red meat as a pundit as opposed to dealing with policy nuance as a candidate/elected official.

    But what really kills me is how much Palin’s supporters truly love to make her the underdog. The martyr. The victim. Nothing is ever her fault. Oh “it’s the democrats for unfairly attacking her.” I’m not so sure the attacks were unfair, but hello? Welcome to politics. Unfair attacks are the name of the game. Willy Horton, Swift Boaters, Obama pals around with terrorists … the list goes on. That is on her to overcome those challenges. She did not. “But the liberal media has portrayed her dishonestly”. Was it the liberal media’s fault that everyone from the McCain campaign has recently come out and criticized her lack of knowledge and behavior on the campaign? Was it the liberal media’s fault that Palin struggled to answer straight forward questions asked by Katie Couric? Was it the liberal media’s fault that she quit her role as governor, walking out on the voters who elected her a year and a half early?

    3xfire3 – you say liberals are dishonest, but are you really even being honest with yourself? I mean really, how much does it take for it to be acceptable to criticize her?

    And freeinpa – maybe you should be asking why is someone with so little intellect and consequence most commonly seen as the person who best reflects the Republican party?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/11/30/GR2009113000509.html

  • jchenn

    I am not a Palin fan. Yet in watching the press go ballistic every time her name is mentioned you can’t help but scratch your head in amusement. What is it about her that turns the media’s faces purple with rage? She’s a populist, has a nasally Fargo sounding voice and isn’t terribly informed. But does this explain the vitriol? No. I think there’s more.

    As an independent (and one who would not vote for Palin), I’ve about come to the conclusion that Palin is just too common for media elites. To the left, she’s a tone deaf opera singer, and the moment they hear her shrill voice, they immediately clap their hands over their ears. She’s just too white, too folksy and too churchy to ever fit in the club.

    However, the boiling rage in the media doesn’t stem from her lack of refinement, but rather from her populist appeal. Because whether Palin is tone deaf or not, she still manages to pack out the opera house, so to speak. And that’s the real problem here, isn’t it? Both Obama and Palin are charismatic in their own way, and both draw crowds. But the press loves Obama with their whole heart – and therefore it must hate Sarah Palin.

  • freeinpa

    See Paul that’s precisely the arrogance to which I refer. The arrogance to believe that your opinion and those who agree is the truth and those oppose liars or stupid.

    The final chapter on Climate has not been written. The left, just as you did in your post have silenced opposition with denigration and name calling. Now that the veil has been lifted by the email leak, more scientific opposition is rising. The dumping of all the original data and using adjusted temperatures in order to fit the theory may in the end show the stupidity may be all yours. Some research (see below) that has been peer reviewed casts doubt that reasonable people can agree.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/graph_of_the_day_for_january_2.html

  • rustyreturns

    “I’ve never heard Ms. Palin articulate in depth on ANY subject. Has anyone ever heard her state an in-depth, well thought out position on any topic with any more insight than you’d get at your office water cooler?”

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    Acually yes. Sarah on Bill O’Reilly’s Factor last night articulated very well our dire situation, and the difficult decision which Obama faces with Iran. Bill attempted to get her to go right for a military invasion. Sarah quickly stopped him, and said “we need to allow sanctions and possibly blockades work first. Exhaust all diplomatic measures. Military action should be the last action left for any President or Nation to consider”.
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    Do you know mgecan what Obama’s position is on Iran? If you do, I would be interested in hearing it. Other than Obama’s promise to appease the Iranians, I am at a loss as to what his policy on Iran happens to be.

  • fandaelis

    @Kathy, it is interesting that you pick on Palin’s not knowing about the Korean War! How about Obama talking about “57 states?” And there are other stupid things he has said, but the left wing media never picks on those, just those spoken by conservatives.

  • seyton

    The reason why people are disturbed about Palin’s new roll as a pundit on Fox News is because she has essentially no background in journalism and her record as a public servant is at best inconsistent. As a broadcast news/opinion program the producers and editors are supposed to fill air with the ideas and opinions of thinkers who can work beyond average. If I wanted to know the opinion or perspective of an average person just like me, I’d walk across the street and ask my neighbor. I watch news to be informed about current events and to be exposed to reasoned thinking and analysis beyond my own. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if your opinion is going to be broadcast on a network as powerful as Fox’s, I would hope it would be an informed opinion. Anyone can present analysis from their perspective, but is it a reasoned analysis capable of advancing the debates of the day? Palin is telegenic and has an interesting biography but that should hardly be sufficient for her to be given a microphone of that size.

    FoxNews should strive to be something more than a glorified youtube.

  • rustyreturns

    Is reading a talent, Dolinger? I suppose one can say that reading from a teleprompter is a talent. If whomever is reading from the teleprompter can put the correct inflection to the words, then he or she can be perceived as having a talent.
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    Obama in his own words said he had a “God given talent”. Yes, he is able to read words very well, with great inflection on those words. He is a talented teleprompter reader.
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    We shall soon see if he can use those words to create jobs, protect us from terrorists, and keep Iran from becoming a nuclear armed country. Now THAT would be talent!!

  • pintortwo

    There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats like Senator Kerry. Senator Kerry is a good man. I’ve known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican Administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
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    -Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom (then parent co of CBS) (link)
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    I admit it. The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.
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    -William Kristol (link)
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    There is some strategy to it [bashing the ‘liberal’ media]. If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is ‘work the refs.’ Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time.

    -Former Republican Party chair Rich Bond (Washington Post, 8/20/92)

  • fandaelis

    @sacredh, I do not know whether or not Sarah will run for President, she certainly would be much better than Obama. She would be a breath of fresh air, compared to Obama. Obviously, if she would choose to run for President she would have to quit whatever commitment she has. Remember, Obama “quit” as Senator when he decided to run for President. He missed quite a few votes. For him the Senate was just a stepping stone to run for President.

  • freeinpa

    sacredh:

    You are usually much more reasonable than this. Another job she quit? Didn’t Obama quit his job as Community Organizer to run for the State elections and then quit that to run for US Senate and then vote present then quit to run President? Didn’t Bill Clinton lie to the people of Arkansas then quit to run for President?

    And since when does being a gaffe machine end a political career? Can you say Joe Biden?

    I agree she would not make much of a President but come on! The criticism of her went past nuts and strraight to looney months ago.

  • fandaelis

    @cfukara and @Cliff if your comments are correct, why are you wasting your time even making comments here?

  • diecash1

    “1. Most Americans, approximately 84% have a high school education or did not graduate from high school. This leaves 16% with education above a high school level.”
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    Rusty — This demonstrates perfectly why you should leave the critical thinking and interpretation of data and information to others. You are unable to even read the data in the link you provided! Here is the pertinent line of data:
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    Bachelor’s degree or higher 27.4%
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    84.5% of Americans have a high school diploma or higher. This does not mean that 16% have greater than a high school education!
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    Brilliant analysis as usual.

  • lostinliberalland

    I truly understand your dilemma when faced with what you perceive (notice not truly objective) as someone you fully disagree with. I found my self realizing that I could say the same with the insertion of a different name (and change of gender and networks) …

    “I’ve made a decision not to watch the mianstream media during his appearances, I don’t want my viewership to be misinterpreted with Obama approval nor do I want my intellect contaminated by his “fuzzy” logic and lack of factual information (I’ll bet that FactCheck.org has hired a dozen more vetters now that he seems to have a regular gig on TV)”

    Now doesn’t that sound familiar?

  • sacredh

    fandaelis: McCain also missed many senate votes while he was running. Believe me, we on the left want Sarah to run for president every bit as much as her fans. While her followers regard her as a breath of fresh air, those of us on the left view her as fresh meat. She’d be the easiest to beat out of the major republican contenders. We’re rooting for her too. If she runs, I’ll be sending her a check or two myself.

  • lostinliberalland

    Sorry this was meant to be a reply to mgecan in comment #25

  • sacredh

    freeinpa: I’m not all that resonable. I think a Palin candidacy would be a nonstop thrill ride. It might not look pretty but it would be the most entertaining election cycle in modern times. I have no plans to work on anybody’s campaign again, but I’d be one happy camper if she runs.
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    OT, but how is the weather where you live? We might get above freezing here for the first time in a month tomorrow. We’ve had so much snow that we literally don’t have anyplace left to push it to.

  • logicalmayhem14

    @rusty – Fair points about the flaws of polls, but you clearly did not read my link as that poll included a “no opinion/haven’t heard of” option. Your citations of Palin approval ratings are meaningless as they really outdated and prior to her quitting (which surely drove them down). And while you talk about an “apples-to-apples” comparison, you then immediately follow that by comparing Obama’s nationwide current approval ratings with Palin’s approval ratings from a year ago and only from the red state of Alaska. Come on.

    And I’m sure you would really love it to be the case if liberals were dismissing her for such trivialities as “she’s a woman”. But maybe it has something to do with the fact that liberals tend to not agree conservatives on issues. And that even when a democrat takes the conservative side on an issue, Palin is clearly not particularly knowledgeable that issue. You and many other conservatives have readily admitted that. Liberals have plenty to dislike without knowing anything about her personal life.

  • donnerundgewitter

    U N C O M F O R T A B L E N E S S ? ? ? ?

    The word doesn’t even exist in the dictionary….

    STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!

    First it was Georgie with the made up words, now it’s
    O’Palin with the made up words.

    Fox News, you deserve her!!!

  • pintortwo

    The scary thing about Palin is that she is modestly educated, poorly versed, allows religion to influence her politics and has no expertise in any relevant area- and was almost a 70-something-year-old heartbeat away from the Presidency. That should scare anyone, regardless of party affiliation.
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    My problem with her today is that she embodies the ugly “Us vs Them” nature of current politics- again, no expertise (other than exciting a crowd). She is a bumper-sticker, not an analyst.

  • apr2563

    I don’t respond directly to 2thirdrocks because he/she thinks I am an uninformed “old hag”. Somebody tell him/her that the article on Huff Post is posted by Michael Wolfe. It is an aggregated post. Did he/she/it read the article? The Murdoch opinions have been written about elsewhere. Now I know it wont be reportered on FOX so it will be hard for 2third to accept.

  • fandaelis

    @donnerrundgewit … I am sure you are quite excelent with words. Oh, yes, you are one of the “elite!” You are quite smart, aren’t you? Tell me what you think when Obama stated that the United States had 57 states? Or any of the other stupid things he said? What did you think of those?

  • freeinpa

    sacredh:

    No doubt it would be entertaining. I doubt she would win the nomination but one thing I think many on the left misunderestimate is that the over the top attacks raise her status and she is striking a cord with many people outside of the media and the Beltway.

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    We are due for a heat wave (40s) after weeks of teens at night and high 20s during the day. Snow nearly gone.

  • diecash1

    If you’re lucky, Obama will call out Iran in a speech as part of a “triumvirate of evil” and then allow them to continue their program of uranium enrichment unabated as W did for 8 years………..

  • fandaelis

    @pintortwo, WOW, you talk about “scary?” Well, how about what we are seeing today? I am not scared with Obama because my God is bigger than he is. However, can anybody be worst than Obama? Look at his policies! Look at his associations! Look at his lies! Look at his promises broken, even tho his left wing supporters! Look at his damaging views on terrorism! Look at his big government views! Look at his soclialist views! Look at his appointments! Look at his ACORN connections! He is quite damaging! However, God is bigger! And people are seeing how damaging he is and they are moving away from him!

  • logicalmayhem14

    @rusty – So Palin’s idea is diplomacy and sanctions before military actions. Wow, what depth. You only get that kind on unique perspective after having been a scholar of Middle East history for decades like Sarah has been.

  • apr2563

    Rusty: He could also hire Joe the Plumber. He has no idea there were amendments to the Constitution.
    My father was a plumber. He did not finish high school because he had to go to work. He was white. He was one of the most intelligent people I knew. He was self-educated. He knew history and was actively involved in politics.
    You are the elitist who thinks anyone without a college degree needs to be pandered to, spoken down to..you betcha. Believe me when I say he would not be impressed by Sarah or the other FOX cadre.

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    Yes, I did illustrate your point with respect to public perception of the diminishing value of your profession’s institutions and personalities.
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    However:
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    You haven’t quite clarified the “abilities” to which you were referring, and so I still don’t quite understand the esteem in which you hold the those responsible for hiring (and retaining) “talent” at competing concerns. It seems as if you’re implying that these other institutions base these decisions on journalistic ability, as opposed to the symbolism and identity represented by this most recent Fox News hire. It seems as if you imagine some sort of meritocracy at work, with the competition for tenure being over quality of reportage. I’d love to know if that’s really what you believe is the case, because if it were, that would indicated that one of us lived on some other planet than this one.
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    That said, I am grateful for your having read and responded to commentary, Michael Scherer, thank you so much.

  • sacredh

    pintortwo: I agree with what you’re saying and think that Sarah’s rise was the end result of the republican’s dance with the evangelicals. It seems to me that when the republican’s courted the evangelicals years ago they saw them as just a voting segment that they could use as an ATM and count on them as a voting bloc. Now they (the evangelicals) are running the party and the party regulars have no choice but to follow along and take what scraps they can get. It’s a fascinating power play and entertaining to boot.

  • freeinpa

    logicalmayhem:

    “And freeinpa – maybe you should be asking why is someone with so little intellect and consequence most commonly seen as the person who best reflects the Republican party?”

    That judgment is one made by the loony left. And the lunacy has be proven as they continue to attack and her popularity rises and the Demos sink. And I have yet to hear any large movement within the Republican party say she is the one who best reflects the party.

    She does energize a group of American Republicans and Independents alike who see the left as being over the top in their attack on her and in how they are handling the country.

  • grape_crush

    Why do they send in the clowns?
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    At the rodeo, the clowns jump in to help manage the bull that’s on the loose.

  • apr2563

    rusty: It is good to hear from all of you right wing feminists.

  • freeinpa

    “diplomacy and sanctions before military actions. Wow, what depth.”

    Now you realize how silly the Democrats policy fo rthe last how many years has been. Imagine how many liberals heads would have exploded if Bush decided to have a military strike in Iran.

    True you don’t get the depth from Palin that you do from Obama. Could you imagine the depth and intellect it took to take 6 months to pick out a dog.

  • stuartzechman

    I don’t think you read my commentary particularly thoroughly if you believe that there was some sort of criticism of Sarah Palin in it.

  • sacredh

    freeinpa: I think she could win the nomination but joining Fox might have either killed or reduced her chances. I will say this for Sarah, she’s a rock star in politics. She could raise enormous piles of cash and cash is what matters when you couple it with a motivated base. I’ve thought that the primaries could be hers if she just devoted her attentions to them. Romney spent a pile of his own cash and got blown out but he didn’t have anywhere near the following that Sarah commands.
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    I have to go out everyday and knock the icicles down from my gutters. Some have been 5 feet long. I’m sick of this weather.

  • apr2563

    Oh my. Sarah is the messiah. She believes she was chosen by God to run for VP and now you imply she may be crucified.

  • logicalmayhem14

    @freeinpa – did you read the link I included? That was a poll among Republicans and Republican-leaning nonpartisans (nowhere does it mention polling the “loony left”). They – the repubs – determined that Sarah Palin most commonly reflected the core values of the Republican party (admittedly with only a plurality of 18%, but McCain was the only other person even above 7%).

  • pintortwo

    sacredh- yes, but I don’t think that career politicians would mind the evangelical influence, even if they disagree with them- once in power, the “closed-door” benefits abound.
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    I should go on record as saying that I have no quarrel with Conservatism- I agree some, disagree some, and like the debate. But I’m talking about the American Conservative type, not the Weekly Standard type- you know, actual fiscal conservatism. Unfortunately, the current Rep party has drowned any conservative voices with this Fundamentalist-Militaristic-Corporatist hybrid (Dems not considerably better). To me, Palin represents a cruel irony perpetuated by elites at the expense of the rest of us.

  • stuartzechman

    Rustydog:

    The liberal view, is simply to dismiss her 1. because she is a woman and 2. because she is a conservative voice.

    The centrist view is simply to dismiss her 1. because she is a populist and 2. because she is an outsider.
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    The reason why she’s getting so much sh*t thrown at her is because the center is afraid of popular rightist figures who haven’t made their peace with the Beltway establishment, not because MoveOn.Org members hate her.
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    Do you really believe that us liberals have that much power over institutional media? If the center likes somebody, then they’re acceptable, if they don’t, then there’s a campaign to discredit them. It’s that simple. It’s all about who has the power to influence voters, politicians directly, or the political media class (dominated by centrists) indirectly.

  • stuartzechman

    Americans have seen government by the center, not the left.

  • fandaelis

    @sacredh – are you a man or a woman? Tell me why do you belittle “evangelicals?” I do not call myself an evangelical. But I believe the Bible is The Word of God. What do you believe sacredh? On Obama? Is he your god? And Palin “perpetuated by the elites?” You’ve got to be kidding! The elites are the liberals, the progressists, who belittle and demean those who do believe God!

  • stuartzechman

    Well said.

  • fandaelis

    @sacedh – what is your source for truth? Where does your confidence and your courage comes from? From yourself? Asking more directly: “What god do you worship and believe in?”

  • sacredh

    fandaelis: Sorry bud, you lost me with this latest rave. I had responded to you with honest answers but I’m not interested in a holier than thou theological debate. Take it somewhere else.

  • fandaelis

    @Paul Dirks – tell me do you believe that ABC, CBS are unbias and accurate on their reporting and comments? Tell me why they are above the Cable News? Cable News is bad to the degree that your views are in disagreement with them. And, for me, for example, MSNBC is the worst. But what is the standard to measure what is bad or good? What is “intelligent” or not?

  • pintortwo

    fandaelis- religion should be practiced in solitude or a place of worship, not on Capitol Hill. My only problem with evangelicals is that they want to legislate based on morality, and many politicians covet their influence.
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    And Palin’s politics will benefit the elite (in terms of power and wealth) at the expense of the common-folk that identify with her. Its a cruel irony perpetuated by powerful individuals like Ailes. (Although I agree it’s a brilliant move to put her on)

  • Ivy_B

    Is it Thursday yet?

  • 3xfire3

    fundaelis, sacredh is not a bad guy. He just truly believes the ultra-liberal garbage. He can’t help himself.

  • apr2563

    jchenn: When Palin first joined the McCain campaign the MSM thought she was hot stuff. Before the conventions, the press was hyper critical of Clinton. Over time they came to the conclusion that Palin was dangerously unprepared to be a heartbeat from the Presidency. Why is pointing that out elitism?
    Huey Long drew huge crowds but was a demagogue.
    I distrust Palin and her faux populism because her words display a person who is not serious. Winking, dropping your Gs and hoping people will allow you to educate yourself sufficiently does not a leader make.

  • freeinpa

    logicalmayhem:

    No I did not read the link. (quite honestly I did not even notice it) I am equally unimpressed now that I have read it and stand by my previous post.

    A poll 2 years out is useless at best. With 18% and a margin of error of 4-5% makes it even more suspect. All the poll implies is that the race will be wide open. I would guess looking at a similar poll in 1998 George Bush might not even be on the survey.

    I would also venture a guess that if the looney left was asked the same question they would list Palin at a number twice what you see in this one. That was the point I was making.

  • rustyreturns

    So right you are dicash, excuse my error. But, 62% would still be a majority, would it not? 62% who only have a high school education or lower. :D

  • apr2563

    Ivy…From the comments above it must be Sunday. My God’s better than your God.

  • rustyreturns

    “Do you really believe that us liberals have that much power over institutional media?”

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    If by “media” you mean, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and TIME.com. Absolutely, yes.
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    Fox wouldn’t give you the time of day.

  • http://www3.whig.com/whig/blogs/uponfurtherreview/?p=1498 Palin-Fox: An entertainment marriage made in TV heaven – Upon Further Review

    [...] made her debut as a contributor on Fox News Tuesday night. Michael Scherer, writing on his Swampland blog for Time magazine, calls Fox News creator Roger Ailes a [...]

  • stuartzechman

    apr2563:
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    Thanks for responding to my commentary.

    Olbermann can be bombastic

    Olbermann is a participant in a show in which video of Carrie Prejean in her swimsuit competition is rolled repeatedly, much like

    the Fox News control room looped tapes of a naked hippie from Ashland, Oregon, first squatting by a waterfall and then bouncing her breasts before a video camera, then squatting by the waterfall, then bouncing her breasts, then squatting again.

    Beyond cheap attention-getting tricks being a substantial element of his programming, he’s shown a spectacular willingness to refrain from critical thinking and analysis with respect to whatever the center-left line is on any given day. The purpose of the preponderance of his commentary and reporting seems to be to demonstrate his loyalties, not to get to the full meaning of events. His obsessions with gossip and trivia at the expense of substantive reporting on the failures of government and industry are apparent, as is his sanctimonious tribal outrage.
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    The bottom line is that noone truly knows anything more about the right (or the largely unacknowledged center) and its political or policy successes and failures than before watching his program, other than that we must hate hate hate the popular right. Olbermann does not inform so much as confirm ideology already held. If there’s a way to misinterpret something some rightist said somewhere, Keith will find a way to get it into “Worst Persons”. Honest debate is not this guy’s strong suit. Neither is policy.
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    Sure, he knows what positions are correct. Sure, he wasn’t wrong about everything for a decade, like the center and the right. Sure he’s not afraid of the rightists.
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    But I expect better from the left. We’re supposed to be reality-based, remember? We don’t get the information we deserve from a news/analysis program like his, we get the latest insults about the popular right to parrot. We’re less informed because of Keith Olbermann, and that allows the right and center to continue to frame every debate at our expense.
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    Frank Rich is another example of liberals’ failure to do the hard work of talking beyond our tribe’s insults, and for relying on superficiality in lieu of substance. For a better day-to-day liberal critique of Rich than I can provide, I would suggest Bob Somerby ( link to decent critique ) ( link to another )
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    Frank Rich doesn’t help liberals understand their political world better, he just helps a certain kind of liberal feel justified in it.
    .
    Thanks for reading and considering this, apr2563.

  • sacredh

    3xfire3: Thanks. I think.

  • deodeosil

    I got the impression that if O’Reilly had pressed Palin she would NOT be able to explain North and South Korea! A bluff.
    She was fishing the whole time….Palin: we hate 60 Minutes don’t we? O’Reilly: No we like them , they are good guys.

    Palin: We hate Pelosi because she had the time to talk to school children.
    O’Reilly: No, she HAD to lead the kids inside…

    there was alot of that…Palin just put the quiet negatives out there and waited to see which ones O’Reilly would bite on. Her hand got slapped quite a few times.

    AND SHE SAID UNCOMFORTABLENESS, instead of discomfort, why can’t she just speak English?

  • diecash1

    According to US Census data, 54% of Americans, age 25 and over, have at least some college education with 34.4% obtaining an associate’s degree or a higher degree.
    ..
    http://tinyurl.com/yfe7abc

  • fandaelis

    @colincody – well, I could not come up with an explanation as good as yours. A lot of people equate “oratory ability” with “intelligence.” Obama, for example, is a great orator (not as great as Ronald Reagan though), but not intelligent. Intelligence should be measured by choosing the right policies and he does not! As we all know, the so-called main stream media made and makes a lot of fun of George Bush’s shortcomings on expressing himself, yet, from what I remember John Kerry, going to school, did worst than Bush. And I know that school does not measure intelligence either. My point, having knowledge of a lot of secular things does not equate to intelligence! And common sense and right principles go a lot further than oratory ability!

  • shepherdwong

    “Fox News creator Roger Ailes is a genius.”
    .
    And a traitor to his country. But I’m sure he appreciates the admiration of “journalists”.

  • lbdukeep

    Mascot – sure she’s cute – but not mascot important or cute. Martyr, only in her own mind. She’s a quitter, no one will forget that one – she quit her duties as Governor of Alaska – that does not make her a martyr. She didn’t give her life for her country, she quit!

    I served my country (female veteran – U.S. Army) and I didn’t quit. I know what it means to serve.

    And now she’s making big bucks for a book that is most likely all lies, distortions and half truths and all from her little pea brain and a ghost writer.

    Personally, I just wish she would crawl away like a whipped dog and disappear from the public view. I’m sick of her.

  • rustyreturns

    One thing is absolutely for sure. Sarah no matter what you think of her does elicit discussion. Not just from the right, but also the left.
    .
    The left who simply wants to degrade her for being a woman, let me rephrase that, a conservative woman. A woman that has values, morals and ideals. She retains her bra on her chest, rather than burn it. She speaks her mind in a way that people listen, albeit, in a homespun, folksy tone. She is not afraid to take on the liberal media establishment, and to call them out for their double standards. Their unconditional bias, and their penchant for a progressive agenda.
    .
    She is a voice of conservativism, and is well liked. Anyone ever hear of Ronald Reagan? That is what scares them all to hell and back. Another 20, possibly 30 years in the dark recesses of liberalism. Another 20 or 30 years before the next Barack HUSSEIN Obama comes into vogue.

  • sacredh

    apr2563: And my God will kick all their God’s asses. SHE is truly powerful and has an attitude problem to boot.
    .
    Off car hunting again. I’m looking for a bargain. Maybe a nice sedan that a family of four ran an exhaust hose into and the family wants to get rid of cheap.
    .
    I fed. Now I must pay.

  • logicalmayhem14

    @freeinpa – I agree, in terms of forecasting, that poll is useless. But that’s not what we’re talking about. You were asking (20.3) why the left dislikes Palin since she is “someone with so little intellect and consequence.” My point in response was that despite her lack of intelligence, your party currently (or at least current as of that poll) sees her as one of it’s leaders, if not THE leader.

  • donnerundgewitter

    @fandaelis…

    “I am sure you are quite excelent with words. Oh, yes, you are one of the “elite!” You are quite smart, aren’t you? Tell me what you think when Obama stated that the United States had 57 states? Or any of the other stupid things he said? What did you think of those?”
    As a matter of fact I would say that I am!

    Having been born outside of the United States and speaking another language until the age of six I found it important to learn the language spoken here and being able to spell the words that have been spoken.

    For instance…

    E X C E L E N T (above)
    No doubt, a mistake on your part. Had you taken the time to proofread your paragraph you may have found that mistake. Since mistakes are underlined in

    R E D….well, we’ll just leave it at that.

    Mistakes are a fact of life. It happens to all of us. For some, it’s more than it is for others.

    President Obama made a mistake. At least we all know that this is an educated man, unlike his predecessor. Georgie had his education bought and paid for. There is no way that an educated man, left to his own devices and without a teleprompter could mangle the American language the way that he did!

    Sarah O’Palin is just as stupid! Heaven help us if this woman ever becomes President!

    Let us not forget that President Obama has to fix eight years of incompetence and stupidity! Did anyone expect that this could be done in ONE YEAR?

    I’m sorry if I come across as an arrogant A $ $. Why can’t we finally pull our heads out of our A $ $es and come together as a whole? Put aside the inevitable differences and work for the common good of every single person regardless of which side of center we stand!

    Does it always have to be a fight?

  • http://opinionletter.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/as-mascot-and-martyr-sarah-palin-debuts-on-fox/ As Mascot and Martyr, Sarah Palin Debuts On Fox « Opinion Letter

    [...] In Uncategorized on January 13, 2010 by dhunzicker As Mascot and Martyr, Sarah Palin Debuts On Fox News [...]

  • fandaelis

    @freeinpa – I agree with you. People made fun of Palin’s answer on the Iran matter. They thought there is no “depth” in that answer. Well, that is the liberal answer for every threat in the world. They believe diplomacy is the key to foreign policy and against terrorism. Lots of people love the antiwar Republican Ron Paul. I once asked him, what would have been his actions after 9/11 and against terrorism, he never replied my question. I did not agree with Palin’s answer yesterday. However, when the left critizes that statment, that is clearly in alignment with their “indepth” answer to terrorism. They can talk terrorists into being good!

  • donnerundgewitter

    Sorry that the sentences and paragraphs all run together…

    There were spaces where they should have been. They were all removed after pressing the submit button.

  • grape_crush

    It seems to me that when the republicans courted the evangelicals years ago they saw them as just a voting segment that they could use as an ATM and count on them as a voting bloc.
    .
    That’s accurate. About a couple of decades ago, the GOP realized that the long-term trend was moving away from them and they decided to play with theology. They got their legions of voters (for a while, anyway) in exchange for having to pay lip service to various theocrats. However, since modern ‘conservatism’ has alienated such a wide range of possible constituents (minorities, liberals, moderates, white collar, blue collar), the GOP is forced to go deeper down into the rabbit hole to remain energized.
    .
    Tell me why do you belittle “evangelicals?”
    .
    There’s nothing ‘belittling’ about sacredh’s post (this time). You’re overreacting.

  • fandaelis

    @apr2563 – well, looks like you are the one who seems to think you are a messiah or a prophet. You read a lot of things “into” what I said. Do you really know how to read? How in the world I implied “she may be crucified?” Or where did I say “she is the messiah?” Show me where did I say she “was chosen by God?” Your reaction shows the bias and the stupidity of your thinking! Did you really get my point? My point is: good people are critized and wrongly so, even when they do the right thing. And, again, Palin is human and makes mistakes but she is great compared to left wing thinking individuals like you!

  • fandaelis

    @apr2563 – by the way, your reply display who most liberals are: they take someone’s words and distort them, they disdain what they say, they make fun of what one says, they make things up and that is their modus operandi. Distort, make fun, disdain, etc …

  • shepherdwong

    …and creating a giant propaganda outlet to disseminate countless lies to gin up irrational hostility and seditious conduct toward government (that makes the rational and well-informed mad) sheer “genius”.

  • apr2563

    Stuart I think I understand your concerns about the traditional media. It is a centerist institution that wants to maintain the status quo. I have posted many times that both hosts and pundits are shallow contributers to our overall knowledge. My wish would be for real experts involved in informing readers and viewers. My wish would be for commentators who were not corporatists.
    However, I continue to read and watch the MSM. I may wish for the perfect but don’t expect it. Olbermann and Maddow (who actually does good independent reporting) are at least able to be critical if not always objective. At least they don’t have that bigoted fool on, Pat Buchanan.
    Just as the traditional press has promoted and rallied around the dreadfully sourced Game Change, they continue to take the easy rather than factual route.
    As I have stated previously, I find the author’s sleazy take downs of Palin as egregious as their weakly sourced gossip about the Clintons. They are tabloid journalists given respectibility by their peers.
    That doesn’t mean I can’t have my own opinions of Palin. After all, she has a whole network to defend her.
    My opinions about Palin are based on observation and research. She is about as populist as Hannity and O’Reilly.
    When she ran for VP the press initially adored her. After all she was folksy, attractive, had a good looking family and energized the McCain campaign. The press was interested in keeping the conflict of the campaigns going, not their content. Then it became too clear that Palin was woefully unprepared for the VP position. She was great for rallying the white, xenophobic, homophobic, intolerant right but could not broaden that base of the Rep. party.
    Please keep speaking out about the centerist proclivity of the traditional press. Remember, it was the doyen of Washington DC, Sally Quinn, who said of the Clintons when they arrived in Washington: “they aren’t one of us”. Well, Bill Clinton soon learned to triangulate and promote DLC centerism. It still did not mean he was not considered a Bubba, but he could at least be tolerated at DC parties.

  • freeinpa

    “She believes she was chosen by God to run for VP”

    As opposed to the left’s belief that Obama IS god.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    As I wrote to you in the past several days. Your belief that takeover of industries and HC among some of the other actions is not a centrist government. Your view of what is centrist, with all due respect, places you on the extreme left position.

    As Obama and the Dems have unfolded their plans they were forced to pull or moderate those plans. That is political survival not ideology.

  • freeinpa

    sacredh:

    I agree she will raise money and voters for the Republicans. I don’t see her in either the Pres or VP spot. The left keeps poking fun at her only strengthens her following and increase the chances for Republicans.

    Sounds like you need a change of venue.

  • fandaelis

    @apr2563 – “Palin was dangerously unprepared to be a heartbeat from the Presidency.” And what did we get? Obama as President. Could there be anything more catastrophic than that? He is unprepared and is damaging the country more than anyone could. Palin stated yesterday that Pelosi was more left wing than Obama. I do not think so! Look at Obama’s associations, look at his appointments!

  • diecash1

    fandaelis — You said: “And what did we get? Obama as President. Could there be anything more catastrophic than that? He is unprepared and is damaging the country more than anyone could.”
    ..
    I can only conclude that you are delusional or ignorant of the facts. Where exactly were you from 2001 – 2009 when W, the worst president in our nation’s history, was busy destroying our country? He wrecked our economy, military and pissed on our constitution, without a peep from you, I’m sure. Given your bombastic proclamations, you can’t be taken seriously.

  • freeinpa

    fandaelis:

    I agree with 3xfire3. Sacredh is not a bad guy, everyone has faults his just happens that he is a liberal. But as liberals go he is a decent guy.

  • apr2563

    It was Sarah who said she was choosen by God to run for VP. You are the one that compared her perceived persecution to Christ.

  • apr2563

    sacredh good luck car hunting. I find that task intimidating and exhausting. Car salesmen look at me and see woman: We can sell her anything.

  • kbanginmotown

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  • fandaelis

    @doonerundgewitter – well, I have dual citizenship, originally born in Brazil (Portuguese my first language – and since 2008 I am back living in Brazil – but I still vote in the USA). And yes, I do not take the time to check my spelling in this discussion. We are not on a word spelling competition here, did you know that? As for the substance of your statement. Well, not only you but also @diecash1 and others, must be of liberal or socialist or maybe even communist thinking! Bush was bad because he was not fiscally conservative, but Obama is ten times worst! And for God’s sake, what did he do to fix anything? Close Guantanamo? Pushing and passing the “Stimulus package?” Well, the unemployment was around 8% back then, it is up to 10% (and there are plenty of reports, that the unemployment rate is actually higher because many people are not longer filing for unemployment, I know that be truth because my son is one of them).

  • deconstructiva

    …sacred, good luck with car hunt. Can you find something deer-resistant? Maybe a semi-fuel efficient SUV can be converted into a Hummer-esque deer fighting machine by a friend or good body shop. Perhaps take some steel beams, tubing, and strategically placed plate armor, weld / bolt them into a rollbar-type assembly over the front, and then paint to match the body. With this you can stare down those annoying deer in headlights: “Go ahead, make my day.”

  • stuartzechman

    freeinpa:
    .
    Not to be disagreeable, but I don’t think that you know very much about the extreme left-wing in this country to make that judgment.
    .
    The extreme left-wing consists of various Maoist organizations like the RCP, the assh*les and idiots at ANSWER (“Stop War and End Racism Now!”), the time-wasting fools at Code Pink, the Black Liberation Theology proponents at the UCC church, etc.
    .
    If it ain’t literally socialism and beyond, it ain’t the extreme left-wing. I fight these morons all of the time, I know.

  • logicalmayhem14

    Ok, you two clearly both missed my point. It was not that I’m attacking Palin’s position, it was rusty’s assertion that that position demonstrated her depth of knowledge. A policy of diplomacy before military action is extremely general and can be applied to almost any rogue nation. If she wanted to show depth on Iran she could have talked about things like the green movement, the stalled nuclear deal with Iran, Russia, & France, the infighting between Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, etc. (to be fair to Palin, I didn’t watch the O’Reilly interview and its possible she did talk about these things, all I was going on was rusty’s quote).

    And fandaelis – what are you even talking about? Name one democrat who said we can talk the terrorists into being good. Why did this topic even switch to terrorism? It was originally about Palin’s response on Iran.

  • fandaelis

    @pintortwo, @sacredh, @3xfire3, @freeinpa – liberals frequently belittle, distort, make fun of, etc … with those who base their beliefs on the true God, the Father of Jesus Christ. The foundation of my stands are built on those beliefs. They include the belief that the individual mut be strong and free, must rely on himself for his own sufficiency, and so on. So, that is why I asked them to tell what is the source of what they believe. I am not evangelical, but I know that when they attack and make fun of evangelical, they are casting a net that cover all Christian believers. If I said something that offended you, @sacredh I apologize. If you just read a few of the comments here, they establish what I am saying. They make fun of those who include God in their statement. They want to shut me up! Just read the comments! Nobody will shut me up!

  • logicalmayhem14

    That you make a point to emphasis Obama’s middle name shows your unconditional bias.

  • fandaelis

    @Matt, and who or what do you believe in? The left wing views? Communism? Socialism? What do you believe? Do you support Obama?

  • notfooledbydistractions

    That doesn’t make it quality programming. A lot of people watch Jersey Shore…

    (probably a lot of the same audience watching fox)

  • jymallyn

    The Moral Majority also has their Poster Child.

    He is Sarah Palin’s bastard grandson.

    Very appropriate.

  • notfooledbydistractions

    No thanks, I’d rather stick rusty nails in my eyes and railroad spikes in my ears.

    She has nothing to offer on the level of informed and/or intelligent punditry.

  • apr2563

    My sense is that Sarah Palin will never run for President.
    1. As it stands now, she never has to do a press conference but can communicate by Facebook and Fox.
    2. She enjoys the attention without the responsibility.
    3. The money is too good.
    4. Leaving the Governorship was one way to step into her new career without having to do the pesky work of governing.
    5. She can continue to pretend she is a populist “real American” and wont have to contend with the “unreal America”.

  • diecash1

    fandaelis — “…those who base their beliefs on the true God, the Father of Jesus Christ.”
    ..
    This is why many belittle religious fundamentalists such as yourself. You realize that you have only your faith to back up this statement, nothing else.
    ..
    You might also be surprised to know that Muslim fundamentalists (aka “terrorists”) tend to base their actions on the belief that their faith and their God is the one true God and the one true path……..

  • apr2563

    I hope her bra is on her chest.

  • fandaelis

    @logicalmayhem … you do not see the parallel between Iran and terrorism? As for naming one Democrat who believe into talking terrorist into being good: Obama. He is not the only one. He so believes on his oratory skills than he thinks he can convince Ahmadinejad to change his ways, even on the campaign he was promoting that. You also forgot that O’Reilly asked what would she do to stop Iran from doing what is doing. Her reply, was “to start with sanctions and diplomacy.” A tipical politician usually does not answer a question but goes around the question. She answered the question. Like I said before I did not like her answer.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    I missed Palin’s debut yesterday but have no doubt that she did very well. Roger Ailes knows how to get the people to tune in to Fox News.

    The people he is targeting will follow Palin. Heck, even the people he is not targeting will find her intriguing, I do!

    As a woman, I am incredibly pleased by her strength and indomitable spirit. She has grit and that is an incredible quality.

    Also, despite the media hoopla, I do not think she is less intelligent than McCain.
    Did McCain not graduate at the bottom of his class? Did he not by regurgitating a memorized remark sink his Presidential run… emmm.. something about the economy being strong?

    I feel sorry for anyone who undermines Sarah Palin’s appeal. She is not looking for hard core liberals… If the Democrats are not careful, she will capture the Independents who are looking for any option to the DC good old boys network and
    those seeking to end hard core old Washington politics style.

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/technology-savvy-nigerian-criminals-are-the-greatest-threat-to-national-security/

  • Ivy_B

    sacred, just did a little google search and discovered that the deer whistles I was told about years ago seem not to work. Try for steel plating! Good luck.

  • fandaelis

    @diecash1 – “You realize that you have only your faith to back up this statement, nothing else.” First, biblically the words “faith” and “beliefs” are distinct. I do base my statements one hundred percent on my beliefs. On what do you base your statements? On your great and superior intellect? Or perhaps you keep with everything and read just about everything? Do you know who writes those “articles,” or “books,” or whatever? Human beings. On what to you base your statements?

  • notfooledbydistractions

    The liberal view, is simply to dismiss her 1. because she is a woman and 2. because she is a conservative voice. The problem with this liberal tactic, is that it will fly right back into their face with rejection from the vast majority of Americans. It could even produce a ground swell of support as Sarah becomes more known, and she speaks out more on issues and concerns.

    Sorry rusty, your explanation is a little ridiculous.

    My dismissal of palin had nothing to do with the fact that she’s a woman – as a woman myself, I am anxious to see intelligent, highly qualified women in leadership positions. But I am insulted by empty headed women that think that knowing little of anything, making snarky pointless comments, and winking to the cameras will be enough to secure that leadership role. Liberal or conservative makes no difference to me – it’s substance, my friend, substance. An that disqualified Ms. Palin almost immediately.

  • freeinpa

    Given that the show has definite time breaks, the format doesn’t lend itself to long winded responses. That may be part of her appeal to most Americans, a short exact answer that fully describes the policy.

    I suppose John Kerry would have given a 20 minute long winded response that would have been summarized into sanctions, diplomacy and military action.

    You ask the Republican the time she gives you the time. You ask the Democrat the time, he tells you how to build a clock.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    And yet your positions are closer to those than centrist America

  • fandaelis

    @lawyermommy – Sarah is not less intelligent than Obama. The left likes to equate “oratory skills” with intelligence. And they also like to measure intelligence by the way they think, that is, their left wing views. And their “modus operandi” is demean, make fun, belittle, etc … Why? They want to shut those who disagree with them. Again, those of us with conservative beliefs will not be shut by the left.

  • logicalmayhem14

    Are there parallels between Iran and terrorism? Sure. But to suggestion the same solution will work for both, or that we should even think of them in conjunction, is nonsense. This is part of the problem in our discussion; too many people lump Iran, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and the Taliban together like they’re the same. They’re not.

    And you say Obama thinks he can talk the terrorists into being good with his oratory skills … oh is that why he just sent 30,000 more American troops into harms way to kill Al Qaeda? You have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • freeinpa

    fandaelis:

    You should soon realize that the ignorant make fun of what they don’t understand and fear.

    You will also should discover that diecash1 always fights outside her weight class

  • diecash1

    I can always count on you to step up and demonstrate your unadulterated ignorance. Keep up the good work!
    ..
    Furthermore, it is absolutely ignorant and arrogant to suggest that YOUR God is the “one true God.” Feel free to prove that one. Sheer idiocy though it’s good to she that the fundamentalist wingers here have so much in common with the terrorists!

  • shepherdwong

    ”The liberal view, is simply to dismiss her 1. because she is a woman and 2. because she is a conservative voice.”
    .
    The important fact is that the “conservative” base view was instant adoration of that lying, ignorant, self-promoting, unaccomplished beauty queen (OK, she’s pretty accomplished for a beauty queen) they knew absolutely nothing about just because their authoritarian leaders told them to.

  • fandaelis

    @diecash1 – ["I can always count on you to step up and demonstrate your unadulterated ignorance. Keep up the good work!
    .
    Furthermore, it is absolutely ignorant and arrogant to suggest that YOUR God is the "one true God." Feel free to prove that one. Sheer idiocy though it's good to she that the fundamentalist wingers here have so much in common with the terrorists!"]

    …………….

    Well, you proved my point. First, you still did not state the source of your core beliefs. What is the source of your beliefs? Yourself? Your reading? Your intelligence? What is it?
    Second, how many gods are there? 30? 50? The Bible states there is only one TRUE GOD! Is the Bible wrong?

    As for proving anything. Proving has to do with one’s set of beliefs. And the Bible says that the natural man (or secular man – meaning secular human beings) can not understand spiritual matters (I Corinthians 2:14). So, you are right, there is no way I am proving anything to you. We are here to declare what we believe in light of political events and we do that by stating what we believe. And I have no problem declaring on what I base my beliefs.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Two things. First, I am not a Conservative. I am an Independent.

    Secondly, intellect is a key ingredient for effective governance and when raised by the Democrats or anyone , it is always and will remain a valid issue.

    If by oratory, you are referencing our able President, please note that I voted for him because he is intelligent, outstanding and incredibly articulate. Anyone running for the office of President should possess such qualities.

    My point was that Sarah Palin is intriguing and not the dumb rock many in the media paint her to be. I buttressed this point by comparing her to McCain. The one with the creepy smile, short arms and weird looking hair. I believe she is much more intelligent than he is!

    Palin has incredible grit and a style which she refuses to change or compromise. For any woman, especially as so many women do not have that quality, I think in Palin, it is truly admirable. It is also an admirable quality in Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and even Nancy Grace :) etc.

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/technology-savvy-nigerian-criminals-are-the-greatest-threat-to-national-security/

  • stuartzechman

    freeinpa:
    .
    There is no “centrist America”.
    .
    There are either people who are closer to the popular right, like you, or people who are closer to the popular left, like me.
    .
    There are people who are less extreme in the majority of their views, there are people who can at least acknowledge when the other side has a case, there are people who are ignorant of it all, and therefore don’t really fall anywhere.
    .
    None of that is centrism. Centrism as practiced by politicians and political institutions is a real, live political philosophy, not the moderate version of some other ideology, which is why there can be radical, extreme centrists (like the ones in charge of the Democratic party).
    .
    There is no mythical “center”. That’s why the professional centrists bemoan the “polarization” of America. They’ve been forced to deal with the reality that they have no popular constituency.
    .
    Am I closer to ANSWER than you? What’s the issue? What’s your opinion of the last Democratic bank bailout?
    .
    If you think that the government is currently doing bad things as it meddles in the economy, then you probably are as close to ANSWER (even though they are fools and scum) as I am on that issue. The Beltway centrist political/media class, on the other hand, hold a position on the government’s relationship to market actors that’s different than both of ours, and so they wholeheartedly support the rescue of the banksters. We may ultimately disagree on what the government should do, but we both know what’s going on now is wrong. That puts us both at odds with the unpopular, technocratic center.
    .
    Most folks where I live are closer to those idiots at ANSWER than they are to you, even though we still like Bloomberg to run the city. It’s the same in lots of places. Ultimately, the popular right and popular left live off of regional identification, and proximity (or lack thereof) to rural past more than anything.
    .
    The bottom line is that I’m not the “extreme left”, and Bill Clinton isn’t a liberal, either. It’s also true that we, the popular right and left, have more to agree about than we’re given by mass media to understand, and we could probably stop these centrist fools from wrecking the country even more, if we were to stop being tribal for a few seconds. That would mean that we would have to stop screaming “Racist! Racist!” for a few seconds, and you’d have to put your copy of “Treason” by Ann Coulter down for a minute or two, though.

  • fandaelis

    @lawyermommy ["If by oratory, you are referencing our able President, please note that I voted for him because he is intelligent, outstanding and incredibly articulate."]

    ——–

    How did you arrive at the conclusion that Obama “is intelligent” or “outstanding?” And, by the way, “incredibly articulate” is a good quality in order to convince people, it does not necessarily show what one will do. Are you happy with the STIMULUS PACKAGE? Are you happy with Obama’s appointments? How about his excessive number of CZARS? Like Van Jones and Kevin Jennings? Are you happy with his association with ACORN? Well, those are just a few things. Tell me, for example, when Obama was claiming he would be a “post-partisan” President, did he mean that? Why, then, he has shown to be an extreme partisan President?

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    I have to digest a little longer what you wrote. But if you are correct, that is sad for our country.

    PS I sold my copy of “Treason” for $0.50 on ebay

  • http://randomkirk.wordpress.com randomkirk

    The refence wasn’t just to Nixon, but Reagan as well. I realize that is small comfort to the uber-left, but Reagan was called “The Great Communicator” for a reason.

  • shepherdwong

    That’s exactly correct. Liberals wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about Palin if the slobbering right base wasn’t prepared to give her significant political power. And her most serious flaw (beside her bottomless mendacity) isn’t a lack of raw intelligence but, like Bush, a deeply ignorant and incurious intellect. Things can always be learned if one has a desire to know things but her complete disinterest in knowing or understanding, at her age, constitutes a complete disqualification for executive leadership.

  • tyketto

    Mascot? Well, then Obama is TIME’s mascot since he’s been the cover, what? 10,000 times in a year? You guys really get off looking at his pic I see.

    Does anyone even read your rag anymore besides brainless libs?

  • apr2563

    fan: You get something stuck in your programmed head, and like spob, you think repeating it will make it so. Yes, I am happy with the stimulus package. So are Republican reps and governors (Jindal) who disparged the package and now are taking credit for the money and jobs coming to their states. I am happy with his appointments. They are based on merit and not religious and political purity tests. Van Jones and Kevin Jennings were the victims of the right conflating their past into mistruths and the press not pushing back. ACORN has been exhonerated. Bush had more CZARS than Obama. It is a stupid title that has been around since Reagan. Ask the liberals how happy we are with Obama’s futile outreach to the Republicans.

  • diecash1

    Well mindless troll, what does it say about you that you’re here posting on the blog?

  • fandaelis

    @apr2563 – WOW! Your comments show that you are not even in the same pace with the independents or middle of the road people. And you promote outright lies: ACORN exhonorated? Have you seen the videos? Have you followed the lawsuits on illegal election activities? POLITICO is not a right wing site, on the contrary, it is quite liberal, and they reported on the excesses of the CZAR appointments of the Obama administration, they actually made a list. No prior administrations had as many. Not only that, no prior administration had appointed outright socialists and communists. And the STIMULUS PACKAGE? Again, ABC, not a middle of the road and certainly not on the right of center network, reported on some of the invented DISTRICTS and other invented jobs that the stimulus package was producing. And how about Obama statement, before the passage of the STIMULUS PACKAGE, that if not passed we would see the end of the world so to speak, but if passed, unemployment would not go beyond 8%?? How about his promise of post-partisan? You live in a dream land!

  • redteam2

    apr2563
    “Then it became too clear that Palin was woefully unprepared for the VP position.”

    and when did it become evident that Obama is woefully unprepared for the P position?

    for those wondering:
    obama’s plan on Iran is to have a plan….., one day.
    without preconditions, of course.

    mgecan: very interesting statement…

    “I assume the ratings numbers were up for Fox during Caribou Barbie’s appearance so the only conceivable reason for hiring her have, so far, proved justified. I’ve made a decision not to watch Fox during her appearances,”

    So….you’re saying PMSNBC hired matthews,olberman and maddox to LOWER their numbers? That’s the only conceivable reason…right? well, they’ve certainly succeeded.
    and I haven’t made a decision to not watch them when they’re on, I made the decision to never watch PMSNBC ever…….and that’s been very easy to accomplish..

  • http://www.partyof1.net/2010/01/13/palin-debuts-on-fox-news/ Party of 1 » Blog Archive » Palin Debuts on Fox News

    [...] the Time magazine website’s “Swampland” blog, Michael Scherer looks at Sarah Palin’s debut on Fox News Tuesday evening with a jaundiced eye. In a nutshell, it [...]

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    High on her chest, unlike yours, which is probably closer to your waist.
    .
    Sorry, but you asked for that.

  • apr2563

    Will somebody tell 2ndthird rock, who thinks I am “old hag” not worthy of being taken seriously, I don’t worry about bras. I have had a radical masdectomy.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    And a lobotomy to boot. And obviously still heavily medicated.
    .
    Don’t dish it out if you can’t take. Hag!

  • apr2563

    Someone please tell 2ndthirdrock who thinks I am an “old hag” not worthy of having an opinion to stay classy. Oh, and his mother wears army boots.

  • http://deathby1000papercuts.com/headlines/2010/01/time-sneering-at-sarah-palin-fox-news-to-a-shrinking-audience/ DBKP FLASH Headline News » TIME: Sneering at Sarah Palin, Fox News To a Shrinking Audience

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  • abdullah69

    Anyone who thinks Fox do not believe they can create a President is surely mistaken. Sarah will be a serious contender by 2012.

  • springer67

    Oh you discernment-challenged liberals. ALL your talk, critic and criticism of Sarah Palin is worthy for the dung heap of the century. If anybody still does not know by now what a “community organizer” does, look only at what happen to Sarah Palin before she was asked to be the VP for Sen. McCain and what happen to her after the election. By the way, read her book and you find out what CHARACTER and HONESTY looks like in real life, compared to what you see in the WH today. All that happen to her is a living example of assassination, political, character and otherwise. You liberals, can you live with that when very soon the political shoe is on the other foot? Have you any decency, honor, common sense and humanity left?, or have you sunken so low that only destruction makes you happy? Your community organizer has all ready condemned millions of Americans to the poor house and many more millions are on the way. Does this hope and change community organizer give you confidence for a better tomorrow?, while he destroys this countries institutions today, one by one on purpose? Do you really want to live under a communist ruler, because that is where this thing is headed unless Americans stand up and stop this insanity.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    My mother died in a car crash when I was four. A long time ago, don’t recall what she was wearing on her feet when they buried her.
    .
    Not offended. You couldn’t possibly have known.

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  • martingifford

    Michael Scherer,

    I just wanted to say, those first three paragraphs were superbly written.

    Thanks,
    Martin Gifford.

  • http://justabovesunset.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/the-media-coup/ The Media Coup « Just Above Sunset

    [...] But this was also the week Sarah Palin joined Fox News, and that was big news, as Michael Scherer notes at Time: [...]

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  • Ike Jakson

    You guys sure devote a lot of Time and money to discredit someone who is as useless as you describe Miss Sarah to be.

    What are you scared of?

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