In the Arena

Obama as Jeffersonian Carterite? Hmmm.

Walter Russell Mead, usually a very fine foreign policy thinker, has a piece in the new issue of Foreign Policy that sort of compares Barack Obama to Jimmy Carter…and to Thomas Jefferson in his attitudes about America’s place in the world. I don’t find it very convincing. Here’s Mead’s definition of a Jeffersonian foreign policy:

Jeffersonians… want the United States to minimize its commitments and, as much as possible, dismantle the national-security state.

That doesn’t sound very much like Obama to me.

In fact, none of Mead’s four historic foreign policy tendencies really fit. Obama is certainly not an (Andrew) Jacksonian–a national strength defense hawk. But he does have some qualities of (Woodrow) Wilsonian idealism and even more of (Alexander) Hamiltonian realism:

Hamiltonians share the first Treasury secretary’s belief that a strong national government and a strong military should pursue a realist global policy and that the government can and should promote economic development and the interests of American business at home and abroad.

Mead sees evidence of Jeffersonianism in Obama’s lengthy Afghan policy review, his attempt to negotiate with Iran and his tentative tilt away from Israel in the middle east. I’m not so sure. Obama did send a mixed message in his Afghan policy, announcing an escalation…and proposing a de-escalation. But the former was far more solid than the latter: I’d guess that July 2011 will allow some of the safer, non-Taliban areas to be transferred to Afghan control (the Germans may be able to leave Mazar-e-Sharif, for example), but the troops fighting in Pashtun/Taliban areas in the south and east won’t be going anywhere. What made the extended review so…extended was Obama’s stubborn effort to push the US military, against its wishes, into the quickest possible deployment so that he will have a full fighting-season to determine whether the Afghan policy is plausible or not. Meanwhile, he has added 50,000 troops. He has vastly increased the U.S. commitment to helping Pakistan both militarily–but with greater restraints than Bush provided–and with an historic boost in economic and humnanitarian aid. That does not seem very Jeffersonian to me; it’s the opposite of a retreat from the region. It’s the announcement of a long-term partnership.

As for Iran, Obama did spend his first year attempting to negotiate with the regime…but Mead’s contention that the President saw this as his equivalent of Nixon’s opening to China is just dead wrong. Iran is a much smaller piece of the puzzle than China was–and Obama has used his willingness to negotiate as a tactic to bring the rest of the world on board for a new round of sanctions, given Iran’s refusal to play (he may succeed, even with Russia and China, according to the latest reports). That isn’t very Jeffersonian, either. It is a ramping up of U.S. involvement with Iran–going to war isn’t the only option–and a Wilsonian embrace of multilateral institutions like Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the UN Security Council. (As is Obama’s commitment to the global climate change talks, which Mead doesn’t mention.)

As for the middle east peace process, Obama’s first attempt to bring Israel and the Palestinians to the table was his most significant–and embarrassing–failure. But it can hardly be considered Jeffersonian. It is more of a return to the realism practiced during the George H.W. Bush Administration, an attempt to achieve a more balanced presence in the region that also presupposes an enduring U.S. involvement in the negotiations, not a retreat.

In fact, Mead’s load-bearing supposition–that Obama is more interested in domestic policy and wants to retreat from the world so he can pay more attention to perfecting our democracy–is very much open to debate. It’s been my strong impression, confirmed by the President’s closest aides, that Obama is obsessed with foreign policy. He sees himself as uniquely positioned, given his childhood overseas and his multi-ethnic heritage, to make some real progress in settling some of the world’s more vexing problems, especially those that involve the Muslim world. That’s certainly a Wilsonian aspiration, but he is also very much aware of the limits of the possible (and who wouldn’t be after the George W. Bush fiasco)–in a way that can be described as Hamiltonian realism. He hasn’t hammered the Chinese on human rights (he didn’t even meet with the Dalai Lama), but he has nudged the Chinese toward a more active role in Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Korea and perhaps Iran.

The overall vision seems just right. Obama’s Nobel address–delivered, most likely, after Mead wrote this piece–seems a brilliantly balanced presentation of the principles that should undergird an activist American foreign policy. The problem is implementation. Obama is going to have to be a very wise tactician to make his strategy work. His middle east fiasco demonstrates that may have some problems in that regard. And that is where, I suppose, Carter comes in: if Obama, in the end, seems more wimpy than purposeful, if the world is too tough for him, he will seem Carteresque–although even that is unfair, given Carter’s successful middle east peace effort and his decision to place Pershing missiles in Europe.

The appearance of wimpiness is a potential problem for Obama, especially given the ravings of the current crop of  Jackson-Wilson neocon fantasists. George H. W. Bush was, famously, called a wimp, too. But Bush was probably the most adept foreign policy President since Eisenhower. Now that Obama has established that America is, once again, willing to work with the rest of the world, he has the leeway to be more forceful in 2010. How he uses this power–in his dealings with the Chinese, Iranians, Israelis and all the rest–will determine how successful he is in managing America’s restoration as a global diplomatic force. This is anything but the Jeffersonian retreat the Mead suggests.

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  • jcapan

    I’m sorry. Still on my 1st cup of matcha in the land of the rising loincloth:

    “But Bush was probably the most adept foreign policy President since Eisenhower”

    WTF?

  • nflfoghorn

    GHWB headed up the CIA at one time – too bad he didn’t pass on those little secrets to his offspring.

  • square1

    It is more of a return to the realism practiced during the George H.W. Bush Administration

    Bingo. Of the modern Presidents, Obama clearly most resembles G.H.W.B.

    Obama is obviously a more inspirational orator. But once you strip away the style and look at the substance, Obama and Bush pere are remarkably similar in their political conservatism.

    I doubt most journalists will acknowledge this, since it requires admitting that liberal Democrats have political power, but if Obama is a one-and-done single-term President, his downfall will far more resemble Bush’s than Carter’s. Like Obama may be, Bush was undone by an angry and disappointed party base that resented having been lied to on the campaign trail (“Read my lips”).

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    He means Bush I…

  • jcapan

    Thanks Paul–I missed the H. I’ll blame the lack of caffeine.
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    In that case, I’d reluctantly agree. But over the last 60 years there hasn’t been much about US fo-po that I’ve liked.

  • nflfoghorn

    I think there’s a difference between not doing what some supporters expected and doing the opposite of what you promised. It’s like any new job – you can talk about doing thus-and-so all you want but you don’t really know what you can/can’t do until you actually get in there.

  • nflfoghorn

    Just for the record, does this make Bush 43 a Nixonian Simpsonite? D’oh!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    As Joe Klein sort of observes and as Dick Cheney’s antics make crystal clear, the people who want to pressure Obama into a more hawkish stance must first begin by grossly mischaracterizing his current approach as dovish. Needless to say, it’s incredibly dishonest and given the actual nature of Obama’s approach can only be regarded as dangerous. The primary difference I see between Obama and the Cheneyites is that Obama recognizes that in order to prevail in the long run, we need to not only defeat our enemies but avoid becoming them in the process.

    Nothing could inspire more well deserved scorn than to have the USA under BushCo attempt to lecture foreign regimes about the treatment of prisoners and human rights in general. The idea that we need to be a model for other countries to emulate isn’t just a pipe-dream. It’s essential for our eventual success.

  • Matt

    Maybe we ought to let the guy finish a term before we talk about foreign policy legacies…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • kbanginmotown

    Mmmmmm….foreign policy!
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    FTW!

  • jcapan

    From a provocative piece last week, Patrick Deneen:

    “The choice facing America today is grim: it shows every sign of a willingness to embrace the Chinese model, a model it will likely choose to remain “competitive,” but also daily demonstrates its habits of blandishing a citizenry that demands to be coddled. The “democracy” continues to demand its fair share of a dwindling pie, an expected denoument when citizens have been redefined as “consumers.” I wager that in 10 years’ time, the nation will either have sunk itself beneath the untenable weight of continuing payment of a bribe that could never be sustained – and will look like a third world “banana republic” – or, it will have “successfully” made the transition to another regime, an form of autocratic capitalism in which the State will change the terms of the bribe, paying us with materialist distractions in exchange for our political rights and equality. I daily see signs of both prospects, and can’t clearly discern at the moment which will arise. Either way, our culmination is grim, for in either event we will cease in any real sense to be a Republic.

    But, that may have happened long ago. We may never have been a Republic. We may have always been an Empire – or at least our tendency was tilted in that direction – and only became better at it over time. We have only imperfectly, and occasionally been truly self-governing. And, I sadly acknowledge at the end of an old year, the prospects for self-governance in this careening modern world have never been dimmer.”

    http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=7782

  • square1

    My personal sense is that Obama isn’t wimpy so much as naive and timid. He lacks an understanding that bold change requires bold action. Whatever you want to say about the neocons — and I can say a lot of nasty stuff — at least they get that if you want big results you need big actions.

    Obama seems to believe that he can fundamentally alter international relations merely by capably pursuing the tried and true methods of diplomatic bureaucracy.

    Obama seems to lack a bold vision of how to enact change. Yes, sometimes you can work with opponents. But sometimes opponents need to be removed, as they are merely obstacles in your path.

    For example, Benjamin Netanyahu is going to stymie all efforts of Obama to achieve I/P peace through a two-state solution. And yet, I can virtually guarantee you that Obama is NOT secretly plotting on how to undermine Likud. The reverse is almost certainly not true. Netanyahu will actively undermine Obama’s efforts, embarrass him, emasculate him, all in order to stave off any progress on the peace front until a U.S. President that is more sympathetic to neo-conservatism is elected.

  • shepherdwong

    To me, Obama looks like a plain ol’ pragmatist – to the bone. Perhaps the past 9 years has made that seem strange. Me, I prefer my foreign policy without much ideology.
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    Anyway, why isn’t his style pretty much like any modern Democrat? Jimmy Carter certainly (and just about as lucky so far) but why not Bill Clinton? Peacemaker first, reluctant interventionist second.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    The problem with what you say is that we watched the neocons take bold action and that sharp right turn plowed right into a tree. the problem with being a hammer is that you have to look at everything like a nail otherwise you must accept your impotence. Now, while you see Obama as acting on the tried and true, but I disagree. America’s foreign policy has always been driven by a belief in white supremacy at home and abroad. Now you have the leader of the free world respecting the dignity of all people and clearly that is not only new its really bold action because it inspires people all over the world and takes away the one ability of opponents to tamp down political unrest among their own people by turning their attention away from internal inadequacies by serving up American enemies. Well that nationalist card isn’t so effectively played these days and people around the world are asking their leaders where is their Obama. While we don’t know how this will end up, we know its new and since white supremacy has always been the default position of this nation we may be in for quite a surprise.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    MY question is what is it about journalists that make them want to always force something or someone to fit into one historical box or another? Is it just a matter of flexing your intellectual muscles by making these absurd connections that no one else has made yet so that you can get you 5 minutes at the top of the thread heap?
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    This obsession to prove that this year is like 94 — not, to make Obama like Carter — not, to make obamacare like hillarycare — not, I mean this obsession with the box, including corralling progressives and wingnuts is not only absurd its counter productive. Here’s a tip for all of you. This is the first African American president in our history. By virtue of the sum total of his experiences living in two worlds all of his life the development of a bilingual sensibility is automatic.This president honed the ability to read between the lines before he could read and waking up in the morning with a plan B is as natural as breathing. Unlike, so many leaders before us who have underestimated the unknown he is aware of his limitations and seeks to fill blind spots with those who can answer his questions and he knows how to ask them. This is new for our country and perhaps if we didn’t spend so much of our time trying to pigeon hole him into something that makes us feel more comfortable because we believe if we can label him with a familiar name we can control the outcome. If only we could actually take the time to pay attention to wait and see what he turns out to be we might actually learn something about our selves and our nation that would make us better citizens and Joe Klein would certainly make you and the rest of your brethren better journalists.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    You forget that in the environment Obama is operating in, taking a few weeks to formulate a decision IS a bold action. Like his final approach to Afghanistan or not , the fact that he refused to be bullied into a hasty reaction, was itself a significant exertion of control and as such represents a significant swing from the previous status quo.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    to fit into one historical box or another?

    It’s like the joke about the prisoners who have all been together so long that they tell each other joke by simply reciting their number. In this case all the author has to do is say “Carter” and a whole string of associations meaning ‘weak’ ‘ineffectual’ ‘excessively thoughtful’ and ultimately ‘loser’ come into play. And in his other formulation, Jacksonian=Cheneyesque which carries all the connotation we associate with a Bull in a China shop, destroying everything in its path in the name of “doing something rather than dithering”

  • http://melissasouza.wordpress.com melissasouza

    Joe, I couldn’t agree with you more. I started reading Professor Mead’s piece and I confess I left it after the first few paragraphs. This business of compartimentalizing approaches to anything–this is “Jeffersonian”, that is “Hamiltonian”, then over there we have the “Wilsonians” and there, the “Jacksonians”, etc–is, sorry to say, not only silly, but misleading. Human thoughts and actions are way too complex to be put neatly into boxes like this; for example, Professor Mead contradicts himself when he places the current Birther-Tea Party wing of the Republican Party into an isolationist “populist-Jacksonian” camp; these were the people who supported the Iraq War, of all things. And, yes, any common sense observer can notice quite clearly that Obama loves the foreign stage and relishes foreign policy. He has been his most eloquent,
    “in his element”, so to speak, on the foreign stage, with his speeches in Cairo, Prague and his superb Nobel speech. This is an internationalist President, no doubt about it. And he is no wimp.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Don’t forget that this authors motivation isn’t so much to describe ‘what is’ as to influence ‘what he’d like to have be”. He probably doesn’t actually believe that Obama want to dismantle the National-Security State (not to be confused with the Military-Industrial Complex) but he’s anxious to encourage Obama to prove him wrong.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    And furthermore, it takes a a style of thought worthy of Orwell to refer to a foreign policy approach as ‘muscular.’ We all know that this is a thinly sanitized synonym for ‘explosive’ or ‘lethal’.

  • Cliff

    In general I agree with you, square1, but I don’t go along with your description of Obama at all.
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    I don’t think he’s timid, I think his reaction to most developments is, “Whoa, let’s not get too hasty. Let’s think this over.”
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    We saw this in the election, where the McCain campaign would fire off shot after shot against him, and he never seemed to respond adequately.
    But yet here we are – with Obama as President.
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    I also don’t think Obama wants to enact sweeping changes. I think we need some, and I think he gave the impression during his campaign that he was going to work on that, but he’s more concerned with patching holes in the ship rather than changing its course.

  • formerlyjames

    It is necessary to shove Obama into a political philosophical box? Or Big Bush, or Little Bush? Carter, Clinton. Seriously, dream on. They got there and are there and are what they are on their own. This is laughable, fun time in the ivory towers.
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    Interesting observations here anyway.

  • formerlyjames

    One last thought before sign off. Today, Jefferson would have to be a part of the bizarre right wing hypocracy. Hamilton would be a dirty hippy. That is my intellectual summary. Good night all.

  • square1

    The problem with what you say is that we watched the neocons take bold action and that sharp right turn plowed right into a tree.
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    Well, if I thought that their ideas were valid, I would be a neocon, wouldn’t I? Obviously they have a lot of dumb-ass ideas. I’m talking about the correlation between big actions and big change.
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    America’s foreign policy has always been driven by a belief in white supremacy at home and abroad.
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    IMO, this is wildly simplistic. America’s foreign policy has traditionally been designed to serve the purposes of the U.S.’s financial elites. And I see little from Obama that indicates that that will change significantly. Yes, his rhetoric will reflect liberal principles of multiculturalism and mutual respect, but I don’t see his policies furthering those goals.
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    Cliff: I wouldn’t read too much into Obama’s victory over McCain. Obama beat a mentally limited septuagenarian and his moronic, female running mate, both of whom were anchored with their party’s ties to the Bush/Cheney administration. McCain even pulled a Perot and suspended his campaign. I’ll give Obama credit for beating Hillary, but beating McCain was a gimme.

  • Cliff

    I’m not trying to pull the hoary old “eleven dimensional chess” nonsense out again, I agree McCain was an incredibly weak candidate.
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    I just feel that the campaign illustrated Obama’s temperament, and that it served him well. Especially after the financial melt down.
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    And there may come a time when Obama does need to take the gloves off in order to get something done. I’m not sure how that will work out for him.

  • michaelfury

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

    - Thomas Jefferson

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-ones-who-attacked-us/

  • frank43

    Umm, who fought the Barbary Pirates? The pigeonholes themselves are beyond unconvincing.

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