Janet Napolitano

Once lost, credibility is a difficult thing to get back. Especially when you hold a position where the public’s safety rides on your instincts and reflexes in a crisis.

The Homeland Security Secretary this morning is trying to walk back yesterday’s bone-headed assertion that the “system worked” in the near-miss that allowed a bomber with explosives in his underwear–someone who was already on a watch list of people with terrorism ties–to board an airplane and nearly blow it out of the sky. In this instance, the “system” came down to luck and the bravery of the suspect’s fellow passengers. The real question is, what was this guy doing on the plane in the first place? We are learning, for instance, that Britain also had the guy under watch and prevented him from even obtaining a visa.

Over at Real Clear Politics, Tom Bevan puts his finger on the problem:

It’s fine for Napolitano to want to reassure the American public that the skies are safe. That’s part of her job, too. But she should be smart enough to find a way of doing that without treating the American people like a bunch of morons and dupes.

Clearly, when a person who has been flagged for investigation of being a suspected terrorist (alerted to the presence of US officials by his father, no less) manages to get through security and take a seat on a US-bound airliner with a bomb strapped to his crotch, the system is not working the way it’s designed to.

The reason we didn’t have a major terror attack over Detroit three days ago is because of the heroism of the passengers on Flight 253 and the fact Abdulmutallab’s bomb had a faulty trigger. Neither of those things are part of “the system” that the government manages to ensure (to the best of its ability) that the public is safe from terrorists when they get on an airplane.

Despite sufficient warnings, that system failed – and the Secretary of Homeland Security made a fool of herself by going on television yesterday and asserting the opposite.

But rather than acknowledging she said something really, really stupid, Napolitano is now insisting she was “taken out of context.”

She wasn’t–as the video here shows. Here’s how she described “the system”:

And one thing I’d like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action. Within literally an hour to 90 minutes of the incident occurring, all 128 flights in the air had been notified to take some special measures in light of what had occurred on the Northwest Airlines flight. We instituted new measures on the ground and at screening areas, both here in the United States and in Europe, where this flight originated.

So the whole process of making sure that we respond properly, correctly and effectively went very smoothly.

So given a chance for a do-over, Napolitano’s response was more spin. At this point, it only seems fair to ask: Does the Obama Administration really have the right person in this very important and sensitive job?

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Does the Obama Administration really have the right person in this very important and sensitive job?

    No.

  • constantweader

    Same question I asked, Karen. I see this as her second disaster. Though this one is a lot more serious, the video of her playing TSA baggage checker at about the same time the Salahis were waltzing into the White House uninvited was the first.

    I’d say the evidence is that a governor from a small state who was happy to cater to the odious Sheriff Joe Arpaio & his particular brand of “homeland security” (rounding up undocumented men & dressing them in ladies’ pink underpants) is not equipped to manage our nation’s security. If President Obama gets on the teevee today — as he’s expected to — & says, “You’ve done a heckova job, Janny,” his nene is cooked, too.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • destor23

    Really sorry for Monday morning quarterbacking your writing Karen but I don’t think we really know that he nearly “blew the plane out of the sky.” Guy’s a total schlamiel, nowhere near as dangerous as all that. Sure, shouldn’t have been on the plane, point taken but he did not almost take the plane down far as I can tell.

  • slowp

    Republican Jim DeMint, keeping American travelers safe…from unions:
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    Senator blocks TSA confirmation over union dispute
    December 3rd, 2009 (CNN)
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    Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, is blocking the confirmation of Erroll Southers to head the Transportation Security Administration, saying Southers would permit screeners to seek full union representation.

  • rustyreturns

    First comment, this is at least the 4th attempt in less than a year of an Obama Administration. 7 years of George Bush Administration’s tenure there were no attacks what-so-ever. We already see a drastic increase in the terrorists’ attempts at killing more Americans. The Obama Administration’s “open arms” policy in treating terrorists, our sworn enemies, with their politically correct soft gloves is not working. With that said, one now wonders what exactly is the “Choosen One” doing in the White House besides doing everything he shouldn’t and none of what he should.
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    Protecting American citizens from the denizens of the world is Job #1 for any President. “To protect and defend not only the constitution, but also the American people” from those who are hell bent on killing us, but destroying our way of life.
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    Failure so far as Obama is concerned on National Security, is very apparent. He is the one that should be held accountable, not Napolitano. While she may be the one who is directly in charge of things, Obama has the overall responsibility. Where is he now? Vacationing in Hawaii. Hmmm. How nice.
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    I am really glad to see that TIME, Inc is doing it’s job in holding them all accountable. I guess we can be somewhat pleased that you do at least finger Napolitano as part of the problem. Now, when can we expect you to also hold Obama to the same standards as you did George Bush II? Like to comment on that Karen? Or, shall we see continued pandering to this Administration?

  • formerlyjames

    The plane was not blown out of the sky only because of a faulty detonator, and could have happened even given the heroic action of passengers.
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    Napolitano’s space cadet response reflects extreme incompetence on her part and is an insult to thinking people. Cabinet members and bureaucrats have been dismissed for much less substantive indications of failure to do their job. She needs to go, and and frankly, some security heads should roll in Amsterdam as well.

  • square1

    If you believe in a zero-tolerance policy with regard to administration officials — sort of how Navy captains lose their ship if they let it run aground, regardless of circumstances — then I suppose it is fair to blame Napolitano.

    But if the media didn’t demand that anyone be held accountable for 9/11, or that Bernanke, Geithner, or Summers be held accountable for the meltdown in the financial sector, then it seems rather odd to blame Napolitano when the guy boarded a plane overseas with a U.S. visa issued by the prior administration.

  • spob

    rusty, I don’t think that it’s fair to criticize KT’s post–it’s a blog post, and she doesn’t control Time’s coverage of this issue.
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    Obama is entitled to take vacations. There are questions about the timeline in which he was informed, and we’ll see if hard questions get asked. There are also questions about why Gibbs, who is supposed to be a straight shooter, swallowed the party line on the “system worked”.
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    As for Obama’s personal responsibility–it is fair to ask whether his outreach efforts are a good idea, or whether they convey weakness.
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    I assume, slowp, that all of your friends in here will criticize you for changing the subject as they do with me. Personally, DeMint’s actions deserve media notice.

  • formerlyjames

    rusty, I wasn’t aware that Obama and Napoli controlled security in Amsterdam where the breakdown started.

  • spob

    I don’t think KT is blaming her for the obvious slip here, but rather the spin and the dissembling. Get that right square1.

  • spob
  • spob

    Here’s DeMint’s side of the story, slowp:
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    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Napolitano-wants-to-unionize-TSA-employees-despite-safety-concerns-80206432.html
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    Maybe this deserves some indepth treatment by Time.

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  • allthingsinaname

    The whole administration has been on the defensive since it has been put in place. As far as Janet Napolitano goes, she has been a non starter from the start

  • square1

    BTW, Karen, it is fairly obvious that she was taken out of context. As the quote you provided shows, the “system” she was talking about was the system of responding to an incident:

    So the whole process of making sure that we respond properly, correctly and effectively went very smoothly.

    While the media and the rustys of the world have the luxury of pretending that we can guarantee 100% success at averting incidents, Napolitano’s job is to expect the best and prepare for the worst.

    As we saw on 9/11, the first sign of trouble is not necessarily the last. At this point it seems that Abdulmutallab’s attack was not part of a broader terrorist plan, so it is easy to criticize Napolitano for making a seemingly stupid and ass-covering remark. But if there had been three or four more Abdulmutallabs on Christmas then the fact that the response system worked would not seem as laughably unimportant.

  • slowp

    Rusty’s right: Bush is waaaay ahead on this score.
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    Deaths on American soil by terrorist attack:
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    George W Bush: 2,998
    Barack Obama: 0

  • rustyreturns

    We can agree to disagree. I find that the vast majority of not only Karen’s blog postings are free of any criticism for Obama himself, and finger pointing abounds towards those in his Administration. This blog posting is case in point, period. The lame stream media, represented by Tumulty will continue to give him a pass, and Americans will pay the price in lives lost. While the complete opposite was the case so far as Bush’s term was concerned. The left-wing media would have been all over him, had the same been true during his administration. I am sure by now, shouts from the far left media would have been calling for impeachment had Bush allowed as many attempts occur during his watch.
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    When the media begins to hold Obama accountable, then and only then will we see any real changes occur. The changes being how Obama perceives the world, and the actions that he takes. But, what can you expect from a less than 1 term Senator from the most corrupt State in the Union and the figure-head of the far left loons who want political correctness to rule the day no matter what.
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    I am simply pointing out the bias which is so prevalent not only here in the swamp, but overall in the left controlled media.

  • kristiia

    Karen – MSNBC reported that he was on a watch list in Britain because an immigration issue, not terrorism. He was not on a British watch list based on terrorism so that claim is just bogus BUT, of course, this is the time when bogus claims get thrown around like confetti.

  • allthingsinaname

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    The conference bill included more than $4 billion for “screening operations,” including $1.1 billion in funding for explosives detection systems, including $778 million for buying and installing the systems.

  • http://melissasouza.wordpress.com melissasouza

    I agree completely, she WAS talking about the response to the system. Having said that, I think she was annoyingly cavalier in her tone about the whole affair. I watched her on State of the Union, and when Candy Crowley asked her about how this guy got on the plane in the first place, having been placed on a terror watch list and having his own father finger him to our people in Nigeria, she just nonchalantly brushed the whole thing off, with some hogwash about how there wasn’t “sufficient” information to place him on a no-fly list, etc. Her response should have been much more forceful and she should have emphasized that there WAS indeed a security breach which needed to be investigated. To me, it doesn’t matter if there are 2 million names on a watchlist or five, if the name is there, the person shouldn’t come anywhere near our shores, period. Apparently this idea of “not sufficient information” isn’t sufficient, because the guy was indeed tragically dangerous. What annoys me about these bureacrats is that they just don’t get it most of the time, and in this case, their not getting it came within a hair’s breadth of costing hundreds of lives.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty
  • rustyreturns

    Poor little formerly james:
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    The “breakdown” occurred when the father of the terrorist, (I’m sure you are in agreement that he is a terrorist, right?), went to a US Embassy in Nigeria and alerted U.S. Officials to his Son’s recent intentions. What is the Obama policy on such notifications, james?
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    One would think that with such an alert, from a very credible person, Obama and Napolitano would have at least alerted officials to recind the visa, right? This would perhaps be the first of many steps that could have prevented this terrorist’s flight into our country.

  • rustyreturns

    A pure example of far left loons trolling for negative spin on Republicans, when it is the left supported Administration that failed in this specific case. Great job, slowp! Or should I call you slopTROLL?

  • rustyreturns

    I am sure that there wasn’t a whole host of PORK contained in this bill that Democrats put in it that didn’t relate to anything at all so far as the TSA is concerned, right allthings?
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    How about you cite your sources next time you throw out plan garbage, instead of just squeaking out left loon talking points?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Ah there’s your typical liberal spin. Gloss over it, minimize it, while completely ignoring the fact that he shouldn’t have been on the plane to start with. Good Job! You do your liberal mentors proud.

  • rustyreturns

    “Democrats have only themselves to blame for not having a confirmed TSA administrator. President Obama waited 243 days in office before making a nomination and Harry Reid has been too busy trading earmarks for votes on health care to schedule debate on the nominee. This is an important debate because many Americans don’t want someone running the TSA who stands ready to give union bosses the power to veto or delay future security measures at our airports.”
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    http://rawstory.com/2009/12/demint-unionization-a-threat-security/

  • square1

    Shorter GOP: We don’t need more explosive detection machines to keep explosives off of planes. Instead, what we need is a system that takes the claims of Nigerian bankers more seriously.

    BTW, rusty, can I assume from your comment that you agree that their votes would be indefensible but for some other factor, like “a whole host of PORK”? Out of curiosity, how much “pork” in a bill is so much that you would vote against $4 Billion in terrorism screening operations?

  • dollared

    Karen,

    Do some reporting, instead of headhunting. This is beneath your usually fine work on getting the facts of a situation.

  • Ivy_B

    Of course she would try to walk back the media frenzy. After all, it distracts from lies like Mary Matalin saying that the [Bush Administration] “inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation’s history,”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/mary-matalin-bush-inherit_n_404949.html

    Nate Silver has some interesting statistics on airborne terrorism.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/odds-of-airborne-terror.html

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Glad to see Time magazine finally seeing what we knew all along. Better late than never I suppose. Remember Obama started building his cabinet even before he was elected, and those of us with even a little bit of common sense could clearly see that it was a cabinet full crooks and inept bunglers. I’m angered and disgusted by these recent events, but not a bit surprised

  • walkingfunny

    I’m particularly pleased that this is the first article/blog on this that I have read that has not focused on the young man’s nationality – Nigerian. I’ve been a little distressed at most reports that highlight his nationality all through their story. Just something personal since I am originally Nigerian and immigrated to the U.S. not too long ago … I guess I now know how other people feel when someone from their country does something crazy. It doesn’t help that we already have the title of the world scammers … anybody received some of those e-mails know what I am talking about.
    .
    I’ll attempt to set some things straight:
    – the average nigerian is hardworking, straightforward and mostly literate, the well-educated percentage is not very impressive.
    – about 50% of the population, mostly in the south is christian and the north is predominantly muslim. There are a minority of crazy people all over the country (as in every country), but more among the muslims in the north. This percentage has grown in recent years as a result of the combination of the rise of islamic fundamentalism worldwide and terrible economic situation of the populace. There are reports that al-qeida groups from north african countries have been making in-roads amongst some of the muslims in nothern nigeria.
    – this crazy fellow is not representative of anything nigerian, the average nigerian loves life too much to want to die … in the very extreme of cases, he may kill someone else, but does not think anything is worth killing himself for. If nigerians as a people are guilty of anything, it is that we are very selfish, our welfare comes before anybody’s …. and we are eternal optimists who always think things will get better, we never give up, I’m sure our suicide rates are one of the lowest in the world, couldn’t find any sources to support this claim since the country does not even appear in this WHO report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
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    So much for my rant in defense of my nation of birth. Now to address some of the issues raised in this blog:
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    It is worth stating again that no organization can guarantee 100% protection from these kind of terrorist attacks. You are never as smart as the person watching you. One slip, and that is it, and there will be slips in any system that involves humans.
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    The physical airport security as currently setup would probably not have caught this guy. The explosives would not trigger the metal detectors. Even a typical secondary screening may not have shown anything, a pat down would probably just have suggested a well-endowed man since the explosives probably just made his crotch seem bigger.
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    The point about the Britons denying him visa is also not valid, he was denied a british visa not because he was deemed dangerous, but because he applied for a student visa based on admission to a school that was not deemed legitimate.
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    A few issues/points of obvious failure though:
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    This guy appeared on a list of known possible “trouble” makers, shouldn’t this have at least warranted a secondary check? There has been the mention of 550,000 people on this list, sort of suggesting that it is a pretty long list that can not be checked all the time, I disagree. I don’t think more than 1000 people on this list are trying to board planes anywhere in the world at any one time, is it too much to run these folks through a rigorous secondary check every time they try to get on a plane? A proper secondary check may at least have raised something; he paid cash for his ticket about a week before traveling, he planned to stay in Detroit for 2 weeks but only had 1 small piece of hand luggage, nothing checked in, he had recently visited multiple north african and middle-eastern countries known to have strong al-qeida links …..
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    Also really disturbing is that his father went to report him to the U.S. authorities but they did not deem this actionable. U.S. visas are typically given for 2 year durations to nigerians and are valid for multiple entries, but the decision on whether you can board a plane coming to the U.S. is always at the discretion of the security/immigration officials, this is regardless of the validity of your visa. American officials carry out their own checks before you can board a plane in nigeria, this is separate and above any checks by local officials. Did this guy’s name come up and was ignored? I have known of people turned back for much less of a red flag, they are simply told that they can not board the plane.
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    The system can not be fool-proof, but they can certainly do better

  • sevenoaks07

    We appear to be falling into the same trap: when things go wrong: blame the President. Bush was always ridiculed because he was on vacation although he kept in touch with events. Katrina was the exception and he paid a heavy price. We now want the President to rush out and make a statement just to reassure the “people”. Have we become such a frightened lot that we need ‘the Leader” to calm us?

    Who ever is President the re will alwayts be weaknesses in our bureaucracy. The person in Abuja who took the banker father’s call should have started a review of an already issued visa. Now I don’t expect someone Bush for that because that would be silly. Nor Obama for his response which lacked fire and brimstone.

    This Monday morning quarter-backing is now a daily feature of our supernatural coverage and everyone goes to battle stations ” pro and con. “. The easiest thing is to ask questions. The hard thing is to get people to not only except responsibility but pay a price. I’d start at our embassy in Abuja.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Hufpo Ivy? Are you kidding? I’m sure you mean well, but the most liberal rag on the planet is hardly a credible source when it comes to reporting on a conservative. Arianna Huffington is the Queen of America haters. Her bias against any one or anything conservative is known throughout.

  • Ivy_B

    Hello… If you had bothered to look at the link, you would have seen that it contains a video of Matalin saying exactly that. Of course as we know, facts have a liberal bias.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    We’ll never have to fear fire and brimstone from BO. Now from the terrorists he coddles, that’s another story.

  • sevenoaks07

    Apologies for the errors: did not proof read as was diverted by a knock on the door. Sorry.

  • sevenoaks07

    2thirdsrocks: this is the kind of bs that makes it hard to take you seriously. The game of blaming the President, no matter which party is in power, is a waste of time. And to say Obama coddles terrorists shows that you are just as idiotic as the extreme from the side opposite you.

  • merelymyopinion

    Why do right-wingers always turn the clock back to just seven years for “W”? Are you aware the rest of us can see beyond that? It’s so stupid, it’s unfathomable.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I see a video of MM stating the obvious, and A hufpo article bashing her for it.

  • square1

    It would be nice to think that we can be forewarned of every potential terrorist. In reality, we are not always going to get a heads up. Personally, I think that counting on terrorists’ parents to turn them in is an exercise in futility. Be happy if it happens. Don’t count on it.

    If you want to keep explosives off of planes there is a simple solution: Test passengers, luggage and cargo for explosives without exception. Assume all passengers may have been radicalized and have recently traveled to Yemen.

  • apr2563

    2third: Wouldn’t you feel more comfortable on a “freeper” site. Your style of comment, name calling, invictive, and lack of facts and documentation would be most welcome.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    Thank you for your hilariously stupid and uninformed comment; it gave me something between a chuckle and a guffaw.

    Click here for my coverage of Janet Napolitano. I’ve got 83 posts about her since 2003, and that focuses on the things she got “right”, in Beltway terms.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Allowing the mastermind of 9/11, who is a non American citizen, captured on foriegn soil, to be tried in an American coutroom, all the while knowing full well that he could be freed due to a simple loophole, to me is coddling.
    Obama knows he will be giving this monster a pulpit from which to spew his hate. He also knows that he will unneccessarily be putting a city at risk.
    I use the term coddling for lack of a better one. Tell me what you would call it.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    A free country and a public site apr. Spare me your holier than thou attitude.

  • allthingsinaname

    BS Rusty, Had that plane gone down no one would give a damn about any PORK.

    It has been is always about politics for the GOP, the Government be damn. The first to holler that the Government can’t do anything correctly. The first to say get Government out of my life, the first to holler about taxes, the first to scream about spending. The first to complain the government isn’t doing enough, the first to stop government from acting. That is the GOP in a nut shell.

    Yes we have some bad acts in the Dem. Party also, but I can not find a single mature, responsible act in the GOP.

  • sevenoaks07

    I think the word “coddle” suggests the use of a pejorative word. I won’t come back with the “rule of law” argument because I am aware of the possibilities of technical glitches and the games counsel on both sides can play with the evidentiary process..

    But we have had trials in which judges have maintained order and taken steps to manage game playing. This trial will not be televised so we will not have a Simpson soap opera in which the judge got into the act.

    As for the safety of NYK: New Yorkers have gone through tough times and have come up trumps. So they get a h/t from me.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    My humblest apology. I meant to say Mrs. apr.
    Never let it be said that I don’t respect my elders.

  • flameworker

    The entire notion that anyone can guarantee your safety and protect you from people intent on doing you harm is bogus.
    Does anyone think the public would be willing to fly in their birthday suits in handcuffs, submit to cavity searches, etc?
    Not to mention all the billions of dollars we’re spending on security to “prevent” terrorist acts. Meanwhile, Bin Laden and Al-qaida must be laughing their heads off as we bleed the treasury dry to stop them when all they have to do is send some poor schmuck who volunteers to blow up his pants and we react like it’s 9/11 all over again.

  • shepherdwong

    “The real question is, what was this guy doing on the plane in the first place?”
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    I believe that Napolitano answered that one on Sunday. There are over a million people on the watch list that was supposed to catch this one guy boarding a plane.
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    Look, she said something stupid in service of the airline industry but let’s get real, the problem is the senior security personnel who have been in charge of devising strategy going all the way back to before 911. Haven’t they confiscated like a billion nail clippers and an ocean of bottled water since then? Do you really think that all that time, effort and expenditure of security resource made us any safer? Didn’t we harden the cockpit doors after the terrorists learned that determined passengers could thwart them as long as the doors weren’t hardened?
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    Our problem is that there’s a police mentality in charge of security and while police can be quite clever, it’s almost always at solving a crime that has already occurred. At least I get a little chuckle every time I have to take off my shoes.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    An h/t from me also. Still an uneccessary risk.
    A 5 minute tribunal at Gitmo, followed by a rope around the neck. No doubt the poll numbers would swell, and the fine folks of New York would applaud heartily.

  • formerlyjames

    There are better technologies, like full body scan machines that rotate around the individual rather than just a walk-through. And all of the questions about the visa issue and the watch list mentioned by almost everybody can’t be overlooked. Seems a little pointless to me to put everybody through all the checks and all when even more simple means would have stopped this fool. We do live in the computer age.

  • apr2563

    2third: I have wasted too much time responding to your inane comments. How could I possibly be holier than thou? I must assume you are a “real american”, a “value voter”, belong to or sympathize with groups that are singularly patriotic, know better than any government entity, understand it is the dirty hippies, gays, illegal immigrants, and brown people who are the source of all our problems.
    We have a group resurging in the country, the John Birch Society that would welcome you. As a respected elder, please take my advice. Expand your anti-evolution, anti-science, bigotted self to include the Birchers. You will find a true tea bagger home for yourself. See, my age allows me to remember the Birchers wanting to record in our classrooms where I taught to insure we were sufficiently patriotic. I remember there wish to outlaw floride in our water because it was a Communist plot to brainwash us. They were McCarthyites and relentlessly illinformed. Now that CPAC is welcoming them back before the end days, please join them.
    This will be my last response to you on this site. I have done my best for you and must move on.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    She didn’t answer jack. She spun and spun to no avail.
    The world sees her as the inept crackpot BO flunkie that she is.

  • constantweader

    Well, well, kattest, your “polite” & “civil discourse” buttons must be out of order today. Mine are working just fine. As to my being uninformed, I call you attenton to — for instance — this Slate article by Tom Zoellner titled “Partners in Pink Underwear; Janet Napolitano’s embarrassing history with Sheriff Joe Arpaio” at http://www.slate.com/id/2205223/

    It’s embarrassing, isn’t it, to get caught describing other people in unkind terms that better apply to yourself? Ah, well, life is a learning experience. Good luck.

    The Constant Weader

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Yeah Mrs. apr, sometimes you just gotta shake the dust from your shoes and move along. Good luck with your next project.

  • spob

    Here are the relevant issues/questions that should be raised/asked:
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    1) What was the timeline for the notification of the President. Napolitano has clung to the notion that the post-incident response “worked”. Did it? Was Obama notified in time?
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    2) Why did Gibbs initially parrot Napolitano’s line? Is identity of message more important than the truth?
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    3) Does Napolitano have a credibility gap? She’s said some dumb things in the past (e.g., illegally crossing US border not a crime “per se” and opining that, if acquitted, KSM would be deported).
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    4) Did Napolitano really have DHS spend a lot of time tamping down anti-Muslim backlash? If not, then did she lie, and if so, couldn’t that time have been better spent?
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    5) Did Napolitano try to deflect blame to the previous administration, and is that appropriate?

  • hankvreeland

    Wow! The subscription rate must really be going down the toilet. You have been telling us for a year that these people walked on water. Now you are saying that one of them is not really a superhero. I guess money does count for more than trendy opinion.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    All excellent questions spob, but good luck getting answers. This administration wrote the book on passing the buck. Accountability? Forget it.
    .
    Remember that this is the same woman that refers to Tea Partiers as domestic terrorists. And she uses the same term to describe our returning servicemen.
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    I’d say her priorities are more than just a little skewed, and with the aid of the MSM don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

  • spob

    Well, we’ll see if these questions get asked. I hope they do.

  • lizziefromcanada

    Rusty, you forgot Reid, the shoe-bomber, who tried to light a bomb during Bush presidency.

  • square1

    Why let facts get in the way of some good old Dem bashing? You already know what the answers are. Here, let me help you:
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    1. Was Obama notified in time? Fortunately not. He was unable to communicate his secret muslim brotherhood warning to Abdulmutallab.
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    2. Why did Gibbs initially parrot Napolitano’s line? Because Gibbs is actually Napolitano in drag. Have you ever seen them in the same room? Didn’t think so.
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    3. Does Napolitano have a credibility gap? The question implies that she had credibility to begin with. Since she is a Democrat, such an assumption is silly. There is no gap. There is no credibility.
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    4. Did Napolitano really have DHS spend a lot of time tamping down anti-Muslim backlash? The problem really wasn’t the pro-muslim rallies that DHS employees were forced to attend. It was the $1 billion in anti-Christian propaganda that Napolitano wanted to spend instead of buying explosive detectors.
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    5. Did Napolitano try to deflect blame to the previous administration, and is that appropriate? Yes, she did. And, no, it is never appropriate…If by “previous administration” you mean “previous Republican administration.” All appropriate — and inappropriate, if necessary — blame should be deflected to previous Democratic, terrorist-coddling administrations.
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    There. Now that you have the answers that you were looking for, perhaps you can leave the rest of the discussion to the adults.

  • slowp

    Oh, and who can forget the series of news conferences John Ashcroft had to proudly proclaim that his people had disrupted some loony’s plan to cut down the Brooklyn Bridge with an acetylene torch.

    Ah, the good old days!

  • pintortwo

    The Obama Administration’s “open arms” policy in treating terrorists, our sworn enemies, with their politically correct soft gloves is not working. -@Rusty #5.
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    What policy are you talking about? 30K troop increases in Afghanistan, Predator Drone attacks in Pak, “black sites” still in operation, indefinite detention, DoJ cover-up of past offenses… Making diplomatic overtures toward Iran, which I can only assume you mean, is not a terror policy (Iran has no connection with al Qaeda and was an early ally in the War on Terror).
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    The problem is that Obama continues policies that inflame radicalism. He has caved to his critics in the media who, despite being proven consistently wrong and often deceitful, call for the amplification of failed programs. Also, Obama was wrong when he decided to retain the military policymakers and generals from the previous admin.
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    Obama should have began the withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan immediately upon taking office and focused resources instead on Homeland Security- the people who protect us from attack. This episode is clear proof.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    And all this time I was thinking that square1 was just another braindead leftwing Obama shill. How could I have been so wrong?

  • spob

    Wow, square1, your desire to clown yourself never ceases to amaze.
    .
    First of all, since Napolitano doesn’t defend her statements, then it’s certainly fair to ask what Gibbs was thinking when he parroted the party line originally?
    .
    With respect to the anti-Muslim backlash, she said she’d focus on it–well, did she?
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    As for deflecting the blame, I think it’s certainly fair to ask whether these guys have “assumed the watch”, i.e., are they responsible for what happens.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    constantweader: the linked article refers to her being a “pragmatist on immigration”; to those of us familiar with these topics that indicates that the writer (Tom Zoellner) is willing to peddle lies. The fact of the matter is that she and Sheriff Joe have a long-running feud. For instance, in May 2008 she restricted his funding (see the second page of the link I left above). That’s now carried over to the national level (do a find for his last name on the first page of the link I left above).
    .
    Maybe trusting a Slate writer to get things right isn’t a good idea.

  • spob

    But didn’t St. Obama say that those who question his nation’s character should look at what’s been done during his Administration?

  • repzak

    This is true and was my first thought on reading the “evidence” Karen presents too. I agree her wording was unfortunate – and you could see her as arrogant. But the fact is she was talking about the system to respond to emergencies and it did work perfectly. I expect better of Karen.

  • Ivy_B

    Another point of view from the dreaded Huffington Post.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harry-shearer/airport-security-everythi_b_405265.html

    I was out shopping and Talk of the Nation was about this today. Some interesting points were made. The father contacted the US embassy because they hadn’t heard from him and wanted the embassy to track him down. The embassy put him on the appropriate list, but thought his father escalating to the radicalization might have been simply to push them to help find him.

    People seem enthusiastic about the full body scanners, but I’m not sure they realize the detail involved. Detect breast implants and outline of body parts?? But, don’t worry, females will operate the machines for females and males for males and the pictures will be destroyed quickly (not posted on the internet.) Right. Since my hip implant, I have flown twice internationally and am thoroughly patted down, but they wouldn’t have found a narrow bag sewn into the waistband of my underwear as this loser had.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/airline-security-threat-privacy-airport-body-scanning/story?id=9430705&page=2

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    Along the same lines, click here for my Joe Arpaio posts.

  • Matt

    This could very well be Obama’s “heckuva job, Janet” moment…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • apr2563

    People are comparing Napolitano and Obama to the handling of Katrina by the Bush administration.
    What Napolitano said was stupid. Sorta’ on par with stocking up on duck tape and plastic tarp, a bogus color alert system used for political purposes?
    Bush futzed around for days during Katrina while people were actually dying.

  • rustyreturns

    pintortwo says…
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    “What policy are you talking about? 30K troop increases in Afghanistan, Predator Drone attacks in Pak, “black sites” still in operation, indefinite detention, DoJ cover-up of past offenses… Making diplomatic overtures toward Iran, which I can only assume you mean, is not a terror policy (Iran has no connection with al Qaeda and was an early ally in the War on Terror).”

    .
    The foreign policy of appeasement. Of saying on one hand, “we want to be your friend”….then blasting the hell out of them with the drones you speak of. Spouting off in the election that he was going to shut down Gitmo, and then waffling on how to do it. Plus, Obama didn’t just make “diplomatic overtures” to just Iran. He has done it all over the Arab world, period. You forgot the big speech in Egypt?
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    Obama clearly is not able to say what he means, and mean what he says. In one speech he asks for diplomacy, and then he bombs the poor innocent people he claims to want to help. I said weeks ago, maybe even a couple months ago if he wasn’t going to put in the troops needed to end the war in Afghanistan quickly, then he needed to pull them all out swiftly.
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    What did Obambi do? He put in half the amount that was requested to “get the job done”. His indecivisiveness clearly shows to our enemies that he is weak, and not the type of leader who will go all the way. It shows to the terrorists that he is not fully invested in this War. That he will go at it half-assed and hope they blink.
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    Simply allowing Holder and the DOJ to try the terrorists in our courts versus trying them under a military tribunal is a clear invitation to them to come to this country and blow us up. Under Obama they can be assured of a trial, and years of court costs to tax payers to further the decline of our nation’s credibility and treasury.
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    Why did he allow the Netherlands to stop our Air Marshalls from flying on American planes? Why, because they are more important to him for his Nobel Peace Prizes and hopes for a stupid olympics deal.
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    “The problem is that Obama continues policies that inflame radicalism.”

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    This is plain stupid. You can’t further inflame a group of people who are and have been radicalized for a long long time.
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    What you can do is set the tone in an Administration that simply says “you kill us, we will kill many more of you”, you choose.

  • pintortwo

    spob, not sure what you’re implying. All of the “problems” I listed are Obama’s decisions and “done during his Administration.” Continuing bad policies (and starting new ones) is his choice- he shoulders the blame.

  • shepherdwong

    “Meanwhile, Bin Laden and Al-qaida must be laughing their heads off as we bleed the treasury dry to stop them when all they have to do is send some poor schmuck who volunteers to blow up his pants and we react like it’s 9/11 all over again.”
    .
    Clearly, bin Laden has manipulated us with such ease, it’s another sign of the gross stupidity and incompetence of our ruling elites. His aim, having practically no resources to use, was to get us to screw ourselves in reaction to his provocation: 1) grossly expensive immediate reaction to 9/11 (grounding all US air traffic), check, 2) bleed ourselves financially and militarily (Afghanistan and Iraq wars, check, 3) inflame enmity between Islam and the West (Abu Ghraib and civillian deaths in Iraq), check, 4) push us from the moral high ground and change our own fundamental values (torture, shredding the 4th Amendment and the rule of law), check, 5) make us even more fearful and stupid than we were before (letting our leaders do all of the above), check.
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    All in response to a low-cost, diabolical attack that killed about as many Americans as a holiday weekend. He ought to be somebody’s “Man of the Decade” and, if we don’t get our act together soon, maybe be “Man of the 21st Century”.

  • spob
  • spob

    And another stroll down memory lane–Janet Napolitano, seriously off-message:
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    http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/12/napolitano-ksm-would-be-deported-if-acquitted.html

  • http://issfw.info/?p=254 Gaffe Napolitano: Does the system really works? « Is SFW

    [...] Read more on Time Magazine [...]

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “Bush futzed around for days” damn that’s pathetic.
    Of course the state and local government was blameless in all that huh?
    Couldn’t possibly have been the 60 yrs. of corrupt liberal rule that resulted in a society that was totally helpless and dependant on the government to supply their every need. I live in a hurricane prone area. With advanced warning(they had 4 days notice) you uh, leave. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Of course I strongly believe they just didn’t want to get too far away from their mailboxes. After all Katrina did hit right before check day. Give me a break!

  • formerlyjames

    The right winger trolls here confuse me. Their obsessive concern seems to be recognition of w. bush as a great president who isn’t appreciated by the unamerican leftists. Obama is given a pass and that is just so unfair.
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    I am a leftist. Let me tell you my view. W. Bush was the worst president in our history. I am sitting on the sidelines on Obama just now. I am disappointed that he has pandered too much to the w bush fans. How ironic. Get it? Probably not.

  • formerlyjames

    Ivy, don’t visit Russia. They do full body scans and racial profiling without apology. I prefer that to all of the current inane hassles here.
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    Nudity? I don’t really care. I’ll show you mine, if you show me yours. In fact, I insist upon it, given the need for security from the religious fanatics, of which, I would bet you are one.

  • Paul-no not that one

    fj, BHO has taken more heat from his left in 11 months than W did from his right, or the press, in 6 years.
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    Witness the “Bush kept us safe for 7 years!” line. That’s quite the Mulligan they call.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “I am a leftist.”
    That just about says it all.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Once lost, credibility is a difficult thing to get back”

    For a brief moment I thought KT was going to dip her toe into media criticism.

  • allthingsinaname

    Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the Northwest bombing in a Monday statement that vowed more attacks on Americans.

    American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an “art therapy rehabilitation program” and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.

    Wonder what our right wing friends have to say about this?

  • formerlyjames

    pnnto, you are right (by that I mean correct). More irony. I and the rest will no doubt stand by him regardless because so far, he is the best act in town. I was just sayin)).

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Wonder what our right wing friends have to say about this?”
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    “All the more reason to NEVER let anyone out of Gitmo”
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    Followed by tough talk and (made up) autobiography.

  • rustyreturns

    Oh but, allthingsinaname. Obama is the “One”. He IS the all knowing liberal loon. He KNOWS shutting down Gitmo is the one thing that he was determined to do as soon as he took office.
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    What was it he said? Something on the line of “if we give up our moral standards, our laws, then who are we”? Yes allthings, we should show everyone in the world that they can be treated the same as any other citizen of the US no matter what their intentions.
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    You answer very well what most “right wing friends” are thinking. How stupid this Administration is, and how stupid their polices are.
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    The sad thing is hundreds, if not thousands of Americans will die from their stupidity.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Cool I even got the CAPS right!
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    Thanks Physician.

  • formerlyjames

    rusty, you are, as only occasionally occurs, confused on allthings post. Please check the time frame. It refers to a time, thankfully past, of the american saudi administration, that of hour hero, w bush. Read my lips. Not Obama. Bush. Not 2009, but 2007. Pay attention my friend.

  • gysgt213

    “What was it he said? Something on the line of “if we give up our moral standards, our laws, then who are we”?.”
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    Rusty-I’m just guessing that you don’t really care about our moral standards or our laws.
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    The sad thing is hundreds, if not thousands of Americans will die from their stupidity.
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    Think about what you are saying because your fear is showing. And that is one of the terrorist’s main objectives. To scare the living sh*t out of you and then you will look for a savior. Only your savior will not be looking to save you.

  • rustyreturns

    formerly: 2007, 2008 or even 2009. The point of my comment is that none of the enemy combantants, the TERRORISTS now currently held in Gitmo should be released, period.
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    If the terrorists released in 2007 were directly related to the Christmas Terrorist attempt, then it only proves what I have said all along to not bow to liberal loon pie in the sky ideals and release them anywhere. Well, unless someone wants to build a prison in downtown Chicago, right in the vacant lot next to Obama’s home.
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    and, gysgt, go f-yourself buddy.

  • gysgt213

    “and, gysgt, go f-yourself buddy.”
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    I will take that as unresponsive.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Gunny, asking a republican to not show fear is like asking a bird not to sing,
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    They enjoy it too much to stop.

  • jcapan

    Striving vainly to find something worth commenting about.

    No feeding Thursday -> No feeding 2010?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’ll avoid the obvious mention of Guantanomo as a recruiting tool and note that the story from ABC is notoriously vague about a few details. Where, for instance were these two ‘leaders’ captured and under what circumstances? Could there have been criminal charges brought against them based on whatever activities flagged them for detention in the first place? Were they ‘Top al Qaeda leaders’ before their incarceration? If ABC isn’t willing to answer these questions then they are reporting irresponsibly, no doubt relying on a source who wants to make sure that the transfer to Illinois doesn’t happen.

  • rustyreturns
  • gysgt213

    Paul-Just trying to man him up a little bit. Guess it truly is a lost cause though.

  • gysgt213

    That’s an impressive weapon Rusty. But you have to have courage to use it. Squealing about how bad Obama is could have an affect on your aim.

  • shepherdwong

    Never talk about fight club.

  • shepherdwong

    “Gunny, asking a republican to not show fear is like asking a bird not to sing,…”
    .
    Taibbi:

    Brooks is a perfect example of the kind of spineless Beltway geek we always see beating the war drum at times like these. It’s because nebbishly little dorks like Brooks and Paul Wolfowitz and David Frum got their books dumped in high school that we end up dropping daisy cutters on Afghan sheep herds and shipping working class American kids halfway around the world to get their nuts blown off. That sounds like a simplistic explanation, but anyone who doesn’t have a keen ear for the pencil-pusher’s eternal quest for macho cred is going to have a hard time understanding Washington politics.

  • pintortwo

    (I’m so late, I wanted to play… Oh well, better late…)
    .

    Rusty, appeasement? It’s always about “another Hitler” with your news sources. Well, “blasting the hell out of them” is hardly appeasement. Nor is talking to Arab leaders. In Egypt, Obama was not talking to terrorists. Your post suggests that you believe that all Mid Easterners are terrorists, the enemy, and should be killed. “Kill ‘em all and let’s take the oil”, eh Rust?
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    His indecivisiveness clearly shows to our enemies that he is weak.
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    Did you read that line in a John Bolton article? Was Obama supposed to immediately cede authority to his generals, no questions? The desk-hawks in Congress and the media were screaming for just that. But the generals work for him. He should have canned McChrystal and all the Bushies in the Pentagon when he first took office (and certainly after their insubordination).
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    It shows to the terrorists that he is not fully invested in this War.
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    Fully invested? CIA officer Philip Giraldi suggests that there are less than a dozen al Qaeda fighters total. Obama wants 300K+ US troops and contractors, plus NATO troops, plus 400K Afghani troops, and about $4B in Afg infrastructure… versus 8-10 AQ fighters. I wonder what he’d have done if fully invested.
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    Under Obama they can be assured of a trial (yeah right, if only), and years of court costs to tax payers to further the decline of our nation’s credibility and treasury.
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    Trials undermine our credibility? I thought the abandonment of due process did that. And the treasury would be better helped by cutting the defense budget in half.
    .
    You can’t further inflame a group of people who are and have been radicalized for a long long time.
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    You can’t possibly believe this, can you? Evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.
    .
    What you can do is set the tone in an Administration that simply says “you kill us, we will kill many more of you”, you choose.
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    The Iraqis, Iranians and the Taliban did not help plan nor execute 9/11.
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    Put down the Weekly Standard, Rusty. You’re regurgitating 7-year-old propaganda and lies.

  • Cliff

    And gysgt, this is the only “savior” I need, thanks
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    Your urgent need to overcompensate is making Baby Jesus cry.

  • Cliff

    Don’t hold your breath, the bile will be flying thick in the runup to the midterms.

  • lawchic22

    Karen,

    Despite her poor word choice and spin, I see no reason to put her head on a platter at this point. What has she done that was incompetent? Is there evidence that she ignored critical information? Did she take appropriate steps in response to key information? As it stands, all we have is her statement that the “system worked,” we don’t have any evidence that she screwed up. And she is right to a certain extent. If her account is correct, and that remains to be seen, once the airline determined the threat, other airlines were notified of a possible threat, and the “system” went into action. But in her effort to emphasize the positive, she made it seem as if she was tone deaf to the key issue that everyone is focused on, which is what missteps did officials make that a) allowed this guy to have a visa (he was given an unlimited visa in June 2008); and b) be able to get into the country (what key information does the government need to move people from list a to list b and why weren’t the warnings from the father enough?).

    Right now there is a lot of unanswered questions (for example, did anyone in the state department communicate with any of the other agencies about the warnings from the father, i.e. TSA, DHS, FBI, CIA — if they did, did anyone act on it, if they didn’t why not) so it would be helpful to find out those answers before we go off half cocked on Napolitano. Now, if as the investigation unfolds it is clear that she was derelict in her duty, by all means call for her resignation, but at this point, a poor choice of words and spin seems a bit much to totally undermine her credibility and cost her her job.

    The frustrating part about this whole episode is how some of the details seem to mirror the run up to 9/11. Certain government agencies were privy to information about key suspects but that information was a) not acted on; b) not received by the higher ups; or c) there was a lack of communication between agencies (including our international counterparts). We may have improved in certain areas since 2001, but this incident reveals key vulnerabilities that need to be acted on. The eery thing is, the senior counsel of the 9/11 commission, outlined these vulnerabilities in his book “Ground Truth.”

  • shepherdwong

    That’s exactly correct. As is so often the case lately, the practical incompetence and stupidity was rampant here and to single out Napolitano for a political gaffe shows that the corporate press, as is so often the case lately, is leading (or, at least, tagging along) the slow people’s parade.

  • abdullah69

    I cannot understand why anyone wishing to fly to the US is not vetted as a suspected terrorist. Why fly to the US otherwise? To study the American banking or manufacturing industries? To learn about developments in healthcare? Face it people, nothing good comes out of America any more.

    And why would this person choose to bomb Detroit? Seen from either the air or the ground, Detroit looks like it has been bombed already.

    All empires fail in the end, but empires built on the backs of ideology, like the Nazi empire in the thirties and forties, or the US empire now, fail faster than those built on mercantilism.

  • messenia

    As I understand it, the man paid cash for his ticket and boarded a flight from Lagos to Detroit with no baggage. Shouldn’t those facts have been sufficient to raise flags and send his name off for further screening? He bought the ticket 8 days before the flight and no one checked the lists? Lagos to Detroit is not a shuttle flight; why wouldn’t his lack of baggage trigger some sort of inquiry?

  • juniusredivivus

    This is another example of the media “elite” fabricating stories out of nothing but some manipulated quotes. I can see why newspapers are going out of business.

  • gysgt213

    “Right now there is a lot of unanswered questions (for example, did anyone in the state department communicate with any of the other agencies about the warnings from the father, i.e. TSA, DHS, FBI, CIA — if they did, did anyone act on it, if they didn’t why not) so it would be helpful to find out those answers before we go off half cocked on Napolitano.”
    .
    Law-If I might add to your excellent commentary. But how about resistance? There were problems in the past with flight crews not wanting to go through security lines, problems with Air Marshalls and the airlines, problems with the private companies employing screeners, the airlines not wanting to put already stressed passengers through additional security they may deem unnecessary, passengers not wanting to deal with additional security and other turf wars.

  • sevenoaks07

    Steve Clemons – The Washington Note – has an interesting post which includes a statement from the Yemen Foreign Ministry. Muttalib went to Yemen to attend a language school from August to December where he had been before ( Yeah I “believe that”) and they noted that his passport carried many visas including a current US visa. No need to pounce on Bush for that because its a silly game. But the embassy flubbed or took a pass. Start there…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I still think that the story to follow will be ABC’s scoop that two of the ‘masterminds’ are ex-Guantanomo captives. Already the coverage has focused on the comical ‘rehabilitaion’ program that the Saudi’s operated and has totally ignored questions about how the two came to end up at Guantanomo in the first place. How they do the follow-up will be a very instructive exercise to see how much ABC/Disney cares about drama vs information.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    why wouldn’t his lack of baggage trigger some sort of inquiry?

    Perhaps the airlines might want to rethink their policy of charging for checked bags. Carry-ons don’t leave a paper-trail.

  • spob

    another obama cabinet secretary who is less than advertised . . . .
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/28/AR2009122802368.html?hpid=topnews

  • sevenoaks07

    Default position: draaamaa!

  • spob

    “Once lost, credibility is a difficult thing to get back.”
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    Ouch.
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    But really, isn’t the issue why this gaffe machine had any credibility before Christmas.
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    Let’s review:
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    1) The botched threat report. The thing was half-baked, too general to be useful and slandered veterans. Originally, she defended the report, then blamed the Bush Administration, and then apologized.
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    Ok, so a misstep when she was new on the job.
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    2) Then she insults our Canadian neighbors by suggesting that the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada.
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    3) Then she calls terrorism a “man-made disaster”.
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    4) Then she yaps, ridiculously, about wasting man-hours to prevent an anti-Muslim backlash, as if (a) that was even in the cards and (b) that DHS really has a huge hand in stopping localized hate crimes.
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    5) And now the “system worked”.
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    If there is a serious terrorist attack, people are going to wonder why this bozo kept her job after all of this. Obama fans need to be calling for this woman’s head.
    A stitch in time saves nine.

  • stuartzechman

    I”m so sick right now, but must say excellent commentary.

  • kbanginmotown

    Cliff: You’re correct, but I’m with JC’s main point, tho’.
    .
    “No Feeding” helps keep a few random weeds from overrunning the whole thread.
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    Replying to bile begets more bile.

  • spob

    i almost forgot–she also stated that khalid sheikh muhammad would be deported if acquitted . . . . that’s not the position of the obama administration. she’s lucky that gaffe got next to no coverage

  • messenia

    AFAIK, international fares still include 2 checked bags.

  • spob
  • rustyreturns

    “The thing was half-baked, too general to be useful and slandered veterans.”

    .
    When you mean “slandered”, are you speaking about when dear Janet made statements that “returning veterans from Iraq should be watched closely, as they may become radicalized by American far right extremist groups”?
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    Oh yes, let’s target American citizens, but when it comes to looking closely at black men, who have purchased a one-way ticket to American, without any luggage we make a little note about it and brush it off.
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    The same way that Obama came out yesterday, and proclaimed the terrorist as being an “alledged” attacker, who may or may not be responsible for the most serious attempt since 9/11.
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    Yes defend this administration left-loons. It truly makes sense to the rest of America.

  • spob
  • spob

    yes, rusty, that’s what I am referring to
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    I wish you had chosen your words a little more carefully with respect to this guy being black. First of all, the issue really isn’t race-based political correctness a la the Black Panther cvil judgment dismissal–DHS isn’t really worried about racial profiling when it comes to protecting air travel. Second, I doubt that his blackness had anything to do with the incompetence here.
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    Race, unfortunately, is an issue with this administration–just look at the Black Panthers case and look at Obama’s racially-tinged commentary about l’affaire Gates. But let’s focus on when it is an issue, not when it’s a red herring. You have too many intelligent things to say in here without resorting to easy-to-dismiss incendiary comments.

  • allthingsinaname

    Not that I care about Dodd, but seriously 4.5 million? You guys make me laugh, a whopping 4.5 million! That isn’t even the salary of some routine banker.

  • spob

    That’s not the point . . . .

  • Ivy_B

    What a silly thing to say. You know nothing about me.

    Last year someone who travels all over the world six months out of the year for one of the Gates foundations commented that the pat down he got in Frankfurt was the most intrusive that he had experienced. I am used to those intrusive patdowns, but at least I can see who’s doing it – yes, that is an underwire in my bra; yes both sides… yes, that is the top of my thigh…

    If you don’t mind them looking at your implant that’s fine with me, but I don’t think everyone should be expected to go through an x-ray scanner without knowing exactly what it’s all about.

  • allthingsinaname

    Yea it was.

  • spob

    By the way, guys, what does everyone think about Obama’s repeated reference to the terrorist as “suspect” and his attempt to murder 300 or so people as “alleged”.
    .
    It strikes me as overly lawyerly. He can call it how he sees it. He’s the president.

  • spob

    just goes to show these guys have no shame–taking away from security in favor of pork–gotta love it.

  • allthingsinaname

    You mean by not acting stupid!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Once lost, credibility is a difficult thing to get back.”

    KT — surely you must realize by now that you also should reflect on this sentiment now that it clearly applies to your error ridden post. It seems to me we could all take a lesson from Obama, whose pattern of communication politico tries to explain today but could just as easily and probably more accurately described using the president’s own words, when he declared that he prefers to wait to speak until he’s sure he knows what he is talking about.
    .
    Since the media has appointed itself the sole arbiter of contextual correctness, perhaps you can explain the differences in context that allow the media to be so hypocritical when it disallows the validity of Napolitano be unclear in her communication and practically call for her ouster, while simultaneously being eerily silent when it comes to its own errors on so many pertinent facts including your prediction that health care reform would never pass, your failure to acknowledge that the tea party movement is nothing more than a fake grassroots movement spearheaded by a corporate funded, Dick Army led, astroturf media event covered by CNN. Talk about the success of the health insurance industry lobbyists, and missing nearly every opportunity to get the facts during 8 years of Bush.

  • spob
  • http://svivar9087.newsvine.com/ svivar9087

    “when you hold a position where the public’s safety rides on your instincts and reflexes in a crisis”….Some how I don’t think she’s developed this skill.

    svivar9087

  • spob

    Ah, Dee, the one constant in an ever changing world, your sycophancy. No one, not even Napolitano, is defending her comments. But you will attack the messenger. But have you noticed, you’re pretty much alone. Heck, I’m not even taking shots on this thread. And when the attacks on me are desultory–you know it’s a lost cause. And you sally forth.
    .
    I’m just curious–do you have no sense of embarassment?

  • allthingsinaname

    It is funny to read how the pundits think. The President is now supposed to react in a knee jerk way, just like the GOP has done for the last 8 years or so. If not the public is supposed to be ignorant enough to not know that the GOP will make political hay out of it, and the pundits, disappointed that the President did not react foolishly, will of course say that he did not react politically wisely

  • shepherdwong

    Republicans have cast votes against the key TSA funding measure that the 2010 appropriations bill for the Department of Homeland Security contained, which included funding for the TSA, including for explosives detection systems and other aviation security measures. In the June 24 vote in the House, leading Republicans including John Boehner, Pete Hoekstra, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan voted against the bill, amid a procedural dispute over the appropriations process, a Democrat points out. A full 108 Republicans voted against the conference version, including Boehner, Hoekstra, Pence, Michelle Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, Darrell Issa and Joe Wilson.
    .
    The conference bill included more than $4 billion for “screening operations,” including $1.1 billion in funding for explosives detection systems, with $778 million for buying and installing the systems.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/GOP_blame_at_TSA.html#

  • spob

    From the way-back machine:
    .
    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/12/scalia-was-right-about-releasing-gitmo.html
    .
    Looks like Scalia was prescient . .. .

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Yes Spob I am consistent. Critiquing the media is the sole reason I visit the site. So are you saying that I don’t have a right to engage in media criticism? Or are you saying that only conservatives shouting liberal bias have a legitimate concern? I think the only one subjecting themselves to self-inflicted embarrassment here is you. There are numerous comments questioning, KT’s post, especially the conclusions she has drawn that were inappropriate and facts she got completely wrong. Napolitano was clearly talking about the system immediately after the incident. You might remember that on 9/11 there were several planes that i that attack, and the system put in place to ensure that a multiple plane attack could never happen again did work. Within moments every plane in the air was contacted and verified safe for the remainder of Christmas travelers.

  • spob

    Against my better judgment, I will respond. First, and most obviously, Napolitano nor the WH defend her comments. Thus, your quixotic attempt to defend the indefensible eclipses the ability of political pros to shovel BS with a straight face. Second of all, she mentions the actions of passengers as part of the “system”. Dee, you’re parsing language awfully closely–do you really think Napolitano’s capable of that linguistic legerdemain? Come on, this is the idiot who stated bluntly that KSM would be deported if he is acquitted. (Care to defend that comment, Dee, and care to defend the notable absence of media coverage?)
    .
    I note that, apparently, in your dictionary 90 minutes means “moments”.
    .
    I also am not calling into question your right to say whatever you damned well please. You can engage in what you call media criticism all you like–but the reality is that you simply put on a clown suit every time you post in here.
    .
    No one is defending Napolitano. No one. Don’t you wonder why it’s so lonely?
    .
    If Obama’s smart, Napolitano will be telling the world that she needs to spend more time with her family. She’s a liability. That you cannot see that speaks volumes.

  • spob

    Dude, blaming your predecessor (which they’ve done) and fouling up the message ain’t a recipe for a smooth political op. Saying he isn’t Bush and ipso facto that makes the messaging strategy a good one just makes you look like a fool. Tell you what, you have a Dem Senator–call him or her up, ask if the Senator will make a public statement vouching for Napolitano . . . .

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Spob, perhaps if you watched something other than fox news, you might see that the response I gave is not only the same one being given by the administration, but is also one that some more responsible members of the media has repeated. In fact, not ten minutes ago this discussion took place on msnbc between two reporters. And while Napolitano acknowledges that they have to get to the bottom of how this guy got explosives on the plane — the system she was talking about, the incident response system, where the rest of the flying public were immediately protected worked. Now its okay not to agree with me, but your insistence on name calling and personal insults just proves that you have an inability to engage with opponents with logic and reason. So if there is anyone acting like a clown is you.

  • spob

    First of all, I rarely watch Fox news. Second of all, and to the point, Napolitano obviously rehearsed what she was going to say. The “system worked”, at best, was spin designed to get away from the failures–is that what the American people deserve from the point person in charge of Homeland Security–spin and dissembling? And of course, that’s an extremely charitable reading. When she referred to “passengers” as part of the system, that pretty much gave away the game. Maybe she botched the talking points. Whatever. Bottom line, Dee, is that no one but you and a few diehards at MSDNC are defending this bozo.
    .
    And, Dee, I find it curious (well, actually not, it’s pretty predictable, but annoying nonetheless) that (a) you don’t own up to the “moment”/”90 minutes” problem with your post, (b) fail to defend the lack of reporting on the KSM would be deported nonsense and (c) answer the point about Gibbs parroting the nonsense that the system worked.
    .
    I’ll also throw this one out there, Dee, what’s your view of Axelrod trying to deflect blame to Bush. Is that what we want–the people accountable for our safety pointing at a guy who left office a year ago?

  • pintortwo

    This attempted terror attack shows that we are too vulnerable. Over the last 8 years (including today) Congress and the President haven’t sufficiently focused on strengthening the Department of Homeland Security. The government plans to invest $4 billion in Afghani infrastructure alone as airport security and inter-agency communication have obviously languished. That is unacceptable.
    .
    While we plan to increase US troops to 100K and private contractors to around 150K in Afghanistan (link bellow), to compliment the approximately 130K troops and 120K contractors in Iraq (link), al Qaeda has apparently been re-grouping in places like Yemen and Somalia. As we focus on the local-minded Taliban, actual terrorists continue to plot.
    .
    Our invasion and occupation of Iraq has not made us any safer. And while our initial attacks on al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan were, IMO, necessary and effective; putting boots-on-the-ground, supporting the Karzai regime, and building permanent bases have not made us safer.There was little reason to believe that either occupation would protect us; if anything, they have predictably increased contempt for America.
    .
    Both wars need to end so that we can focus our talent, resources and money on safeguarding our airports, ports, and borders while becoming better at intelligence gathering and communication.
    .
    .
    * http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091221/scahill_video2

  • spob

    By the way, Dee, James Carville has panned Napolitano’s comment.

  • allthingsinaname

    Starting your argument with Dude does very little in persuading me to continue to listen to it. Oh and calling people fools also dose little to support your argument.

    I think I have an idea of who you are. Have a good day.

  • apr2563

    Rusty: President Bush response to shoe bomber
    Incident 12/22
    Bush on vacation
    Stays on vacation for full 2 weeks
    Briefed on incident
    Biden on Face the Nation 12/24 Supports investigation
    No criticism
    12/31 Bush, in response to a press Q&A finally speaks
    about the incident
    That is an 8 day lapse.
    I don’t recall the hysteria that the Reps are fomenting now.
    History is an interesting leveler.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Spob: spare me the nonsense that you don’t watch fox news, you quote too much of their crap for me to ever believe that. And even if you gave up watching your mentor Beck, the websites you visit derive their information from fox so there’s no real difference.
    .
    Now as for the rest of the nonsense you spew, I know that all of a sudden talking points in politics is supposed to be unethical, now that the Bush administration no longer sends them to fox news and Drudge to set the agenda for the day.
    .
    What in the world is the problem with KSM, if he’s not convicted he’ll be deported. The administration can’t dictate his guilty verdict that’s not really the way our system works. However, being privy to the evidence they have I’m sure that unless there are a bunch of die hard political Republicans on the jury to circumvent reality to humiliate the president, they believe they will get a guilty verdict otherwise they wouldn’t go to trial. The bottom line is that you’re just pissed because when all is said and done Republicans are going to be revealed by history as the ones who are un-American. After 8 years of telling everyone else that only Republicans are patriotic, after wrapping yourselves in our flag to justify ever sleaze ball, unethical and illegal thing the Bush administration did, if you count going against the constitution as illegal, the light will finally be shone and reveal their assault on our ideals.
    .
    Lastly, you’d like nothing better than to have us forget that Bush drove us into a ditch. You’d like to forget that the reason you worry about prosecuting terrorists is because they botched what evidence existed. You act like none of the things we are dealing with are a result of his failures. He bailed out the banks, and the car companies. He failed New Orleans and he drove the economy into the ground and drove up the debt and the deficit. But you want us to give them a pass so that Republicans can come back to power touting the same failed ideology — you’re joking right? Yet Marly Matlin can say that Bushed inherited 9/11 so I’m guessing you people aren’t joking at all.

  • shepherdwong

    “…is that what the American people deserve from the point person in charge of Homeland Security–spin and dissembling?”
    .
    No but we’ve been getting far worse than we deserved for some time:

    Former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge, the first director of the Department of Homeland Security, says that he was pressured by other agency heads to raise the national security-threat level on the eve of the 2004 presidential election — a move he rejected as having political undertones.”

    .
    In the end, we got four more years of the Bush/Cheney Administration (or should I say, we got four more years of the Bush/Cheney Administration in the end).

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/08/20/ridge_claims_in_book_that_he_w.html

  • spob

    “What in the world is the problem with KSM, if he’s not convicted he’ll be deported. The administration can’t dictate his guilty verdict that’s not really the way our system works.”
    .
    Where to start, ignoramus? First of all, the Administration has said that notwithstanding an acquittal, KSM is going to be detained pursuant to the AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force), Janet Incompetano apparently didn’t get the memo. So, given your obvious ignorance, care to retract your lecture on how the system works? Second, even if deportation were an option (and we may have to find out–I don’t know how the Administration is going to get around the speedy trial issue), there are rules governing deportation and when you can do it. It’s not something that, um, just happens.

  • gingerpye

    spob, it’s obvious that you didn’t have very good home training. Your inability to address anyone who disagrees with you without insults and name calling is evidence either of extreme immaturity or low self-esteem. Why does the fact that Dee has a different opinion than you make her an “ignoramous”? Your style of argument is just extremely distasteful. I’m sure your mother would be ashamed of you.

  • shepherdwong

    “So, given your obvious ignorance, care to retract your lecture on how the system works?”
    .
    I wouldn’t blame Dee or Napolitano for any confusion there. Once President Psychopath and his sidekick, Paranoid Dick, got done shredding Habeas corpus, the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution and the rule of law, things got a bit…murky. The US federal court system has been trying to figure out “how the system works” now, ever since.

  • apr2563

    FYI: Richard Reeves, shoe bomber, tried in American court, now serving life sentence.

  • spob

    Lighten up, ginger. Dee has been castigating GOP types like me for a while in unflattering terms. So, if she wants to play like that, I am game. I don’t see you getting worked up about that–so spare me your piety on blog comment etiquette.
    .
    As for Dee being an ignoramus, if you’d read my post, you’d see exactly why I call her an ignoramus. It has nothing to do with the fact that she has a different opinion from me–it’s that she obviously didn’t know why Napolitano’s comment about KSM being deported was, um, a gaffe.

  • shepherdwong

    “…if you’d read my post, you’d see exactly why I call her an ignoramus.”
    .
    I seriously recommend them as an excellent education in ignorance and ignoramuses. Also, partisan hatred, a laughable inability to discern sh*t from Shinola, and a completely inexplicable tendency toward self-importance.

  • sacredh

    Obama used the words “alleged” and “suspect” for the express purpose of not giving the guy’s lawyer issues for the trial. If Obama had done otherwise the terrorist’s lawyer could argue that the president had already declared him guilty on national tv and made it impossible for a fair trial to be held. At the very least, months of delays would be the result while that issue was resolved.

  • gingerpye

    Well, exactly, sheperdwong. spob has an extremely inflated opinion of his opinions but doesn’t afford the same courtesy to others who might think their opinions are just as valid. And spob, after I posted I saw that the ignoramous comment was because you didn’t think she knew what she was talking about. But still, “ignoramous”?

  • gingerpye

    And Dee is not the only one you regularly insult. Or maybe I’m getting you mixed up with freeinpa. Right wing tendencies seem to bring out the worst in people.

  • apr2563

    spob: your response to gingerpye came to my email in error. To make you feel better I consider you an a$$hole, facist, bigot, mysoginist, uninformed, hate radio, glen beck lover and right wing tool.
    Does that make you feel better? It does me.

  • sacredh

    Why hasn’t anyone mentioned that Janet broke up Karl Rove’s marriage?

    Dammit. Janet.

  • scrappytommy

    Regardless of all the efforts we put forth, all the money we expend, all the agents we employ, all the equipment put in place, we have to provide protection in thousands of places 24/7. The enemy needs to succeed only once. This is a terrible task. No one will be able to overcome these attack attempts in all places all of the time. All we can do, whether Democrats or Republicans or any one else is in power, is to put forth our best efforts. All this Monday morning quarterbacking will accomplish nothing. Lessons will be learned in spite of the screaming.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Never call an elitist “dude”. Actually lowering your eyes when they speak or walk by is the proper protocol.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Now that’s class, Ms.apr!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    What is the plural of ignoramus? Ignoramuses? Ignoramae?

  • sacredh

    Ignorami. I can’t resist Rocky Horror Picture Show quotes.

  • hoop11

    How many times is this woman going to mess up and still be in office?

    She is another Joe.

    How can any Democrat say any
    thing about Sarah Palin and keep this in office?

    The main stream let’s Obama and his cabinet get away with murder and still they say nothing..
    …..
    If we did not have “Fox News” .

    We would have no “NEWS”

    THE people are waking up…………..

  • hoop11

    That is real funny…………….

  • hoop11

    she is not qualified to be a security guard.

    and notice how Obama want call these terrorist ………..

    “terrorist”?

  • hoop11

    Obama has been too busy cramming Health Care down our throat ……………..and not enough time on protecting us………………………….something we did not have to worry about after 9/11…………………………….He has been on a spending spree that has made him dizzy.
    He was not and is not qualified to lead………………..too many “Chicago Thugs” ……………………people with jobs way over their heads…………………….not to mention all these “Czars” that we are paying for………………”Van Jones?”

    Rev. Wright……………he would be in office if Obama had not had to throw him under the bus.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Ditto!!

  • hoop11

    Okay………I have 3 grandsons in the military……………………….do they believe Obama is behind them??????????????????……………..??
    That would be a “NO”………………Obama is too busy making “change we can believe in”………..This man is not concerned with protecting us………………got it??

    You only have to look at the last year….

    He will not listen to us the people………….we need jobs………he hires “Czars” ……….they have jobs……….so do all these worthless Congressmen that we send to Washington………………..

    I say take their jobs……………………next election………………I will not vote for our state Senators………..got it???????????

    Old Nancy can call me a “redneck” if she wants’ to……………..they sit up there and keep their jobs, their retirements and we suffer……….and they lie…..liel…lie

    I think it has taken all of this………………….to make me and others say ……………….”NO MORE”

  • hoop11

    Rusty……………….if a father rats on his son you should listen to him.

    For heaven sake, put him on the short list…..”no”…
    that lady is over her head………………….and she is responsible for my protection?

    “give me a gun”

    In this Administration this would be “Political incorrect”

    Don’t bother with anyone who may be a “Muslim”

    I am sick, sick of all this ACLU stuff……………they are a sick mess……………….and so prejudice.

  • hoop11

    Square, the main stream media is not going to hold anyone accountable in this “Administration”

    They put him up as the anointed one.
    He can not fail.
    They will not write anything until “”Fox News” as reported it for weeks and still will most of the time.

    This is a time that I have never seen in my life.
    The Chicago Tribune has let out a lot of info but the News networks have not. They have done a lot of brain washing.

    I first laughed at Glen Beck……….then I started checking what he was saying………………..and you know what…………..this young man knows how to connect his dots……………………he has some great re-search people……………….check it out.

    You are right………..if the others in this Cabinet were not held accountable, then why would old Janet?

  • hoop11

    Spob,
    I do not think that anyone cares about Obama having a vacation with his family. I believe he is a good father.

    It always made me sick when people would fuss because Bush went to his ranch. My, he could have been on some celebrate vacation we were paying for, but no, he just went to cut brush and they fussed.

    Sad souls….

    But when something happens and he is the one “on watch” we do expect him to give us his response.

    I really did not. after watching him for a year and seeing what he does……………….I believe what “Charles Krauthammer” has said “don’t listen to Obama, watch him.”

    If you have not read “Charles Krauthammer” you should google him, read his history,it will make you want to hear what he has to say. He is a very fair person, just facts, very smart.

  • hoop11

    althingsina

    We are just saying that she is not qualified for the job.

    she keeps back tracking and she just can’t do what she has been put in office to do.

    It is like this………..I love Sarah Palin………I think she is a smart woman……..she has so many many good qualities………and I would support her in them…………but would I want her to run the country? …………”NO”

    Just as I did not want Obama in office……….he is way over his head……………………

  • hoop11

    allthingsinaname,

    You can not just say that Senators voted against a bill with no reasons………………just does not happen………….these congressmen try to get things pushed in bills when they know that a bill really has a chance to get passed, like the “Defence bill” ……………….it passed…………..with all that “Pork”……………had some not voted for it, some would say……………….”look, those Republicans did not vote for this good bill”

    They are very snicking in Congress……….that is why they rate in the 20′s.

  • hoop11

    Oh, My………………….I can not let this go unchallenged………………………..you said that you can’t find any “crooks” in the Democrat Party?

    Am I reading right? Google old Barney Frank (and his friend at Fannie Mae) or Chris Dodd (and his sweetheart deal) Chalrey Rangel and his tax cheating…….need I go on??? where have you been?

    This Administration has so many crooks in it that it is and embarrassment to our country……………

    Go wash your mouth out …………………….now I am not saying there isn’t straying Republicans, but please don’t act so holy …………

    You really need to watch Glen Beck………..he can tell you what to read……….just facts………….you can check it for yourself.

    Just google “cooks in Dem.Party”

  • http://redheartbluestate.wordpress.com redheartbluestate

    Should Janet Napolitano continue to hold her post as head of homeland Security? I think not!

    Her first statement, insisting that “the system worked” was utterly ridiculous! She shamelessly dodged the fact that a foreign national, already on an international watch list, whose own father had already alerted authorities regarding his views and intentions, still managed to slip past airport security screening and board a US-flagged, US-bound aircraft, wearing an explosive charge of sufficiient strength to bring it down over US territory.

    Whom does this woman think she’s kidding?

  • lavamer

    Janet Napolitano is a total disgrace. IDIOT, STUPID, IGNORANT and more. She claims the borders are as safe as they ever were. Come on. The person, I guess I have to call her that, although there are a couple of other words that describe her better, is way off base. She is not even close to being the person we need in her position. We have to STOP illegal immigration. Maybe Immigration PERIOD. TOO MANY TAKERS, FAKERS, NO INTEGRITY type people in this country. It starts with the not so White House and all of Barry Soetoro Husseins clowns. I don’t believe in political correctness. It stinks, like your president. That man is an imposter and no good person.
    Concerned AMERICAN,
    L. Velasco

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