Senate Health Bill: The Economists Are Happy Again

Sure, these folks have fancy titles, but I am waiting to see what Sarah Palin’s facebook and twitter feed have to say first before being convinced.

why is that this sort of thing doesn’t get the sort of publicity that death panels get? This sort of thing should be shouted from the rooftops on the msm and cable chatter.

this bill should be easy to sell:

it vastly expands access to health insurance, imposes regulations on the insurance industry, brings down the deficit and has any number of cost containment provisions. What’s not to like?

“The Manager’s Amendment has strengthened the role of the body, now called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. The Amendment gives the Board the authority to produce annual reports beginning in 2014 and to report on privately financed medical care as well as care financed by Medicare. In addition, its recommendations will receive fast-track consideration under a broader set of circumstances than under the Senate Leadership Bill. ”
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Both annual reports starting in 4 years AND fast track consideration? Wow.

I bet by 2030 this thing will be good!

As their fellow economist John Maynard Keynes put it, “In the long run…”

KT, good morning. Speaking of savings, in senate bill will Medicare get back full negotiating powers with drug cos.? Also, re: joint committee, how do Reid, Pelosi and R leaders choose members? Do they pick favorites or are there pre-set “formulas” (seniority, comm. members, rock-paper-scissors, etc.)? I hope a new commission tries many recipes to limit fees-for-service. (re: recipes, try this, KT, I did yesterday –http://food.yahoo.com/recipes/epicurious/14163/raspberry-chocolate-chip-pancakes)
(I know I keep asking lots of q’s., sorry)

Unless and until a different Congress rolls back this “new welfare” before enough people feel any benefit.

Better get these economists talking to Obama’s liberal base!!

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Karen, thank you for your posts I really appreciate them.

I agree with Paul that they need to fast track the time on this bill and not only for political reasons.

There are a lot of good things in the House bill that could be added to make this bill a lot better. Fifty to sixty five years will not be happy paying three times more when the reason for mandatory was to add the young and healthy to even out the costs.

I think the reconciliation between the two bills will be interesting. I caught a little of Clyburn on Morning Joe yesterday and he said he would like to see the Public Option back. Looks like the Public Option is going to be used again for negotiating and then thrown out once more.

Wow an impressive list of economists — for the Russian Politburo, Notably absent was Paul Krugman and Robert Samuelson (yes he is dead but that never is a hurdle for liberals in voting)

Nobel Laureates? William Sharpe won for his Capital Asset Pricing Model. What may be noteworthy is in the work for which he won he did allow that even small input errors will lead to enormous output errors. That is something the CBO should pay special attention. And investors will attest to how well that model held up last year–not!

Mr. Arrow another Nobel winner was also a lead author in several Intergovernmental Panels reports on Climate Change. Something else liberals have tried to sweep past an unsuspecting public.

Just to put Arrow in perspective, he believes that behavioral economics is wrong or circumstances never change your economic behavior. He gave the example you buy a refrigerator to have food to feed your family for 10 years. Little things like unemployment and lower wages are incidental and won’t affect your buying of food. I guess to a liberal’s view someone will give them the money.

ONe other dirty little secret about Medicare. Seems that the rejection of claims rates at th every least are equal and in some cases exceed those of those horrible insurance companies. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/graph_of_the_day_for_december_20.html

The other untold truth (or lie) is the low adminstration costs of the Medicare system. No where in that number is their an allocation of the collection of “premiums” which is done as a tax through the IRS. And we know how efficient the IRS is!

Will liberals ever come clean?

“the bill that they regard as improvements: a stronger independent Medicare commission and a provision that broadens the number of pilot projects, and gives the HHS Secretary more authority to expand them if they prove to be successful.”

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And here I thought they would be more impressed with the big windfalls the Democrat Senators from all the States which had their votes BOUGHT or should I say BRIBED.
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You know, the new Lousiana Purchase of 300 MILLION DOLLARS for Sen Landreiu?
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Or, the new “Lifetime Exemption” for Oklahoma for Medicaid owed by the State for the new “enrollees” to Medicaid in that State? How much is that one worth? I’m guessing BILLIONS over time.
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Or, the various other perks contained such as Asbestosis funds for Montana *WINK* for Baccus, Pennsylvania and various other States who will be exempt from any Medicare cuts to Medicare Advantage. *WINK* How about it Sen Casey and Sen Specter???
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It seems that this bill is the biggest give-away of Government money since the Great Depression under Roosevelt. People all over the planet are lined up with their hands out for big bonuses. Even the Insurance Industry Lobbyists are very happy since their stock has risen dramatically over the past couple of days. It looks like this bill will pass, and what a boom. Everybody except the tax payer it seems is getting something. The taxpayers as usual get screwed.
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Now we can only hope people will wake up, see how our Country is being destroyed before our very eyes and boot these idiots out of office once and for all.

“Now we can only hope people will wake up, see how our Country is being destroyed before our very eyes and boot these idiots out of office once and for all.”
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You see dead people.
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I see…
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…affordable health care!

KT:
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I notice with hesitant excitement this passage from the letter:

The Amendment gives the Board the authority to produce annual reports beginning in 2014 and to report on privately financed medical care as well as care financed by Medicare. In addition, its recommendations will receive fast-track consideration under a broader set of circumstances than under the Senate Leadership Bill. These are important steps toward assuring that health care reform will significantly reduce health care inflation in both the public and private sectors.

If that’s true, then this is actually health care reform.
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If the focus is on the reduction of health care inflation, i.e. the hyper-inflationary health care prices on prescription drugs, hospitals, medical procedures and laboratory tests paid nowhere else in the OECD world, then this may be a workable system.
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Could you please, please ask any one of these economists why they so strongly believe that this Board will act to bring down the price of health care in the United States so that it’s in line with the average OECD nation?
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What mechanisms in particular are available to empower the Board and allow it to set prices for health care goods and services?
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How will the Board institute price controls on health care in the United States in “both the public and private sectors”, thus “significantly reduce health care inflation”?
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If this truly is the case, and these economists haven’t just bought a talking point fed specifically to them, then we’ll see real change for the better applied to the US’s dysfunctional health care system. If they are hoping without evidence that this Board will act in the manner they know is necessary to cut health care inflation, then that’s a different story altogether.
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Thanks so, so much in advance for settling this question, KT, this might be the most important development of the health care legislative process to date.

This bill was given more secrecy by Democrats than they do with our defense secrets. These economists, it is reasonable to assume have received no more than talking points.

Let’s assume that tis Miracle Board can fast track any recommendation that will lower costs. What factors are available to them that can impact costs?

1-What the patient pays
2-what the medical provider receives
3- Availability of service

The first option does not change the overall costs. The sum of taxes (premiums) plus out of pocket expenses is a zero sum if one goes up the other may fall or more likely both will rise.

The second option is the medical care provider gets squeezed. Long term will lead to less available providers or less qualified providers.

The last option, the availability of service or more plainly the rationing of care. This will be a factor. And yes the liberals already say this happens. That may be true but ib order to cut costs, rationing will need to be ratcheted up not stay within the current margin.

There will be nothing so unaffordable as affordable HC fo rall.

freeinpa:

The second option is the medical care provider gets squeezed. Long term will lead to less available providers or less qualified providers.

Not to be disagreeable, but that sounds like your ideology talking, not reality.
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Price controls on prescription drugs, hospitals, laboratory tests and medical procedures are how the rest of the wealthy countries in the world keep the cost of health care at half of ours, and get equal or better results.
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It’s only here that we have skyrocketing health care price inflation, and the health care that citizens of France or Germany or Japan get from their providers is the best in the world.
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You’re not seriously making the argument that Germans, for example, are seriously suffering from a lack of available or qualified providers, are you?

freeinpa:
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I’m sorry, I shouldn’t just toss out assertions of fact without links to back them up.
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Here’s a link to health statistics for the U.S. ( link to useful statistics ), in which the physician to 1000 patient ratio is given at 2.3 doctors per 1000 people in the U.S.
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Here’s another link to health statistics for Europe ( link to more helpful statistics ), in which the physician to 1000 patient ratio is given at 3.3 doctors per 1000 people in Germany.
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It’s the same deal for most of the European (health care price controlled) countries, of course. They all have significantly more doctors per people than we do. The nations that do worse than we do, England, Canada, aren’t doing that much worse than us. They have 2.1 doctors per 1000 people in the UK and Canada.
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Clearly they’re not getting half the care for paying half the price that we do in the United States. We’re just getting systemically ripped off because we let Medicare and Medicaid set price floors relatively secretly, instead of setting them out in the open like these other countries.

Free- you’re like Don Quixote, but instead of “tilting at windmills” you tilt at liberal conspiracies.
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Including Noble laureates in the discussion- liberal conspiracy (communist too). Arrow’s background in climate research- liberal conspiracy to sweep his history past the public. Arrow is a fraud (based on your 3 sentences that summarize his career) and his involvement is, of course, a liberal conspiracy. Dead people vote for liberals, claim denial rates decide efficacy, true medicare administrative costs (which you seem to argue are not significantly lower than for-profit insurers)… all liberal conspiracies.
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Don Freexote, your noble steed (supporting data) is really a skinny old horse (suppositions), your armor (objectivity) are really rags (ideology), your lance (sharp rhetoric) is really a stick (shrill cries of “the liberals are coming…”). End your quest and join the discussion.

SZ”

First of all, you are allowed to be disagreeable. Unlike nameless other here, your disagreements are well thought out and not knee jerk personal attacks.

Now…

“Price controls on prescription drugs, hospitals, laboratory tests and medical procedures are how the rest of the wealthy countries in the world keep the cost of health care at half of ours, and get equal or better results.”

I believe you are correct here however, in the role of unintended consequences, the drug and medical device providers may be capped in certain countries, they have not been here. When that happens there will be less incentive (profits) to aggressively pursue the next generation of drug or device because the risk.return ratio is altered significantly by price contriols. You may see product extension (other uses) for certain drugs but the days of a pipeline of billion dollars research drugs will be numbered.

“You’re not seriously making the argument that Germans, for example, are seriously suffering from a lack of available or qualified providers, are you?”

Quite honestly I have no objective way to determine if they are qualified and I am not sure you do as well. I would offer that high earnings (there is that wretched profit motive) attracts highly qualified people. Since cost controls rule Germany, I would suggest that all the best folks may not be practicing physicians. There is a study (a bit dated) that shows that in the US, a decline in income leads to a flight to retirement (Link:http://mcr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/58/3/361).

Another tidal wave will be sheer demographics. Example of geriatrics doctors which will fall dramatically. In 2000, there were 4.7 geriatric Dr. per 10,000 geriatrics which will fall to 3.6 in 2010, 2.8 in 2020 and all the way to 1.1 in 2050. (Sorry no link but this was in SmartMoney Mag Jan 2010).

Most of this points to falling number of doctors with a rising patient population, and a large number requiring extensive care. It is hard to see the cost curve falling and physicians rising. Not to be disagreeable

freeinpa:
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I have a really, really bad head cold, so it’s going to take me a while to respond to your points.
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Man, my face is really hurting right now.

pintortwo

I guess not unlike the conservative conspiracies that liberals tilt at here. Every conservative is a money grubbing corporate elitist who hates women, gays and minorities. That belief keeps most of the liberals getting up in the morning.

But you are wrong on your assumptions:
.” Dead people vote for liberals, claim denial rates decide efficacy, true medicare administrative costs (which you seem to argue are not significantly lower than for-profit insurers)… all liberal conspiracies”

These are not conspiracies but realities and lies of the left.
There has been bashing of the insurance cos. by liberals here and in Washington about how inefficient Insurance companies are and yet as seen on the link (no doubt a conspiracy by the AMA) denial rates and delays in payments (A cause of higher administrative costs) are at least as bad as Medicare and in most cases worse. Yet liberals hold up Medicare as a glorious big government victory. Costs for administration are also used as an example to glorify Medicare and yet, it becomes a bit inconvenient to compare apples to apples as those costs are truly not that low. And it is still on its way to insolvency.

Your noble steed is a donkey (or a jackass), I suggest you join reality. You may not like the facts as it makes the golden ring of health care just another liberal Trojan Horse that we cannot afford.

SZ;

No problem. I have a sinus infection as well. And I know the wait will be worth the answer.

Karen, I have a specific question. There was Lieberman Rockefeller (and another Senator from Rhode Island) amendment. Has it passed? Was it included in today’s votes?

I believe that amendment had an impact on how the independent body recommendations are triggered (I suspect with respect to Medicare growth rates, mostly; not sure but).

So do you have updates on that?

Thanks for your sustained reporting on this topic. It is all very valuable and hope you continue till it becomes the law.

I thought “Don Freexote” was pretty funny…
I guess that most of my gripe boils down to this: current Democrats are not liberals (they would desperately fight for single-payer and settle for PO, and to get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan, reform campaign finance, restrict lobbies, enforce stricter reg on industry, etc..) and current Republicans are not conservatives (they would never allow two wars of choice, not reduce taxes in the face of these wars, look at the mil budget as the greatest source of wasteful govt spending, and make a true effort at lowering HC costs [my opinion: they would rather win the rhetorical battle that the actual battle]). Congress is mostly inhabited by professional politicians struggling to hold power. Therefore, pitting Liberal Dems vs Conservative Repubs is folly. We all lose sight that the goal is to fix a broken system, not make each other look bad. I just picked on you because this post was a bit gratuitous.
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Full disclosure, your link re denial rates and service times was informative and backs your argument well. I simply don’t think that it is as impactful as you make it out to be.

freeinpa:
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OK, I’m going to try this, so bear with me, I’m not at my clearest or best.

in the role of unintended consequences, the drug and medical device providers may be capped in certain countries, they have not been here.

That’s an ideological argument, representative of true conservatism. You might be right. Sometimes you guys are right about the unintended consequences of liberals’ policies being strikingly adverse. A lot of times you’re wrong, which is why I’m a neo-neo-liberal.

When that happens there will be less incentive (profits) to aggressively pursue the next generation of drug or device because the risk.return ratio is altered significantly by price contriols.

That’s a drug company public relations talking point, it hasn’t actually happened that way in reality, as more and more stringent price controls have been put on these multinationals’ access to national markets like Japan or France or Italy. The credibility of these firms must be judged in relation to their interests, of course.

You may see product extension (other uses) for certain drugs but the days of a pipeline of billion dollars research drugs will be numbered.

Let’s say for the sake of discussion that there might be some truth to that argument. If that’s really true, shouldn’t the United States’ tax payers get some kind of a royalty from their sole support of R&D costs to multinational manufacturers?
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If what you and German-origin multinational Pfizer say is correct, isn’t that an insanely bad deal for the United States? How could you support the current system?
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That “pipeline” you’re talking about is a pipeline of trillions of US dollars, not Japanese Yen or European Euro! Do you support subsidizing the French health care system? If not, then how do you remedy the situation apart from the US setting price controls and then negotiating from strength with the rest of the OECD world?

Quite honestly I have no objective way to determine if they are qualified and I am not sure you do as well.

Sure you do!
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It’s the World Health Organization’s rankings! We’re mediocre, and the Germans are equal to or better than us in almost every category of health care outcomes.
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But really…does common sense tell you that the reason the Germans have more doctors per patient than we do is because they’re less qualified than ours? The Germans allow that to happen? To German people? Really?

I would offer that high earnings (there is that wretched profit motive) attracts highly qualified people. Since cost controls rule Germany, I would suggest that all the best folks may not be practicing physicians.

That’s an market fundamentalist’s ideological argument again. They don’t have nearly as many attorneys as we do, and they have more doctors. Whose incentives are truly better than whose? What does the data suggest?
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They’re doing better than we are, and spending just about half. Their industries are free of health care-related costs, and enjoy a competetive edge.
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Their systems are simpler and easier citizens to navigate and administrators to predict costs. They treat German citizenship like it really means something, and that’s the way Americans should think of each other, like we’re fellow citizens who would fight to defend each others’ families’ lives like our own. They’re super-patriotic over there, and their stuff works. How can you seriously be against that, if it weren’t for ideological assumptions about how things should work in theory?

Most of this points to falling number of doctors with a rising patient population, and a large number requiring extensive care. It is hard to see the cost curve falling and physicians rising.

Nope, it doesn’t.
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It points to prices of prescription drugs, laboratory tests, hospitals and medical procedures coming down from real-estate boom highs to normal and in line with the rest of the wealthy world.
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It also points to doctors having less of their time and capital devoted to paperwork associated with negotiations with insurers over variable prices. That’s just common sense, not ideology or “all things equal” economic theory, and you know it.
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The one thing I’d say we’re still going to have a problem with is all of that debt that doctors and specialists are saddled with for the cost of their education, and the cost of malpractice insurance. These prices also happen to be wildly out of step with the rest of the developed world.
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I’ll make you this deal, freeinpa: I’ll accept the cheap German way of handling malpractice tort, if you’ll accept the free medical university education provided to patriotic German citizens by their functional government.
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Deal?
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Man, my head is killing me…

SZ”

Let’s call the unintended consequences a toss-up at this point.

As far as the US tax payer supporting R&D costs and getting a royalty, I believe begs the question as to why single out one industry for this? And I am sure you would be quick to say let all companies pay the US Government a royalty (The taxpayer never sees any money paid to the government). That is a deliberate road to socialism and outside of left bloggers and the MSM you are on the wrong end of that be a way of life in the U.S. What is the real issue is the U.S. tax code which is a monument to special interests of all types. Simplying the tax code would eliminate much of this wrangling.

“Do you support subsidizing the French health care system?”

Well through our bloated federal government and budget are we not subsidizing tens of countries worth billions and billions of dollars for a variety of issues? So are you in affect arguing for an isolationist US foreign policy? If so, then we can use that $100 billion for global warming to poorer countries that Ms Clinton announced to bolster HC. I am sure with all the other aid we could come close to a trillion dollars for health care. It may not be the best overall policy but it might be worth a look.

“It’s the World Health Organization”

Sorry I believe few if any reports from the WHO, UN or IMF. Over the years, they have become home for elitist politcal hacks with definite agendas, most at odds to the U.S. interests. I would be willing to use all money the U.S. gives to these organization to add to the health care pot as well.

“They don’t have as many attorneys as we do, and they have more doctors”

Yes and the reason is they do not have a lotto mentality that the left loves. Our costs as a country overall are reflective of that mentality. I might guess our doctor enrollment might increase as the lawyers death grip on the left decreases.

“They treat German citizenship like it really means something”

You won’t like this but I agree. Unfortunately here idealogical liberals treat patriotism as a punch line. They view the U.S. not as a nationality but a collection of special interest groups. Check the illegal immigration debate. They are people who have broken a law to be here. A good number of those have committed other crimes. There are liberal outposts that aid and abet this group of lawbreakers. In the end the left wants to hand them citizenship while others who are playing by the rules and working hard cannot obtan citizenship. Could you picture a scenario like this happening in Germany? I don’t mean to turn this into a illegal immigrant debate but you cannot pick an aspect of a country and compare here without putting it on equal terms.

“less of their time and capital”

I am willing to believe your curent medical condition has scored a coup over your usual good common sense. Do you honestly believe that this new nightmare of gaggle of regulatory and government bodies will lessen paperwork and capital medical entities will need to devote to this? I doubt if the government fairiies will fill in for current staff. With thousands of pages in this law, I would safely guess those cost and staff will increase. It will certainly be the full employment act for lawyers. The AMA had released a study that Medicare had claim rejection rates on par or higher than HC insurance companies. Claim payments were also late.

Do the Germans have hundreds of government agencies over seeing thier system.

I would accept the offer of free medical education for those doctors that would service the poor and underserved areas of the country for an extended period. Tort reform would be an added bonus.

freeinpa:
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I’ll agree to leave it there, except for one item that needs addressing:

Unfortunately here idealogical liberals treat patriotism as a punch line.

I just got done writing a heartfelt note inside of a little surprise card I made for my wife. In it, I proposed that we institute a new holiday for ourselves and our little family called “Citizenship Day”, to commemorate what will take place tomorrow. I’m going to take it out of my pocket and give it to her after the ceremony is over, and I put her down from hugging her.
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You see, tomorrow morning –the day before Christmas Eve, when we’ll go to church services at midnight– my Lovely Bride is going to swear her oath, and become a naturalized citizen of the United States of America.
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It’s going to be a beautiful day tomorrow, when I can look at my wife and say “We’re Americans!” to her. I’ve been looking forward to this day for almost five years now, since I proposed to her in 2005, and married her in 2006.

I’m trying to beat this bad head cold by staying home today, so that this wonderful occasion isn’t marred by sniffles and coughs, and the inaugural celebration of “Citizenship Day” gets off to an auspicious start.
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I’m so proud of my Lovely Bride for accepting the rights and responsibilities that come with being an American. I believe this country is better off for having her as a citizen.
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She’s not quite as liberal as I am, but believe me when I say to you that neither of us treat patriotism as a punch line.
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Seriously, if there’s one thing you can believe in, it’s that liberals like us love our country –I can finally say that tomorrow!– enough to swear an oath of allegiance on a fine December morning, and to literally shed a tear of joy on its hearing
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Think about that, freeinpa. Think about “Citizenship Day” the next time you tell yourself that liberals like me and my Lovely Bride don’t love America. Will you?

SZ, if your career doesn’t involve teaching, especially difficult material to the very uneducated or helping the learning-challenged, the world is missing out on a genuine talent. Your patience is nothing less than saintly.
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Hope your cold gets better. And Merry Christmas indeed.

pintortwo

I agree politicians of both parties are nothing but political whores who would sell their mother to get elected again.

I appreciate your acknowledgement of the link but not your conclusion. Fair enough.

SZ:

I spoke with a broad brush about liberals which probably was not fair. Not all liberals hate their country and many serve it well. The part that chaps my ass was going to college during the Vietnam era and having liberals harass and attack men who served their country. That memory was brought up with Iraq. People protesting at funeral services of fallen soldiers is beyond disgusting. The left claimed protesting was exercising their rights. Now when Obama is criticized it is the end of civilization as we know it or that old favorite racism.

Even the issue of flying a flag. The excuses to have them taken day are truly colorful but what lies at the heart of it is that many liberals hate a display of patriotism.

I understand what you are saying but you may be closer to the exception than the rule.

Congratulations to your bride, I know exactly how you must feel. My bride of 29 years did the very same thing several years back.

shepherwong: You are stilll an idiot. SZ and I can disagree on many things and state our cases in a civil manner. It is doubtful you walk upright.

“Unlike nameless other here, your disagreements are well thought out and not knee jerk personal attacks.”
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You are stilll an idiot…It is doubtful you walk upright.”
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Besides being a two-faced hypocrite, you’re also a bald-faced liar:
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“The part that chaps my ass was going to college during the Vietnam era and having liberals harass and attack men who served their country. That memory was brought up with Iraq. People protesting at funeral services of fallen soldiers is beyond disgusting. The left claimed protesting was exercising their rights.”
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Liberals and “The left” never did any of those things so you’re either a partisan liar or a deluded paranoid, possibly both. Anyway, Merry Christmas @sshole.

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In the Regional State Administration in the archives of Х26148 is evidence and the failure of the President of Career and many officials where the main role played Kyslynskyi (Moskal know) and sent by fax to the fund Ekaterina Yushchenko 2006, no one know who saved the life of the President and the citizens of Ukraine.

Therefore for us and to the nemae securing for intellectual property, but I Gorbulinu in did in kar’eru. In Evropi above all things bachut’ man so as I was seen by the consul of Pol’shi Yaroslav Ksenzhik. To god that I did not write script clip where passage-way on elections of dae 90 percents of beautiful result! To Ukraine! I can not arrive in KYIV and be as a cadger near a baba Paraski! On the large failing such for us are skilled questions!
Р.Р.
Only the huge sponsor for dictators and a victory to a bad mode of authority, is our indifference, a negligence, egoism and a sluggishness in decisions of questions! What sense of living by the example to uphold moral principles of trust and increase of intellectual level of our society is in.

Valery Harchenko, the culturologist of Ukraine.