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Coburn Heartburn

As Karen notes below, Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma–who, with James Inhofe, constitute the most extreme Senate delegation from any state–prayed for the incapacitation or death of a Democratic Senator so that health care would be blocked. But that wasn’t all. He also offered this:

“The crisis of confidence in this country is now at an apex that has not seen in over 150 years, and that lack of confidence undermines the ability of legitimate governance,” he said. “There’s a lot of people out there today who…will say, ‘I give up on my government,’ and rightly so.”

This is borderline sedition. Coburn–who had a friendly relationship with Senator Barack Obama–is saying that giving up on the U.S. government is justified. This helps stoke the hatred of those extremists who see Barack Obama’s presidency as illegitimate. It also comes dangerously close to incitement to violence. It certainly deletes Coburn from the list of those who can be considered loyal to the most important American ideals. He should clarify what he means by these statements–and apologize for his hate speech, immediately.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    “It certainly deletes Coburn from the list of those who can be considered either loyal to the most important American ideals.”

    Are you new here?

  • sevenoaks07

    Color me “NOT SURPRISED”. De Mint and Coburn are out of touch and have no sense of decency. Coburn is a physician: perhaps he should re-visit his oath.

  • juniusredivivus

    Sedition and treason are the new principles of the GOP, with a hefty dose of racism and pseudo-Christianity and faux conservatism . It seems that the permanent minority recognizes that the majority of the American people have no use for their degenerate, obstructionist, unpatriotic ways, and so they hope to revive the Confederate South. It should be interesting to see what happens when they realize that this sort of shrill and vicious nonsense is a one-way ticket to oblivion.

  • gysgt213

    “As Karen notes below, Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma–who, with James Inhofe, constitute the most extreme Senate delegation from any state–prayed for the incapacitation or death of a Democratic Senator so that health care would be blocked.”
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    You people really need to stop. Unless you have some other portions of Coburn’s quote that shows that is what he was praying for I think its pretty irresponsible to take this from what he was seeming to do all the way to fact that he did it.
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    As I said before I am no fan of Coburn, but there is no need to make things up especially when you people can call his office and asked what he meant.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The Centrists must be taking a day off from attacking Liberals.

  • gysgt213

    I want to remind every one that this made up story that Joe and Karen highlighted here is from Dana Milbank. You all know the guy who wrote a column and describedObama as the “presumptuous one.”

  • Matt

    This is only the most tame of vitriolic language coming from the right. It’s as if you aren’t a true conservative unless you actively encourage rebellion and violence against the United States government.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • sevenoaks07

    Gunny: there is a video of this. I think it’s at CandL. I saw it and his meaning was clear, at least to me. Also saw a piece in which Durbin takes time from Sherrod Brown to invite Coburn back to the floor and explain what he meant.

  • octavian21

    All this hatred towards the president and government is a smoke screen to hide their racist ways. They can’t stand that a black man with a muslim name is president. Just put on the white robes all ready. Stop hiding behind “government” and just say that you hate minorities. To those of us that are not white or have an ethnic name it is obvious and there is no need to hide your true intentions.

  • octavian21

    If Obama is so dangeous than why are the progressives and liberal snobs all in a hissy fit to bring him down? It is clear that Obama is not the liberal socialist that the right makes him out to be.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Die, Byrd, die!!! Get off the stage you frail old coot!” –Sen. Coburn (?)

  • homerhk

    I am getting worried about Sen. Byrd. How many more 60 votes are needed before this thing passes for goodness sake?

  • freeinpa

    Joe:

    “constitute the most extreme Senate delegation from any state”

    Your above atatement signifies one of two things: 1) you are without a doubt cluless, 2) you as most of the media have concluded there is no such thing as an extreme liberal position.

    Here is a list you could try on for size: Murray, Franken, Mikulski, Feinstein, Sanders, Wyden and Whitehouse.

    Also how amazing silent you were, actually I stand corrected; you werre there encouraging all of the dissidents and crackpots for the past 8 years, only then liberals viewed that as patriotic opposition.

    Flushing noise again Joe. Unfortunately, it is not only your career but this country as well.

  • schuelma

    At first glance, it is a bad comment, though I honestly doubt he meant he was wishing for anyone’s death.

    What I find surprising..ok I don’t find it surprising at all..is that democratic comments such as the ones from Harry Reid comparing anyone not voting for the bill to proponents of slavery doesn’t get a single mention on this blog.

    I also find it interesting that there is nothing about the democrats forcing a bill on Christmas Eve that is opposed by the majority of the country. But I guess that’s ok when the authors of this blog clearly agree with the bill’s contents.

  • octavian21

    What Reid said is true. Over half the nation opposed slavery and civil rights. What do you think happened to their families? They are still here raging against our first minority pres.

    As society evolves health care will be presumed even by the rabid racists as an essential right for all. Just as slavery that was such a polarizing topic 100 years ago is now considered wrong even by (some) racist, um I mean republicans.

  • stuartzechman

    There’s nothing like whipping up stupid, tribal liberals by waving shiny, inconsequential, rightist objects in front of their faces to make centrists’ contempt complete.

  • queencersei

    “The crisis of confidence in this country is now at an apex that has not seen in over 150 years”
    Really Senator Coburn? Health Care legislation is a bigger deal to you then Civil War, two World Wars, two impeachment trials, a Great Depression, the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicade, Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon?
    Somebody mail this clown a U.S. history book.

  • freeinpa

    The last defense of the shameless- RACE. ACORN is full of frauds and thefts but saying so is racist. You have a President systematically destroying an economy and its racist.

    Look up the word incompetent that’s a more accurate description of this administration. But that is harder for adoring followers to defend.

  • stuartzechman

    Anybody remember when Hillary brought up that Barack might get assassinated like RFK?

  • freeinpa

    He also took an oath as a Senator something liberals seem to have no problem ignoring

  • schuelma

    octavian- You are seriously equating slavery and basic civil rights with the government requiring people to buy health care from insurance companies or be penalized. Really?

  • freeinpa

    Liberals for over 40 years have attacked every institution in this country, every law and the fabric of the Constitution itself and now you believe that expressing a concern that this country is sliding into socialism and bankruptcy is sedition.

    What a fantastical world you all live in!

  • gysgt213

    “Also saw a piece in which Durbin takes time from Sherrod Brown to invite Coburn back to the floor and explain what he meant.”
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    So what is the problem with just asking his office what he meant instead of running with what he must of meant. I’m sure Senator Coburn will claim he didn’t mean to imply some harm should come to Byrd, but still.

  • 53_3

    Hey, freeinpa:
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    You got no call to blame him.
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    Just look at the chorus of hatemongers singing daily over your right shoulder.
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    And I’ll remind you, like I reminded Exiled a while back:
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    If you don’t want that label always sticking to you, perhaps you ought to do something about your, kaff kaff, ahem, “entertainers”.
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    After all, freeinpa, they are your problem, not ours…

  • http://polderjongen.wordpress.com/ Polderboy

    So when 60 Senators do make it to vote for cloture, am I to understand that God wanted it that way? And Republicans are doing the devil’s work?

  • 53_3

    Merry Christmas, freeinpa!
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    I couldn’t be more overjoyed…

  • freeinpa

    Incompetence- He is several levels above his paygrade!

  • 53_3

    Depends on which side has the biggest guns…

  • 53_3

    No waterloo for you!
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    Too bad…

  • palininatowel

    The rest of his prayer wasn’t any better…

    “I also ask Americans to pray that so-called ‘scientists’ finally admit that the Earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the Earth, and not the other way around.”

  • freeinpa

    octavian21

    Yes and it was the Democrats who were wrong then and wrong now. Some things just

  • stuartzechman

    Gunny:
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    The problem is that Dana Milbank said the conclusion that Coburn is praying for Byrd’s death is “inescapable”:

    It was difficult to escape the conclusion that Coburn was referring to the 92-year-old, wheelchair-bound Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.V.) who has been in and out of hospitals and lay at home ailing.

    So it’s virtually impossible to come to any other conclusion about what somebody meant when they said they were praying for some miracle to occur to stop a health care reform vote in the Senate, because Dana Milbank said so.
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    Dana “Mad Bitch Beer” Milbank’s impeccable credibility on the subject of inadvisable commentary gives liberals and centrists official permission to froth and yell about the hated right’s inadvisable comments.

  • freeinpa

    53

    Quick qoute the “Southern Strategy”

    everything else is Blah blah blah blah!

  • 53_3

    Actually, Reid was right. You need to review your US History.
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    The intransigence that eventually led to the Civil War was based on the economics of slavery.
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    The intransigence that failed to stop Health Care Reform was based on the economics of health care.
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    I famed the statements in exactly the same form so anyone can see the similarities!

  • helee

    I’m a Democrat and Obama supporter, but I think this expressed outrage is a little faux. Coburn probably wasn’t really hoping someone would die — maybe just get stuck in D.C. unexpectedly-deep snow. Without the words, “I hope some Democrat dies or is incapacitated,” his comment was just the usual asinine flapdoodle (to channel Mark Twain) that has characterized this whole mess of a health care reform debate.

    When you read the rest of Mr. Klein’s referenced article, the good/evil distinction seem even less clear. After noting Coburn’s nonsense, the artcice notes:

    “…But Democrats weren’t in the best position to take the high road Sunday evening. One of their own members, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.) had just delivered an overwrought jeremiad comparing the Republicans to Nazis on Kristallnacht, lynch mobs of the South, and bloodthirsty crowds of the French Revolution.
    “Too many colleagues are embarked on a desperate, no-holds-barred mission of propaganda, obstruction and fear,” he said. “History cautions us of the excesses to which these malignant, vindictive passions can ultimately lead. Tumbrils have rolled through taunting crowds. Broken glass has sparkled in darkened streets. Strange fruit has hung from southern trees.” Assuming the role of Old Testament prophet, Whitehouse promised a “day of judgment” and a “day of reckoning” for Republicans.”

    Yowling and posturing are no substitute for intelligent debate, and yacking on about the preferred deathof ones colleagues is no substitute for focussing on the good of America — which appears to be the last thing on any Congresscritter’s mind.

  • 53_3

    “..Blah blah blah blah”
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    Well, you know what, freeinpa?
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    It seems that the American people just did exactly the same thing to you.
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    And, btw, freeinpa, you rebutted nothing of what I said!
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    Please try again. This time, address the comment

  • slowp

    Hey, Oklahoma: For God’s sake secede already!

  • freeinpa

    Ah but it is at the heart of liberals arguments for anything. They can never win on the basis of fact so vilify, name call and degrade. I am sure the race card will be flying shortly.

    It’s a tired old playbook but for a lot that is mentally exhausted and morally bankrupt it is the best they can do.

  • gwbc

    Shame on Coburn> He deserves no benefit of the Doubt,

  • 53_3

    With the exception of the last two lines, that describes exactly what the Republicans have been doing. It’s an open secret that they wanted this to be Obama’s waterloo.
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    Stating so is not really that big a deal. I would spend more time on criticizing the Spittle and Froth crowd for their more or less serial bouts of outrage.
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    And, further, consider the possibility that maybe the only unifying explanation for their behavior is pathology…

  • freeinpa

    53 -party of one -Judge and jury What a burden you carry for a sanctimonious twit

    You must be related to Obama 2 folks who claim to knwo everything and have done nothing.

  • 53_3

    Oklahoma and Texas can become a nation of tow, and get rid of those ugly panhandles to boot…

  • 53_3

    …two….

  • freeinpa

    53

    Becaue you say nothing. You rant and rave then certify your opinion as fact then say nothing was refuted.

    There is nothing to refut- You are nothing whittled to a point

    So it is Blah blah blah blah

  • 53_3

    Freeinpa, you can yell at me all you want, but I’m going to guess that my 40 years of experience in the Black community trumps your Rush Limbaugh.
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    Other than that, you still have yet to rebut the comments I made!
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    Please try again…

  • windingmywatch

    He didn’t say that at all …

    What he said (if you watch the video) was that Americans might pray that not all the Senators show up for the vote.

    It was Durban who made the remarks

  • freeinpa

    53

    40 years in the black community and they still have problems? Maybe they should sue you for incompetence.

    Or maybe you understand a whole lot less than you claim.

  • freeinpa

    Since it is history maybe we will have to see how this health cares works out. He may be more of a prophet than a historian.

  • 53_3

    So then, what you are saying is that Rush Limbaugh “likes” the Black community? Why is it that the Black community doesn’t think so?
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    Do you think that they will appreciate O’Reilly in the same fashion? Just asking.
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    And yes, that bad old word Southern Strategy, which is an open secret, are you claiming, against all evidence and talk the past 40 years that it was not a strategy that the GOP used?
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    Ok.
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    Now, over to you…

  • freeinpa

    Don’t confuse the issue with real facts. The loony left has spoken with their “facts” and that’s all that matters

  • 53_3

    Just to toss a wrench in your other wheel, freeinpa, didn’t you forget that your own investigator found nothing other than poor management practices at ACORN?
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    Let’s see you handle both this comment and the ones just above…

  • nflfoghorn

    Or that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the moon is made of green cheese and all God’s people become pro-life by force.

  • cfukara

    ” .. What a fantastical world you all live in!”

    Saying, suggesting, implying or even thinking that our USA is a “fanatical world” is borderline treasonous.

  • notfooledbydistractions

    Coburns comment actually pales in comparison to many others I’ve heard from those on the right. They range from the hilariously delusional to outright digusting and offensive. I’ve stopped paying attention to anything that comes from the mouths on the right, they have long ago proven that they are not interested or willing to do the work of the people. They are only here to stop the democratic administration – they’re clearly putting party loyality above working for the common good. Did you notice that they only meaningful debate we saw on health care reform came from within the democratic party – the republicans wasted our time with nonsense – death panels, killing grandma, etc. You have to wonder, since they resorted to such nonsense, if the right is just incapable of having an intelligent discussion on policy – it certainly appears so. So in my eyes, the right is totally irrelevant and not worth listening to – I want to know about the policy, not nonsense commentary, but it appears that’s all they have left. It’s like adults arguing with 7 year olds, it’s just not worth the time or effort.

  • 53_3

    “40 years in the black community and they still have problems? Maybe they should sue you for incompetence.”
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    Can you elaborate on this statement please? I’m quite interested now. I’m not sure what you mean by “problems”. And why should they sue me for incompetence?
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    “Or maybe you understand a whole lot less than you claim.”
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    Do I now? I have friends, relatives, my wife, my children, their kids, neighbors, and over long periods of time and I’m still missing something?
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    Can you be more specific and tell me just what it is that I’m missing here?
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    Please try again. Address the comments.

  • palininatowel

    We can always count on Micheal Steele to rein in the inanity of his team:

    Steele: Dems ‘flipping the bird’ to American people

  • michaelfury

    “The crisis of confidence in this country is now at an apex that has not seen in over 150 years, and that lack of confidence undermines the ability of legitimate governance”

    This much is true.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/forgive-and-forgetforget/

  • queencersei

    Let’s meet back in 50 years and see how it all plays out.

  • 53_3

    Was Senator Byrd the only one who had not appeared yet when Coburn made those comments?
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    If there were others, he has an out.
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    If only Byrd was still absent, I would say that Coburn deserves all the flack he’s getting.

  • palininatowel

    And this part:
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    “Jesus died because of this health care bill abomination. I hope y’all are happy now.”

  • nflfoghorn

    Yeah, but His health care plan really took off.

  • freeinpa

    “Why is it that the Black community doesn’t think so?”

    Another “53 fact” And I suppose you have personally to Limbaugh about his positions or just more “53 fact”

    “Do you think that they will appreciate O’Reilly in the same fashion? Just asking.”

    More supposition?

    “nothing other than poor management practices at ACORN?”

    How many states are still pursuing indictments? I am just asking?

    And wasn’t a black woman board member terminated to save the whitle liberal founder in New Orleans who stole somewhere around $2 mil? I am just asking?

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Okay, I have looked all over the internet and even listened to Rush for a few minutes: He seems to think the public option is not dead yet. Might it be added at the very end? Is there still reason to hope?

  • nonyabizz

    Without the words, “I hope some Democrat dies or is incapacitated,” his comment was just the usual asinine flapdoodle (to channel Mark Twain) that has characterized this whole mess of political debate.

    fify

  • freeinpa

    Since YOU are the Black Community expert, I assume you know all their problems and since you having been “working” there with you wive, kids, relatives, friends (remember no double counting) they have been fixed.

    If they haven’t What the hell have you been doing for 40 years besides whining and spouting Southern Strategy Southern Strategy?

  • freeinpa

    Agreed but it won’t take that long if the history of Medicare and Socail Security are any barometer

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    JK, you slanderous fool! This is worse than Karen’s egregious conclusion.
    …prayed for the incapacitation or death of a Democratic Senator so that health care would be blocked…
    How would you extrapolate such from a simple utterance?
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    Furthermore, I am sick and tired of you throwing around the word ‘sedition’ you authoritarian fanatic. The people do not owe their allegiance to the government, the government owes its allegiance to the people. You’re a real piece of work, JK. Hate speech? Che cazzo!

  • cfukara

    ” .. Coburns comment actually pales in comparison to many others I’ve heard from those on the right. ..”

    So we seem to know about “borderline sedition” and “comes close to inciting violence”?

    Can we recognize the real thing when we see it? And when we do recognize it, then what do we do? [Remember Sen Eugene McCarthy?]

  • freeinpa

    Amen.

  • freeinpa

    “that our USA ”

    I believe your phrasing says it all about the left

  • palininatowel

    Slander?
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    So I assume Saint Coburn will be suing.

  • Art Pepper

    Joe Klein has already shown that he believes the executive branch can give “direct orders” to civilians.
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    Klein on FISA:
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    “[...] selective immunity to those telecoms who can provide written proof that they were acting in response to a direct order from the government. That seems fair to me.”
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2007/11/21/latest_column_22/

  • stuartzechman

    neorationalist86:
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    It’s revolting to those of us liberals not as interested in denouncing the hated right by whatever means as others.

  • livefreeordie1776

    Typical liberal drivel invoking hate speech. The Democrats ignore the MAJORITY of the public in a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY and you whine about this? You’re a joke.

    As for praying for the death of a Democrat senator? What’s the problem? I pray for the death of Democrats all the time. It is the only thing that will save our liberty and republic. We can’t wait until they abort themselves out of existence… so hopefully a few have heart attacks, strokes, etc. What they are doing is putting my family’s health and financial stability in jeopardy. As far as I’m concerned, these socialist scum deserve as much misery and suffering as they can get. Oh, is that hate speech? You know what? I don’t care. Maybe when the author’s family member is denied a treatment or is waiting in line for something, he’ll finally see the big picture that sucking off Obama every chance he got helped destroy this country.

    Bitter? Yes I am. Don’t EFF with my family in the name of your GOD Obama.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Palin~
    Are we playing semantics here?
    I’m not a Coburn supporter, by the way. I have no allies in Congress. Regrettably they are all seditious liars. That does not change the fact that Joe Klein is being a manipulative instigator of left-right discord, to the benefit of his all-hallowed center. And you’re eating it right up. It’s JK who is acting seditious. He is stoking the flames of civil unrest with his libelous accusations.

  • grollican

    Fine words, Exiled. Are we to assume you’ve dumped the pedophile church and Nazi pope as well?

  • palininatowel

    I hope you plan to get off your fat ass and do something about it. You certainly seem to be angry enough. Any plans to storm the barricades?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    SZ~
    JK and his ilk are dangerous. On the one hand, many progressives willingly take his interpretation of Coburn’s comment as the word of, well, whatever it is you hold sacred. (Sorry, that was a low blow joke. My apologies.) This furthers hatred of the right, on baseless grounds, however. On the other hand, conservatives, and especially Republicans, should be outraged at the blatant hyperbolic misrepresentation of Coburn, an unfortunately typical response to conservative comments. JK is creating animosity and controversy where none exists, further dividing the left and the right, encouraging distrust, skepticism, and downright hostility. I wonder if JK wants civil war? I consider his kind to be the most dangerous in America, the true purveyors of sedition.

  • palininatowel

    Wait, Exiled, you called Joe a “slanderous fool” for suggesting that Coburn may have been guilty of “borderline sedition,” and then you turn around and call Klein “seditious?”
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    Hilarious! You obviously do not recognize irony when it bites you in the ass!
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    And “playing semantics?” You are the one accusing Klein of “slander” and suggesting his accusations about Coburn are “libelous.”
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    Do you think Saint Coburn should sue Joe and Time?
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    You are, as always, highly entertaining in your hyperbole, EAH!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Grollican, my dear old friend. How are we today? Frothing at the mouth still, I see.
    ~
    As for your rather rudimentary, and dishonest commentary, might I remind you that Pope Benedict, as all young Germans of the time, was conscripted into the mandatory Hitler Youth. Hardly indicative of any Nazi sympathies. I can’t believe I’m actually responding to such nonsense. Peace.

  • kevin

    Can someone translate “freeinpa” into English for me?

  • kevin

    Please. Oklahoma gets $1.36 in federal spending back for every $1 its citizens pay in taxes. I’m sick of all my money going to these red-state welfare queens.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Palin~
    Actually, I was calling him slanderous for extrapolating such venomous conclusions from Coburn’s rather harmless comment, which in no way would be interpreted, by a reasonable being, as a prayer for death or incapacitation of a Democratic Senator.
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    And, were I to have called him slanderous for his sedition comment, it would be hypocrisy, not irony. Irony refers to dual meanings, one surface meaning which most recognize, and then the actual subtle meaning, which is the opposite of the surface meaning. It’s ok though, most people don’t understand irony, so you are far from alone.

  • kevin

    The Democrats ignore the MAJORITY of the public in a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY

    You realize that the Democrats became the Majority party in Washington because the majority of Americans voted for them to occupy the majority of seats in the House, the majority of seats in the Senate, and the White House?

    It’s how a representative democracy works.

  • diecash1

    It always translates into “Blah, blah, blah” for me.

  • grollican

    My poor dear Exiled, it is hardly my fault that Benedict Ratzinger was a Hitler Youth leader. Others in his position either found ways not to serve Nazi tyranny, or even tried to remove Hitler. Little Josef Ratzinger did not. I also note that you have stopped peddling the tiresome claim that since only 1% of Catholic priests are known pedophiles all is well with the “church’. One hopes that for the sake of your soul you will reject and denounce this vile assembly of heretics and child-molesters and rejoin decent Americans in their rejection of such tainted foreign influences.

  • palininatowel

    No, EAH, the irony is that you were mirroring the very actions you were criticizing. It would be hypocritical if you had realized it, but since you were evidently clueless, it was ironic.

  • palininatowel

    Coburn’s bill to build a giant auger that will drill through the Earth to China in order to undermine the Chinese economy requires proof that the Earth is flat. The digging is much easier through a thin, wafer-like planet rather than an orb.

  • 53_3

    freeinpa “Since YOU are the Black Community expert, I assume you know all their problems and since you having been “working” there with you wive, kids, relatives, friends (remember no double counting) they have been fixed.”
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    But what are these “problems” that you speak of? Which ones am I supposed to “fix”? I guess the flipside is that I am to assume that you, freeinpa, are the real expert on the Black community?

    freeinpa “Another “53 fact” And I suppose you have personally to Limbaugh about his positions or just more “53 fact”"
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    So what you are saying then is that I’m wrong and that the Black community likes Rush Limbaugh? That they don’t find that “Barak the Magic Negro” is offensive? That they don’t mind that he’s stated on many occasions that the GOP “doesn’t need diversity”? Have you ever asked anyone in the Black community what they think?
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    Perhaps then, you could enlighten me as to what the Black community thinks, since freinds, relatives, a wife + children and relations of 40 years in length is clearly not enough.
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    Address this right here!. Inquiring minds want to know, freeinpa!
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    53 Do you think that they will appreciate O’Reilly in the same fashion? Just asking.
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    freeinpa “More supposition?”
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    Is this supposition?

    Is his rant about whites building America supposition? Lots of other goodies, freeinpa.
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    Address this here!
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    53 nothing other than poor management practices at ACORN?
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    Okaaay. But it seems to be big in only in the minds of FOXworld.
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    “How many states are still pursuing indictments? I am just asking?”
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    “And wasn’t a black woman board member terminated to save the whitle liberal founder in New Orleans who stole somewhere around $2 mil? I am just asking?”
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    Provide links please. I’m not sure what this is, but what is your point? Let’s just say that what this is is racism. Ok, it is. What does it prove?

  • 53_3

    Qute a bit, freeinpa. Quite a bit. Nice dbl post.
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    So far, you’ve failed to address every point.
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    Please try again…

  • fhmadvocat

    gysgt213,

    You are right. For all we know, Coburn could have been praying that a Democratic Senator got caught in a snow drift.

    However, even praying for someone to get caught in a snowdrift portends ill will towards a colleage and Senator Coburn needs to apologize to the assembly.

  • 53_3

    I’ve pointed out rural subsidies that these guys overlook when they argue about incomer distribution, but hell, they won’t listen.
    .
    I say we cut “real America” off if they hate income redistribution so much…

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Livefree~
    Classy…

  • 53_3

    “Don’t EFF with my family in the name of your GOD Obama.”
    .
    livefreeordie1…
    .
    MERRY CHRISTMAS!
    .
    Wow. I was right about my comment concering yuletide death threats after all…

  • 53_3

    Not quite up to 2/3srocks and his rant to shepardwong on JK’s LOL thread a while ago, bet he’s trying…

  • 53_3

    How old is freeinpa, anyway?

  • fhmadvocat

    freeinpa

    Yes, for the past 40 years, Liberals have been attacking those wonderful American institutions like segregation, Jim Crow, discrimination against women, discrimination against gays, the “good ole’ boys club” and the like. Yes, as a Liberal I am pround that Liberals have attacked such institutions. As a Conservative are you pround defending them?

  • 53_3

    nonyabizz:
    .
    You should look at livefreeordie1776′s comments at 29!
    .
    He kinda blows it for the whole right…

  • fhmadvocat

    “They can never win on the basis of fact so vilify, name call and degrade. I am sure the race card will be flying shortly.

    It’s a tired old playbook but for a lot that is mentally exhausted and morally bankrupt it is the best they can do”

    LOL “Mr Pot . . . . . meet Mr. Kettle . . . . . . ” Vilify? Name calling? Conservative have turned that into an art form. It has worked so well for them that most Liberals don’t even call themselves, “Liberals”, they call themselves “Progressives”.

    Wasn’t it Newt Gingrich who told Republican candidates to label their opponents as “Strange”? Didn’t know Newt was such a liberal.

    I love how Conservatives point to Liberals about “playing the race card”. How do you think Republicans came to dominated the South?

    You are old enough to remember Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. Southerners did not go in less than one generation from overwhelming Democratic to overwhelming Republican because they suddenly embraced tax cuts. Republicans started playing the race card, starting in the late 60′s right up to the 90′s. Why did Ronald Reagan, a former governor of California announce his 1980 candidancy from Philadelphia, Mississippi, known for being part the strongest Klan Kountry in America? Who do you think were the “Welfare Queens” and the “Special Interests”, he was referring to? Remember the elder Bush and Willie Horton? No one has played the race card so well as Republicans did in the last third of the 20th century.

  • cfukara

    ” .. It’s how a representative democracy works. ..”

    We surmise that according to you, we have evidence of “representative democracy” at play in this HCR bill saga.

    Yet we suspect that in this case, a majority (51%) in the senate would probably have given the voters a bill that is different – cheaper, more effective, more efficient, kinder (with universal coverage) and indeed more, eh, christian – from what we have in the senate now.

    Is it possible to find the majority denied in a “representative democracy”? Does the will of the majority cease to be relevant in governance/legislation soon after the votes are tallied?

    [Caution: (Our vaunted ruling class see to it that) Suggesting that our USA doesn't have a "participative democracy" or "representative democracy" or a "government by the people" is bordeline sedition.]

  • freeinpa

    Diecash< kevin and 53

    The Moe, Larry & Curley of liberal thought.

  • 53_3

    You’re doing wonderfully, freeinpa. I enjoy the fact that you are answering all the questions I’ve had!

  • 53_3

    But a wafer thin planet loses heat rapidly!
    .
    That means that we’re safe from Global Warming, too!

  • freeinpa

    fhmadvocat

    On the contrary, liberals have been fighting for special rights not equal rights.

    Racism applies only to whites, Hate crimes apply only to whites and heterosexuals.

    They forced the mentally unstable people to be released from medical institutions then whined about homeless.

    They condemned the education system to teach political correctness and now we have over-esteemed undereducated student in the world after throwing billions and billions into “education”

    They have denigrated and mocked the military for years. They attend the funerals of dead soldiers screaming baby killers.

    As always liberals want equal outcome not equal opportunity.

    This country can’t afford any more “liberal victories”

  • freeinpa

    http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/30/an-early-acorn-whistleblower-karen-inman/

    http://www.the912project.com/2009/09/15/state-of-acorn-investigations/

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php

    http://www.wopular.com/holder-stonewalling-congress-over-black-panther-investigation

    All the wrong doings according to you are only worked up by FOX. That is because the media has given them all a pass while dimbulbs like you make sorry ass excuses for the illegal activity. The trut becomes an inconvenience. But then liberals are rarely bothered by the truth.

  • freeinpa

    Well maybe the new health care bill will have distemper shots for the left

  • freeinpa

    53 you don’t ask questions you make statements about things you opine and then deliver as fact. There is no need to answer, you are convinced that you and only you has all the answers and everyone else is evil, stupid or racist.

    The major cause of global warming is you!

  • freeinpa

    ttp://biggovernment.com/2009/09/30/an-early-acorn-whistleblower-karen-inman/

    http://www.the912project.com/2009/09/15/state-of-acorn-investigations/

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php

    http://www.wopular.com/holder-stonewalling-congress-over-black-panther-investigation

    All the wrong doings according to you are only worked up by FOX. That is because the media has given them all a pass while dimbulbs like you make sorry ass excuses for the illegal activity. The trut becomes an inconvenience. But then liberals are rarely bothered by the truth.

  • rmrd

    Has anyone i your family ever been denied a test or procedure under the current health care system? How often have you had to use your health care?

  • apr2563

    Freeinpa: Do you have any idea of how many liberals and gays lost their lives defending out country? Can you name conservatives who avoided service? I can:
    Dick Cheney had other priorities, 5 deferments
    Bill Kristol had college deferment
    Jonah Goldberg could not volunteer, has family
    Rush Limbaugh had a carbuncle on his butt
    George Bush used influence to get in Air Nat Guard
    little chance of being sent overseas
    Glenn Beck
    Sean Hannity
    Most young Republicans, they can do more at home
    they say
    These and many other “patriotic” conservatives have sent others to die in their stead.

  • http://aroundthesphere.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/the-worlds-greatest-deliberative-body-strikes-again/ The World’s Greatest Deliberative Body Strikes Again! « Around The Sphere

    [...] Joe Klein at Swampland at Time: As Karen notes below, Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma–who, with James Inhofe, constitute the most extreme Senate delegation from any state–prayed for the incapacitation or death of a Democratic Senator so that health care would be blocked. But that wasn’t all. He also offered this: [...]

  • freeinpa

    film….
    It has worked so well for them that most Liberals don’t even call themselves, “Liberals”, they call themselves “Progressives”.

    Why is that exactly? Ashamed?? Nah Liberals can’t tell the truth about anything. They even lie to themselves. Just like there ideas, they never come out to say what it is they try to hide it and ram it through — not unlike HC and Crap & Tax. Once people know the BS its the end for the liberal nonsense.

    “Why did Ronald Reagan, a former governor of California announce his 1980 candidancy from Philadelphia, Mississippi”

    And my mother always told me I could not have ass in 2 places at the same time. And if I recall Reagan won 44 states and 49 states in 2 elections including the liberal north. So were the liberals just stupid?

  • freeinpa

    apr2563

    “Do you have any idea of how many liberals and gays lost their lives defending out country?”

    No do you? Do you know how many conservatives have died?

    Do you how many liberals got out of the draft? How many went to Canada?

    Your one-sided diversion is amusing but proves nothing. Check out the protests from the Vietnam war and the Iraq war. Far more liberals there than died.

  • freeinpa

    53
    “Qute a bit, freeinpa. Quite a bit. Nice dbl post.
    .
    So far, you’ve failed to address every point.
    .
    Please try again..”

    The sum and substance of you.

    Your first line: Self congradulatory sanctimonious nothing. Like Obama a grandiose self grader.

    You as judge and jury over all. I provided links that you requested, you ignored and now you throw up your hands and declare victory.

    I guess it beats dealing with reality but then “your facts” wouldn’t fit well there nor would your standing as the world’s black community expert.

  • apollyon07

    53_3, why the hate for Texas? Economically we are CRUSHING other big states in the nation, especially California (which economically is a perpetual disaster). To me Texas and California are great examples of two different economic philosophies…and of course the results.
    .
    Texas was the last state to enter the recession, and is expected to probably be the first to exit it.

  • thadkpeasley

    “Borderline sedition??” For saying “There’s a lot of people out there today who…will say, ‘I give up on my government,’ and rightly so.” HA! Too funny.

    No doubt the world in which you live you would like for it to be the case. But as it stands now, as American citizens, people have every right to believe the gov’t is spinning out of control. Liberals/Progressives have no one but themselves to blame for citizens who have correctly formed this outlook, so they shouldn’t be surprised when it is expressed. The US Constitution is centered on freedom. Modern day liberalism isn’t; they want state control and a new and improved USSR. Of course they’ll claim otherwise, but their actions speak differently.

    So I can see why many would say they give up on the gov’t and act accordingly, which is their right. If that means the USA under the rule of liberals needs to be cast into the dust bin of history in order to retrench the country into what the founding fathers intended, then so be it. It’s not sedition to desire to wrestle the country away from liberal fascist are intent on destroying it in the same manner that the German people should have done what was necessary in the 1930′s to wrestle their country back from Hitler and the liberal fascist of their day; it’s patriotism in it’s highest form.

  • apollyon07

    re: Exiled and Grollican exchange on Catholics:
    Attacking someone because of their religion…isn’t there some sort of term for that?

  • apollyon07

    I’m really wondering how “giving up on your government” is the same as sedition. That is QUITE a stretch there.

  • diecash1

    Straight to the insults, eh? I guess you’re just “mentally exhausted and morally bankrupt” from all this trolling.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Apollyon~
    Grollican is well aware of its impassioned bigotry. Proud actually, it would appear from my many conversations with it on the subject.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Indeed. More than a stretch actually. It’s authoritarianism run amok. Joe’s favorite.

  • apollyon07

    and furthermore, him insulting you because of indiscretions within your church would be like someone insulting a Muslim because of Muslim terrorists. I wonder what the reaction would be among commenters here if that happened?

  • apollyon07

    I prefer to call it statism.

  • jcapan

    “Furthermore, I am sick and tired of you throwing around the word ‘sedition’ you authoritarian fanatic.”
    .
    Score!
    .
    Coupled with his waving the bloody flag in Dirks’ nose last week (how dare you disrespect the troops!), or his threats of censorship, Joe is obviously threatened by the rabble. He’s getting his inner jackboot on by the day it seems. He’s the vilest of courtiers, his dainty finger in the air waiting on the winds.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Jcap!

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
    .
    I don’t think that ACORN will go anywhere, as have most GOP Spittle and Froth issues.
    .
    That is an opinion. No problem there.
    .
    On the other hand, so far, you have been completely unable to refute the following:
    .
    That Rush Limbaugh is causing a problem for GOP in that his frequent talk and outbursts help promote the GOP as a party against minorities in general and Black Americans in particular.
    .
    The same for Bill O’Rielly. Not one word of refutation there either.
    .
    Not one word of refutation of the fact that Southern Strategy has, and continues to be a strategy that the GOP uses.
    .
    And, lastly, you are nat able to describe any of the following:
    1. The “problems” you keep referring to in the Black community
    2. Why my 40 years of knowledge is not sufficient when it comes to workings and issues relating to the Black community
    3. Why you do know about the Black community. You failed to point out those things that “I fail to understand”.
    .
    So pretty much, I would say I’ve done my job rather well.

  • jcapan

    How’s the gig? And the Greene studies? I just recently reread A Sort of Life and the incredibly entertaining The Human Factor. At the moment, I’m reading Stegner’s Mormon Country about my beloved Utah.

  • 53_3

    I look at it like this, freeinpa, it’s really very, very simple:
    .
    If I were to go to Italy, and want to know how to behave, what are the issues and norms, and what is important to Italians, who would I ask for advice?
    .
    A. Someone who doesn’t like Italians
    B. Someone who has lived in Italy
    .
    Now, I am fairly sure that everyone else can answer this simple, easy to understand question and draw the line from that question to the debate here as a whole…

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
    .
    See 13.11 and 8.11
    .
    I really think you would be better served by answering those questions…

  • 53_3

    That was 1980, this is 2009, freeinpa.
    .
    The rest of our nation has grown up…

  • 53_3

    I was joking appoloyon07. I just remember last year the guv there was threatening to secede, and to make a funny, I conflated that onto this comment.
    .
    No offense intended to you or anyone else in Texas. You are welcome to denigrate my state (Washington) if you want. I won’t take offense. Besides, we have an air force and a nuclear navy.
    .
    But still, it would be a way to get rid of those ugly panhandles…

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    The gig is financially destitute; upstart media is a risky endeavor. We’re desperately struggling for funding, and/or revenue. We were non-profit, but we lost that on account of our coverage of government policies, so we transitioned to a social-enterprise model with subscription-generated revenue. Business is slow, but we’re staying afloat.
    ~
    I’m currently on Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

  • 53_3

    Wow. I think I will just tiptoe around this mess in the daintiest fashion that a fat bald white guy can possibly muster…

  • pintortwo

    Late to the party… missed all the fun.
    I don’t think Coburn was praying for the death or incapacitation of Sen Byrd. But I do have problems with this statement:
    .
    “What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can’t make the vote tonight,”
    .
    1- This suggests that “God is on our side”. Not only is it divisive, but the Senate floor is not a place for religion- pray alone with your god. To me he’s grandstanding for no other reason than to appeal to the ugly “US vs Them” side of politics.
    .
    2- Coburn is publicly stating that he hopes many Americans have no representation in this vote- specifically because they disagree with him. Shorter Coburn: “When you disagree with me, I’ll ask my god that you be shunned.”
    .
    And this
    .
    “The crisis of confidence in this country is now at an apex that has not seen in over 150 years, and that lack of confidence undermines the ability of legitimate governance,” he said. “There’s a lot of people out there today who…will say, ‘I give up on my government,’ and rightly so.”
    .
    is irresponsible. He was elected to be a part of the government, he shares responsibility for any crisis of confidence. Further, the phrase “rightly so” tells me that he values Democrats Fail over America Succeeds.

  • apollyon07

    Alright then, I guess sometimes it’s hard to discern tone from text, especially on the Internet. I’ve just been proud about how Texas has done a remarkable job of weathering the storm with the current recession. I am not proud of our idiot governor, however, and look forward to him getting beat by KBH and then watching her cruise through the general election.
    .
    As a Washington resident, how did you feel about the governor election controversy a couple of times ago? I remember it being a pretty big deal but don’t remember too much about it.
    .
    And as a UT student, I’d be fine with getting rid of the panhandle, given that that’s where Tech is located :)

  • apollyon07

    53_3, I replied to 20.6 but accidentally posted it at the end of the thread.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Don’t be shy, fifty…

  • 53_3

    Well, Exiled, you must be more nimble than I am. Maybe I should just try some lighthearted skipping, instead…

  • 53_3

    Dino Rossi did what every other GOP candidate who lost by close margins did, which was to drag it into overtime as long as he could. Yes, it now has become a dem tactic, too.
    .
    He didn’t have any economic solutions that were really all that good for Washington State, but then again, I’m fairly close to center but left of it, so we might not agree on just what is or isn’t a “solution”.
    .
    That said, one of the byproducts of that type of debate is closer scrutiny of our election processes.
    .
    Well, Texas Tech will still be there, but, as a nation, you’ll have to rename the territory. Maybe something like Texahoma, or Oklahexas or something like that.
    .
    Either way, the Dawgs are reawakening here. Maybe in a couple years, they’ll be able to bring down a steer or two…

  • 53_3

    One thing I’ve been interested in hearing about is whether, when Coburn made his statement, whether or not Byrd was the only dem senator left to appear or not.
    .
    If he was, then Coburn is justly villified, as I’ve heard this kind of dogwhistle stuff before from GOPers.
    .
    Otherwise, he has an out.

  • some1whocares

    Coburn should read Matthew 6:5 –15.

    He is using King David’s prayers to strike down his enemy–and look where that got David. That’s why we needed Jesus’ prayers to make ‘OURself a better and stronger person” and not walk the destructive path of David.

    He says he’s a minister, but a minster of what? Hate?

    Looks likes he USES the bible…. He doesn’t really READ the bible.

  • stewartiii

    NewsBusters: Time’s Klein Sees ‘Sedition’ in Coburn Comments
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/12/21/times-klein-sees-sedition-coburn-comments

  • http://freeinamerica.wordpress.com freeinamerica

    Freeinpa, Please try and understand that there is a huge world out there that is in utter and complete amazement at your right wing politics. I think we are beginning to understand the fear and paranoia which tortures your very soul. Is it not ok for every American to have some form of health care and not just the rich and privaledged? just as in at least the thirty other countries of the civilized world. Are all these countries wrong to help their tax paying citizens to have a healthy life and not fall into the quagmire of bankruptcy, forced to live with their children when insurance companies drop them and compromise there life in order to gain some form of health insurance. This will not destroy you sir it will save you from embarrasment and destitution when your insurance company drops you when you are infirmed in your old age.

  • http://freeinamerica.wordpress.com freeinamerica

    “putting you and your family’s life in jeopardy” you have it the wromg way around sir. By having a universal health care plan (like every other civilized nation) you will not become one of the 2.5 million americans to go into bankruptcy every 12 months because of health care costs. They are the ones that have been destroyed, and it is their lives and those of their families that have been put in jeopardy.

  • http://freeinamerica.wordpress.com freeinamerica

    Totally correct the government owes it’s alleigance to the people. Not my friend to huge corporate America, not my friend to huge insurance companies, but to the American people. Long live the people of America!!

  • apollyon07

    If by Dawgs you mean UWash, I would add thank you for beating USC this year. Because, I hate USC.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    FreeinAmerica~
    If you were implying that I am somehow a corporate lackey, you’re way off the market. Separation of Corporation and State, that’s my ideal society.

  • http://freeinamerica.wordpress.com freeinamerica

    Separation of corporate and state, yes, i hope you mean the government for the people, their best interests at heart, taxes to help americans not american corporations.

  • http://www.peterhsu.org Peter

    Tumulty, true journalist that she is, actually quotes Cuburn: “What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can’t make the vote tonight.” That’s it — that’s all he said. Klein’s assertion that Coburn prayed for the “incapacitation or death of a Democratic Senator” is just something that he made up.

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  • freeinpa

    53
    “See 13.11 and 8.11
    .
    I really think you would be better served by answering those questions…”

    No questions, just the gospel according to IQ53. You serve up your opinion as refutation of everything. Then say you didn’t respond.

    You say nothing You do nothing. You can post til you get a brain. I won’t respond to any other childish prattle.

    Pleae take your self appointed superiorty and go back to the black community and tellthem how much you have done for them and how much better off they are for having you.

    I am sure it will bring them great comfort

  • freeinpa

    53
    “Why my 40 years of knowledge is not sufficient when it comes to workings and issues relating to the Black community
    3. Why you do know about the Black community. You failed to point out those things that “I fail to understand”.
    .
    So pretty much, I would say I’ve done my job rather well”

    More self congradulations. I bet your entire house is mirrors. You just love yourself

  • freeinpa

    53
    “A. Someone who doesn’t like Italians
    B. Someone who has lived in Italy”

    Now who would you ask how conservatives view anything.

    A conservative or

    A brain dead knucklehead who believes his opinion is fact and is thoroughly impressed with his knowledge of those opnions?

    I believe everybody can answer that simple question who has ever read from your sanctimoneous pratlle.

  • freeinpa

    53

    “A. Someone who doesn’t like Italians
    B. Someone who has lived in Italy”

    Hmm who would you ask how a consevative views anything?

    A) a conservative
    B) a sanctimoneous left wing nut job who beeives everything he babbles about is fact and is so impressed with his knowledge of his opinion.?

    I think everyone can see the answer to this. You know less about conservatives than pretty much anything else. Only your arrogance keeps telling you that your knuckleheaded thoughts are the facts of life.

  • freeinpa

    By huge world do mean the rest of the faux intellectual liberals here? I worry as much about that as I worry about Al Gore being anorexic.

    “Are all these countries wrong to help their tax paying citizens to have a healthy life and not fall into the quagmire of bankruptcy,”

    First check the tax tables to see who is paying fo rmost of everything already. Just like a liberal to be oh so generous with somebody else’s money.

    “order to gain some form of health insurance.”

    Insurance implies a risk pool with people paying premiums based on risk. What we are getting is a tax and entitlement program

    Before you preach please make at least soem attempt tounderstand what you are preaching. It will save you the embarrassment. However as I am becomin gaware here there is no embarassment or shame with liberals.

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  • http://freeinamerica.wordpress.com freeinamerica

    When I say huge I mean the great majority of all those 30 odd countries that believe in a universal health care plan, they are not stupid they make their government work for them not for the greedy corporate world who just want to inflate their profits at the expense of the countries tax payer..They are not being generous with other peoples money they are being generous with their own money by duely voting in a government, election after election that will enhance their lifstyle and look after their best interests, whether that government is right or left wing it does not matter, socialized medicine has been available in Europe for decades. That is almost 400 million people that live in a world without fear of bankruptcy through medical costs. Over 2 million Americans every year are financially destroyed, when you taked into account their total family members we have over 7 million Americans destitute every year because of a lack of a fair medical plan. Why do you want this for so many citizens of your country.

  • gingerpye

    freeinpa, I am so sick of reading your nasty, mean, hateful comments. If you don’t like the tenor of this blog why don’t you just go away? What kind of upbringing leads to such a warped view of helping people? What, you might have to pay a few more dollars in taxes every year? God forbid you should ever need any help from your fellow citizens.

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  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Exie, you really ought to think before you post. Slander is spoken, not written. The term for which you are groping is “libelous fool”. Honestly, don’t they educate the right-wing at all these days?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Basil-
    Indeed, you are correct. However, it was hardly a mistake warranting such esteemed commentary as yours. I’m flattered. If you’ve anything else of substance to contribute feel free, otherwise I respectfully suggest you return to the viscous puddle of frivolity from whence you came. Cheers! And Merry Christmas, Basil.

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  • banglin

    Being from Oklahoma and quite familiar with Coburn’s right-wing extremism, I would have hoped for a more rational discussion on this topic. This forum does not appear to be a discussion at all. It’s just more of the same hate and belligerence that pervade the blogasphere. As such, it’s a complete waste of time.

  • http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/19/joe-klein-the-howling-beast-on Joe Klein: The Howling Beast on the Borderline Separating Speech From Sedition, Since at Least 2009 – Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

    [...] Since sedition is a legal term, I don't know how Klein concludes that "seditious speech" is "not illegal," but the important thing here is that there's a lot of the stuff out there. Here's Smokey Joe last December: [...]

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    [...] stand opposing views. Not only did he call Beck and Palin seditious this year, but in 2009 he leveled that charge at Senator Tom Coburn and also in 2009 he decided that Fox News was “border-line seditious.” Apparently all you have [...]

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