Ben Nelson Is Lobbied By Someone Who Has Been There

If the changes in the health care bill are indeed enough to bring Joe Lieberman aboard, it looks as though we are back to the point where all eyes are on Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson as potentially the 60th vote to bring the bill over the finish line in the Senate. As you might imagine, Nelson is getting pressure from all sides. One of those calls, I have learned, came from someone who has the unique perspective of having been in this spot himself. And it perhaps adds a little perspective to the messy moment we are at in health care reform.

The call came from Bob Kerrey, now the president of the New School in New York City, but like Nelson, a native Nebraskan and former Governor of that state. Indeed, Nelson was elected to the Senate to fill the seat that Kerrey vacated with his retirement in 2000.

Back in 1993, Kerrey was the final vote that Bill Clinton needed to pass his economic plan. The relationship between the two still carried the strain of their campaign against each other in the Democratic primary the year before. In one of the oddest moments of the cliffhanger in 1993, Kerrey simply went missing. He strolled out of the Senate Chamber to go see a movie. (Trivia buffs will know that it was “What’s Love Got to Do With It?,” the Tina Turner biopic that was playing at nearby Union Station.)

In his conversation with Nelson, Kerrey recalled what finally won his vote. It was an appeal from then-Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who assured Kerrey that he would never regret it. Kerrey told Nelson he hasn’t, and that he feels the same is true now for the man who took his place in the Senate. (It’s worth noting here that health care had been a major issue of Kerrey’s own campaign for President.)

In an e-mail to me this morning, Kerrey confirmed the conversation with Nelson, but added: “I also told him I’d support him no matter what he decides to do.”

The 1993 drama is instructive of why things look so chaotic and uncertain for health care reform. Indeed, what we’ve seen so far is tame by comparison:

Here’s how the former President recalled it in his memoir:

… the outcome was still in doubt, because Bob Kerrey remained uncommitted. On Friday, he met with me for ninety minutes, then, about an hour and a half before the vote, he spoke on the Senate floor, saying directly to me, “I could not and should not cast a vote that brings down your presidency.” While he wold vote yes, he said I would have to do more to control entitlement spending. i agreed to work with him on this.

But George Stephanopoulos has a saltier version in his book:

The morning, the president called him from the Oval. I didn’t hear what Kerrey said, and I didn’t need to. Clinton’s increasingly heated responses told the whole story:
“If you want to bring this presidency down, then go ahead!…
“Maybe I ought to just pick it up and go back to Little Rock…
“My presidency’s going to go down…
“[Expletive deleted to keep Swampland PG-rated] you!
“Fine. OK! If that’s what you want, you go do it.”

Stephanopoulos also puts a different spin on that Senate floor speech:

Kerrey went to the floor and delivered a broadside against Clinton, calling him “green and inexperienced,” and followed up with a few self-righteous shots about how “my heart aches with the conclusion that I will vote yes for a bill which challenges Americans too little.”

Will there be a moment like that for Obama? Perhaps. But if there is, will we have to wait for the books to come out to hear about it?

Related Topics: Ben Nelson, Bill Clinton, bob kerrey, George Mitchell, george stephanopoulos, Barack Obama, Congress, Economy, Senate
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  • slowp

    Wasn’t this NAFTA or am I misremembering?

  • queencersei

    Maybe Kerrey could also share his insights on what it was like to be used as a road bump by Dick Cheney.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, KT. You made my day with this (I was getting bummed out over Lieberman). But oh please, oh please, oh please put back the F word in George’s quote. We need the complete quote. However, your post reminds me of Amy’s 12/8 missive and her description of Kerrey –
    .
    What is it about those Nebraska governors-turned-senators? Did they not get enough attention as children? Do they chafe at being told they hail from a “flyover” state? Does that unicameral legislature leave too few adoring supporters? Bob Kerrey was infamous for waiting until the verrrrrry last moment to make up his mind on important pieces of legislation, waiting until he’d been courted and wheedled and begged. And now it appears Ben Nelson is looking to make himself similarly indispensable to the Democratic effort to pass health reform legislation.
    .
    Did you and Amy swap notes about Kerrey here? Are there other Nelson / Kerrey tales from your war stories file you can safely share with us (esp. if pottymouthed)? Do you think Nelson will hold out as long as possible too? re: big stories, is yours done yet? Speaking of Amy, will she post here this week or is she on holiday? (found out from tweets that Jay’s on vacation, please send her my holiday wishes)

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  • spob

    KT, is it true that Dems have threatened Nelson with base closure? If so, isn’t that putting politics above national security–supposedly a no-no.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Yeah and let’s not forget the key part of this story is that Kerrey like Nelson and Lieberman wasn’t standing on some high noble principal. These Senators look at Obama with such jealousy — and ask themselves why is he president when it was my life’s ambition? Truthfully, as much as the press likes to label Obama as self-absorbed and arrogant. He is the one that is truly selfless here. He could have done anything with his life and he chose to make a difference to this nation. Where as Kerrey was too busy nursing thoughts of revenge for his loss to Clinton in the 92 primary campaign and almost brought down a presidency out of selfishness. Lieberman is driven by the same selfishness, even though it was Obama who stumped for him when the Democrats rejected him and Obama who was instrumental in the Democrats forgiving him for his transgressions in 2008. I guess, thee is something to be said for the American people’s ability to judge character. they knew these both these guys wee too small for the job and made sure they didn’t get it. I don’t know what drives Nelson, but I’m pretty sure that an over-inflated ego is somewhere in the mix.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Not at all sorry spob, if its true and coming from you means that its a really big if, closing a base in Nebraska only means that a base slated to close in some other state will remain open. The number of bases that will be closed has already been determined during the Bush administration. How Don’t you remember the big brouhaha over the base closings and the commission suggestions or was Fox not reporting news even way back then?

  • Ivy_B

    Those who are interested in the truth of the floor speech story as told in the two different versions cited above can go to their nearest library with a complete government document depository and look in the Congressional Record for 1993.

    Assuming their library is open given all the state and federal budget cuts.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    the economic plan.

  • nflfoghorn

    The real reason why Snuffalupagus is now @ GMA comes out.

  • nflfoghorn

    Maybe Kerrey got banged upside the head by the prez, a la Ike on Tina.

  • nflfoghorn

    Maybe Kerrey got banged upside the head by the prez, a la Ike on Tina. That’s prolly why he could relate.

  • nflfoghorn

    ‘scuze the double post.

  • square1

    Who cares? The bill is terrible. Obama, Nelson and Lieberman can go Cheney themselves.

    That giant sucking sound you hear is the entire progressive wing of the blogosphere fleeing the sinking ship of Heath Care Reform.

  • shepherdwong

    Maybe he’s trying to make up for his vote for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall, and saying, “The concerns that we will have a meltdown like 1929 are dramatically overblown.”
    .
    Or perhaps for leading the Democratic neoconservative lobby and the campaign to invade and occupy Iraq.
    .
    Or maybe it’s still the murdering of innocent old men, women and children noncombatants in Vietnam.
    .
    Ghosts of Christmas past and all.

  • rustyreturns

    Think you are missing a great story, Karen. Not that Nelson is potentially a ‘no’ vote. But, I watched Sen Dorgan on c-span, and he was really pi$$ed that his amendment is not being voted on.
    .
    Perhaps he is a vote that will not be “yes” if his amendment is not passed?

  • constantweader

    As much as Kerrey detested Clinton, & with good reason, back in the day there was still some party loyalty. Now that Franken’s “Me” generation has taken over the reins of power, just about everybody but Franken himself is a little Napoleon. I do recall Kerrey’s last-minute vote on the budget that saved America — in the short run, anyway — & I thought it was a profile in courage, not a cop-out.

    Thanks for sharing that bit about “What’s Love Got to Do with It?” I didn’t know about that, & it’s a terrific touch.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • nonplussed2

    The only military base in Nebraska that this Husker knows of is Offutt AFB — home of STRATCOM. Don’t think that’s going anywhere.

  • nonplussed2

    Why? The bill’s nowhere near perfect, but it does important things such as kill the ability to refuse coverage for pre-existing conditions. It doesn’t include a public option — that’s unfortunate and an example of the total ineffectiveness of Democrats to use their power cohesively to better the country. But it’s not a reason to kill this bill. As a progressive I get pretty sick of hearing from the left the absolutism so inherent on the other side.

  • cfukara

    ” .. as potentially the 60th vote to bring the bill over the finish line in the Senate. ..”

    What?

    Oh! THAT shell of a bill?
    Strange that people – other than the insurance and pharma companies – are still talking about it.

    I have already counted my losses and moved on …

  • square1

    You’re entitled to your opinion. Mine is that a bill with no cost containment is bad in the short term and unsustainable in the long term.

    Yes, there are provisions in the bill that are good. But your attitude that no price is too high to pay to e.g. protect those with pre-existing conditions is one that I do not share.

    An individual mandate to purchase insurance without cost-protections is unacceptable.

    Kill the bill.

  • smrn

    Today I called Ben Nelson’s office in Washington. I shared a story and concern. How will poeple who have a significant pre-existing diagnosis receive care if reform does not pass. I have not been able to find anyone to answer that question. I was told that my concerns were written down and would be shared. When I asked for a read back, I was told “this conversation has already gone on too long.” Too long? It is not clear to me that my concern was heard or understood. What is going on…really?
    (of possible interest to readers…http://www.harp.org/humbach.htm )

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    60th vote … So Snowe is officially out? What was the purpose of all her foot-dragging again?

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