Amidst the Lieberman Drama, Some Wrangling Over Drug Prices

Tonight the Senate began voting on amendments to the health care bill for the first time in days. Near the top of the agenda: an amendment from Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan that would have allowed U.S. pharmacies and drug wholesalers to “reimport” drugs from foreign countries. It was was voted down 51-48. (Amendments need 60 votes to pass, according to an agreement between the majority leader and minority leader.) It might seem like a simple win for the drug industry and a defeat for the American consumer already buckling under the cost of high-priced pharmaceuticals. But, like so much related to health care reform, glossing over the particulars ignores some of the real policy and political issues at stake.

The idea of buying name-brand drugs from foreign pharmacies is popular. Already, an untold number of Americans stream across the border into Canada and Mexico to get their prescriptions filled at deep discounts. And online, it’s almost impossible to avoid spam and banner advertisements encouraging the purchase of pharmaceuticals over the Internet. (This is against the law.)

Dorgan has long wanted to make buying drugs from foreign outlets legal and more widespread. It would save consumers $100 billion over the next decade, he says, and save the federal government about $20 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. On the basis of these savings, Dorgan put together a bipartisan group of 20 co-sponsors for an amendment he introduced to the Senate health reform bill that would have made it legal for pharmacies and drug wholesalers in the U.S. to “re-import” pharmaceuticals. Simple, right? Nope.

While proponents of drug reimportation say pharmaceutical companies are simply gouging U.S. customers and could stop anytime, there’s a reason drugs cost so much more here than in other countries: Countries such as Canada have government-mandated price controls. U.S. drug makers agree to sell their products to foreign countries at lower prices for a few reasons. Sometimes the market is small enough not to have a huge affect on profits. Sometimes foreign countries make deals related to patents and generics that protect pharmaceutical companies’ interests. Sometimes customers in foreign countries – especially in the developing world – simply would not purchase drugs at U.S. prices, so refusing to offer discounts is self-defeating. And yes, drug makers have high enough profit margins in their largest market – the U.S. – that they can afford to charge others less. This is Dorgan’s point.

But many experts on the reimportation issue – which has percolated in U.S. politics for many years – say legalized reimportation would not have the desire effect or would, but only temporarily. They says drug makers would respond by raising prices in other countries or shrinking shipments to those nations.

Here’s an analysis from a 2004 New York Times article on the subject of reimportation:

“…It may make political sense to point to Canada as a solution to high prescription drug prices in the United States. But many economists and health care experts say that importing drugs from countries that control their prices would do little to solve the problem of expensive drugs in the United States, where companies are free to set their own prices…

…To begin with, there are not enough Canadians, or drugs in Canada, to make much of a dent in the United States. There are 16 million American patients on Lipitor, for instance — more than half the entire Canadian population.

Drug makers like Pfizer say they would reduce their shipments of drugs to distributors in Canada and other countries that re-export to the United States. ”We are not going to supply drugs to diverters, in Canada or elsewhere,” said Hank McKinnell, chairman and chief executive of Pfizer.

And Canadian health officials, fearing shortages and higher prices of their own, would probably clamp down on their own pharmacists and distributors to keep their drugs from leaking into the United States. Canadian patient-advocacy groups have already complained about shortages from the exports to the United States that already occur, even though they violate American law.”

On the Senate floor, opponents of the Dorgan amendment from both sides of the aisle said it could jeopardize the safety of patients – a case helped by the fact that the Food and Drug Administration has raised similar concerns. But the politics here may be far more instructive.

Democratic Senators Max Baucus, Chris Dodd and Majority Leader Harry Reid recognized that momentum was building behind the Dorgan amendment – which would have blown up the deal already struck between the White House and pharmaceutical industry – so it appears they needed a way to appease those hankering for further relief from high drug prices. One group that is most likely to stop taking necessary medications because of cost are seniors caught in the doughnut hole, a gap in Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage. (Enrollees have drug coverage until their costs exceed $2,700. At that point, they have no coverage until they spend $6,154 out of pocket.) So Baucus, Dodd and Reid pledged – days after the Drogan amendment hit the floor – that Democratic health reform legislation would close the doughnut hole, something the Senate bill does not currently do. The three haven’t offered any specifics yet on how they would make good on their promise, but it would likely happen in conference – when a Senate bill would be merged with the House bill, the latter of which does gradually closes the gap.

The moral of the story here is that things are moving quickly on the health care bill and the moving pieces are everywhere – from the Senate floor to the drug company boardroom to the border.

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  • gysgt213

    No. The “moral’ to this story is that Americans will continue to pay higher prices for drugs. This is the way God’s will.

  • constantweader

    Hmm, 51 votes when they weren’t even trying. Sounds like a candidate for reconciliation to me.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • gysgt213

    But there is an agreement between the majority leader and minority leader. This can not be broken until of course the republicans are in charge and it will suddenly seem quaint to the republicans and the media.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Why is Reid cutting 60 vote deals w/a guy who only has 40 seats? It’s going to be real easy to sit on my ass and do nothing for Democrats this year. I hope I have company.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Kate. Has Medicare won back the right to negotiate drug prices? Does the VA have the power to haggle? (A public option / plan would too, but I digress.) re: re-imporation, foreign pharmas like Novartis and Teva make / sell drugs here, but do they also import their own pills from oversees factories or home bases? Teva is a big player in generic drugs, esp. after buying Barr. But do you have more info. / thoughts here, Kate, esp. on Medicare / other Fed pricing powers? thanks

  • rustyreturns

    Now we can attack, yes attack those who voted against real health care reform.
    .
    Thank you progressives!

  • Matt

    The death of nthe public option, the Medicare buy-in and votes like the one on imported drugs show that the White House is more interested in a political score by getting reform done quickly rather than quality legislation. Nothing wrong with that, because that is probably the only way to get this done without a years-long fight. ‘

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • Art Pepper

    I still don’t understand this concept of a “deal” bwtween the executive branch and private industry — are the pharmaceutical companies a foreign power?

    Why wouldn’t they just renege on the deal when it became prudent/profitable to do so? In fact, wouldn’t that be their obligation to share holders?

    Why are exta-legislative mechanisms part of health-care reform in the first place? This is why we have a legislative branch.

  • hambone1

    Cookie, by agreeing that all amendments need 60 votes, it becomes harder to alter Reid’s bill. So its more difficult for Dorgan to add his provision, but its also harder for the GOP to attach spoiler provisions. This very much plays to Reid’s advantage because it is very difficult to attach amendments that would themselves be popular but upset the balance of concessions that allow the bill as a whole to pass. I am actually more surprised Mitch agreed to it.

  • carotexas1

    There is a lot more to this story I found out.
    John Walker at FDL has a good post on this amendment.

    http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/the-insanity-which-is-the-double-double-cross-on-drug-re-importation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CampaignSilo+%28Jane+Hamsher+Campaign+Silo%29&utm_content=Twitter

    I found this interesting

    To prevent this scenario, the Democrats in the Senate have spent the last few days effectively filibustering their own health care reform bill and amendments. The pro-PhRMA Democrats have put a hold on Dorgan’s amendment, and Dorgan in turn has put a hold on everything else. As a result, the Senate health care debate on the floor has been frozen for almost a week

    I found the whole blog interesting.

  • abdullah69

    Any new drug creates a monopoly for its producers in respect of that particular product. Of course the American consumer gets gouged. No one else is prepared to put up with it. They set price controls instead.

    Maybe the US should tax the drug companies based on the differential between local and international prices for any particular product.

    Or maybe the US should just line the drug company CEO’s against the wall and just shoot them.

  • stuartzechman

    Kate Pickert:
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    While proponents of drug reimportation say pharmaceutical companies are simply gouging U.S. customers and could stop anytime, there’s a reason drugs cost so much more here than in other countries: Countries such as Canada have government-mandated price controls.

    Oh, I see! Pharmaceutical companies are simply gouging US customers and could stop anytime! Other countries have price controls on drugs, which is why they’re cheap over there.

    But many experts on the reimportation issue – which has percolated in U.S. politics for many years – say legalized reimportation would not have the desire effect or would, but only temporarily. They says drug makers would respond by raising prices in other countries or shrinking shipments to those nations.

    Oh, I see! Pharmaceutical companies are not simply gouging US customers and could stop anytime! Other countries have price controls, but drug makers would somehow raise prices there anyway, or stop selling drugs in gigantic, country-size markets…at least that’s what the New York Times quotes the expert Hank McKinnell, chairman and chief executive of Pfizer as saying.
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    Wait…both of those can’t be right, can they?
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    So, which one is it, Kate Pickert?
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    Are the “proponents” correct, or are the “experts” like Hank at Pfizer correct about the issue?
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    You’ve, you know, just reported what some people said on the one hand, and then what other people said on the other.
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    Your readers have no way of determining who is correct, and who is telling the truth vs who is incorrect, and who is promoting their self-interested agenda.
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    Would you please finish your job as a journalist, and actually inform your readers which side is correct, and which side isn’t?
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    Thanks in advance for that helpful information, Kate Pickert!

  • aynoors
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  • destor23

    “They says drug makers would respond by raising prices in other countries or shrinking shipments to those nations.”

    Kate, there’s no actual evidence that this would happen. You could say we won’t know until we try it. I suspect this is one of those logical sounding and convenient fictions. I mean, Pfizer’s going to cut off the flow of drugs to Canada? Really? Canada would be able to pressure them not to in many very easy ways (like, fine… but now your over the counter products aren’t welcome here either). But again, we don’t know. This is like when bankers say that if you tax their bonuses they’ll give up and become school teachers or something. Sounds logical. But there’s no evidence to back it up.

  • gysgt213

    “And yes, drug makers have high enough profit margins in their largest market – the U.S. – that they can afford to charge others less.”
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    The drug industry claims that high U.S. prescription drug prices are necessary to fund research and development. But European countries, which sell the same drugs for a fraction of the U.S. price because their governments negotiate fair prices with prescription drug makers, have produced 60% more new drugs than the United States since 1975. In fact, R&D is a lower priority than profits for drug companies. For instance, in 1999, the top twelve firms put nearly 50% more revenue into profits than put into R&D.
    .
    http://www.uspirg.org/home/reports/report-archives/health-care/health-care/d_c_-area-consumers-pay-more-for-prescription-drugs-while-pharmaceutical-profits-soar-an-investigation-into-prescription-drug-price-gouging-in-the-d_c_-metropolitan-area
    .
    Every day Americans are subjected to a barrage of advertising by the pharmaceutical industry. Mixed in with the pitches for a particular drug—usually featuring beautiful people enjoying themselves in the great outdoors—is a more general message. Boiled down to its essentials, it is this: “Yes, prescription drugs are expensive, but that shows how valuable they are. Besides, our research and development costs are enormous, and we need to cover them somehow. As ‘research-based’ companies, we turn out a steady stream of innovative medicines that lengthen life, enhance its quality, and avert more expensive medical care. You are the beneficiaries of this ongoing achievement of the American free enterprise system, so be grateful, quit whining, and pay up.” More prosaically, what the industry is saying is that you get what you pay for.
    .
    Is any of this true? Well, the first part certainly is. Prescription drug costs are indeed high—and rising fast. Americans now spend a staggering $200 billion a year on prescription drugs, and that figure is growing at a rate of about 12 percent a year (down from a high of 18 percent in 1999).[1] Drugs are the fastest-growing part of the health care bill—which itself is rising at an alarming rate. The increase in drug spending reflects, in almost equal parts, the facts that people are taking a lot more drugs than they used to, that those drugs are more likely to be expensive new ones instead of older, cheaper ones, and that the prices of the most heavily prescribed drugs are routinely jacked up, sometimes several times a year.
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    n the past two years, we have started to see, for the first time, the beginnings of public resistance to rapacious pricing and other dubious practices of the pharmaceutical industry. It is mainly because of this resistance that drug companies are now blanketing us with public relations messages. And the magic words, repeated over and over like an incantation, are research, innovation, and American. Research. Innovation. American. It makes a great story.
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    But while the rhetoric is stirring, it has very little to do with reality. First, research and development (R&D) is a relatively small part of the budgets of the big drug companies—dwarfed by their vast expenditures on marketing and administration, and smaller even than profits. In fact, year after year, for over two decades, this industry has been far and away the most profitable in the United States. (In 2003, for the first time, the industry lost its first-place position, coming in third, behind “mining, crude oil production,” and “commercial banks.”) The prices drug companies charge have little relationship to the costs of making the drugs and could be cut dramatically without coming anywhere close to threatening R&D.
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    Second, the pharmaceutical industry is not especially innovative. As hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The great majority of “new” drugs are not new at all but merely variations of older drugs already on the market. These are called “me-too” drugs. The idea is to grab a share of an established, lucrative market by producing something very similar to a top-selling drug. For instance, we now have six statins (Mevacor, Lipitor, Zocor, Pravachol, Lescol, and the newest, Crestor) on the market to lower cholesterol, all variants of the first. As Dr. Sharon Levine, associate executive director of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group, put it,
    .
    If I’m a manufacturer and I can change one molecule and get another twenty years of patent rights, and convince physicians to prescribe and consumers to demand the next form of Prilosec, or weekly Prozac instead of daily Prozac, just as my patent expires, then why would I be spending money on a lot less certain endeavor, which is looking for brand-new drugs?[4]
    Third, the industry is hardly a model of American free enterprise. To be sure, it is free to decide which drugs to develop (me-too drugs instead of innovative ones, for instance), and it is free to price them as high as the traffic will bear, but it is utterly dependent on government-granted monopolies—in the form of patents and Food and Drug Administration (FDA)–approved exclusive marketing rights. If it is not particularly innovative in discovering new drugs, it is highly innovative—and aggressive—in dreaming up ways to extend its monopoly rights.
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    And there is nothing peculiarly American about this industry. It is the very essence of a global enterprise. Roughly half of the largest drug companies are based in Europe. (The exact count shifts because of mergers.) In 2002, the top ten were the American companies Pfizer, Merck, Johnson & Johnson, Bristol-Myers Squibb, and Wyeth (formerly American Home Products); the British companies GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca; the Swiss companies Novartis and Roche; and the French company Aventis (which in 2004 merged with another French company, Sanafi Synthelabo, putting it in third place).[5] All are much alike in their operations. All price their drugs much higher here than in other markets.
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    Since the United States is the major profit center, it is simply good public relations for drug companies to pass themselves off as American, whether they are or not. It is true, however, that some of the European companies are now locating their R&D operations in the United States. They claim the reason for this is that we don’t regulate prices, as does much of the rest of the world. But more likely it is that they want to feed on the unparalleled research output of American universities and the NIH. In other words, it’s not private enterprise that draws them here but the very opposite—our publicly sponsored research enterprise.
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    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244

  • rustyreturns

    Well first I would like to say thank you to Kate for at least putting up a post that addresses this very sad vote in the Senate.
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    Even with vast bipartisan support (which I believe Kate neglects to say or gives a small notation to), the Dorgan Amendment was defeated.
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    This is an amendment that would give the US consumer the right to purchase medications from other countries like Canada, Great Britain, Japan, or Australia. The same countries I would like to point out who have very strict laws in place JUST LIKE WE DO IN THE US that supervise our drug supply.
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    Despite Sen Lautenberger’s claim that it opened up the “drug supply to 3rd world pharmacies such as in Russia where there are no controls in place and counterfeit drugs were rampant”. Unfortunately, this is not true, and Lautenberger’s claim is absolutely a lie.
    .
    Why did Lautenberger lie, Kate? Do you think you will go get him in print now about the lies he told justifying his amendment that came up for a vote afterwards? Do you think you might ask for a copy of the Senate record which recorded his lies and expose them now?
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    Do you think you will now investigate further as to why Americans are paying in some cases 500% more for the same drug, same packaging, and same factory that supplies the drug to let’s say Canada and the US. When that same drug in the US costs over 450 dollars in the US, but in Canada is purchased for merely 35 dollars. Why is that Kate?
    .
    Do you think that it is due to all the efforts of the FDA? Sen Lautenberger seems to think that the Dorgan Amendment would have caused undo harm and raise “safety” concerns. That was his justification and those who voted against this amendment. Safety that is already non-existent in the current drug supply. Imagine that Kate. They voted against saving the US consumer over 100 BILLION dollars because they were concerned about our safety, our safety that is already highly at risk. That is the same as someone who puts a bomb on my lap, and then says “you know rusty, you shouldn’t sit there with that bomb on your lap”.
    .
    All the hype about how Democrats want to “reform” health care. Here was a real chance to do something about the COST of health care, and they voted it down. Why Kate? Why?

  • rustyreturns

    But, but but, carol. Harry Reid has PROMISED to close the “donut hole” in Medicare. You should be singing his praises!!
    .
    Harry has single handily close the terrible donut hole. In doing so, he has saved thousands of dollars for the Federal Government. Instead of saving BILLIONS of dollars in health care costs.
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    Imagine that carol. Harry Reid and the democrats who are strongly backing this bill to pass have saved you thousands of dollars versus BILLIONS of dollars.
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    This is truly great news!! I am sure you are so proud of your Democrat Leadership, yes Carol?

  • diecash1

    “Here was a real chance to do something about the COST of health care, and they voted it down.
    ..
    You do yourself no favors by attempting to introduce partisanship into this issue. When this issue was brought up previously, the Repubs vociferously opposed it. Is there a Repub cosponsor to the amendment?
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    It’s not a partisan issue because there is bipartisan support to defeat the measure. The conservaDems and many of the Republicans are against it.

  • pintortwo

    Something seems very odd to me. We are proposing that the prescription drugs exported to countries with government mandated price controls, be then imported to the US at a significant savings. What, we can’t have our own government mandated price controls and cut out the shipping?
    .
    Whatever, the only thing that appears clear to me about this mess is that centrist Dems have just handed Congress back to the Republicans. Watch, Reps will say Dems are ineffective, disorganized, can’t legislate (yeah) and are out of touch, while Dems will counter that they’re very serious on terror.

  • rustyreturns

    Sorry but you LIE diecast. Simple as that. Go look at who voted for the bill and who voted against it buddy.
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    http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm
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    And, here is a list of the co-sponsors. Notice any Republican names there diecast?
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    Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA] – 12/1/2009
    Sen McCain, John [AZ] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Shaheen, Jeanne [NH] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Vitter, David [LA] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] – 12/1/2009
    Sen Sanders, Bernard [VT] – 12/2/2009
    Sen Franken, Al [MN] – 12/2/2009
    Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] – 12/4/2009
    Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] – 12/4/2009
    Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] – 12/7/2009
    Sen Webb, Jim [VA] – 12/7/2009
    Sen Tester, Jon [MT] – 12/7/2009
    Sen Begich, Mark [AK] – 12/10/2009

  • spob

    Kate, don’t you think that you should have noted that Barack Obama himself supported reimportation during the campaign?

  • rustyreturns

    GASP!!! OMG spob, question Obama like that??
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    You mean point out how he was all for this type of legislation for health care reform, and then cut a major deal with big Pharma?
    .
    Holy crap, spob. That just might be some real reporting from our esteemed TIME journalists!
    .
    TIME journalist might even expose this so-called “reform” as the fraud that we all know it is!!!

  • spob

    We’ll see if Kate can answer this one.

  • 53_3

    You know what?
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    I don’t care about the laws that say you can’t import cheaper from somewhere else. They were written by and for drug companies.
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    Whatever piece of hamburger they pass, I’ll just ignore those laws and do it anyway!

  • spob

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121504196.html
    .
    Another broken promise . . . . And I thought Barack was a different kind of pol . . . .

  • rustyreturns

    I just can’t believe more people are not out-raged about this. How the Democrat Leadership killed one of the only real reforms this bill could have offered. It truly makes no sense to me.

  • spob

    MS does make the point–Kate, you should link to his article:

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1948075,00.html

  • diecash1

    Lie? Really? Have YOU looked at the vote on the Dorgan amendment? If you did, you would have noted the bipartisan opposition to it. 27 Dems voted for it along with 23 Repubs and one indepenent (Sanders). I’ll save you the math. That means that 30 Dems, 15 Repubs, and LIEberman (I) voted against it, with Byrd (D) not voting on the measure.
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    How exactly is that NOT bipartisan opposition? I support the Dorgan amendment and I supported it when the Repubs passed the Medicare Drug bill. If Repubs believed so strongly in this, why were they so against re-importation of drugs in 2003? Seems to me that they could have passed it then if that had wanted to. For the repubs, this is nothing more than supporting something that Obama is against; just more opposition for it’s own sake, nothing more.
    ..
    You can see the results of the vote here:
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    http://tinyurl.com/y8k2nza

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    Valeriy Kharchenko, son of Mary Chumachenko father Vladimir Kharchenko. Kirovograd region, Dolinsky district, village Vasylivka.

    city DNIPROPETROVSK 49029
    Street. Заміська 39-1
    phone mobile 380985052947
    home 38056 7166470

    UKRAINE

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