Re Re Re Re: Joe Lieberman

Marc Ambinder has a fine (mixed) metaphor to describe the frustration of many Democratic lawmakers: “Lieberman has designed his public campaign as a way to streeeetch out the debate as much as possible, and just as Democrats seem to be on the verge of reaching him, like a quantum particle, he appears instantly at a completely different location, rendering useless at least a week of hard soldering by the Democrats.”

Meanwhile, Greg Sargent points to a video that suggests the junior Democrat from Connecticut supported something like what he now opposes just a few months ago. It’s on tape.

The quote:

My proposals were to basically expand the existing successful public health insurance programs Medicare and Medicaid…

When it came to Medicare I was very focused on a group — post 50, maybe more like post 55. People who have retired early, or unfortunately have been laid off early, who lose their health insurance and they’re too young to qualify for Medicare.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    What’s the metaphorical link between Joe Lieberman and a douche-nozzle?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Ezra Klein went through an interesting back and forth today with Chuck Lane but lost in the shuffle is this simple fact. Joe Lieberman is perfectly content to let people die unecessarily in order to appease his own bruised ego. The man is scum.

  • queencersei

    They are both likely to leave you feeling wet and somewhat uncomfortable?

  • kevin

    I think that’s an insult to scum.
    .
    Scum isn’t as egotistical as this principle-free blowhard.

  • shepherdwong

    “Joe Lieberman is perfectly content to let people die unecessarily in order to appease his own bruised ego.”
    .
    Isn’t that why most Democrats rejected him in the first place?

  • spob

    Maybe Lieberman got smart. Ya know, like Barack Obama, who once opposed the mandate. If you’re gonna give St. Barack a free pass on his shifting positions (notice how he doesn’t yap about five tests and palliative care vice hip replacements anymore), then I don’t see why Lieberman is so bad.

  • lizziefromcanada

    Ezra Klein also speaks of the 150,000-life health-care plan.

    I think the democrats should use that strategy in a filibuster. Talk about the number of deaths instead of the number of dollars.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_150000_life_health-care_pl.html

  • trifecta55

    But he is such a brave and principled villager. This makes no sense at all. Lieberman getting cut off from Sundays might do the trick to get him to behave, but it’s too important to the nation to let that happen.
    .
    Is this just a game to him?

  • deconstructiva

    …with friends like Joe Lieberman, who needs enemas?

  • square1

    I am sure that now that Lieberman has revealed himself to be a petty, unprincipled, egomaniac who could not care less about an issue that affects the health of millions and the economics of the entire country…a media onslaught must be imminent. Surely no journalists who are covering this story can possibly ignore that Lieberman appears to be sticking the knife in the legislation for no other reason than spite.

  • trifecta55

    Ha Ha. He will get sprinkles on his donuts.

  • deconstructiva

    …does Holy Joe’s presence on teevee send little starbursts through the screen and ricochet around Real America’s living rooms?

  • http://www.davesromanticpiano.com durangodave

    We’re not talking about someone who evaluated all the arguments and came to a principled decision that was different from his previously stated position. LIEberman has no god but Joe. He will say and do anything if it tickles his putrid, swollen ego. There is no principle there but “I AM JOE THE GREAT! LOOK ON MY WORKS AND DESPAIR!” There simply are not insults in the English language that can begin to describe him. He is literally beneath contempt.

  • destor23

    He loves us for hating him though doesn’t he? I mean, it amuses him…

  • square1

    Don’t bother arguing with spob. His only principle is the same as Holy Joe’s: If it is bad for liberals it must be good.
    .
    One could easily flip spob’s comment around and ask why, if Joe isn’t so bad — and clearly spob doesn’t think he is — then why is Obama? Of course, I don’t suggest wasting your time looking for logic to emanate from the direction of spob.
    .
    (Preemptive disclaimer: I am not an Obama defender. A moron should be able to see that Obama has tacitly given his approval for Lieberman’s little tantrum in order to spike the more liberal portions of the bill. So anyone who wants to slam Obama can have at it.)

  • kevin

    Sure he does. Let tens of thousands of Americans die because he’s playing childish games with health care … as long as poor little Joe gets his revenge.

  • hellslittlestangel

    Yeah, he’s like a quantum particle — a rotten, despicable, hate-curdled quantum particle.

    Seriously, what kind of shallow idiot thinks “quantum particle” is a fine metaphor, rather than, I don’t know, maybe a pretentious cliché?

  • spob

    I like the Shelley reference.
    .
    With respect to Lieberman, I ain’t saying he’s principled. I’m just laughing at Reid.
    .
    And who’s to say that Obama is principled?

  • queencersei

    Either way you should have a change of underwear handy for that not so fresh feeling.

  • rustyreturns

    Go to work and earn your health care and quit begging for the tax payers to pay for it.
    .
    Forgo your internet connection a few months or your cable TV. I am sure there are many many ways you could budget for your health care instead of demanding for the Government to pay for it. Life is tough, and to get somewhere you work for it. If you were not lucky enough to have a silver spoon stuck in your mouth, then use the God given talents you have to make money and pay for it.
    .
    Quit whinning!!

  • deconstructiva

    …and most people out of work would be quite happy to go back to work and pay for it, even grudgingly at higher taxes. So if the private market is supposed to be the job creator and not the govt., then why aren’t you holding up your end of the deal? And yes, I am looking at you too, biz-owner rusty. Have you started hiring already? Other than sitting on your ass and whining (correct spelling) about socialized medicine, what are you doing to improve the economy? Are you still part of the problem or are you even trying to be part of the solution?

  • shepherdwong

    “Go to work and earn your health care and quit begging for the tax payers to pay for it.”

    The most recent census data, reports that 60 percent of uninsured adults in the United States are employed—that’s 23 million of the 38 million adults who were uninsured in 2008.

    .http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/11/employed_uninsured.html
    .
    Why don’t you do your part to make the public discourse that much more intelligent and just STFU, you ignorant, brainwashed jerk.

  • bobell

    How many centuries of cable TV would one have to forgo to afford one course of treatment for cancer, rusty? Are those 45,000 people a year who die for lack of insurance actually to blame because they refused to darn their socks instead of buying new ones? Have you any idea how hard it is to use your God-given talents when you’re laid up in a hospital barely surviving day to day? Are you sure you live on Planet Earth?
    .
    Still, your latest little whimsy does serve one purpose — it makes clear your utter lack of grasp of what’s going on. I’d ask if you were trying to be funny, but I don’t think you know how.
    .
    We aren’t whinning — we’re lhosing. The insurance companies are whinning.

  • nflfoghorn

    A “hole of a donkey” would be more appropos, but then that would be condemning the wonderful, natural function of said orifice [sp?].

  • notfooledbydistractions

    I’d say I respect Mr. Liebermans principles, but it’s obvious that he doesn’t have any. So he lands firmly in the land of unprincipled hypocrits. I hope he sleeps soundly at night knowing the death of thousands of uninsured are the direct result of having to pad his ego. He’s nothing but a steaming, stinking pile.

    Theres got to be a better way to legislate in this country.

  • hellslittlestangel

    Abolishing the Senate would be a good start.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    As I stated previously, Lieberman is a political liability whose conduct has been allowed to get out of hand because for some reason, the democrats have been unable to craft ANY effective plan to contain his erratic so called “mavericky” ways.

    The reports on his position on the Obama Health care reform is the tip of the iceberg.
    Lieberman will only continue with his posturing if he is not stopped. He obviously knew he was recorded and yet he contradicted himself –so what does this mean if not some sort of political game. What a mess!

    Sigh, I am disappointed that 60 votes is fast becoming a dream for the democrats. The Republicans are waiting like hungry tigers to show up the Obama Administration. I hope the Obama folks can work through something to avoid a filibuster.

    LM

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  • bobcn1

    ‘I’d say I respect Mr. Liebermans principles…’
    .
    You have to be quick to respect Lieberman’s principles. Before he changes them.
    .
    Lieberman is living proof that the Gore-icle sometimes makes mistakes.

  • formerlyjames

    One hallmark of Al Gore’s miserable 2000 campaign is named Lieberman. Who would be a worse VP and person, Lieberman or Cheney? All I know is both should be pictured next to the words obnoxious and destructive in the dictionary.

  • apollyon07

    It’s hard to believe that Lieberman was the Democrat’s VP nominee just 9 years ago.

  • kevin

    Ssssh, don’t confuse rusty with facts.

  • Cliff

    We are taxpayers, jackass.

  • abdullah69

    The delicious irony is that the American taxpayer pumps billions of dollars to enable the Israeli government to run a universal health care system. Duh?

  • Art Pepper

    I propose that the GOP candidate in 2012 use this as his or her campaign platform.

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  • 3xfire3

    What an amazing website. 9,999 Liberals and 2 conservatives.
    Every L-P is demonizing Lieberman for being one of the few independents or democrats to use facts and common sense in his views in the current Healthcare debate.
    He is a man of principal and it shows your intolerance of the ideas of others when you call him names and use personal attacks.
    Ladies and gentlemen, and I use those terms rather loosely here, we have a democracy in this country and we are supposed to debate ideas not act like idiots by using personal attacks against anyone who holds a different view they do.
    I notice that about 90% of L-P demonize opponents rather that debate the issues. About 10% of conservatives do the same.
    Just because someone honestly holds a different view than you, doesn’t make them an evil person. You are the evil one if you simply demonize them for their views.

  • omgamike

    Lieberman has no principles, is strictly a clown looking for attention. I agree that the dems need to grow a backbone and filibuster those opposing true reform. The HCR bill has been diluted so much now that it does not deserve passage or enactment. Better no bill than a cruddy one.

    I wish I could design a web site to attempt to gather all like minded people into a massive grass roots effort to identify all the naysayers to true HCR, then raise the money necessary to back any and all those who would challenge them in primaries, and finally, vote all of them out of office — get people in who are not afraid of true reform.

    “Rusty” is so far to the right that he must have trouble reaching around to scratch an itch on his left side.

    I have noticed that in the vast majority of such people, that when they experience a sudden reversal of fortunes, that they are among those screaming the loudest for help. But under “Rusty’s” belief system, “Rusty” would have to be left on the side of the road, dying, as he would no longer be deemed fit to live.

  • 3xfire3

    omgamike
    Rusty only appears to be far to the right. When your views are so far to the extreme left, every sane person seems to be to the right. rusty’s view may be conservative but they usually make a lot more sense then the lack of common sense shown by the L-P end of the political spectrum.

  • omgamike

    Where are Lieberman’s principles when 3 months ago he is for something that 3 months later he is against — with no apparent reason for the change in support? Where are the facts to back his position.

    I tend to think that Lieberman is more out for revenge against the dems who abandoned him when he lost the CT primary to Lamont 3 years ago. That is not acting out of principle.

  • omgamike

    Personally I tend to be a little bit to the left of center. I am neither dem nor repub, but rather, independent. I don’t care for high taxes, but accept the necessity for them to solve some of society’s ills. I personally do not believe in abortion, but do believe it is a woman’s right to choose for herself. I am heterosexual, but do not believe in demonizing homsexuals. I am not a socialist, but do accept that we already live in a somewhat socialist leaning society (i.e. medicare, VA benefits, etc.). I believe in a higher power, but do not subscribe to creationism. So I am neither liberal nor conservative, but am a mixture of both.

    So, again, Rusty is so far to the right that he has fallen off the edge of the planet. His views are way beyond those conservatives I have either known or read from. The conservatives I speak of have arguments that one can at least make sense out of. Rusty’s do not.

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