RE: Lieberman’s Health Care Coquetry

What?! Lieberman’s a hypocrite?

Couldn’t be!

This is unlike any of the changes Obama himself has made from when he campaigned to now, Michael? How so?

Joe’s a political whore. He’ll say or do anything for money. Why is anybody surprised?

No matter how many times you post a “coquetry”, it really does not answer the real problem that we simply cannot afford the proposed plan by the majority of Democrats.
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This is all that Liberman and Nelson both said on the Sunday talk shows. Both recognize the cost to the tax payer is out of the question. That putting forth a public option in any form is simply creating another doomed entitlement program.
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Enact legislation that provides reform, without all the exhorbitant costs attached. Let people provide their own health care costs. Let the individual be responsible to pay for his or her own insurance, and stop the madness of more social welfare programs in this country.

Joe Lieberman is a self-serving fraud, rusty.
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Here is what Lieberman told the Connecticut Post on September 8 of this year:
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>>By allowing citizens who are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid to buy in for a rate below the private market, the government can extend coverage to more of those who are currently uninsured, he said.
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To arrive at his position, Lieberman said he reached out to “every conceivable group” in the state, including residents, providers, doctors and hospitals.
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Talk about lying sack of guano…

Funny how the way-back machine isn’t used on Barack Obama . . . .

No surprise there!

Lieberman is posturing and for some inexplicable reason Reid and the Democrats appear unable to take any real and sustained action to stop this man from thwarting key initiatives of the Obama administration.

Lieberman might be deluded into thinking he has some Demi-god status because he has for so long run amok without sanctions but it is never too late for the Democrats to reign him in! I am sure that at some point (hopefully not too distant future) Lieberman will be stopped.

LM

http://chiefadvocate1.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/if-you-are-criminalized-stalked-abused-tracked-and-harassed-by-criminals-using-technology-the-law-is-on-your-side/

Can you ever address the issue at hand?
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Ever?
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Your every post is further evidence of your lack of cogent thought…

I agree. The folks who are trying to paint this as some sort of “payback” for perceived slights are missing the boat with Joe. He’s all about rewarding the folks who are stuffing his pockets.

Joe Klein agrees with Joe Isuzu on the cost of Medicare expansion. I’m still perplexed as to why. And why is it that something that’s evidently tangential and good for Americans is automatically budget-busting while TWO WARS ARE NOT.

Label it whatever you want, coquetry or otherwise, but the opposition to health reform has been doing nothing but grasping at straws trying to shut it down. Their general opposition would be more credible if they could mount a consistent and credible argument against but instead they try a new one every week trying to scare citizens into opposing something that they very clearly want and was very clearly promised to them during the campaign. Lieberman blatant reversals and self contradictions are just examples of opposition that is opposition for the sake of it, not for any reason beyond wanting to disallow the elected Democratic majority any significant accomplishment.

Perhaps the responsibility of the Federal Government IS to provide national security. Provide for an armed force?
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Whereas health care, providing insurance or coverage IS NOT the responsibility of the Federal Government.
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It is that simple!

Oh yeah and let those who can’t afford to buy their own insurance dies when they get sick!
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Yeah I know we need people to watch our children in day care, serve us latte, give us our manny-pedis, clean the restaurant dishes, do our housekeeping, harvest our crops, help our children cross the street, take our pulse in the doctor’s office, and drive our school buses etc. But the truth is we have high unemployment they can be easily replaced so when they get sick they should just die quickly.
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I don’t know about you rusty, but my country, my fellow citizens should be better than that. They claim to be God fearing people with all of these moral values, please tell me when exactly it was that selfishness became such an exalted aspirational goal? Our country cannot and should not ignore that nearly 45,000 people die every year from not having insurance. And Rusty — when you meet your maker and he asks you what did you do to help, I hope you come up with a better answer than “I ran the numbers.”

Rusty,

So if wars are budgetbusting it’s okay because the federal government should provide national security?

Rusty,
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Maybe not “that simple”. In the Preamble to the Constitution, right after “provide for the Common defense” is the phrase “promote the General welfare”.
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The Preamble is sorta the “mission statement” for the Constitution. I think this might reasonably fall under that area.
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Just a thought…

Stunning, I know.
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What an egomaniacal sociopath.

@afguy

You assume too much. Rusty has never read the Constitution. He’s waiting until English is the official language.

As you so clearly define afguy, “promote” and “provide” are two very distinctly different words.
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One implies that the Government pays for the cost. As in “provides for the common defense”. Whereas the other implies that Government will ensure adequate regulations or “promote” such so the individual can provide for themselves.
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Right?

I also believe if we stopped all the social welfare programs, we wouldn’t need to worry about any “buget busting”, hippo.
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That is why I am also in favor of a balanced budget from the start. To never allow for debt to occur without the revenue to back it all up in the treasury.
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I know that is such a silly idea so far as liberals are concerned. They will simply just print more dollars to finance everything.
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HA!

“I don’t know about you rusty, but my country, my fellow citizens should be better than that. They claim to be God fearing people with all of these moral values, please tell me when exactly it was that selfishness became such an exalted aspirational goal?”

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Perhaps it started Dee, when a large portion of our country is now totally dependent on handouts, welfare and demand that the Government simply keeps their sorry ass.
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Perhaps all of the social welfare programs that I am sure you enjoy personally, are not programs that empower people, but cause them to be dependent. Dependent upon programs to enable behavior that has created the largest welfare state in human history.
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Maybe just maybe Dee, if you got out and worked for it yourself, you just might be better off than being a Welfare Queen.
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Maybe for once in your life you can say to yourself, “free at last, thank God almighty, we are free at last”.

Well, then what would YOU define as “adequate regulations”?
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We can provide all of the regulations we want but, as the recent experiences with the “free market” financial insitutions prove, when you have those responsible for enforcement who really don’t believe in the concept of enforcement and punishment for violations, all of the regulations in the world don’t help.
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I just passed 61 and, given my family’s history of heart and cancer, I can pretty much kiss a meaningful health plan adios because of “previously-existing conditions”. And, no Rusty, I don’t have enough reserve on hand to “provide for myself”.
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Guess I’m just dead meat, huh?

To summarize…
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“Are there no prisons… are there no workhouses?? Better they should just die and decrease the surface population.” – Ebenezer Scrooge

Rusty,

I find it ironic to talk about liberals and budget busting. I believe it was Ronald Reagan, with a Republican Senate who set new records in budget busting only to be out done by George W. Bush.

Will Obama break those records? You betcha. But at least it is during a recession, when revenues are down. What is Bush’s excuse? He had a Republican congress for six years and they went on a spending spree. He did not veto one spending bill in six years!!

Let’s see the last time we had balance budgets? Oh, yes, under that arch-Conservative Bill Clinton. And before that? Arch-Conservative Lyndon Johnson.

As for conservatives . . . . . . .

“Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.” — Dick Cheney

Real classy, Rusty.

“That is why I am also in favor of a balanced budget from the start. To never allow for debt to occur without the revenue to back it all up in the treasury.”

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Maybe you should tell your party to favor it too? This is not the only forum I read and the funny thing about the previous administration is that no one on your side seemed preoccupied about where the money came from under Bush. Fiscal prudence seems to be for this administration only. The fiscal imprudence that caused the current economic woes are so 1 year ago and mere mentioning of Bush causes an apoplectic reaction amongst the very same crowd who spent most of Bush 8 years blaming Clinton for all problems.

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If you truly believe in your own statement you must first remove the log in your eye in order not to see just how contradictive that is

For those who need pictures so that they can comprehend the difference between “spending” like a Republican, and “spending” like the out of control Democrats.
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http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
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“Fiscal prudence seems to be for this administration only. The fiscal imprudence that caused the current economic woes are so 1 year ago and mere mentioning of Bush causes an apoplectic reaction amongst the very same crowd who spent most of Bush 8 years blaming Clinton for all problems.”

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Please do not even attempt to compare Bush’s deficits with those projected under Obama. There is NO comparison what-so-ever.

“Please do not even attempt to compare Bush’s deficits with those projected under Obama. There is NO comparison what-so-ever.”

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Of course not…because I would assume the differense between spending a couple of trillion dollars during GWB and under Obama has to do with the GOP or the Dem in front of the policy makers.

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Sorry, but I don’t need to compare them. The facts are what they are. I don’t like any of them what you’re trying to dismiss your own mess by blaming it all on the ‘liberals’ and that’s nonsense.

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