The Coming Deficit War: Why You Will Be Paying More To Uncle Sam (Or Getting Less From Him)

The New Republic’s Noam Scheiber has a piece up this morning describing the bipolar economic pressures that the White House is now struggling with: the need for more stimulus spending vs. the need for less deficit spending. (I also have a piece in the next issue of the magazine–subscribe here $1.99 for six weeks–on the same topic.) This challenge shapes the battlefield for the next major clash in Washington, both as a matter of policy and politics.

In terms of policy, there is a real need for the U.S. to establish some credibility in international credit markets. In terms of politics, polls suggest that all the Tea Party disdain for federal spending and debt could have an impact on Congressional midterm elections in 2010. As we all wait to find out how the White House will play its hand, the tea leaves suggest something big might be in the offing.

But before getting into such speculation, let’s take a moment to understand the problem.

In early November, President Obama’s top accountant Peter Orszag traveled to New York University, where he depressed a lot of college kids by describing just how hard the current recession is likely to hit them. He also made some key statements about how the Obama Adminstration sees the deficit problem. Apologies for the extended excerpt, but it is about as concise a statement you will find on the current deficit dilemma. (Emphasis mine.)

Just a few weeks ago, the Administration released the year-end statement of the federal government – a final accounting of what we took in and what we spent for fiscal year 2009, which ended in September.

The results were not a surprise, but they were still sobering: the deficit for last fiscal year was $1.4 trillion, or 10 percent of our economy. Next year’s deficit is expected to be about the same size, and current projections show $9 trillion in deficits over the next 10 years, averaging about 5 percent of GDP. Deficits of this size are serious – and ultimately unsustainable.

So how did we get here? Of the $9 trillion in deficits projected over the coming decade, nearly $5 trillion comes as a result of failing to pay in the past for just two policies — the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and the creation of a Medicare prescription drug benefit.

The cost of the tax cuts will total about $4 trillion over the next decade, including the additional interest on the debt the federal government will have to pay since the tax cuts were deficit financed. The Medicare prescription drug bill will add about another $700 billion to the deficit – bringing us to about $5 trillion total for the cost of just these two policies.

In addition, roughly $3.5 trillion can be attributed to automatic economic stabilizers. As the economy enters recession, certain spending programs, such as unemployment insurance and food stamps, automatically increase and revenues tend to decline. Although this helps to ameliorate the economic downturn by stimulating demand, it also leads to higher deficits.

Finally, there is the Recovery Act which accounts for just 10 percent of the entire deficit over the next decade. All told, the entire $9 trillion deficit reflects the failure to pay for policies in the past and the cost of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression and the steps we had to take to combat it.

Now, assigning blame never solves a problem, but it is important to understand that we didn’t get where we are merely as a result of bad luck. It was the result of decisions – conscious, but unfortunate – and it will take deliberate action for us to work our way out of this situation. And it’s critically important that we do just that.

This is a big deal, or it should be. In the middle of a massive spending spree to counter the recession, the Obama Administration is broadcasting the admission that its own policies are “unsustainable.” And there are signs that the White House will do something about it. Shortly after the speech, word leaked out that Orszag was considering a five percent cut in discretionary spending for all Cabinet agencies, with the exception of Defense and Veterans Affairs. [Correction: While several news organizations reported on the five percent cut proposal after the speech, the original request for agencies to create, as one option, budgets that shrunk by five percent was issued by Orzsag in the summer, and initially reported then.]

Scheiber notes that this proposal is controversial not just among Democratic appropriators on the hill, but among some of Obama’s own advisers.

Many congressional liberals were livid, and, according to multiple sources, Larry Summers’s National Economic Council reacted negatively to the emphasis on the deficit. (“The economic team has a healthy debate about most major issues,” says an administration official. “Getting people back to work is central to addressing the deficit. Similarly, putting the country back on a fiscally sustainable path is vital to confidence in the economy.”) The concern among wonks outside the administration is that clamping down on domestic discretionary spending without touching entitlements would take money out of the economy in the short term while doing nothing to close the long-term deficit.

To be clear, the real issue is not short-term spending. It’s what to do when the economy returns to something like normalcy and the U.S. government is still living beyond its means. There are really only two options: Take in more revenues (mainly through tax increases) or spend less (through cuts to entitlements or discretionary accounts). Neither option is going to be politically popular, Tea Party protests aside. The habit of both political parties for several decades has been to win office by promising voters more money–either through tax cuts or spending–not less. This will have to change.

There are a number of options being bandied around, including a possible new Value Added Tax. This may seem like a shocking notion, but it is not as shocking as you might think. Consider this release from the accounting firm KPMG.

More than half of senior business executives surveyed by the Tax Governance Institute (TGI) expect some type of value-added tax (VAT) to be introduced in the United States within five years.

Acknowledging the need for additional revenue to help address the growing chasm between the country’s existing revenue flows and its built-in expenditure obligations, 57 percent of the executives in the TGI survey said they believe VAT legislation will be introduced in the United States within five years, while 18 percent expect it within 10 years.

“The survey responses underscore a recognition that the short- and long-term outlook for the U.S. fiscal deficit is bleak unless some combination of spending cuts and additional revenue is implemented within the next decade or sooner,” said Hank Gutman, KPMG tax principal and director of the Tax Governance Institute, and former chief of staff of the U.S. Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

Another possibility is a BRAC-like commission, which has been proposed by Senators Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg. Here is a quick summary of how it might work:

A group of congressional budget hawks, led by Senators Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg, have proposed forming a commission that would make proposals designed to reduce spending or increase federal revenue throughout the government. Unlike most advisory panels, this commission would have the special power possessed by Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) commissions: Congress would have to vote on its recommendations on a straight yes-or-no vote, without the possibility of amending the commission’s proposals. Conrad, Gregg, and their allies realize that reducing Congress’ flexibility in this manner is the only way to induce Congress to approve politically painful tax hikes and spending cuts (just as it’s the only way to induce Congress to approve base closures).

President Obama has now clearly raised expectations that something must happen. In China, Obama raised the possibility of the U.S. slipping into a “double-dip recession” if the deficits are not handled. On Tuesday, Obama announced that fiscal responsibility “is one of the central goals of this administration.”

Now whatever does happen is sure to be packaged to seem like a win for everybody. But make no mistake, the only route to fiscal responsibility, barring a miraculous economic boom that floods the treasury, is for the American people to either get less from the government or pay more to the government. In this case, the numbers don’t lie.

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  • meellerbee

    Mr. Scherer, you make an uncorroborated assertion–”there is a real need for the U.S. to establish some credibility in international credit markets.” Why oh why don’t we have a better press corps?

  • gysgt213

    This is really good news for John McCain.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer
  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I would hardly refer to funding unemployment benefit and COBRA obligations as a ‘spending spree’. Right after a precise and honest evaluiation of the problem , you’re right back out of the gate with loaded language.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Other than that, it’s actually a good post…….

  • shepherdwong

    “It is important though to recognize if we keep on adding to the debt, even in the midst of this recovery, that at some point, people could lose confidence in the U.S. economy in a way that could actually lead to a double-dip recession,” [Obama] said.
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    Probably the single dumbest statement Obama has ever made, though he has to pay enough lip-service to “centrist” morons so it is not without relative precedent. Do you know what else could create a double-dip recession: anemic (or negative) economic growth as a result of government failing to spur growth and employment through deficit spending. Failing to fix the many broken aspects of the country from transportation and energy infrastructure to the health care system will also continue to be a drag on the economy of not remedied by deficit spending
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    This is all Kabuki orchestrated by our corporate masters to avoid higher marginal tax rates and the possibility that more people will discover that they can use government to tax the supremely wealthy to solve serious societal problems.

  • FlownOver

    MS:

    So your “corroboration” sources are: two guys who are ritually obliged to make noises about deficit cutting in order to respond to the wingers who suddenly claim to be concerned about deficits, and Fox Business (!) citing a Moody’s statement that this might become a problem three or more years out?

    It’s a Seth & Amy moment: REALLY?

  • shepherdwong

    Here, let’s try it this way: “The Coming Deficit War: Why Joe Klein And Time’s Owners Should Be Paying More To Uncle Sam (And You Should Expect More From Him)”
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    Better.

  • pintortwo

    Thank you Michael, informative post.
    What amazes me, however, is what is always left unsaid: why can’t we consider lowering defense spending? -not a critique on MS, although it would have been nice. Not mentioned, it’s taboo. We seem held captive by the hawkish media types and their labels.

  • bitterpill8

    Let’s not forget that lots of jobs depend on the DOD; and Senators and Congressmen fight hard to keep bases open even well after their sell by date. Same for programs, and all kinds of advanced weaponry, star wars, and on and on. The DOD is about jobs. That’s the rub.

  • dollared

    Hey, I got an idea! How about reversing the Bush tax cuts and cutting defense spending by 20%? Doesn’t that eliminate 80% of the structural deficit?

    Wow! What a crazy thought! I guess I’m just a silly nut job!

  • square1

    This is a big deal, or it should be. In the middle of a massive spending spree to counter the recession, the Obama Administration is broadcasting the admission that its own policies are “unsustainable.”

    His “policies” are unsustainable? WTF is MS talking about?

    A. Obama said the deficits are unsustainable, not his policies.

    B. Stimulus spending is not meant to be “sustainable.” That is why it is called a stimulus.

    C. The purpose of stimulus spending is to reduce the deficits in the mid to long term by growing the economy and increasing tax revenues. One of the reasons that we have a deficit problem is that slow or negative growth results in increased spending and decreased.

    Now if MS was talking about bailouts for Wall Street being unsustainable, he might have a point. On how it is essential that Congress pass a strong financial-industries reform package because the current banking climate is unsustainable. I won’t hold my breath for those posts.

  • shepherdwong

    Oh, and you forgot to mention:

    “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter”
    –Vice President Dick Cheney

  • pintortwo

    Yes, of course, bitterpill. The DOD creates jobs. But we should be concerned with the optimal use of those funds in order to create jobs. Will spending “$53 billion for relief and reconstruction in Iraq since the 2003 invasion” (link), or $4 billion in four years (projected) on infrastructure projects in Afghanistan (link), or even on F-22s at around “$350 million per copy” (link) create more jobs than equal (or lesser) investments in domestic infrastructure? I’d rather have my neighbors working to improve my crappy bridges, or make wind turbines, and buy their supplies from other neighbors, and eat their lunches in my neighborhood diner then have a new $736 million Embassy in Pakistan (link).
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    And, as a citizen, I’d like to have some debate on it.

  • Ivy_B

    The cost of the tax cuts will total about $4 trillion over the next decade, including the additional interest on the debt the federal government will have to pay since the tax cuts were deficit financed. The Medicare prescription drug bill will add about another $700 billion to the deficit – bringing us to about $5 trillion total for the cost of just these two policies.

    And the newly minted Repub deficit hawks scream like stuck pigs if rolling back those tax cuts is hinted at. The Obama administration is silly for not pointing out the above quote every time there are crocodile tears about the deficit. No one cared about it during the previous eight years during another spend and borrow administration, but now such wringing of hands and rending of garments.

    As to a VAT… people may finally rise up and throw all the bums out of Congress if they figure out what will happen. I just returned from a country where EVERY transaction has a 14% VAT. Would you then add state sales taxes on top of a VAT? Terrible idea. Roll back those tax cuts and deal with the corporate overlords first.

  • square1

    If America wants to become a nation of prosperity, innovation, and growth, with its wealth creation inuring to the benefit of the majority of the population, it will do the following:

    1. Join the world in cutting carbon emissions in order to stave off climate change.

    2. Develop green energy technologies to reduce the need for carbon-based and/or foreign-based energy sources.

    3. Significantly raise income taxes on those making >$750k/year.

    4. Eliminate corporate tax loopholes so that businesses actually pay their taxes.

    5. Help American businesses be competitive internationally by relieving them of the burden of paying for their employees’ health insurance.

    6. Allow American manufacturing industries to further compete internationally by imposing taxes on products that are made using unacceptable labor and environmental standards. Note: This is not a tariff on goods made from, e.g., China because China can avoid the tax at any time by raising labor or environmental standards.

    7. Stop punishing wage earners and rewarding lazy-ass investors by taxing capital gains at a lower rate than wages. If you make money, pay your f-ing taxes.

    8. Stop the ATM transaction tax. Can you imagine the outrage by conservative think tanks if the government imposed a $2 fee on ATM transactions? Can you imagine the studies on how much this depressed consumer transactions? Well, it isn’t any less of a disincentive if the tax is imposed by Citibank or Bank of America. A modest transaction fee to cover the actual (negligible) cost of maintaining the ATM should be allowed. Maybe .01-.5% of the transaction.

    9. Massive financial industries reform. Too much to mention here.

    10. Massive investment in national infrastructure, including free wireless services in every city.

    11. Audit the Defense Dept., so that we actually know what we are spending money on.

    12. Change the Defense Dept. paradigm of purchasing relatively few, massively expensive ships, planes, and tanks. We beat the Nazis by having more tanks, not better ones.

    13. Cut Defense spending.

  • destor23

    Michael the problem here is that you accept as fact that there is a “need for less deficit spending” as if deficit spending is somehow bad. At the moment there isn’t an inarguable need for less deficit spending. There is, indeed, an arguable need for more of it.

    Around here we can argue this ad nauseum but I think that you might want to rethink whether or not you just want to bluntly state that we must reduce our deficit. It just isn’t necessarily true.

    One alternative to either spending cuts or tax hikes: we grow our way out of the hole. A larger economy can provide more services while charging less taxes and while closing the deficits.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    i don’t think you get my point, exactly. The post distinguishes with the short term spending and the medium/long-term problem that Orszag identifies. The problem, as Orszag describes, is not what is being spent now, it is what will be spent a few years from now.

  • firstwestern1

    Yes, a progressive VAT on individual items starting at $100 and calculated yearly to balance the budget. I like it.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    By policies, I meant the presidents 2010 budget, and its out year effects, which Orszag describes in his speech, not the stimulus effort.

  • square1

    Preferably, I would suggest that rather than simply raising the rates on the top tax bracket or tacking on a VAT, that the U.S. move to a truly alternative, less-invasive, and less-burdensome tax system: The Automated Payment Transaction (APT) tax (http://www.apttax.com).

    In order to raise the same amount of revenue as our current tax system, a “revenue neutral” APT tax would impose a single tiny tax rate on each and every transaction in the economy. All deductions and exemptions would be eliminated. By declaring a “zero tolerance” policy for any exemption, we wipe out every special interest loophole that now riddles our overly complex tax code. Since the volume of all transactions is estimated to be 100 times larger than the current tax base, the flat tax rate needed to raise the same amount of revenues is just a hundredth of the current average tax rate of roughly 30%. So if transactions stayed at their current level, the APT tax rate would be three tenths of one percent (0.3%) on each transaction.
    [...]
    How would it work? Consider a family with an annual income of $60,000, paying $20,000 in interest and mortgage payments on their house and spending $40,000 on all other items. The family has total transactions of $120,000. Today that family would owe roughly $20,000 in total taxes. Under the APT tax, with a rate of 0.6% they would pay $180 (.3% x $60000) on their income receipts and $180 on their expenditures for a total tax of $360. Their employer would pay $180 tax on the income payment, the mortgage company would pay $60 on its receipts and the merchants receiving the family’s $40,000 of other expenses would pay another $120 in taxes. In total, the government would receive $720. And all the taxes would be automatically assessed and paid without filing tax returns.
    [...]
    How then does the government collect enough taxes to pay its bills? Most of the revenues would be collected from the massive volume of stock and bond trades and foreign exchange transactions none of which are now taxed. One might be concerned that imposing taxes on these types of transactions would stifle economic activity in these critical areas, however, the tax is so small it would be dwarfed by the simple fluctuations in price that typically occur during the trading process.Although “day trading” and short term foreign exchange transactions will certainly decline, the reduction in these “hot money” transactions are only likely to reduce speculative market activity, thereby reducing the volatility of prices in these markets.

  • Art Pepper

    Most of the debt has been caused by the Bush tax cuts and the unfunded Medicare prescription drug benefit.

    Therefore, we should not roll back the Bush tax cuts, and we should not figure out how to pay for the Medicare prescription drug benefit.

  • Art Pepper

    NPR this morning:

    “Even as we confront a vicious adversary that abides by no rules, I believe that the United States of America must remain a standard bearer in the conduct of war,” Obama said, adding that this belief led him to ban torture and close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    Apparently we closed Guantanamo already. That’s great news!

  • Art Pepper

    Stupid, I meant to post that in the Nobel thread.

  • rustyreturns

    “This is all Kabuki orchestrated by our corporate masters to avoid higher marginal tax rates and the possibility that more people will discover that they can use government to tax the supremely wealthy to solve serious societal problems.

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    A perfect example of why we should NEVER elect liberals into office.
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    Enough said!
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  • freeinpa

    All of the VAT tax you propose assumes zero change in anyone’s behavior. Prices for houses, food or clothes do not change or the mortgage company’s interest rate change to reflect the higher cost to consumers or costs to business of tracking and paying the government. None of this will work in a vacuum.

    The market volatility may be reduced so will the capital that will be available to finance growth of U.S. businesses. The capital will flow where the volatility and returns are higher.

    Every “get the rich” tax always assumes that no change in their behavior will occur. Check the history on the luxury taxes for cars and boats.

    Why does the left always exclude the Domestic Spending variable of the budget equation. They raise taxes on business, raise taxes on the rich, gut defense spending but continue to grow Domestic Spending (including entitlements) as if the amounts raised from taxes and cutting defense spending in infinite?

  • rustyreturns

    1. Join the world in cutting carbon emissions in order to stave off climate change.

    .
    Why? In order to create a “crisis” when one does not exist? In order to create a “new shiny green jobs economy” as Joe Klein suggested yesterday no matter if there is really not a “Global Warming or Climate Change Crisis” at all? S-T-U-P-I-D

    2. Develop green energy technologies to reduce the need for carbon-based and/or foreign-based energy sources.

    If and when technologies are in place, with the infrastructure then you can move towards a more non-Carbon based energy program. Doing so before this can occur is not only insane, but rediculous.

    3. Significantly raise income taxes on those making >$750k/year.

    These are the people that create jobs. The same people if you tax them into the stratosphere, then no jobs will be created. Unemployment will continue to increase, and the economy will shut down completely.

    4. Eliminate corporate tax loopholes so that businesses actually pay their taxes.

    Why not eliminate taxes all together and just create a flat tax percent that everyone pays?

    5. Help American businesses be competitive internationally by relieving them of the burden of paying for their employees’ health insurance.

    The problem with healthcare is not the so-called “burden” of the employers paying for health care. The burden is in the inflated COST of health care in general in the US and this is the real issue that needs to be addressed.

    6. Allow American manufacturing industries to further compete internationally by imposing taxes on products that are made using unacceptable labor and environmental standards. Note: This is not a tariff on goods made from, e.g., China because China can avoid the tax at any time by raising labor or environmental standards.

    Inferior or unsafe products should not even be allowed into the country, let alone to tax them. In China’s case, we have a good track record of their “inferior and unsafe” products, we should simply ban all Chinese products until they clean up their act.

    7. Stop punishing wage earners and rewarding lazy-ass investors by taxing capital gains at a lower rate than wages. If you make money, pay your f-ing taxes.

    While you are at it pass legislation that begins to eliminate welfare. GIve someone a chance to go back to school to get a degree. If they refuse, then they should no longer receive welfare or public assistance.

    8. Stop the ATM transaction tax. Can you imagine the outrage by conservative think tanks if the government imposed a $2 fee on ATM transactions? Can you imagine the studies on how much this depressed consumer transactions? Well, it isn’t any less of a disincentive if the tax is imposed by Citibank or Bank of America. A modest transaction fee to cover the actual (negligible) cost of maintaining the ATM should be allowed. Maybe .01-.5% of the transaction.

    Not only one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard, but once you implement this tax people will simply stop using ATMs. Go Fish!!

    9. Massive financial industries reform. Too much to mention here.

    10. Massive investment in national infrastructure, including free wireless services in every city.

    11. Audit the Defense Dept., so that we actually know what we are spending money on.

    12. Change the Defense Dept. paradigm of purchasing relatively few, massively expensive ships, planes, and tanks. We beat the Nazis by having more tanks, not better ones.

    13. Cut Defense spending.

    The rest of the garbage is too extensive to even debate. Nothing but sheer and typical liberal babble!

  • destor23

    @michael: no, I get you. I just don’t believe, even long-term that there’s a politically viable tax you can increase or service you can cut that makes up the difference. So you basically hacve to hope that the current stimulus pays off with long-term growth that handles it.

  • rickterp

    One serious issue I have with this whole post: repeated references to cutting spending or raising taxes. No one is going to get elected telling this to the American people (which is why the problem goes unsolved), but in the long run deficit reduction is going to need to be about cutting spending and raising taxes.

  • shepherdwong

    Oh, you want a rational discussion about fiscal policies that include both spending and taxes. That is so pre-morning-in-America.

  • bitterpill8

    Agree, Pintortwo, but DOD projects are so murky. Look at Murtha’s activities and you will find examples of boondoggles. I know that lots of the cost overruns are awful: I recall $600 toilet bowls. We have $40 a gallon of gasoline in Afghanistan. How can we control expenditures with the kind of hamhanded excesses in Iraq via DOD and State.

    We are long on indignation and short of effective administration.

  • slowp

    So the upshot of all this is that when he ballooned the national debt from $4T to $12T GWB forced a tax increase but was too much of a coward to tell the taxpayers?

    Should I bother pointing out how ridiculously ignorant Republicans sound when they call themselves as the “party of fiscal responsibility?”

  • bitterpill8

    rickterp: we have been raised to believe that we can fight wars, go shopping and make tons of money playing the stock market, all without paying taxes. Self-delusion sells.

  • square1

    All of the VAT tax you propose assumes zero change in anyone’s behavior.
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    First, it isn’t a VAT tax. It is a transaction tax. Second, it doesn’t assume zero change in behavior. It would encourage positive behavior (GDP-growing transactions that would occur now but for the payment of sales tax, capital gains tax, payroll tax, etc.) and discourage negative behavior (any transaction that is not worth making with the imposition of a <1% transaction tax is not worth making).
    .
    Nor is it a "soak the rich" tax. The rich would have their income taxes abolished.
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    What it is is an extremely efficient tax that is transparent, fair, easy to collect, and nearly impossible to evade.

  • ifstone

    Scherer might also quote Paul Krugman, who regularly points out that the actual bond market is for the moment utterly unperturbed. 10-year Treasury yields are at historic lows, so the folks actually betting their money on such questions aren’t worried, for now. Krugman’s writings on deficit mania are very interesting (even when one doesn’t entirely agree).

    Of course bond market sentiment can change and it’s obvious that these deficits are unsustainable, but virtually all the deficit hysteria in the general press isn’t well supported. (And the meellerbee’s point is fair: the general press usually does a terrible job of covering finance and economics — Dean Baker devotes a blog to this problem.)

    And lets ask another crucial question: how bad would the deficit/debt get if high unemployment persists for years? Such conditions cause permanent damage to the U.S. economy and would almost certainly take revenues even lower. Do you put a night in a hotel room on the credit card — even if your balance is already highish — to avoid catching pneumonia, which might put a crimp in your earning power and result in a costly hospital visit?

  • ifstone

    And Scherer’s citations here tend to confirm an unsophisticated view of the matter. Moody’s has recently been discovered to have some spectacular credibility problems, and Bernanke and Geithner’s statements can be seen as pro forma (it would only be noteworthy if they didn’t express concern over deficits). Of course there’s a structural deficit problem, and it’s serious, but we need more nuanced analysis than this.

  • square1

    MS: It isn’t like the WH Budget proposal is crafted in a vaccuum, devoid of consideration for the state of the economy.
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    Even most conservative economists would agree that, if there is a time for a country to run a budget deficit, it should occur during an economic downturn.
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    Deficit spending and lowered interest rates by the central bank are the two primary tools that a country can use to spur economic growth.
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    You’ve got the story all wrong. It is “a big deal, or it should be” that when a recession hit, the debt was already so large that an appropriate amount of stimulative, deficit spending, which would be the ordinary prescription in a recession, risked the credibility of the U.S. Government — normally the safest investment harbor on the planet — in international credit markets.
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    It is “a big deal, or it should be” that when a recession hit, the Fed’s interests rates were already so low that it became impossible to lower them enough to (a) ameliorate the threat of frozen commercial lending markets and (b) stimulate short-term economic growth.
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    In short, a rainy day has just hit America and Americans are discovering that our rainy day funds have been raided over the past year and used for hookers and blow for Wall Street investment bankers.

  • discostu570

    All government spending creates jobs. Which is why increased government spending is necessary when private industry sheds jobs to maintain profit levels. Like it or not, if the government decided to cut spending by dropping funding for, say, state DMV, we’d have a whole population of surly overweight clerical types without jobs.
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    On the other side, you have people like the CEO of Disney, who at last week’s jobs summit suggested to the President that it might really help if we cut corporate tax rates. Does anybody believe that Disney is hiring less people than it would like because of all the taxes they’re paying?
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  • freeinpa

    A tax on every transaction is for all purposes a VAT. Eliminating the income tax and adding the VAT is a reasonable solution however the left will howl as they will complain it is regressive and hurts the poor the most.

    “It would encourage positive behavior (GDP-growing transactions that would occur now but for the payment of sales tax, capital gains tax, payroll tax, etc.) and discourage negative behavior (any transaction that is not worth making with the imposition of a <1% transaction tax is not worth making."

    By whose standards?? Or what defines speculative? By some definitions trading in commodities is speculative but for food companies engaged in that business it is quite routine. Would there be 2 standards or definitions? Or just the assumption that any financial transaction is speculative and it should be taxed.

  • ohiolib

    No, slowp, you shouldn’t. You will only fuel their paranoia and hysteria. Not that it’s not funny, in a sad way, but you never know what might push 2/3 or freeper to decide to bomb a mosque or something.

  • pafro

    I wondered what Disney actually pays in taxes and came across this report about how they shirk their duty:
    http://www.ctj.org/corpfed04an.pdf
    Corporations should pay a higher tax rate than us citizens do.

  • pafro

    That Conrad-Gregg proposal for a commission is a joke. It is Congress’s job to write law. They know that a commission is more likely to give them and their corporate masters what they want, which is the end of Medicare and social Security. They do not want to be accountable.
    They should make decisions and act like adults instead of asking someone to do their job for them. If they want to destroy the safety net and cut taxes to zero they should be man enough to just say it.

  • thebadger1969

    The problem with the federal deficit is that Congress will never be able to police itself. The commission that is being discussed to make up or down recommendations is just a gimmick. Politicians like being able to spend money to attract votes. What we need is a way to get a balanced budget amendment to reign them in, and a term limits amendment so that they are not as concerned with getting themselves reelected. Congress will never propose a balanced budget amendment or a term limits amendment, though, because they like spending our money to help themselves get reelected, and they don’t want to vote themselves out of a job.

    Article V of the Constitution lets the states circumvent Congress to get amendments passed. All we need are 2/3 of the state legislatures to request a constitutional convention to propose amendments. I found a website called FixitTogether.org that is trying to get the state legislatures to do this to pass four amendments: balanced budgets, congressional term limtits, term limits for judges (and giving the people an up or down vote on each judge), and a prohibition on unfunded mandates). I don’t think there’s any other way to make any real changes.

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/01/26/gimmick-or-no-obama-still-has-big-deficit-problems-and-a-dysfunctional-debate/ Gimmick or No, Obama Still Has Big Deficit Problems And A Dysfunctional Debate – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security begins to really take over. As Budget Director Peter Orszag said last fall at NYU, "Our current projections of 4 to 5 percent of GDP in budget deficits in the out-years are [...]

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