Chutzpah

Thank you Joe for pointing it out.

I’m not sure, but doesn’t the fact that Bush ran the Iraq war through supplementals and Obama put them into the budget add dramatically to the deficit?

I really am not sure and with my borrowed computer don’t have a chance to check.

“When Mr. Obama was sworn into office the federal deficit for this year stood at $422 billion. At the end of October, it stood at $1.42 trillion.”

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GASP!! That is 1 TRILLION more if my calculator is correct. Isn’t that so Joe?
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Does it also figure the 1.2 TRILLION in proposed health care reform cost? Oh that’s right, health care will not “cost” us anything what-so-ever. It is all going to vanish like a fat girl in a bikini contest. Because Barack is going to bless it with his magic wand.
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Chutzpah is when you claim to know something Joe, and really don’t know squat. The “Audacity of Hope” is Chutzpah Joe Klein. Passing the currently debated health care reform is Chutzpah, Joe. Cap and Tax based on trumped up “scientific” research is Chutzpah, Joe.
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I am really glad that you are concentrating on the current administrations crazed ideas Joe. It would REALLY be Chutzpah if you focused so much on the past, and said virtuatlly NOTHING to date on the present spending spree of the Obama Administration.
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Let’s see, what is worse. 422 billion spent over 8 years, or 1.2 Trillion to date spent in less than 10 months. Maybe, just maybe that is what Rove is talking about Joe. Maybe just maybe at this rate, Obama will have spent all of the tax dollars that shall be earned for the next 20 or 30 years before he even finishes out his first year in office. Wouldn’t THAT be Chutzpah, Joe?

Karl Rove’s life is a celebration of inattention. He can type whatever he wants, secure in the knowledge that his target audience is utterly uninterested in the fact that he specializes in calling other people on his own behavior.

Pointing out his hypocrisy is rather like shooting fish in a barrel. If you want to score any points with the left, you might want to select a more challenging target.

JK
“It’s not surprising that the blinkered extremists of the Wall Street Journal editorial page would print this drivel–any other mainstream op-ed page would require Rove to acknowledge, in passing, at least, his complicity in the current mess–but it remains a scandal, nonetheless, and the sheer craven audacity of it needs to be pointed out, from time to time.”

Seriously, you pontificating about journalistic integrity is the equivalent of ACORN writing about the immorality of housing fraud. Extremists? You believe anyone that is to the right of you is an extremist, which is at the very least over half this country.

SInce you want to degrade Rove for his shady view of the bank bailout, I don’t see anywhere in your column that mentions that the stability we have is due to Bush’s activities. If you want to tag him with the deficit, it would only be fair to credit him with the stability it provided the markets. Or are you admitting that you are one of the blathering extremists you write about?

And maybe instead of harping about what Bush did like the tax cuts or medicare drug plan, why do you not skewer the Demos for not repealing or changing this outrageous spending? Despite the “gift to the rich” tax revenues went up, only spending went up faster, another inconvenient truth the left hates. And the newly sainted Ted Kennedy complained that the Medicare drug bill was done on the cheap. So if Bush let himself get rolled by St. Ted the spending would be much higher.

And we get you don’t like the war in Iraq. It seems the only war liberals like is against the values and institutions of this country.

Also I suggest you have one of your vaunted fact checkers review a recent article by Rob Arnott of Research Affiliates in their November Fundamental Index Newsletter. He has an analysis of the debt and deficits. He also whizzes on the “much-vaunted” budget surpluses of the 90s. This was the result of putting spending of pre-funding entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare as off-balance-sheet spending. Clinton and the Demos irresponsible? Can’t be.

And we get you don’t like the war in Iraq. It seems the only war liberals like is against the values and institutions of this country.

The flushing sound continues Joe

Rove: “An honest appraisal of the nation’s finances would recommend dropping both of these last two priorities” [health care and cap-and-trade]

IMO this is mostly about protecting Big Oil by trying to scuttle cap and trade. The idea that Rove is honestly angry because his friends on Wall Street got some bailout money is pretty laughable.

I also like that the GOP is still pushing the Hoover theory of fiscal policy during a recession/depression.

If the WSJ editorial page didn’t exist people like Rove, Fund, Lott and Shlaes would be reduced to spray painting graffiti on abandoned buildings.

And most viewers would regard their output accordingly.

And the floors of those abandoned buildings would be covered with the NYT WaPo, Times etc and be used as the outdoor latrine that they deserve to be

“SInce you want to degrade Rove for his shady view of the bank bailout, I don’t see anywhere in your column that mentions that the stability we have is due to Bush’s activities. If you want to tag him with the deficit, it would only be fair to credit him with the stability it provided the markets. Or are you admitting that you are one of the blathering extremists you write about?

And maybe instead of harping about what Bush did like the tax cuts or medicare drug plan, why do you not skewer the Demos for not repealing or changing this outrageous spending? Despite the “gift to the rich” tax revenues went up, only spending went up faster, another inconvenient truth the left hates. And the newly sainted Ted Kennedy complained that the Medicare drug bill was done on the cheap. So if Bush let himself get rolled by St. Ted the spending would be much higher.”

freeinpa,

You are a trip!! You want to give credit for Bush’s deficit spending for saving the markets, yet you would be the first to criticize Obama for doing the same thing!!

I love the part about how spending raised faster than tax collection when the Republicans, the so-called conservatives and fiscally-responsible party controlled the White House and Congress, and spent money like drunken sailors!! And where was the Bush administration? NOT ONE SINGLE VETO OF ANY SPENDING BILL DURING THE FIRST SIX YEARS OF HIS TERM!!

As for me, I would rather have the tax and spend Democrats rather than the no-tax and spend Republicans. As far as spending, I would rather rely on the professionals (Democrats) of spending tax money rather than the amateurs (Republicans). LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

It takes chutzpah for anyone associated with George W.Bush to mention National deficit.
3.02 trillions increase in 4 years is a grand achievement.

I did neither. I was questioning Joe, who he likes most liberals have blame Bush for the deficit but refuse to acknowledge the other side. Conversely, if Obama is to take credit for the markets, he gets the deficit. Not hard to figure.

And I would agree that Repubs acted like Demos and that’s why now it is imperative to stop the spending even if it means replacing Rinos with conservatives. Bush did not veto but did the Demos vote unanimously against every spending bill? Or just moan and groan and spend the money?

Professional spenders? That usually defines profligate spouses who earn nothing and provide nothing of value. John Kerry comes to mind That would describe Demos indeed.

Curious about your math from this link. This is the National Debt not the budget. It shows spending but not revenues

Does anyone else get tired of mainstream journos throwing their weak chastisements at Rove et. al.?
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My impression is that Klein is saying “Oh ho ho, that naughty Mr. Rove is telling fibs again!”
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They act like this finger-wagging will be effective, but we are talking about people without a sense of shame. We need stronger measures against the kleptocrats, but even if we had such Klein and the Centrists would refuse to endorse them.

Speaking of no sense of shame, Cliff. when will we see more than finger waving at Obama for his corrupt community organizing ACORN. Jerry Moonbeam was on radio defending them dumping boxes of documents and emails days after he was announced he was “investigating” them.

And we still have Dumos still trying to funnel taxpayers money to this collection of thiefs.

But what’s a couple billion if it helps you steal an election ot twon

Rusty, I wondered if you were protesting the $12 TRILLION in deficits run up under Reagan, Bush 1 and the “W”(orst) Bush ? Or are you just a soldier in the Limbaugh “I hope he fails” army with no regard for the future of America because you don’t like anyone who isn’t a proponent of “Trickle down” theory. Trickle down is just an excuse for the wealthiest of citizens and corporations to make sure that they pay as little in taxation as possible, which means the burden must be shifted to the middle class and poor.
Every republcan president since 1928 has given us the following “gifts” from trickle down.
1. Hoover-worst depression in History, (promised a chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway)
2. Eisenhower- two recessions in 8 years
3. Nixon- two recessions in 6 years
4. Ford- continuation of the Nixon recession
5. Reagan-two recessions in 8 years
6. Bush 1- recession
7. Bush the “W”(orst)-pretty much one long recession, by the 8th year approaching depression.
The smartest things “W” ever did (there weren’t many) were 1. Asked to people to “go shooping and spend some money” following the downturn after 9/11, which jump startede the economy, a direct repudiation of the “tickle down” notion that wealth is created by the rich and filters down to the middle class and poor. Most of the wealthy became wealthy because of the fruits of the hard work done by the middle class and poor.
I’m an investor and a businessman. I have seen a huge upswing in my business since the “cash for clunkers” program, and this has been my most successful investing year in about 15 years.
I don’t like deficit spending much either, but in this case, it was a national emergency, and even “W” knew it when he backed the loans (bailouts you call them, which don’t add to the deficit if they are being repaid, which many of them are), and delayed the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler, which would certainly have done more harm a year ago than 4 months ago when the economy was beginning to recover. The recession is OVER, because we now have documentation that GNP has been growing for months. No one forecast this much progress this soon. Jobs will come, but with the economy that Obama INHERITED FROM BUSH, it will be a slow process. I am just grateful to have leaders in government who have the interests of the entire nation in mind, rather than working for Oil and gas companies, Drug companies, etc. What’s good for Exxon or health insurance cartels may not be the best thing for the USA in the long run.

While we both know that Karl Rove is a self-serving hyporite, I don’t think it is wise to assume that other people know the facts about Karl Rove. For a long time, people ignored Sen. Joe McCarthy, Hitler, etc. as insignificant and the results were disasterous. Rove should be in prison for his role in the outing of a CIA agent (the republicans would have called this treason had it not been a prominant republican who committed the act, and probably would have demanded the death penalty for Rove had he been a democrat).

Rove uses the typical sleight of hand that works quite well with radio talk show listeners. Notice that “when Mr. Obama was sworn into office” was January 20, three months and 20 days into the federal fiscal year. This was also 1/4th of the way through the final Bush budget.

One would expect the deficit to increase at a proportional rate (without a miraculous infusion of funds)–at least those that understood things like the federal fiscal year.

Art, you are so right. Recessions and depressions keep wages down, which is in the best interests of big business and groups such as the USCofC, or the United States Chamber of Commerce, which has opposed every minimum wage increase ever proposed, every worker protection measure, etc. They should change their name to the Chinese Chamber, because their policies have led to huge increases in imports from China and other countries, all in the name of more profit for the greediest.

No serious person will deny that the fiscal path we are on is unsustainable, taking us down a road to financial ruin. Even a left of center shill like Mr. Klein does nothing in the piece to dispute the dangerous fiscal path we are on. While the country burns to the ground Mr. Klein wants to whine about who started the fire instead of how we put the fire out.

While we are talking about hypocrisy, lets not forget the fact that it was all the lefties in this country who screamed bloody murder at George Bush’s deficit spending. The same people now stand mute at Obama’s fiscal policies that are much more reckless and a national tragedy.

The canard that Obama inherited this mess is getting old. Obama did not inherit the national health care plan. He created it and now is trying to shove it down our throats and bankrupt us in the process. It is his presidency and has been for almost a year. Stop blaming Bush, it just sound childish now.

P.S. Buy gold – we are all screwed.

David Neiwert’s piece on Producerism (i.e. rightist populism) is incredible.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/populism-its-all-right-wing-rage-the

And, no doubt, you were all in favor of Bush cutting taxes for the wealthy while screwing up a war in Afghanistan and needlessly starting another one in Iraq without requisite funding to cover the costs of said wars.
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Sacrifices? What sacrifices?

You hit the nail on the head. The Democrats were up in arms over Bush’s deficit spending but now stand mute as Obama does the exact same thing on a larger scale. From 2000 to 2006 the GOP stood mute as the Bush administration drove our financial bus off the cliff.

This is the problem with political parties. They don’t care about being good stewards of government. They don’t care about the checks and balances of our system of government. All they care about is beating the other side and advancing their own agenda.

I’ll be voting GOP across the board in 2010. Why? Because in the 90s it was divided government that balanced the budget, produced record surpluses and got out of the way of the economy. Does anybody seriously believe that Clinton would have balanced the budget had the Democrats still been running Congress? Does anybody seriously believe that Bush would have gotten away with the things he did if the GOP hadn’t been in charge of Congress?

The GOP taking one or both houses of Congress would be the best thing that could happen to the Obama Presidency. It will force both sides to meet in the middle rather than catering to their respective bases that only speak for a small minority of the country. It will return our Federal Government to a system of checks and balances rather than a blank check for the political agenda of a minority of American citizens.

If you care about the future of this country you’ll be voting GOP in 2010 — even if (like me) you have to hold your nose to do so.

macthefloorguy makes a cogent and effective argument . The Bush apologists however , will never yield to logic, or history. They prefer instead to cling to emotional stupidiy and to the notion that success of the party is more important than success and survival of the nation. Reagan , for who I voted the first election, nearly single handedly destroyed the U.S. economy. When he took office in 1980 , the deficit stood at 59 billion. by the time Clinton took office it was 300 billion. The national debt , when Reagan took office, was 914 billion. By the end of 12 years of republican fiscal prudence, it had swelled to nearly 4 trillion! This is hardly evidence revealing the republicans as champions of economic restraint. We have arrived at a situation where drastic measures must now be taken , where the objective must be , the benefit of the majority, with emphasis on those who have to little. The test for us as a nation is not whether we can add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have to little.(F.D.R.)

This has been EVERYONE’s most successful investing year in recent money. That has nothing to do with any skill or lack thereof on the part of Obama and the Democrats. The markets got driven to absurdly low prices because of the panic. Sound companies that weren’t insanely leveraged/involved in any of the stupidity were trading under $10.
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I also gotta say that I’m sick of seeing the “he inherited this from Bush” card played. It was a Democratic President who said “The buck stops here”. Can’t you guys get back to that attitude rather than beating the dead horse that is the previous administration?

I hate to break it to you but the Democrats hands aren’t clean either when it comes to prioritizing the success of the party over and above everything else.
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Obama ran on a platform of bipartisanship. Then he stood mute as Nancy Pelosi systematically silenced the minority party in the House. If your Congressman is a Republican then you effectively have no representation in the House. The majority controls the agenda and won’t allow any bills introduced by the minority to leave committee.
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The GOP did the same thing when they ran the place of course. My mistake was in believing the talk about a “new kind” of politics. The new kind looks suspiciously like the old from where I’m standing. All we did was replace a right wing regime that ignores 49% of the country with a left wing regime that does the same. That wasn’t the “change” I voted for.

To Joe you should know that after 9/11 there would have been a budget defecit either way. Democrats were pressuring Bush to expand govt with the homeland security department. Democrats controlled the senate at that point in late 2002.

Obama was for the first half of TARP being used he voted for it and then was for the second half of TARP being used when he was in office. Joe don’t forget Obama voted for TARP and once in office he authorized the second half of TARP being used and he could have cancelled the second half of it being used as the legislation authorized.

The stimulus was very poorly written and didn’t go directly to save jobs but went through the states. The stimulus should have went directly to infastructure projects and to save educational and state jobs. Instead the stimulus went to the states and they have used the money on pork in many cases. There was no direct jobs program. The stimulus is a mess. You could have created the same amount of jobs with a quarter of the money spent if you went to a direct jobs program. The stimulus was one of the worst written bills to come along in a long time. Literally hundreds of billions were wasted because of how the bill was written.

Obama and Bush were wrong on the issues that lead up to the bailout.

Obama and Bush both agreed with saving Fredie and Fannae Mae and Freddie Mac. This created a culture of dependency where Barclays didn’t give Lehman Brothers the loan because they expected the federal govt to bail out Lehman Brothers because they had already bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Obama and Bush both agreed to let Lehman Brothers crash which set the world economy off the cliff.

The fed and treasury couldn’t get the power to save lehman brothers in case of a collapse because the dem congress in the months before were refusing to give them the power.

Then after Lehman collapsed the Fed poured in 100 billion to stabilize the markets.

Once that happened the democrats have since overeated with massive spending which we will never get back dollar to dollar for.

Our grandchildren will be have the u.s credit ratings slashed and their children will be defaulting on our debt and they will look back at this era in disgust.

Social Security is going to start running a defecit with baby boomers retiring. Dems don’t want to solve that problem. They don’t care if we go bankrupt like Dubai. All they care about is short term gain for mid term elections instead of solving problems that is why the stimulus is all for two years right up until the midterms.

Now dems want to add a massive new entitlement in health care. They fudge numbers were the taxes start right away and the benefits don’t start until 2014 so they are right that this decade there won’t be a defecit. But what the democrats don’t tell you is that every decade after this next decade the health care defecit will be 500 billion every decade once the taxes and benefits are in line starting in 2014.

Only the dems can think of adding another huge entitlement when we are projected to be facing social security defecits with the explosion of baby boomers.

The history books will not be kind to the Pelosi/Reid/Obama debt era. Our grandchildren will be asking themselves what were they thinking. They are leaving a fiscal mess for future generations for short term political gain.

an election ot twon
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what

I can see that Karl Rove has successfully confused some of the Republicans around here about the nature of the debt & deficit.

Here’s a little help, form the Wash Monthly:

According to Rove:

“Last year, Mr. Obama made fiscal restraint a constant theme of his presidential campaign. “Washington will have to tighten its belt and put off spending,” he said back then, while pledging to “go through the federal budget, line by line, ending programs that we don’t need.” Voters found this fiscal conservatism reassuring. However, since taking office Mr. Obama pushed through a $787 billion stimulus, a $33 billion expansion of the child health program known as S-chip, a $410 billion omnibus appropriations spending bill, and an $80 billion car company bailout. He also pushed a $821 billion cap-and-trade bill through the House and is now urging Congress to pass a nearly $1 trillion health-care bill.

Rove wants to see an “honest appraisal” of where we are. Good idea. The stimulus was necessary because Rove’s old boss left the president an economy on the verge of wholesale collapse. S-CHIP expansion was necessary because Rove’s old boss rejected a bipartisan measure to help low-income children go to the doctor. Rescuing the auto industry was necessary because it was a continuation of Rove’s old boss’ policy and the nation couldn’t afford to cut off American manufacturing at the knees at the height of the recession. Cap and trade, Rove neglected to mention, wouldn’t add to the deficit, and is necessary because Rove’s old boss ignored the climate crisis for eight years. The health care reform bill would cut the deficit significantly, and is necessary because Rove’s old boss fiddled while the dysfunctional health care system got worse.

That’s an “honest appraisal.”

Rove added, “When Mr. Obama was sworn into office the federal deficit for this year stood at $422 billion. At the end of October, it stood at $1.42 trillion.”

Rove may not be smart enough to understand this, so I’ll try to make the explanation simple for him.

The bulk of the $1.42 trillion deficit has nothing to do with the Obama administration’s policies. The Center for American Progress’ Michael Ettlinger and Michael Linden recently explained, “The policies of the Bush administration, which included tax cuts during a time of war and a floundering economy, are clearly the primary source of the current deficits.” Specifically, 40% of the fiscal deterioration we’re seeing — the single largest contributing factor — can be attributed to Bush policies. Another 12% comes from Bush’s financial rescues, while 20% are the result of the economic crisis Bush handed off to his successor. What’s President Obama’s share? Just 16% of the total, most of which is the result of new spending that was necessary to prevent a depression.

steal an election or ttwo

No matter how many comments
Rove makes, Cheney makes, the Republicans make, the Conservatives make, this is still President Obama’s economy, war, deficit, and the government health care. Making excuses for President Obama by pointing out whose saying what is whitewashing the failures of President Obama. Day by day a different source comes out and tries to put a happy face on this administration. Sooner or later the misguided is going to see the truth about this administration regardless of the constant excuses being make for the failure of President Obama. I know it’s getting kind of frustrated on a daily bases prompting President Obama up and President Obama does nothing but dig that hole deeper with his far left radical ways of seeing everything about this country.

The Center for American Progress’

And you guys make fun of Fox News? 40% of financial deterioration due to Bush Policies. You mean like ACORN extorting sub-prime mortgage money? Or the hundreds of millions of dollars to Gorelick and Raines for fraudulent bookkeeping?

12% from Bush’s financial rescue. Hmm did they then mention that is what stabilized the markets? Probably not. Bush would have a better shot of being named an accomplice to Lincoln’s assassination than getting credit for something he did.

And 16% for Obama that staved off the Depression. You mean all those ineffective programs that gave money away to Dumo special interest groups while giving us 10.2% unemployment. Because as everyone knows we had to have that porkulus package without reading it so unemployment never went above 8%

Absolutely as there is not a grown-up in the bunch

Since bills for spending and regulation come out of Congress, any idea who controlled Congress to pass all of the bills that would lead to this poor fiscal policy?

And you use one of the slight of hand tricks liberals use to re-direct blame lie about the facts. Most of the spending bills form the budget were not passed until a Dumo Congress was in place. Below is some fo the reports from that noted right wing paper NYT.
The legislation includes nine of the regular appropriations bills for this fiscal year. Unable to reach agreement with President George W. Bush last year, Congress provided most domestic agencies and programs with a short-term infusion of cash, which runs out at the end of next week.

Democratic leaders of the House and the Senate have already negotiated and agreed on the contents of the new legislation. But conservative Republican senators could try to amend the bill, to pare it down or delete earmarks. If they succeed, the bill would need to go back to the House before it could be presented to the president.

“The bill increases budgets for the Departments of Education, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, and Transportation, among others.

Over all, it provides $19 billion more than Mr. Bush requested for the same agencies and $31 billion more than what they got in the last fiscal year.” (Feb 25, 2009)

How can anyone call his presidency a failure10 months into office? If un-employment bounces back in a few months and the stock market continues to make progress towards the up trend we’ve seen everyone will be saying he’s doing a great job and that what he’s doing is working. And i am really confused at what far left things he has done? He hasn’t advocated for gay marriage, but he never did nor said he would. He has distanced lobbyist from working in washington to be able to advise goverment agencies, thats not radical thats logical. He created a stimulus bill that like it or not has had effects on the economy that are good not to mention the fact that all the money isn’t even closed to being used( it was designed to filter out slowly). Also he’s going to be adding more troops to afgahanistan most likely 34,000 and asking nato for the remainder which they have already agreed to provide the 6,000 that mccrystal asked for. And the Afgahanistan war I beg to differ is an American War, they attacked our country and harbored terrosrist until they are contained or destroyed its our war, no one president chose to go into afghanistan our hand was forced. IRAQ on the other hand was Bush’s war and it put us into spending $8 billion + a month to fight it that was never put on the books. It is now Obama’s war to finish because of the idiocy of even going into Iraq, don’t get me wrong Saddam horrible man, but was he a threat? no he was a scarred dictator who know we would put him in place if neccessary. And one last point, Obama was elected to enact his agenda, wheter you call it liberal, moderate or extreme it’s his agenda to implement and he was elected by a clear majority to do so, the republicans love to bash but it was them running the country from 2000-2006 until the dems took the house and senate. They left Obama with two wars and massive debt.

No matter how many comments
Rove makes, Cheney makes, the Republicans make, the Conservatives make, this is still President Obama’s economy, war, deficit, and the government health care

Well, you got one out and a half out of four. Better than a lot of conservatives. It is Obama’s HCR bill, and he shares some blame for the deficit.
War: I’m sorry, do you think Obama mind-controlled Bush into invading Iraq and Afghanistan or something? Cause I find it hard to believe that a guy who didn’t take office till the beginning of 2009, and didn’t hold a national office till 2004, had much to do with wars started in 2001 and 2003. It’s certainly his responsibility now, but hardly his fault. Economy: well, trying reading this article.
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/economy/recession/index.htm
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Last iI heard, Bush was president at the end of 2007, and he remained president till the beginning of 2009.You can blame Obama if you want, but that doesn’t make it true. Or did Obama mind-control Bush into that too?
Deficits:http://zfacts.com/p/318.html.
If you look, it was Reagan and Bush Sr who created most of our current debt. Clinton stopped the hemorrhaging, and GWB started spending again after a break. So you can say Obama is continuing bad policy-which is true-but blaming Obama for a deficit is selective outrage at best and a blatant double standard at worst. So I’ll give half credit there.

So you’re happy with Obama’s handling of the deficits? When does he take ownership of his actions?
If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention!
Chutzpa? Have you read the Isreali Press that calls Obama the WORST PRES.? CHUTZPA RIGHT BACK AT YA!

If you’re talking to me, I specifically stated that I thought the deficits were bad policy. See above-Obama is continuing bad policy-which is true-but blaming….
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So I was already on the record as opposing that policy. And there is no date beyond which all of the problems officially become part of the current presidency. The best you can say is, after the current administrations policies have had a chance to work. The problem is the the poster above attempted to blame all the problems on Obama, when reality would say those same problems began under Obama’s predecessor. You can certainly criticize his handling of said problems, but there’s no possible way in hades to blame Obama for the wars.Also: it’s customary to use the little button known as ‘reply” to respond to a post further up. Helps to keep things organized.
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P.S. Since when do conservatives think the rest of the w0rld can evaluate the president for us?

“this is still President Obama’s economy, war, deficit, and the government health care.”

Yes, BUT: When you buy/inherit a previously owned house, for example, you don’t get a brand new house. You inherit all its problems, and you may need time to fix them. The worse the problems are, the longer it will take to fix.

The healthcare plan is new, yes, and that is WHOLLY Obama’s but, is necessary, AND is designed to be financially self-sustaining. It may not end up that way, but really, it’s an utter necessity, when you have people in this country dying from illnesses that could’ve been treated but treatment was denied. Or women being denied health insurance by one carrier until/unless they are sterilised. Or INFANTS being denied coverage b/c they are “obese” Yes, healthcare IS necessary. And if executed well, will not add much (if anything) to the budget.

I havent read it, but if the Israeli press is really saying that obama is the worst president ever, it has nothing to do with is domestic policy. It has everything to do with Obama coming out and advocating for a Palestinian state, which is something Israel does not want at any cost. Israel has no interest in resolving the Palestinian issue, and a state would prohibit Israel from perpetrating the abuses which they continue to inflict on the palestinians. If you think Israel is an ally, think again. they like us as long as we do and say what they think is in their own interest. The ink wasnt dry on Carters book before they were calling him an antisemite. Israel does whatever it wants and the world looks the other way. They have been in violiation of un security resolution 232 for 50 years, Look up the U.S.S Liberty, the navy vessle which Israel attacked and sank. But Israel apologized, so its ok.

If you call the years leading up to the end of the Bush Administration ‘stable’, you have the lousiest sense of stability known to man.

The housing marked collapsed on Bush’s watch. The banking system collapsed on Bush’s watch. We went into the worst recession since 1929 on Bush’s watch. The security of the US government was proven utterly inadequate on Bush’s watch. More civil liberties were revoked since WWII on Bush’s watch. The global prestige and reputation of the United States went through the biggest decline in history on Bush’s watch.

Jesus Christ, if that”s “stable” to you, what the hell do you consider UNSTABLE? Armageddon?

Karl Rove criticizing Obama’s attempts at dealing with the mess Rove and his buddies left him is like the captain of the Titanic criticizing the captain of the Californian for not arriving sooner.

Get a damn clue…

The trolls be spawning.

This tit for tat over what happened during each presidency is juvenile. The presidential smokescreen distracts from the fact that Congress is responsible for the legislature that you support/oppose. Congress has been irresponsible and few of us have cared enough to hold them accountable, much less bother to review what they are doing/not doing.

Republican presidential periods claim that they inherit bad economies and transform them to stable economies. Democratic presidencies claim the same. What often is ignored is market cycle, foreign policy and Congress. The items I mentioned have more to do with the current state of America than if we would have had Mr. Ed for president.

Presidents are not autonomous. Check and balances are still in effect. If Congress is unwilling to legislate then they should be fired. We elect them to represent us. If they do not represent, do not re-elect them.

Let us focus on the real issue, Congress. Stop staring at the talking heads and look around the curtain at the puppeteers.

Have you read the Isreali Press that calls Obama the WORST PRES.?
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Prove it.

To 18.1 , I hate to burst your egolibral bubble but I was commenting on the artcile named Chutzpa,which is yiddish, which is why I mentioned the Isreli Press saying Obama is the worst Prez. I know it’s hard to keep up with all that coolade your drinking. I know it’s a customary thing but try anyway. You see when Buck Ofama goes around the world telling everyone how bad the U.S. has been and how he’s a “Citizen of the world” so the rest of the world tends to evalute. Or are you not drinking the extra-strong socialist brew yet? 18.2 the USS Liberty?? I’m sorry you missed that boat. as explained above.

PianoSlammer,

You’ve really almost hit majority of whats going on square on the head except a few things that our last president initiated like the war in IRAQ. That has had a profound impact on our economy, on our foriegn policy and also putting huge strain on our servicemen and women and there families. Other than that Congress is the real issue, neither party really represents americans there either too liberal or too conservative, both Demos and Reubs have very huge issues w/ the far Left/Right ideologies of there parties. They both bend the truth and spew hate, however it is undeniable that the threat to this current president is far greater than any other we have ever had considering its jump 400% since his inaguaration. Congress needs to stop there lies and represent the people. The left stop blaming bush and the right needs to give our current POTUS some leeway and a couple years in office before slamming everything thats OBAMA. Most his policies haven’t had much effect on America yet. Stop pretending that were all of sudden going to slide into a socialist society when the truth is no ones complained when we have Medicare(socialized medicine) VA’s health plan, our own congress use goverment run health care yet repubs spew that its all bad, the proof is in the pudding. I call on every person in congress claiming govt run insurance is not the way to go to get rid of there own Gov’t run health plans, why haven’t Republicans realized that the same people who rail against health care also have and surely enjoy there plans. Hipocrasy people. Not to mention they rail against abortion and than come to find out there own health plan covered abortions.

Whoa that coolaid comment was quite racist. with that said, I hope your no bringing up that socialist word again, we Americans are such hippocrits when denouncing that certain programs are better socialized. Would you want your police station run by a private business that is driven by a business model rather than to protect and serve ? would you like us to take care the VA? or Medicare? or social security? or Public Libraries? or Fire department or the goverment run insurance our congress members benefit from yet rail against.(repubs anyway) I’m a full believer in capitalism and belive those banks that George bush Bailed out and Obama continues to bail out should have failed. But to sit here and use that term socialism so loosley is a farce. how can you rail against programs that are some anyway a neccessity? I’m middle class pay my taxes and have no problem having my taxes go to social programs instead of the 80 billion a year to things like the drug war for example which is inneffective and other wasteful programs like the TARP but things like health care thats a neccessity to help our country become a healther and stronger nation are things I don’t mind paying for .

blake,
I’m with you on Iraq, but the war had to be approved by Congress and could be over this very minute if Congress wanted it to be. Dems can cry as much as they want that Obama is (apparently) going to continue the war in Afghanistan, but they can end it Monday if they choose. You are dead on with your statement about hypocrisy. My wife works in local government and both parties are clenched in back rubbing and party lineage.

To quote my grandfather on government, “If the job is that good, don’t let one man keep it for very long, he’ll ruin it.”

blake,
He doesn’t mean koolaid, because of the racist allusion to black people consuming great amounts of it. He is referencing Jim Jones and the ilk. It means you’ve blindly bought in to the doctrine, to your own detriment, based on the persona or ideals of the one presenting the doctrine.

PianoSlammer,

I love that quote, and your right congress could end the war, but honeslty thats another thing i believe we should continue to fight, Thats a war that we were forced into we didn’t just go there like in IRAQ and we must never forget thats where the Al qada masterminds were and will go back if we leave, I don’t believe in war, but I do believe if you attack a country there will be consequnces and if we leave without a more concrete stabilization of the country we’ll show how weak our backbones are, now I don’t think we should stay without a clear strategy which we have not had for 8 years of taking our eye off the ball . We need a clear stategy and than a victory for that strategy, but i’m still yet to hear what defines victory in Afghanistan.
Put it this way, we’ll be there a while, because if we leave and it goes back to how it was, whoever is in charge during that time is going to have serious blowback if they staged another attack from afghanistan that is why we probably won’t be leaving anytime soon.

If i took that wrong I apologize I’m not trying to make someone out to be a racist, Just saying it was a little out there, now if your correct in what he was refferring (Jim Jones)to than I’m wrong however if he’s not well I’m white and black and have had issues from both my sides with racism either I’m too white or too black..lol its never bothered me to greatly, I usually don’t call anyone on it unless I feel it was over the line and where I live ( california) i’ve heard things like that spewed that are so blantly racist I can’t ignore it. With that said I’ll chalk it up to a misunderstanding on my part.

I agee with you on the Idea that I doesn’t matter rep or dem we get screwd. Thank you for the coolade explanation, and yes we elect people to bring dough to our state. and then they pander to special interest….but holding a loaded gun on a vote that could forever change this country just so you can bring 300mil to your state…. is blackmail.. woops I hope you don’t have to explain blackmail

Dear nerzhin
It became important to express sorry for poor palestinians,yet you have to stick to the facts.State of Israel had been attacked at least 3 times by its not so friendly neighbours,so they understood quite well what it meant to us when US was attacked on 9/11 and they had their flags on half staff and entire coutry was mourning, while the Gaza was cheering…
Oh yes I know the CNN footage was fabrication,but there was other….
Israel had many attempts to establish peace, offering reasonable land concessions,financial aid, yet palestinians were the one who wanted it all.Lately they chose their leadership with terorists like Hamas, and its down the slope.It’s difficult to live normal life in Israel when you’re barraged daily with catyushas.And I wonder how else you prevent them from firing by any means other than military incursion.Unfortunately,innocent people always die but the overwhelming blame should be on the bandits who placed launching pads in the school courtyards and near the buildings.
Ultimately,you get the best government that you deserve.And as for palestinians plights, I want to finish with cliche Golda Meir that said ‘when they [palestinians] began to love their children more then they hate us, that’s when there’ll be peace’.

Hey liberalSuck you don’t have to be a smarta** I said If I misinterpreted that coolaid remark I was wrong, but you have to admit that kool-aid comment used in a certain context has racial undertones attached to it and is used as a reference to ghetto blacks say what you want but it is. Blackmail has never had a racist meaning behind it, so you realize how I could misunderstand that if one was never to hear the quote in question.

When I think of Karl Rove and his ilk, I can only hope that hell is as hot as the crazy guy on the street corner with the pictures of damnation on his posterboard says it is.

Oh look, another article about nothing – sweet job Joe!

blakej19, dude I was just having fun, maybe playing a little ruff, no harm, no foul… definitely no racism. Jim jones, in the name of God, led a lot of people blindly to there death by drinking coolade laced with cynide. Sad how many times that has played out over history. kamkazi’s…. Now they die for Allah and virgins

o ok, see now I know what story you guys were talking about, I totally blanked that thing out of my head and yea my bad on getting a little crazy I didn’t realize you were joking, lol its kinda hard without you actually speaking to interpret how your saying it if you know what i mean.

I guess everyone missed the racist comment “buck Ofama.” Librulsuck displays his intelligence by the choice of his log in name.
Typical: Tells everyone America has been
Must mention Socialist
There are dozens of buzz words the right uses in excess because they have no other way to express themselves. Of course, if they become racist on occassion, so be it. Usually they are more subtle. Librul suck seems to lack subtlety.

“Buck Ofama” not racist?

Obama just made the cost of the war visible by putting it in the budget, the supplementals still brought up the deficit it just didn’t show up in the calculations, the money had to come from somewhere after all.

freep —
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You seriously need to abandon the “And I would agree that Repubs acted like Demos…” meme. It is old, tired and just plain wrong. Your so-called conservatives and republicans have done nothing but SPEND, SPEND, SPEND for almost 30 years. The vast majority of the debt incurred by this country happened under Reagan, Bush and W.
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Next time, try knowing the facts before you blather on and on about “acting like Dems.”

Yes, putting the wars on budget is part of it… and as we see FPA and RR’s commentaries confirm mactfg’s statement that “Karl Rove’s life is a celebration of inattention. He can type whatever he wants, secure in the knowledge that his target audience is utterly uninterested…” in the facts of these matters or in owning up to the costly mess left to clean up.

And, speaking of wars and finances, isn’t it about time that the hawks put their monies where their mouths are and pony up with a war tax on their benefactors in oil, banks, insurance cartels, and the other upstanding members of the CofC!

“It seems the only war liberals like is against the values and institutions of this country.”
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Unlike conservatives, who authorized warrantless wiretapping of American citizens and indefinite detention; who are afraid of the rule of law for terrorist thugs who’ve already confessed their guilt; who advanced a theory of the “unitary executive” that was nothing short of monarchy; who saddled the nation with debt and incompetence; etc. etc.
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Listen, if you conservatives hate American values so much, you’re welcome to leave anytime. Go to Somalia or some place where the mean old government doesn’t do anything and free-market capitalism rules. Say hi to the pirates for us.

Well gee freeper, during the Reagan years, the Dems controlled the house for 8 years and the Repubs controlled the Senate for 6 years. By your reasoning, all of the debt must have been created during the two years in which the Dems controlled Congress, huh?

FYI, Reagan asked for and received more funding virtually every year than was in the budget sent to him by Congress but don’t let facts get in the way of your ideology.

For more on the Reagan debt, see here:
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http://zfacts.com/p/57.html
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and here:
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http://zfacts.com/p/869.html

Apologies to Paul Dirks for the misattribution of his quote to mactheflrguy. Though agree with mac too, Rove may be a bore, but he and his ilk won’t just fade right. They’ll need similar fall from grace experienced by the other demagogues.

Your entire commentary is rife with falsehoods. Just a small sampling:
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“Obama and Bush both agreed to let Lehman Brothers crash which set the world economy off the cliff.
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Really? This was in September, long before the election and there was no input from Obama on this matter. This was strictly a decision of W’s boys: Bernake, Greenspan, et. al.
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“The fed and treasury couldn’t get the power to save lehman brothers in case of a collapse because the dem congress in the months before were refusing to give them the power.”
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More complete and utter BS.
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“Our grandchildren will be have the u.s credit ratings slashed and their children will be defaulting on our debt and they will look back at this era in disgust.”
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By this, you must certainly mean the era that started with Reagan in 1980 where he went on an historic spending binge running up tremendous budget deficits for the first time ever that were not in a time of war. This fine practice was continued by Bush and was expanded tremendously by W. Though it is way too early to tell, Obama has followed that precedent over his first year in office. We shall see if it is an anomaly or a pattern over the next 3-7 years.
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“All they care about is short term gain for mid term elections instead of solving problems that is why the stimulus is all for two years right up until the midterms.”
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By this, I can only assume that you are again talking about the Repubs. The party of NO has only taken action to advance their political goals for quite some time. I believe JK covered that when talking about Rove.
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You many want to open one of those “history books” that you speak of for you may actually learn something.

No, apr2563, “buck Ofama” is not racist. Just like “buck Fush” is not racist. Oh and as you were mocking libralsuck’s screen name you misspelled it, twice. Telling other people to grow up is fine, but your admonition towards subtlety needs to start at home. Your argument against his used trite accusations used by the left. Discussion is a good thing. Rock’em Sock’em Robots is a waste of time.

Joe. It boarders on the ridicules that 98% of your articles either support Obama’s policies, regardless of how bad they are, or are putting down anyone who disagrees with Obama’s policies.
Are you really an extension of the democratic party? Have you ever tried to give truthful unbiased information so that American citizens can make informed decisions about our government’s policies or are you just one of those L-P who believe that most of our citizens really aren’t smart enough to make decisions on their own.

I find it simply amazing that when 90% of all major Newspapers are controlled by Liberals that the left have such a problem with the WSJ. I guess that if a Newspaper doesn’t fully support the L-P agenda the left doesn’t think they should exist.
In reality the WSJ articles are substantially more balanced than the 90% that are strongly biased towards the L-P agenda.

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The trolls be spawning.

square1
November 27, 2009
at 11:51 pm

square1, you be right.

Tit for tat over who did can be juvenile, I fully admit, but it’s also relevant to policy. It’s hardly fair to hold Obama accountable for failures that were clearly not his fault, just as it would be unfair to hold Bush accountable for issues he had no control over. Besides, freeper made some particularly ignorant posts a day or two ago, and I feel like staying on his case till he admits he’s wrong or shuts up. That, and I enjoy mocking stupidity.

I don’t know which is more amusing. Your insistence that ACORN helped “steal an election” without proof (they registered a fraction of Obama’s margin over McCain) or your inability to spell out “two” without typo.

carpevis

What is it about the mention of Bush that makes liberals drool and their head explode and rant even dumber things than usual?

I took Joe to task for chastising Rove over not mentioning the bank bailout adding to the deficit but made no mention of how that same bank bailout brought stability to the markets, something Obama takes credit for but disowns the deficit of it. More typical liberal delusion and lying.

“The housing marked collapsed on Bush’s watch. The banking system collapsed on Bush’s watch. We went into the worst recession since 1929 on Bush’s watch. The security of the US government was proven utterly inadequate on Bush’s watch. More civil liberties were revoked since WWII on Bush’s watch. The global prestige and reputation of the United States went through the biggest decline in history on Bush’s watch.”

The above paragraph shows you do not possess even a 5th grade economics intelligence. Much of the laws passed that eased mortgage underwriting occurred under Clinton at the insistence of Barney Frank. The easing policies were put in by Greenspan appointed by Clinton. When the Bush questioned the financial strength of Fannie Mae, Barney Frank lisped his indignation. Raines and Gorelick, 2 of Clinton actors were the CEO and Board member who collected hundreds of million of bonuses that cooked the books leading the a collapse of the parts of the housing market

And the respect and likability of the world is nothing but the world laughing at how powerless and clueless the First Tourist is. And isn’t it amazing that all the talk about how Bush took away rights with wiretapping et al they are moronically silent now as Obama has chnaged little of what the Bush administration has done.

Maybe when your head stops spinning at the mere mention of Bush you would actually read something to give you a clue or maybe have somebosy read it to you.

The left has a problem with anyone or anything that calls them on their nonsense. They scream lies when the true liar is themselves.

diecash1

Maybe you need the new Meme and not the liberal talking points. Check who controlled Congress for the 40 years before Clinton. Hint: It wasn’t the Repubs and the deficits followed. Clinton saw the light of fiscal conservatism when he tried the same nonsense with HC as Obama and Repubs won Congress and GUESS WHAT? Budget surplus!

So yes under Bush the Repbs acted like Demos. I know reality is not something the left likes to deal with but try.

nedlum

“I don’t know which is more amusing. Your insistence that ACORN helped “steal an election”"

I know the idiotic insistence of the left that ACORN is innocent babes who just try to help poor people

Indictments are coming in a large portion of all states. It will be interesting to see how high up the ladder to the Chief Community Organizer?

diecash1

No the only cuts Dems wanted is Defense– just like now.

Remember how they tried to accuse Reagan of trying to starve the children and the poor who were caught driving new Cadillac while collecting welfare? Tip O’Neal just wanted to deliver the pork at any cost.

“Have you read the Isreali Press that calls Obama the WORST PRES.?
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Prove it”

What are you 5?

No the American people arejust tired of the same lying weasely leftist crap. Sucks not to be the only voice doesn’t it?

And if there is a god moronic leftists won’t

Piano: You are right I misspelled Mr. Suck’s name twice. Now however you want to dicount the use of “buck”, whether subtlety used or not, in relation to a black man is racist.
I don’t know how you define discussion, but the hyperbole and generalization Obama’s remarks concerning the US and about the Israeli press was not discussion.
Of course, there is the always subtle “socialist” accusation. What no “facist”?

“….the poor who were caught driving new Cadillac while collecting welfare?”
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Nice falsehood you’re still clinging to there. Give it a rest. You show me one example of a person on welfare driving a Cadillac and I’ll raise you one family farm that was put out of business by the estate tax. Just another pile of “conservative” BS………

I note that you don’t address the spendthrift ways of the last several Repub presidents that I pointed out earlier. I give it to you; you’ve learned the lessons of W and his kind well, you just keep ignoring facts and following your delusions.

You two should find a nice rest stop where you can practice your Larry Craig(R) “wide stance.” After you get that out of the way, it would really behoove both of you to acquaint yourselves with the facts.
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Where exactly do you come up with your bogus 90% figure? Provide some substantiation for that if you can, though I know you can not.
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In case you have not figured it out yet, the WSJ editorial page is an utter rag of “conservative” talking points. They’re not exactly known for “fact-based” journalism.

Last I checked, you were siding with W and the rest of the party of NO. Looks like you’re the moron here………

“I know the idiotic insistence of the left that ACORN s innocent babes who just try to help poor people”

This is not a sentence. Also: I’m not insisting anything, besides the fact that implying ACORN won Obama the election is a categorically rediculous position. ACORN registered at most a million voters. Even if all those registrations were fraudulent (which only a lunatic would hold), Obama won by nine.

“Indictments are coming in a large portion of all states.”

How good for you. It allows you to claim that the entire organization is corrupt, and then fall back to the idea that this will be proven in the future.

“It will be interesting to see how high up the ladder to the Chief Community Organizer?”

This is not a sentence. Also: what are you trying to say, exactly? That Barack Obama somehow conspired to defraud the American people through an organization with a paltry $25 million budget?

I’d like you to stop beating around the bush and say exactly what you think ACORN has done, and what proof you have for it. Because at the moment, all that’s been proven is:

1. ACORN employees turned in fraudulent registration forms, which ACORN turned over to the government (as it is legally required to do), flagging them as suspect.

2. A pair of conservative activists punked ACORN bureaus, which in several cases called the cops on them, but didn’t take them seriously enough in person to avoid some bad PR moments. This lead the federal government to make them ineligible, even though (say) Xe remains eligible despite far more problematic behavior.

I’m fine with ACORN being asked to get it’s house in order. But you’re making them sound like the Illuminati here, and that’s the kind of thing that needs more support than blind assertion.

nedlum

“rediculous” is that communist for clueless?
“Xe” is this lefty code for thieving organizations.

Maybe before you start giving English lessons you should start with your own posts. Then again, liberals always like to lecture but pay no attention to their own hypocrisy.

Amazing the back flips and the contortions that the left will go when one of their foot soldiers gets caught. Check back hear a few stories back when Karen T. and the rest of the leftist cabal here found Gov Sanford guilty over charges.

I don’t recall seeing your equal outrage.

Fraud, theft, voter fraud, hindering federal investigation, and many more will all be proven in time with no help with the Attorney General who is sworn to uphold the laws of the land.They are supposedly being investigated by the state of California and days after Moonbeam Jerry spoke with them they were dumping documents. Yes scream its only accusations. It all stinks and pinhead apologists like you are the reason that taxpayers get fleeced by organizations like ACORN time and time again.

Actually that would be the party of Bambi and bankruptcy (morally and financially)

diecashi.
Your so far to the left that you think normal moderate people and organizations are radicals. Fortunately you are part of that small liberal-progressive part of our political system that is noisy but not very important. You won’t last past 2010.

Nice rationalization but, again, where is the evidence? You spout BS about the so-called “liberal” media but like all those of your political stripe, you provide no evidence.
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Typical.
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Keep telling yourself that it’s only a SMALL part of America. With the ideological purity test that the Repubs want to utilize, your side is destined to marginalize themselves from 20% today down to <10% very soon. I look forward to the carnage.

diecash1

“You two should find a nice rest stop where you can practice your Larry Craig(R) “wide stance.”

I love you begin a response like this which is a typical liberal tact. Then you demand fact and then you provide none.

You are mentally exhausted and morally bankrupt

diecash1

I was referring to Barney Frank who has been on the public dole since 1968. I may have gotten his car incorrect.

He seems like a pink Cadillac guy

Why should any American give a d*mn what the Israeli press states? And, to be accurate, the Israeli press’ denunciation of Obama has nothing to do with domestic policies and everything to do with Obama’s fickle opposition to illegal settlements, a stance that he is backing down from as Israeli appeasement begins to take hold. This is how schizophrenic Israel is. They lambaste a President who is caving to their every desire merely on the grounds that at one point he very weakly argued for a settlement freeze. They did the same to Bush I when he much more determinedly advocated for a cessation of US aid to Israel prior to the Madrid Conference. AIPAC sunk their teeth into Congress on that one and the result was a near unanimous Senatorial letter to Bush threatening his executive stability were he to go through with his threat. Israel’s only concern is Israel. If you care what they say in regard to US policy, or US politicians, you’re a traitorous proxy for Israeli immorality.

apr2563~
You’re a classic example of what is wrong with America. Naturally, Obama is a black man, therefore, any attempts to poke fun at him, criticize him, or malign him must be racially tinged? Please….
“F*ck Obama,” switch the F and the B and you get “Buck Ofama.” “F*ck Bush,” switch the F and B and you get “Buck Fush.” Or, maybe you missed those shirts during the last presidency? It’s simply a reversal of the same juvenile slogan used against Bush. I’m not sure where this “Buck” reference has any racist connotations, however, even if it does in fact have some racial history, it’s not stemming from that, but from the “Buck Fush” references. Relax, apr, and stop searching for something that does not exist.

Exiled:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Buck
Learn racial history.
I have been long aware of Buck Fush. I find it juvenile and disrespectful but not racist.
President Obama has been disparaged as an illegitimate President, been caractured in racist cartoons, compared to a witch doctor, his wife has been demeaned on right wing sites, and had more death threats than any other President.
I don’t think it is pc to be aware of how distructive words can be.
You exaggerate and excuse intoleration by stating all criticism of President Obama is labeled as racist. I have plenty of complaints of my own, but would never use epithets to emphasize my concerns.

LYING ABOUT ‘CLINTON SURPLUS’

Mr. Klein, you and your STEAL-O-CRAT pals always forget that SLICK WILLIE and Newt increased public debt 34% BEFORE that miracle “surplus.”

With higher taxes. And the Reagan/Bush tax cuts. And the Internet.

Your total inability to tell the truth will require constant correction. Get used to it, Mr. B.S.

Mr. Klein,

What amazes me is that Rove remains relevant to date! Why would his analysis of anything “Obama related” ,which has almost always been flawed, become a WSJ Editorial?

Rove is simply a man who did whatever had to be done under the Bush Administration, no matter how many heads rolled in the process.

Rove is unreservedly and rabidly partisan, so lacks any iota of objectivity. This “quality” alone should render him irrelevant!

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/pedophiles-predators-stalkers-child-molesters-use-technology-to-destroy-lives/

apr~
While I don’t mean to belittle “racial history,” I could not care less about some slogan used 140 years ago. I’m unfamiliar with it, other than your link to reconstruction era usage, and I am sure very few others are familiar with it. The usage here today was simply applying the “Buck Fush” slogan to Obama. I wholeheartedly doubt there was any racial implication whatsoever. To suggest that such an innocuous term was intentionally drawing on reconstruction era sentiments is simply unfair and misguided.

freeinpa & rusty
You two give me a reason to read these L-P website postings. You are both intelligent rational people blended in with some of the craziest L-P loons I have ever witnessed. They don’t have a clue as to what is really happening in our country or the world.
Keep up the good work even though it’s a little like talking to trees.

3xfire3

Appreciate your comments. Even though its like talking to the walls, conservatives can no longer just sit silently and let the looney left cloud the ariwaves with thier rantings