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Rule of Thumb

Any rumor about Democrats started by Bill Kristol should been as disinformation or sabotage. The  two-month-old Hillary Clinton running for governor rumor was his, spread by his blogging Iago. She dismissed it yet again on This Week yesterday…but it works to Republican advantage–mildly, at most–to make it seem as if there is vast discontent in the Obama Administration.

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  • palininatowel

    I love Kristol because one knows that whatever he suggests, the opposite is almost certainly true. He’s some kind of Reverse Oracle™.

  • bitterpill8

    Kristol and Goldfarb? Need I say more? Why give these dopes the time of day, Joe?

  • pafro

    Hey didn’t he uses to work for Time? And didn’t he get the Time job long after his penchant for lies and deception we already widely known (cf. the Saddam/al Qaeda connection)? Thank heavens you fired him for being a dishonest hack.
    And good thing the rest of our news institutions aren’t corrupt, or Kristol might parlay his gig at Time into jobs at the New York Times and Washington Post! If that happened I just might start thinking that the nation’s news organizations were corrupt.

  • grape_crush

    Actually, the rule of thumb about listening to Bill Kristol say anything is that you’re probably better off believing the exact opposite of whatever it is he’s blathering on about.

  • grape_crush

    lol…great minds, and all that….

  • palininatowel

    If he says he is “bullish” on a stock, short it.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:

    …it works to Republican advantage…

    How does it work, again?
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    How would rightists spreading misinformation work to GOP advantage, if the political press corps is diligently informing Americans as to the truth or falsity of politically-motivated claims?

    …to make it seem as if there is vast discontent…

    To whom would it seem this way, Joe Klein?
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    Surely you can’t mean our savvy political press corps…?

  • palininatowel

    Surely you can’t mean our savvy political press corps…?
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    David Gregory.

  • square1

    Let Kristol blabber on for all I care.

    I don’t for a moment believe that Hillary Clinton wants to spend her days in Albany. Remember, Hillary is no native New Yorker who dreamed of being New York’s Governor growing up.

    Being stuck in a third-rate municipality, arm-twisting the crooked local pols of NY? She might as well go back to Little Rock.

    But, even if true, who would care? Hillary leaving the Obama administration would hardly signal “turmoil”. Remember, in most administrations not headed by G. W. Bush, there is actually turnover in the cabinet during the administration.

    It looks like Kristol is just going through the motions at this point. Making up nonsense just to observe it propagate.

  • deconstructiva

    …how about Mika Brzezinski?

  • square1

    I said I wasn’t blaming Klein for being the messenger of this nonsense, and I don’t. But I can’t help remembering how quick Klein was to dismiss Van Jones as a beyond-the-pale political-fringe actor simply for having expressed sympathy, at one time in his past, for communism and black nationalism.

    And yet no amount of lying, propagandizing or association with a dangerous and discredited political ideology (neoconservatism) thoroughly discredits Kristol and his ilk.

    Funny how that works.

  • palininatowel

    square, it’s the miracle of capitalism, especially as it relates to pundits. Thomas Friedman who was egregiously wrong about Iraq is still viewed as a “Middle East expert.” Peter Beinart, another clueless pseudo-intellectual pundit who cheerleaded the invasion of Iraq and who attacked those who knew the Cheney administration was operating a lie-filled PR campaign to start a senseless war, also “fell up” to a better position.
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    I don’t know what it is about punditry that allows the thick-skulled and consistently-wrong to be rewarded.
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    Of course, watching the same banking geniuses who tanked the economy take home millions in bonuses may be worse yet…

  • freeinpa

    Because without someone to feel superior to, JK just like 99.9% of the other liberal journalists turn out to be nothing but political hacks.

    Check out JK votes on the Tingle Meter and see the next time he comes close to being right. We may have health care, crap and trade and have the country ridden straight in to a 3rd world economy before that happens. Oops that is happening. Good news JK you may be right soon.

  • freeinpa

    savvy political press corps- is an oxymoron. And in many cases just moron.

  • Matt

    It is beyond laughable to think Hillary would ever put up with the job of governor.

    This was a silly rumor spread only to create the illusion of dissension within the Obama administration and hurt the president.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • rdw56

    When was neoconservatism discredited? Gallup recently printed a poll showing 40% of Americans are conservative and only 21% liberal.

    You are writing to Joe Klein on his Time blog when Joe has been wrong on just about everything the last decade. So was Thomas L and so has been just about every MSM pundit. I am not a big fan of Kristol but he’s been right on Israel, Afghaistan, Iraq, Iran and Russia.

    Many of the recent party polls have been positive for the GOP and it’s not the moderate wing.

  • freeinpa

    Hillary as with many of the narcissistic boomer politician crowd is incapable of being out of the spotlight. Where can she go to remain in that spotlight?

    Will she remain Secretary of State for 8 years, assuming that Obama can repeat? Will she challenge him in 2012? If he does a double, and Biden is replaced as VP in the second term (or if he stays) the VP will be the favorite in 2016. It is not in Hillary’s character to play second fiddle. To become a Senator she would have to challenge a sitting Demo, not likely.

    Whether Albany is a second rate city is irrelevant as it will give Hillary a platform for several years.

    Bill Kristol may not be a crazy as JK certainly is!

  • palininatowel

    rdw56, really?
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    “I am not a big fan of Kristol but he’s been right on Israel, Afghaistan, Iraq, Iran and Russia.”
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    Right on Iraq? In what way? Right on Aghanistan? In what way? Right on Israel? In what way?
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    Kristol is, was, and always will be clueless on foreign policy. He and his fellow fanatics (Hi, Dick!) in the neoconservative movement drove the country over a cliff and we’re still unsure about being able to recover from their reckless misadventures.

  • kathy

    Lest we forget, Kristol talked up Sarah Palin as VP long before anyone else had even heard of her – so sad is it may seem, some people listen to him. And yes, it’s another one of Kristol’s fantasy rumors, designed to create the reality he imagines. For just the reasons Joe suggests.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “ilusion of dissension” what a hoot! The dems are in utter chaos and have accomplished zilch. They can’t even agree on what time to take lunch.

    Hillary and B.O despise each other, no secret there, she wouldn’t pi$$ on him if he were on fire and vicey versy.

  • bitterpill8

    Freeper in full troll mode: good sideshow.

  • freeinpa

    bitterpill8

    Love the liberal “intelligence” Name call, deride and attack. Beats thinking doesn’t it. But then you already know that!

  • rdw56

    Well starting with the most recent in Iraq, the surge was very successful. Joe and Thomas L were not just wrong they were humiliated. Joe has been cheerleading Obama on his braindead ‘No Settlement’ stance. That was idiotic. Kristol got it right. Joe sided with Obama on his equally moronic Honduras stance. Bill pointed out that, “once you see you are agreeing with Chavez and Castro don’t you know immediately you are wrong?” It took a month but Obama reverse policy. Bill also supported Dick Cheney in describing Obama as ‘dithering’ . What term has been most used to describe Obama on Afghanistan? That’s correct, Dithering. Bill was also correct on Russia. Obama caved on missle defense and was humiliated by Russia. He stabed Eastern Europe in the back and has nothing to show for it. Bill was right on Iran where Obama is still trying to engage and still being mocked by the Iranians.

    How’s that deadline doing?

    Bill was also right on cap and trade and global warming. Obama isn’t doing to go to Copenhagen because he has absolutely nothing to show them in terms of legislation.

    Lastly Bill was also correct on the stimulus package. He said it would not stimulate anything but the deficit and it hasn’t. Ok he wasn’t entirely correct. John Murtha, Charlie Rangel and a few dozen other theives were stimulated.

  • rdw56

    The reason it’s plausible is Obama is doing such a bad job and had lost independents and moderates. It’s too early for Clinton to think about it but Teddy K, with the horrible legacy of murder, took on Jimmy Carter.

    No one is thinking Hillary wants to be governor.

  • pafro

    In a related note, Fred Malek, who was the guy who counted Jews for Nixon in the State Department is on my TV opining about politics. It appears he is now some sort of spokesman for Palin. Good fit.
    Do you think anyone would be so uncouth as to bring up the guy’s dishonorable past so that we may judge his current words?
    Absolutely no crime of ethics or morality is enough to get you kicked off Villager Island (unless you are a Democrat who has sex).

  • bitterpill8

    Tweety was SOooooo pleased to have Uncle Fred on his program that he was in slack cutting mode. Malek “during the Nixon period” is now in that special place called the Republican Sinkhole. The Village does not do recall very well. Exception to all rules: when it comes to Bill??????

  • abdullah69

    No disrespect wd40, but you may want to visit some websites with more text and fewer pictures.

  • pafro

    KT was on right after that. Since there wasn’t any disclosure of what a loser Malek is, viewers are led to believe that Malek is just as legitimate source of information as KT. So sad. So corrupt.

  • rdw56

    So how did you feel about Obama reversing his no settlements policy? He comes in full of vim and vigor without a clue and announces NO SETTLEMENTS. Was it two weeks ago he announced NEVERMIND. BiBi gets Hillary to praise Israel at a joint press conference in national TV in Israel that their offer to defer settlements in East Jerusalem is unprecidented. That’s not walking backwords. That’s running backwords and without shame,

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