OutFoxed?

If the problem is that stories bloated far beyond their actual importance–ACORN’s corruption, Van Jones’s radical past–are in danger of leaching out of the Fox hothouse into the general media, then perhaps the Administration should be a bit more diligent about whom it hires and whom it funds.

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As I recall, Joe, you’ve been smeared repeatedly by the extreme right as, among other vile things, an anti-semite. Is the lesson here that TIME should be a bit more diligent about whom it hires?

Fox declared war on the WH Joe. The first shots were fired on Jan 20, 2009 and the problem as I think the WH sees it is not Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, its the fact that the antics of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity bleed into Fox’s straight news so one can’t separate what is really opinion and what is not.
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Joe, I disagree. Two words: Swift Boat. Read this and watch both videos, please.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/democrats-should-stay-off_b_331183.html

The problem with war is that it diverts attention from the actual news.
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Whose attention? Not the administration’s; Pres. Obama said, after being pressed in questioning, that he isn’t losing any sleep over it. Sure, maybe the media will pay a lot of attention to this. But that’s because the media is terrible at reporting the news. If it weren’t this, it’d be balloon boy II, or some Jackson family member interview, or Jon & Kate. So what?
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All the administration did was what’s said in that link: “We simply decided to stop abiding by the fiction, which is aided and abetted by the mainstream press, that Fox is a traditional news organization,” said deputy White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer. What’s so bad about that? Fox isn’t news. WWF isn’t sports. No one thinks either should be banned.
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As has been pointed out, there was much less media fulmination over much more important anti-media actions by the Bush administration.
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That is because the media treats Glenn Greenwald as someone to put down in occasional blog posts, while considering Glenn Beck their assignment editor (see, e.g., Jay Newton Small’s latest offering).

The ACORN scandal is a lie? Van Jones is not a radical commie? I think the anger at Fox News(THE most watch news network in America) stems from fear, plain and simple. Truth just naturally has that certain ring to it, and that has the WH very afraid.

Oh, btw, “sedition” is a pretty creepy word… “disinformation,” for sure, but sedition?

Answer #1: Hyperbolic at best, a lie at worst.
A#2: You apparently are a mouse to Blech’s Pied Piper.

Opinion disguised as truth isn’t truth, 2/3. Opinion is opinion. Reporting the news per se doesn’t generate huge ratings if that’s all Fox did. It’s illustrated talk radio!

I’m with Elvis. This is a brief, well warranted flurry of setting the record straight and knocking an antagonist’s credibility. It may be useful to alert a modest part of the country to the incessant fraudulence of “Fox News,” and it’s not like it consumes a significant portion of the administration’s efforts. A few open minds will be alerted, no preconceived attitudes are likely to be changed, and Faux is on notice that it can’t expect to operate forever beneath the fray.

Joe, you can’t say credibly this is just a distraction while you and your colleagues keep focused on it beyond all justification. Your Drudginess is showing, even as you offer your “leave it alone” analysis.

Sedition? Too far, I think. Let them have their wingnut monologues.

Huh, JK’s 1234th post….

The reason Faux is “THE most watch [sic] news network in America” is this: there is a significant benighted minority unwilling to let honest reporting interfere with their prejudices. ‘Twas ever thus, and Faux is their current refuge from the truth.

I’m glad Faux is on the air – it tells me a lot about the people who watch it. I always say let the Klan march down Main Street, in the daylight sans masks, so we can see who they are.

Leftist loon Joe Klein should stick to fabricating loony (at least to the thinking, pro-America community) lies that “Donald Rumsfeld” declared (according to leftist fabulist Joe Klein) that Lt. General “David McKiernan” would never take another command because according to Klein’s comically false, debunked and discredited allegation that “McKiernan” fell asleep in “Rumsfeld’s” presence.

BTW, Lt. General McKiernan was promoted to General and given command of U.S. Army Europe. When did that promotion and change of command take place? Answer: While “Donald Rumsfeld” was Secretary of Defense.

“The problem with war is that it diverts attention from the actual news.”
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That’s correct but the problem is Ailes and Murdoch setting the news agenda for your industry not Obama pointing out that that agenda is not the actual news. Here, let someone who actually understands the relationship between politics and the corporate media explain it to you:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/respecting-bing-by-digby-so-all.html

Rupert and Roger are making a move to dominate the media agenda and they aren’t afraid to use muscle to do it. They are enemies, there’s simply no doubt about it. Roger Ailes is a Republican political operative, fergawdsake, who also happens to be a television genius and Rupert Murdoch is a conservative billionaire who seeks to dominate the media of the entire planet. If you don’t take them seriously, you are a fool — and all the Democrats and the political establishment had better wake up to what they are dealing with.

Just to further the point about how terrible the media is at reporting the news:

72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly. But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma.

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So, the MSM is terrible at reporting the news because it is too lazy and intimidated to fact check, while the right-wing paramedia is terrible at reporting the news because an ill-informed populace serves their interests.
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It’s not just that Fox is cursed with morons as viewers, who wind up misinformed despite its best efforts– it intentionally slants the news to comply with the interests of the Party:
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http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/30/fox_thememo.html
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http://mediamatters.org/research/200407140002

You’re right, Joe; there’s no profit in this action.

Calling someone a liar = declaring war.

What will you call it if someone sues Fox for libel? bombing them back to the Stone Age?

There’s that fear again. Better get Soros on the phone.

Joe, if you can’t see the need for this action, if you can’t see how Faux narratives spread throughout the msm (both the Timers and the Post recently saying they needed to pay more attention to RW “stories”), then perhaps you need to choose another profession – one that doesn’t require connecting more than two dots.

The WH has simply said that Faux isn’t a real news organization. You said as much above.

So what is the problem?

And Faux is now on the defensive, needing to constantly say: “we are too a news organization, yes we are. Waaaaaahh!”

You might read Steve Benen’s take on this for a coherent discussion of the problem: WHAT’S THE ALTERNATIVE?….

And you might ask yourself why your profession has so much difficulty calling out members who fail so badly – or do you think, like Tapper, they are a “sister organization?”

“Declaring war”? Lighten up, you drama queen.
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They’ve merely said what everyone — including you — knows. Fox News is not impartial, but is an advocate for the Republican Party.
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This isn’t remotely close to Nixon’s enemies list, where journalists were singled out for IRS audits and worse. It’s not even close to the very public shots that the Bush administration took against Newsweek, MSNBC, NBC, and various newspapers.
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All the White House did was say what everyone knows, and you cowards in the media get the vapors. Sweet Jesus, Joe, sack up.

When the people fear the government, it’s called tyranny. When the government fears the people, it’s called liberty. Go Fox Go!

I find it interesting that so many so called journalists take umbrage over the fact that the WH has outed Fox News as the media arm of the GOP. Its a shame that those so called journalistics don’t hold their bretheren, or themselves, to any sort of journalistic standard and the doctrine of falso equivalence rules the day. One wonders why the WH finds it necessary to step into the breech when so called journalists won’t.
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I know its frustrating that the WH is so adept, when it wants to be, at avoiding the filter.
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Perhaps those so called journalists should start doing their jobs … so the WH doesn’t have to.

Gotta disagree Joe.

Besides the relentless personal slanders, survey after survey shows Fox’s viewers to be consistently and monumentally misinformed about urgent and important issues of both domestic and foreign policy.

For instance, Fox viewers believe:

– We found WMD in Iraq
– Saddam was in cahoots w/ bin Laden
– Climate change is a hoax & needn’t be addressed
– Various hard working gov’t officials (“Czars”) are some kind of commie plot or illegal power grab
– Health care = death panels
– Wall Street is just fine w/o any regulations
– etc etc etc

An informed electorate is crucial to democracy, and Fox is a 24/7 font of disinformation. BHO can’t pull the plug on Fox, but there’s no reason he should legitimize it or treat it like an actual journalistic enterprise. It exists to pump out whatever bilge Rupert Murdoch thinks will make him a buck on any given day, and the more people who understand that the better this country will be.

I don’t know why yall are wasting key strokes on Joke Line. He is a member in good standing of the Village and therefore he HAS to say the White House is getting it wrong even though he himself has quoted FoxNews erroneously about the same Van Jones who is still smearing to this day. Joke Line thinks the winds are blowing in FoxNews’ favor today so he will go with them. A month or so down the line when the real media stops following FoxNews’ lead Joke Line will come back and say it was a brilliant move. Just like he always does.
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But for now no matter how many videos you show him or good points you make Joke Line will continue to follow the Villager script in calling this a bad move for the White House that diminishes Pres Obama. It is what it is.

A few points:
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1. Joe, when you and your colleagues stop taking your queues from FoxNews and Drudge, then maybe we can just sit back, laugh at them, and ignore them. As long as your professions chases non-stories started by these partisan outlets, I’m all for the WH pointing out the obvious.
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1a. Related – Now that FoxNews has been called out by none other than the WH, you folks will probably think twice before joining one of the many Beck/Drudge non-issue wild goose chases.
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2. This isn’t really about FoxNews…it’s about tying the Republican Party to FoxNews, just like they did with Limbaugh. Something must be working right…for all the talk of the death of the Dem majority and the GOP resurgence, Republican approval levels are at their lowest level in modern history. (with Dems still poll at or above 50%)
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3. Had the WH not pointed out the obvious, would Joe Klein have ever written, “Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue”? (sedition is certainly a stretch but the rest is spot on)
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4. The WH probably spent about a total of 5 collective hours on this FoxNews strategy. They’ve moved on, except for the 30 or seconds Gibbs has to spend everyday responding to Tapper’s “how dare you” questions. Journalists are still ranting and raving about it days later.
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5. Ignoring partisan outlets with big megaphones like FoxNews and Drudge is reason why so many people in this country continue to believe that Obama wasn’t born in the United States or why John Kerry went from being decorated war hero to cowardly, lying traitor in the eyes of many Americans.
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7. If FoxNews isn’t an arm of the GOP, why is the GOP taking such offense at the fact that the WH made this claim? (ditto their response to the WH’s similar statements re: Rush) Do you ever see the Democratic Party defending the bazillion charges of “liberal media” made by the wingnuts against every news organization that isn’t FoxNews? It’s almost as if the GOP is defending, well, their party’s media arm/communications shop.
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8. Dems and administration officials are still going to show up on FoxNews…I guarantee it. And when they do, folks will say, “Wow, they think that FoxNew isn’t a real news organization but their still giving them the time of day. That’s big of them…shows me they (the Dems/WH) aren’t afraid of big bad Rupert.”
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9. The best part of all of this is watching folks like Joe and Tapper hit the fainting couch – “How dare you insult FoxNews..I might work there someday!” (Tapper), “This is so beneath the presidency!” (Joe)
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10. It’s about effing time the Dems got a set of cojones and did this.

I fear most of the people. Is that liberty, too?

I disagree with you, Joe.

The bigger problem with Fox is that the rest of the MSM is afraid of them and will follow their lead without question. In the last 20 years or so reporters seem more interested in proving they are not liberal, as opposed to actually covering real news.

Just look at the different way Clinton and Bush Jr were treated. The MSM fell over backwards to always give the Bushies the benefit of the doubt. It wasn’t until Katrina that there started to be real serious discussion in the news about the failure of the Bush administration. If the Bush was the one with an old land deal and Clinton had a fuzzy National Guard record in Arkansas, how do you think the press would have handled those reverse sitations? I can tell you: they would have scoffed at any charge that Bush’s Whitewater deal was worthy of futher investigation and heeded the rightwing’s call to unearth what really happened when Clinton was a pilot in the National Guard.

If the rest of the media would ignore Fox and just cover the news the way they used to when anchors like Chronkite were in charge then I’d agree with you. But since Fox is now driving the story, Democrats have to defend themselves and point out the lies Fox tells and remind Americans again and again Fox is a dishonest media outlet.

I see Fox the same way the White House sees Fox… as a harmful entity that needs to be exposed for what they are, a network for the very wealthy to spread lies and intolerence all to put more money into the pockets of the richest Americans without caring about the damage it is doing to the rest of us. Murdoch and Fox have done more harm to this country than any terrorist. The White House knows what they need to do and what they are doing is very effective. I applaud them.

I fear the delusional nuttards who watch Fox.

I’d answer the question you pose in para #2, Joe, but since you’re advocating capitulation to FOX News in para #3, essentially letting Ailes run the White House again, I’m going to explain it to everyone else:

Because it’s got FOX off-message on HCR and looking like a bunch of whiny paranoiacs, screaming about “enemies lists.”

Besides, why shouldn’t the WH say what everyone knows?

Joe: it seems that the White House journalists (Tapper and Co) refused to attend a briefing if their Fox News counterpart was not invited. OTOH I have read that the Fox journalists in the White House corps are called upon to ask questions.

Why is it okay for the MSM to go after the WH and then go into “squeal mode” when they receive a punch in return.

It ought to be obvious to anyone that most of us don’t get our news from those self important asses in the WH Press Corp front row. (Helen Thomas excepted). And I don’t care about Fox News’ complaints because Murdoch and Ailes are not interested in “straight” news: their bottom line is the dollar.

We simply cannot have one rule for the Villagers and another for the ROU. Journalists don’t enjoy respect any longer. They have to work to earn it like every one else.

Ah Joe…GROW UP! ‘declared war on Fox’? REALLY??? and the punishment is??? C’mon. FOX lies and distorts Obama and the WH’s comments ALL the time…the WH points that out…and they’ve declared WAR??? Fox may have some journalists over there but that doesn’t make a NEWS NETWORK. Honest to Pete you guys (the MEDIA) just get into a big group HUG and spew how THEY are attacking you. No! They are trying to stop the LYING. Wanna have a POLICY discussion? OK, let’s TRY…

And FoxNews is “the people” how? It’s a partisan news organization owned by a very rich conservative (Murdoch) and run by a GOP operative. (Ailes) News flash…they care about ratings because it makes them money. They don’t care about you. They don’t care if the GOP remains out of power for the next 50 years. The longer your gang is out of power, the angrier you’ll be, and you’ll tune into FoxNews more and more as your emotional outlet. You’ll be putting money in Rupert and Roger’s pockets while your party sinks deeper and deeper into irrelevancy. That’s also what drives Rush. Sure, these folks are conservatives…but their loyalty is to themselves and their bank accounts, not the conservative movement and not the Republican Party. The stupidity of today’s GOP is evident in the fact that they continue to let themselves get used like this.
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I’m sure you’re about to tell me how FoxNews is, by far, the most popular cable news network. True…but the operative word here is “cable”. The large majority of Americans, if they watch news at all, get it from the big networks and local affiliates. In 3Q 09, FoxNews average 2.25M viewers in prime time. There are 300M people in this country. The large majority of folks in the US do NOT watch FoxNews.
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If television news is “the people” then the Republican Party has been running scared for years since they’ve been ranting and raving about “the liberal media” (ie – everybody but Fox) for over 40 years.

One of the most ironic things I’ve seen recently was the right-wing media response to the teabag protester who had a portion of his finger bitten off by a man he was arguing with. On some right wing broadcasts they were playing the victim card for all it was worth. “How dare that vile lefty bite the finger off of this fine, upstanding right-wing patriot?!” they would cry.

The irony came during the interviews with the teabagger. When asked what he was doing when he was so viciously bitten by the lefty, his reply was that he was busy punching the man in the face.

We’ve seen what happens when you don’t answer attacks. Swift-boating is effective because people assume that if you don’t answer a charge it’s because you can’t. We’ve also seen what happens when you shine a light on lies. The propagandists have had the ‘death panel’ lie blow up in their faces due to a vigorous response.

Fox will continue catering to the right-wing’s fringe, and will continue to enjoy a loyal viewership amongst that group. But it is becoming a pyrrhic victory for them, as the American public continues to flee the hard right in larger and larger numbers.

I think the White House is handling this one just right.

You are are the wrong side of this one Joe. You know very well what it is FOX does. You and your ilk need to have the courage to call them on it. That is unless you are afraid of losing your spot at the “journalist’s buffett”.

Just imagine: Joe K. The one who exposed FOX for what it really is. Do an expose Joe. Hit em’ hard Joe. Speak real truth to power. Demand an accounting. What fun…

There is one plain and simple truth being avoided in this discussion: the Government NEVER gets to decide who covers it or how they go about it, whether it is a credible news outlet or a partisan commentary machine. To attempt to banish one of the five major broadcast media outlets by asking the other four to join along is downright unconstitutional. When the other four decline, and even themselves (ABC News specifically) refer to Fox as “one of our sister organizations” while questioning an administration spokesperson, that’s all you need to know about how far out of bounds the White House is on this campaign.

They call that paranoia, guys. Time to switch the meds.

The problem with the Massively Overpaid Corporatist/Mainstream Media reporters (as opposed to the Fox Republican Propaganda Channel so-called reporters) is that they have become celebrities, and perpetuating their own wealth and celebrity has become — or perhaps always was — more important to them than real reporting.

If the Obama administration really wants to demonstrate the nature of the problem, as long as the White House Press Cabal continues to defend the Fox Propaganda Channel, the White House Press Office (and all the administration’s department press offices) should provide press credentials for other cable TV celebrities, at least three celebrities per interview opportunity, and make sure that the Fox Propaganda Channel’s so-called reporter is photographed in the presence of these other cable celebrities. There are so many to choose from! I’m thinking they should start with Alton Brown from the Food Channel, Richard Dunn from the Cartoon Network, and you want to see their heads explode? Kathy Griffin from Bravo!

Other superb candidates, with every bit as much credibility as Major Garrett, would include Joel McHale of E!’s “The Soup”, Dennis Gage of Speed TV’s “My Classic Car”, and R. Lee Ermy of the History Channel’s “Lock ‘n Load”. The possibilities are endless!

I don’t know, Joe. Looking at the numbers from two new polls — the WaPo/ABC Poll and the NBC/WSJ Poll (caution: pdf) shows voters self-identifying as “Republican” at 21% and 20%, respectively. among the lowest numbers in history.

What the administration seems to be doing is tying Republicans, in general, to the fringe that is Fox News (and it’s audience). Makes sense, because, as the polls point out, that hardcore number is down to 20%.

I think the administration and the Democrats (Allen Grayson, anyone?) have struck a chord with their depiction of the Republicans as the “The Party of NO,” particularly highlighting the fact that the GOP has NO plan for health care.

While I understand your point about this being a distraction, I think it plays into the larger narrative that the administration and Democrats are actually doing something — whether on health care, Afghanistan, or bank execs salaries — while the Republicans, as Allen Grayson would say, “got nuthin’.”

A good example is Cheney’s criticism of Obama on Afghanistan this week. The flip side of Cheney’s remarks are easy for the Dems and they’ve been making this point all week:

“We’re the people who are finally drafting a coherent strategy for Afghanistan, something your administration never did while you drummed up a phony war in Iraq that took our eyes off our real enemies.”

Cheney only likes to appear on Fox, so I think much of this effort makes sense in both the short and long runs.

Don’t forget that just three or four weeks ago, Republicans were crowing about their chances in midterms. Haven’t heard much from them the last couple of weeks, as poll after poll delivers the news: Americans are not happy with their politicians at present, but they’re really unhappy with “The Party of NO.”

Joe:

Your outrage would be more believable if you were discussing sources of reckless reporting and not just FOX news. Your outrage seems at best dishonest since you only attack what is determined by liberals to be a right wing news organization. No mention of the misinformation and out and out lies by CNN, MSNBC and NPR among others. In fact, there have been mis-statements in your own articles. Does that make you incompetent as well.?

The righteous indignation of the left is laughable. You pretend to take the high road with a false presumption of superior intelligence when in fact they spend most of the time slandering and trying to discredit anyone who disagrees.

The Messiah in trying to slander FOX news as not a news organization by pointing out 2 opinion shows. Is he misinformed, deliberately lying or clueless. And yet the MSM media keeps repeating the same blather. Oh and by the way Obama manages to give time 2 MSNBC clowns who come close to committing sedition. Yet you have no problem with that. Or if you do and have remained silent makes you quite the hypocrite and a pathethic journalist.

Owned by a very rich conservative, ogliberal? Is this the same Rupert Murdoch who endorsed B.O and predicted he would win the election? He owns the whole fox network, whose prime time lineup is anything but conservative. Not to mention several mainstream newspapers, and “batroom rags.

Not when you consider the fact that right wing terrorists have killed 11 people on American soil, 2/3rds.
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The last was two weeks ago.
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Now, it is fairly elementary when you consider that in the same span of time, Al Queda has oh-ferred!
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You can keep spouting rhetoric, 2/3rds of a nut, but the facts don’t seem to be cooperating with you…

Joe, if you’re going to start a paragraph with “Let me be precise,” you should try to BE PRECISE. What borders on sedition exactly? (And.. really? Didn’t we learn from the Bush era about the dangers of accusing people of treason for using their first amendment right to free speech?)

Fox puts some ridiculous non-stories on the air. They also do some good reporting. Their opinion shows get a lot of stuff wrong. But they are good at taking broad-based, imprecise statements like the ones you make, and using them to their benefit: look! the liberal media is calling us ‘seditious’ now! Critics need to actually take the time to point out specific statements on Fox shows to back up accusations.

Another reason why FOX exists is that like a waterhole in a drought stricken plain, it’s the only place where people like you can drink that particular flavor of Kool Aid.
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It really doesn’t take a lot to figure this out, 2/3rds…

Yeah I’d say Fox news is the people. Just look at the ratings. Start checking at 5:00 pm, You’ll find Glen Beck at his usual no.1 spot. Sure is a lot of us wingnut kooks out there I guess. That must account for your fear. Boo!

The MSM hasn’t the backbone to call Fox out on their distorted news reporting and wingnut craziness.

But Obama does. And what does the MSM do? Find a host of reasons for why this is a soooo bad thing to do.

Good for Obama. Hit them hard and often. Fox is an insult to anyone who cares about responsible reporting.

Fox needs Obama a heckuva lot more than he needs them.

Factchecking’s easy elvis. Anyone with a computer can do it, and you best believe MSMer’s are constantly checking. Including Joe Lib. Sucky part is they just don’t seem to find anything. A made up generalization here and there, nothing with any traction. Sad.

Uh, I hate to say it (Nah! Really! I don’t!), but 2/3rds, you’re dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill.
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When you troll the entire ocean for a rare fish, you’ll find yourself with one hell of a catch!
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On top of that, there is likely large overlaps of the different shows.
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In orther words, bozo, their viewership numbers don’t prove a damned thing…

Aww man, there’s that pesky fly again.

Dumber than urine, freepee…

You mean those facts, 2/3rds?
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Too bad they are so bothersome…

Doesn’t life truly suck for you? Too bad though, 2/3rds. I’d take up drinking, if I were you.
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If you haven’t already…

Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue.
I’m confused Joe, you forgot to tell us which of the “Much of it is flat out untrue.” Did you mean all the information about Van Jones? Was any of that untrue? How about the Acorn scandal? Was that untrue?
Maybe the problem lies with the “On The Fringe” media who are just too blind or too lazy to report anything but what Doctor Feelgood wants reported. The press was never meant to jump into bed with the same people they report about……Thank God for Fox NEWS. I like to get both sides of the story.

Remember when those Fox employees refused to read a Monsanto press release on air because they knew it contained lies and were fired?
And remember how Fox fought their wrongful termination lawsuit by successfully arguing that it wasn’t obligated to put out truthful “news” and could ask its journalists to lie as a course of business?

Joe….you can be so good sometimes, and yet you can be so awful and indicative of that damn Washington Media bubble.

I continue to find myself flabbergasted at the incestuous need for media outlets to leap to Fox’s defense when Fox consistently treats every other news outlet as literal enemies of the state.

In regards to your third paragraph: The issue is that no one is going to be clean enough to avoid the Fox scalpel. And so many of your colleagues were essentially echoing the Glenn Beck line without even looking into it.

Fourth Paragraph, two words: Swift Boating. Trying to rise above is nice, but unless the lies are engaged, turning the other cheek does nothing these days. Trying to speak past Fox is meaningless because, like noted above, too many of the media nitwits essentially act as a Fox echo chamber. NY Times and WaPo, two supposed ‘liberal papers of note’, explicitly had their Ombudsmen say they needed to follow the stories Glenn Beck and Drudge did, quite literally.

And as far as diverging from actual news…again….the mere allowance of Fox to color the news landscape already does this, as noted by the sheer amount of disinformation about most of the relevant issues are out there. Joe, Fox gleefully promoted, ran commercials, and had their commentators speak at the ridiculous Tea Party rallies. They literally had their paid, on-air talent decry the ‘encroaching fascism’ from Obama.

Fox’s place here has been systemic. They’ve been the one’s essentially declaring war, and compared to how Bush went after media outlets that crossed his administration, Obama’s administration been almost weakly judicious.

Sorry, but this whole hand wringing from the media echo chamber is just nonsense.

Careful free. I think 53_3 is lurking around here somewhere. Barely audible, but I think I heard him…..

IQ53

Once again IQ53 has proved that the high intellect front that liberals offer is just a myth.

Cliff: let here about the 4th grade arguments now.

I think 2/3rds is giving you great advice, considering neither of you are able to directly confront any of what I presented today.
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Or any other day, for that matter.
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BTW, 2/3rds, have you asked someone in the Black community yet about what is, and is not, racist?
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Never mind. I already know. You are still teabagging your “messiah”…

Au contraire . The MSM media has no standing to critique anyone about moral hazards and wing nuts

freetopeeupyournose:
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You consider yourself and 2/3rds “high intellect”?!?!?!
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Okaaaaaaaaayyyyy…

Remember when MSNBC, CNN and Media Matters slandered Rush and not a retraction in sight?

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Compared to you my shoes have higher intellect than you.

He’s got 400 Godzillion dollars.
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And he has access to lawyers.
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I’ll let you add those two facts up yourself.
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If you can…

Yeah ole B.O has a backbone alright, boy when he gets up in front of a hall full of lefties there’s just no stoppin’ ‘im. Boy he lets ole Fox have it, yessiree bob dixie!

That’ll win ya points freetopeeonyourownpantsleg.
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But just what does that have to do with the facts…

“1a. Related – Now that FoxNews has been called out by none other than the WH, you folks will probably think twice before joining one of the many Beck/Drudge non-issue wild goose chases.”

DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winnah!

Don’t cheer too loudly. Obama’s ratings has fallen faster than anyone at this stage of the Presidency in 50 years. All without a complicit press and the MSM providing cover for one in over his pay grade

B.O’s got godzillions too. It came out of our pockets.

Well there’s one thing I think we can all agree on from reading these posts. Fox has definately got ‘yall in a tizzy!

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“I think 2/3rds is giving you great advice, considering neither of you are able to directly confront any of what I presented today.
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Or any other day, for that matter.”

First you make the arrogant assumption that you have ANYTHING to say. Second you assume I care to read that blather. Debating you amounts to child abuse.

Go back to Mommy’s basement

No, you have it wrong, 2/3rds.
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Your rural subsidies come out of my pockets,
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I honestly think that we should take you up on smaller government. Really! Let’s just put an arfing stop to all this “income redistibution”! Hell yes!
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Lets just start with your highways, your health care subsidies, your power grid, your potable water, your irrigation, your telephone system, your agricultural technology, your….

2thirdsrock

You are arguing with an idiot. Your time would be better spent checking the return springs on your ball point pens then explaining anything to IQ53.

Hells bells, 2/3rds. Come to think of it, you’re right!
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Between the three of you, that is the only fact you’ve managed to dig up!
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Good for you…

I knew it was just a matter of time before you played that card 53. So predictable, and so becoming just background noise….

Explain, freetopeeinyourbrainpan?
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What “explanations”?
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So far, all you’ve posted between you three is nothing but rhetoric..

Freetopee, 2/3rds of a nut, textee:
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Don’t life just suck?
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See ya…

So true free. I don’t know what I was thinking.

Murdoch – well, the NY Post – begrudgingly endorsed Obama in the NY Dem primary…that’s it. (and that’s because they HATE Hillary) Rupert Murdoch did NOT endorse Obama to win the presidency. Only a complete fool would believe that. As for predicting that Obama would win…well, duh? That wasn’t exactly a risky prediction, was it?

Murdoch is not a very rich conservative? Ha, ha, ha!

And what say you re: Roger Ailes?

As for Fox’s complete viewing lineup…again, Rupert is all about the benjamins. He’s not going to cancel The Simpsons because the show made fun of Bush. And that’s why you’re delusional if you think FoxNews is speaking truth to power and looking out for poor, oppressed conservatives like you. They are using you (and the GOP) – deal with it.

And while I pre-empted your “Look at how many people watch” FoxNews by puttig their viewing numbers in relative perspective – ie, only a very small percentage of the populations watches FoxNews – you went ahead and cited cable news ratings anyway. Again, 300M people in this country. FoxNews’ average viewing audience in 3Q09 – 2.25M

And you’re calling people here paranoid? Hasn’t your side been complaining about the evil “liberal media” for decades? Doesn’t your side think that Obama has a secret plan to destroy our nation? Doesn’t your side think that the WH calling out FoxNews is the same as Nixon’s enemies list? Glenn Beck is a one big giant ball of paranoia. (not that he really believes half the stuff he says – he’s using you and laughing all the way to the bank) You’re calling people paranoid?

Facts and reality – things with which FoxNews viewers are completely unfamiliar.

Actually, it’s all you need to know about The Village and its collective preference for reach-arounds as opposed to informing the public. Tapper needs to decide whose side he’s on – the Boys on the Bus or the people.

One of my old J-school professors is fond of telling people he plays piano in a whorehouse so he won’t be associated with the current national “reporting” crew. Reporters standing up for Fox is like lawyers supporting a colleague caught bribing a juror, or a bunch of film directors urging clemency for a child molesting artiste.

“Paramedia.”

Briliant, E-Berg! Conveys the perfect blending of ersatz facts and militia logic.

Is it yours, or who gets the HT?

HELLO???? Is RUSH the President of the United States???? Slander RUSH? Are you completely insane? And while you’re being deliberately obtuse and reactionary, wasn’t it YOU GUYS that wouldn’t even let opposing voices come to the Presidents RALLIES??? You really need to back away from the keyboard and go to the LIBRARY.

freeinpa,
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Really?
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Here is the aggregate of Obama’s most recent poll numbers: 55.9% Favorable, 37.6% Unfavorable
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If, in fact, Obama’s numbers have “fallen faster than anyone at this stage of the Presidency in 50 years,” as you claim, it is only because they started so astronomically high to begin with.
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Just for the sake of comparison, here’s George W. Bush’s historical graph of approval ratings over the course of his presidency.
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Note that Obama’s aggregate high point, shortly after the election, was 72%. Bush’s high point, shortly after the election (prior to 9-11) had Bush’s aggregate high point at about 57%.
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So your claim about Obama’s numbers “falling faster…” is specious, at best.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/23/outfoxed/comment-page-2/?replytocom=104565#respond#ixzz0Un5VQSfb

freeinpa,
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Really?
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Here is the aggregate of Obama’s most recent poll numbers: 55.9% Favorable, 37.6% Unfavorable
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If, in fact, Obama’s numbers have “fallen faster than anyone at this stage of the Presidency in 50 years,” as you claim, it is only because they started so astronomically high to begin with.
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Just for the sake of comparison, here’s George W. Bush’s historical graph of approval ratings over the course of his presidency.
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Note that Obama’s aggregate high point, shortly after the election, was 72%. Bush’s high point, shortly after the election (prior to 9-11) had Bush’s aggregate high point at about 57%.
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So your claim about Obama’s numbers “falling faster…” is specious, at best.

Joe, the WH is doing what every executive editor in America (with the occasional exception of McClatchy) has been unwilling to do since 1992: Call a lie and lie, and call distortion distortion.

You simply ignore your own profession’s complete abdication of responsibility as you criticize the White House for deciding that it has to call its own fouls.

If you and your “sister news organizations” would do your jobs, the WH wouldn’t have to do it for you.

Nice touch about the sedition, BTW. Even as you criticize Fox, you delegitimate yourself.

Sheesh. What part of your team’s role in this disaster don’t you get?

Case in point, HT Atrios:

First this-

. White House Counsel Greg Craig. “It is simply false to suggest that any of these (or other similar) positions are newly created ‘czars’ that lack accountability to Congress,” Craig wrote in the letter obtained by TIME. “Under this definition, the Bush Administration reportedly had 36 czar positions filled by 46 different people – more than the highest estimated current number.

And then-

“There’s been a real proliferation of czars under this administration,” Collins says. ”

Which is accurate? TIME’s story doesn’t say.
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I presented both sides of the story. I’ll leave it to columnists and readers to draw their own conclusions on who had the best case.
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Shorter JNS: shape of earth: opinions differ.

If the problem is that stories bloated far beyond their actual importance [...] are in danger of leaching out of the Fox hothouse into the general media.

Ha ha ha!

“Lieberman Takes on Obama’s Czars” — is that the kind of story that might leach out of Fox and into the general media?

I was going to mention how laughable it is to any current or former print journalist that a serious conversation is going on about the “depth” or “credibility” of the 30-second broadcast media, but it would have detracted from my First Amendment rant.

Seditious? Does Joe K really know what that means? Maybe he just doesn’t actually tune in to Fox.
Demographic sliver? What does he call MSNBC’s far smaller audience?
This is pretty hard to take seriously, especially when delivered with his habitual affectation of intellectual superiority.

“that’s all you need to know about how far out of bounds the White House is on this campaign.”
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Uh, no. That’s all you need to know about how much the press cares about covering each other’s backsides.
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There’s no constitutional issue here. At all. The White House hasn’t silenced Fox, or gone on a vendetta against its owners or reporters, or even said it would no longer be giving them access. The White House simply called a spade a spade. Period.

Right, he said this “in front of a hall of lefties.” That’s why it’s been all over television for the past two weeks.
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Stop huffing the glue, boys.

JOKE LINE :

Hats off to your comic writings man or rather creative writing

As always no substance, no intellegent opinion, no journilism,no point of view..This post of yours is a gem in creative writing, where you fill the space with words without any meaning..and still the dumbos at TIME think,this guy is employable..

Grow up kid..whether it’s FOX or TIME..everybody is in business of making money and getting their political cover..what’s wrong with either??? You just need to buy the right media stock at right time.

As far as your obama fascination is concerned,who gives a damn man..try writing atleast on column a year which doesn’t revovlve around JOKE O.

freeinpa,
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Let me add this gem from CNN today:
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CNN Poll: GOP favorable rating lowest in a decade
The Republican Party’s favorable rating among Americans is at lowest level in at least a decade, according to a new national poll.
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Thirty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 54 percent viewing the GOP negatively.
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According to the poll, 53 percent have a positive opinion of the Democratic Party, with 41 percent holding an unfavorable view. The survey indicates that favorable ratings for the Democrats have dropped 5 points since February, with the Republican number slipping 3 points.

Let’s put the Fox in proper perspective. Yes, it leads in CABLE news numbers at around 2.8 mill in prime time. This is like leading the farm club baseball league, and ignoring the majors. Last week, the weakest network news, CBS, pulled in 5.9 mill. NBC did 7.1 and ABC 7.5.

So, yes, 2.8 million vs. 20.5 (not to mention MSNBC, CNN et al) is pretty much a sliver. But even a small sliver can fester and accumulate puss if not addressed.

Why is this called “war”?

It’s just callin’ ‘em like they see ‘em.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#

Oh to dream Falling numbers with a cheerleading press. Just think if the press actually did their job.

The high number just shows how mindless liberal followers are. They took the guided tour. Listened to the crap about change but just like when any liberals shows his spots, people run screaming from the room.

They are concluding quickly liberal ideas STINK. And oh yeah FOX News is the only one covering it.

mego98125

Yes slander Rush. And no your don’t have to be President. The “quotes” attributed to Rush by the left wing nut job media – that’s mainstream MSNBC and CNN to you, were slanderous.

But to liberals that is ok. Makes your righteous indignation about FOX comical.

And let’s not discuss who won’t let who at rallies. Obama not only hand picked the audience he wrote the questions.

Still no runs no hits only errors.

I can probably find more lies in one Joe Klein article than an entire week of Fox News reports. Sedition? Tell me one other US President who knowingly hired admitted communists into their administration other than Obama? Tell me Joe? Klein is part of the Left Wing Bolshevik Jewish conspiracy to destroy this nation.

Thanks, dollared! Glad you like the phrase. I am pretty sure that I made it up. I also wanted to get at the fact that while it engages in some media-related program activities, it isn’t actually the “media.”

hey Joe. you are pretty arrogant to call others “thugs”, “wingnuts”, and “weirdos” just because they disagree with your political point of view. you should check around because America is still a very conservative country and there are lots of Hannitys and Becks all around this great country.

While you are correct about Prime Time we are talking 24/7 cable news . How many are watching FOX while CBS has Survivor on at 8pm? Or during soaps in the Afternoon. Or while Beck is on at 5PM drawing 3 Million?

Lets talk about a sliver. A Sliver is 1.5% of America. Jews are 2% of America and are approx 75% Liberal. So that leaves 1.5 % of America. Yes folks like Klein and Krugman and Jonathan Alter and David Axelod and Rahm Emanuel and Waxman , Schumer,Feinstein , Carl Levin et all spoon feed propaganda to the rest of the left wing sheep. 1.5% of America controls most of media. From Hollywood Movies which are filled with propaganda to TV and Newspapers and Magazines.

I don’t mind fox dumbing down their pool of viewers – everyone has the option to watch what they want – but when the rest of the msm starts using fox’s nonsensical stories as real “news” that deserves attention that’s just wrong. It’s doing a disservice to their profession and to us all and their credibility will be in the dumper like fox’s is for the majority of Americans.

Here you go, freeinpa. Here is a chart of Bush’s approval numbers over time:
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http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
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As I note in my previous post, the only reason your inane article can make that claim on Obama is because he started at 78%, which was higher than Reagan when the Gipper started..
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As for blaming everything on the media, you are such a whiner. The Republican brand is in the tank, at its lowest level in a decade and at historically low favorability levels. I don’t hear any more crowing about 2010. Your team may get drubbed again. Especially when the fringe 20% (of which you seem to be a part) — represented by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity — are busy driving away the last vestiges of thinking conservatives.
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So thanks for that. And I’ll take Obama to win in 2012 over any of the challengers emerging from the GOP scrap heap.

Elvis. Fox may be cursed with morons, but their ad department needs to start airing more commercials for guns, cheap booze, tin foil, duct tape and easy to install bunkers.

Predicting Obama would win the Presidency was about as hard as predicting that Palin would fail the MENSA test.

Joe, maybe the White House wouldn’t have to push back so hard if magazines wouldn’t put Beck on their covers and write puff pieces about him.

“The War On Fox News” is the latest example of why most people have little or no respect for the Media, they are easily led and jump on any bandwagon passing by. The so-called War is the latest Big Issue from the far right, it replaces the Olympics Bid and the Nobel Prize, next week it will be something else. Fox News has been mocked for years and rightly so. This just makes it official.

Well, well look who is writting about the sedious liars at Fox News ….it’s Olberbloat’s MSNBC Butt Boy, Joe Klien !!

Isn’t Joe Klien ….the one who tingles Mr. Hardball every afternoon ??

Yup, it’s must be Joe Klien ….the feminine edge of Rachael Mancow !!

Ohhhhhhh Joe, you are the Journalist !!

I am so happy you wrote such an unbiased piece in the unbiased Time magazine about the awful Fox News …….you deserve a big pat on the head from your leader Mr. Ubama !!

How’s the magazine selling these days anyway ??

“The best antidote to their garbage is elegant, intelligent governance.”

If Obama passes healthcare with a public option, Fox “analysts” will go on and on about how healthcare is now doomed. They’ll point to any little real case of government healthcare gone bad (no matter how rare) as proof. And they’ll keep doing it and doing it. If he brought peace to the Middle East, Fox “analysts” would find the wrong in it (he made a deal with the devil in Iran, for example) and they’ll keep saying it and saying it. If he passes regulations for Wall Street, Fox “analysts” will find a way – many ways – to illustrate how this fails Main Street. If you plant new grass in your yard and your neighbor says to all the neighbors it is now too green. If you then add roses and your neighbor says they’re too red. If you repaint your house off white and your neighbor calls you racist. No matter how much good you do, if your neighbor keeps making up stupid rhetoric about it, eventually you are going to attack back. It’s human nature to defend yourself. That is the problem with Fox – elegant, intelligent governance has no answer to rhetoric about it. The answer to rhetoric is to call out the exaggeration with facts backed by sound proof. Only then can you make the exaggerator look a fool, to start to question their ways. Obviously, in Fox’s minds, they can’t do it to themselves. Someone else has to. They can put their foot in their mouths all day and they don’t care because they believe it should be there. Someone has to point out, “You’re your foot is in your mouth,” and make the room laugh so they finally blush and pull it out. The bigger problem is mainstream media, TIME included, do not do enough “analysis” of their own to question and attack Fox. The White House administration is smart to go to war with them, and frankly, so should TIME and all other media.

I’m really hoping Obama gets re-elcted in 2012. Not that he’s doing a great job, but I want to see freeper’s head explode.

What ever happened to “This is America, people have a right to their own opinions?”

I do not think that ANY American citizen just goes by what is said on Fox. The media (and other people) don’t give the American people enough credit for making up their own minds. Yes, I watch Fox News, but I think that I am intelligent enough to know what’s fact and what is blown out of context.

I also think that the Obama administration is stupid for even trying to go up against a news network like Fox. It just shows how young and stupid the administration is.

2012 is ages away, but unless somebody bright and shiney comes out of leftfield (ha) for the republicans, I don’t see any of the current crop giving Barack a run for his money. Huckleberry, Palin and Romney don’t have a chance.

Now that you mention it, Joe Klein peddles an awful lot of hateful crap. His magazine is circling the drain. And many of his stories are bloated far beyond their actual significance. He is such a predictable East Coast sneering liberal that you don’t need to read his articles to know what he thinks about any given issue. Surprise! He doesn’t like Fox. Who would ever have guessed?

I don’t blame Fox as much as the rest of the media. Would you blame the Onion if people at the other papers used them as an assignment editor?
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Fox is free to scream about ACORN, Czars, and fluoride in the water sapping and impurifiying our precious body fluids all they want.
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The problem is that the rest of the pack decides to do he said/she said reports on whatever the heck FOX is screaming. They even put the chief lunatic on the cover of a certain magazine and discuss his teabagging rally with either 70,000 or 2,000,000 people attended. ‘Who can tell’ what’s true drivel.

Most of the media [has] been slow to recognize the pervasive impact of this fifth column in their ranks – that is, day after day, injecting the daily Republican talking points into the definition of what’s objective as stated by the news media as a whole,” Gore said.

“Something will start at the Republican National Committee, inside the building, and it will explode the next day on the right-wing talk-show network and on Fox News and in the newspapers that play this game, the Washington Times and the others. And then they’ll create a little echo chamber, and pretty soon they’ll start baiting the mainstream media for allegedly ignoring the story they’ve pushed into the zeitgeist. And then pretty soon the mainstream media goes out and disingenuously takes a so-called objective sampling, and lo and behold , these RNC talking points are woven into the fabric of the zeitgeist.” [New York Observer, posted on Nov. 27, 2002]

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/123102a.html

Dear Time readers,

First of all, I am thankful for your time and concern. I need your help to get my right back so I am sending email to you.

I am Eunsuk Jenny Kang. Please take time to read this and I will appreciate your time from my heart for the rest of my life. I need your support. I am living in Korea and I used to live and work in US as a doctorate student at ASU. My field was educational literacy development.

I am threatened by some guys that I can’t work anywhere. They told me that they’ve sold me to the world and they made a lot of money. And they don’t want to give any of them to me. They told me that they can contact anyone and contacted everyone I knew.

I was threatened and cursed by Jung Ji Hoon (Rain) , famous performer and actor who wanna or already became American not to go to the army by selling me every moment of my life and Kim Dae Hyun (Charles Kim) and Kim Jung Hoon and others including (Jun Ji Hyun) actress. They also included Jang Yoon Jung and Park Chan Young. The names might be wrong. Or some people concerned could be the well-known chairmen.
They’ve filmed me every moment even in the bathroom like Truman show. They said they didn’t show my face in the film but people recognize me as the world ugliest dog….And they used the cutting edge auditory Hallucination machine which is used in the developed countries. Which could fool the psychiatrists who don’t know the existence of this technology and just believe that they need to get paid by them. or just to get paid by them, they paralyze me just a second and locked me in the mental hospital. It made me more helpless. The doctor should quit their practice for this. They gave all different kinds of diseases so I am losing my confidence as a woman and human.

They said they paid ASU and individuals for locking me in the rural area. Singers and actors and other celebrities, the people I encounter know about me but they may think I am getting paid high which is not true. I hate the fact that they used the scientific development to kill my whole life, which pushed me out of the US. You may not believe the existence but it exists. They try to make me mentally ill with this machine but I am sure I am not mentally ill.

They used my whole life in many ways for last five years. They were English education show, radio show and reality show. My life was used in movies, books, cartoons, and the media….. All people including entertainers in US where I lived, and Korea where I am living are busy to imitate my life and mock while they use my writing for education, specially for entertainers who want to learn English. There are a few things that they made up, they could. They could make some people I know more famous. They said that I was too knowledgeable about many things and they wanted to use my ideas to make their own fortune and to isolate me from all my contact. They’ve used my whole life education, my usage of language , and my ideas about current issues and ruined my life many ways. They’ve used my life of what I saw and read and even writings including journals, my gesture, facial expression, my sleeping…
They don’t want to give money to me so they gave it to others to make me isolated from this world. Help me so that I can go to the US and help me to get my life back. They said they can kill me anytime soon. I know the companies and individuals who used my life or bought my life might not know my existence because the people who used my life can say that I am dead. Viewers and listeners know that I am alive because they still depict my life and write about me, and copy my life again and again. In general, it is hard to believe the existence of the state-of-the-art technology and usage for individual’s benefit. But the distributor is so geeky and bought my friends and neighbors. They sell mine to Time, MSNBC, ABC, filmmakers and multimedia in Korea, Japan, China, and many other countries too. But I am desperate to survive in this moment.
Please help me to find them and fight for me.
They said my life is worth billions of dollars. They did horrible job to make money out of my life. They’ve used my life in various ways. Just help me that I can take the profits back from them. I lost my life and dignity as a human but still I want to be safe and to live in foreign country where I can be safe from them. Most of the movies and pop arts reflected my everyday life and fooled my parents, now I don’t have family which got worse because of them for last several years. They try to make me public enemy to everyone. It is very manipulative. They were the continuum of the trials to make me miserable. My photos and DVDs, CDs and all credit records, education materials, everyday’s life they’ve used could be the billions of dollars product because they’ve sold to the world.

I think they paid me because they should. They can buy even celebrities.

I was watched by them (a number of people) everyday and they told me that they want me to kill myself so that they don’t need to give money to me. They also said it can be perfect crime.

I just want to leave the country first. Please send me some help with kindness. If not, I will be locked in again forever.

My information

Bank : Shinhan bank

SWIFT BIC : SHBKKRSE

110-018-623310

Phone number 82-10-2311-4577.

They wanted to make me the one who is not saving money like other Christians but it is not true. I was just isolated from the world to be used horribly. Anything I do, they know how to make me as the public enemy to the world. I became the most miserable person in the world.

They are threatening me that there is no help I can get in this world. They told me that I am more famous than others but people know that I will be dead soon. They also said they controlled my email, phone, password and neighbors and countries. I know they wanted to become billonaires by using my life. They threaten me everyday that they will send me again to the mental hospital. While they push me out of the US, they used auditory hallucination technology which can have rain’s voice and seven’s and other guys I met in korean church. It was horrible. And some other guys who are not known to me but they were horrible too.

I don’t want to be their victim to make them richer and richer. They said they hate my family and relatives and others, however, i am different from them. I invested whole life to be the best. I think it’s been five years since they filmed me for the first time and even before they started to research about me which are not all true because the people need money by telling them funny stories…Even so they can’t ruin my life. They pay and use all contacts of church, universities, graduate college and places I worked for their own profit so that they can ignore me as a mental problem. I

Two years ago, they hospitalized me in the mental hospital and hospital was paid by them. And they were selling my life again and all blog systems including YouTube which I couldn’t check myself because I was scared. While I was in the US, it was the same case. I think they were korean stars and media which wanted to kill me.

Please send even small amount of financial support to me. It would be helpful. They said no one will help me because they can control everyone. They can control my email, phone, friends, neighbor, media and so on. There might be redundancy. Please help me to get help from Presidents too. I know some other countries are using my life and reflect it into their drama and other pop arts.

Sincerely,

Eunsuk Jenny Kang

Man up Sally. The whining is all yours. From your chart it looks like Bush averaged around 60%. Obama has gone from 78% to 62 to 53%. That’s in 9 months ( a 32% drop) not 4 years and yes with a free pass from whiny liberals who threw up racism and a thrill up their leg with every serious question to ask of this poser. Guess what he can’t vote present and the campaign rhetoric does not match his policies.

And you provide another typical liberal response when hit with a dose of reality from “an inane article” Liberals like their own truth, their own lies and their own reality. The poll is showing th e country does not. As for 2010 we will see. The Dumos gained the House, Senate and Presidency by running as moderates espousing conservative values. The emperor has no clothes and the public is figuring out that change doesn’t translate to improvement

Gee and you will be missed —- by no one. Sorry check with Mom see if she still likes you

You mean…you mean…Joe’s a *gasp* concern troll ?
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Say it ain’t so, SG!!

Don’t gloat too soon. He is only going to get worse. He can’t vote present and the public is finding out every policy decision is worse than the last and he is bankrupting the country. Poruklus didn’t work, HC was shot down in Round 1 and global threats are rising with the second coming of Jimmah as Commander-in-chief.

Good thing the government owns the autos he may need a job on the assembly line

You are right, you can have an opinion in this country as long as its the same as a liberals. If not facts be damned you are automatically a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe.

It’s the old adage. freedom for me not thee.

Let’s roll…..

I’m not gloating at all. None of the current frontrunners from the republicans stand a chance. Someone not currently on the radar may emerge, but there isn’t one out there in the public eye now that has an ice cube’s chance in hell.

Take the opposite position on any issue you accuse Fox of and you have hundreds of liberal outlets doing the same thing.

So what is your point? Stupidity in numbers is better?

Well, I’ve got the flu but i didn’t feel the need to write a book about it. Send money anyway.

Since its rare a known front runner ever actually ends up as the nominee, your crystal ball is worth – well nothing. Remember somebody named Hillary Clinton?

And since unemployment is nearing 10% even after Obama insisted it stop at 8% after his wonderful porkulus plan the issues won’t help and after 4 years the its Bush fault won’t fly. They are old now and even older when unemployment hits 12%

It is early and early predictions do mean virtually nothing. Obama NEVER said unemployment would top out at 8%. It was higher than that when he took office freeper. Get you facts straight.

Dear Time Readers,

I didn’t want to be the public enemy and the technology might not be the korean product. I don’t want to go through the horrible things again and again.

Eunsuk Jenny Kang

Klein wrote: “… It doesn’t offer the quick-fix irresponsibility of a tax cut …”
This, of course, is patently false. During the campaign, Obama stated repeatedly & emphatically that most people making less than $250K per year would see a tax cut. When he took office, he immediately implemented tax cuts in the bailout package, calling his $400 tax credit “Making Work Pay.” Klein claims Obama isn’t offering a quick fix, yet Obama praised the immediacy of his own tax credit, saying, “Never before in our history has a tax cut taken effect faster.”
Klein, you’re a damned liar. Shame on you.

sacredh:

Speaking of getting your facts straight– give it a try. Not surprising liberals always have trouble with reality.

“Obama NEVER said unemployment would top out at 8%. It was higher than that when he took office freeper. Get you facts straight.”

His economic team in selling the porkulus said without the bill unemployment would rise to 9% but with the brilliant plan top out at 8% (see pg 5 of first link)

And for the month of January unemployment rate was 7.6%. Darn those public school teachers union- you didn’t know that was below 8.

And you guys whine about FOX? They have nothing on liberals

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000

Poor Joe Klien …….the Fox TRUTH must really hurt !!

Ubama has no accomplishments —

Healthcare – a Democrat majority and still can’t pass
Iran – they reneged on sending fuel to Russia
Israel – special envoy Mitchell talking to himself
NATO – meet & plan without Ubama
Afghanistan – special envoy Holbrooke doesn’t even talk to Karzai
GITMO – Craig getting fired soon
Deeds – marked as a loser after Ubama campaigned for him & before election
Stimulus – Romer this week – that’s all folks
Jobs – “saved” trillions ??
09 Budget – $1.4 trillion deficit – largest ever
Afghan War – agonizing in public after claiming Bush’s plan as his own
Poland & Czech – leave allies high & dry
Olympics 2016 – KO Round 1
Honduras – on the wrong side
Russia – no reset, no sanctions
France – Sarkozy can’t stand Ubama
UK – won’t take calls from Brown
Queen of UK – gives her CDs of his speeches
Gays – promises promises
Cap & Trade – off the agenda
Wall Street – no reform
Economy – still in the pits

Point made yet ??

Ubama accomplishments —

Letterman – great guest
Teleprompter – knows how to use
Noble Peace Prize – good laugh for the world
World Stage – US apologizer in chief
CIA – under prosecution
Old Europe – really likes us now
Middle East – really likes us now

And HE has only been in office 9 months !!

How is that Hope & Change working for you Joe Klien ??

sacredh wrote: “Obama NEVER said unemployment would top out at 8%.”
I think you’re splitting hairs Ten days before Obama took office, his team of economic advisors predicted unemployment would hit 8.5% w/o a stimulus package, but would top out at 7.8% WITH a stimulus package.
Read the report for yourself:
http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

freeinpa: He took office on January 20th. The month was 2/3′s over. The chart says 8.1 in February. How long did it take for passage of his stimulus? Did you think that the moment that he took office that the economic collapse was going to turn around in an instant? He said many times that it was going to get worse before it got better. Not worse like by the next friday but like in the months and possibly years ahead. Many in his team said it would take at least at year for the turnaround to begin. It was you folks on the right that tried to build up expectations that the second he was sworn in that everything would be coming up roses. It takes time to clear the rubble rubble threw out there for a serious administration to clean up.
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Remember when McCain made his famous speech about how sound the fundamentals if the economy were (as the market was falling 500 points as he spoke)? Just be grateful that clown didn’t win. We’d all be standing in line at the soup kitchens.

This is a remarkably bad time to announce that Fox News isn’t a traditional news organization, after they’ve gotten the scoop on the ACORN child prostitution scandal that “traditional” news networks ignored for several days after it broke. And, of course, it was the “traditional” San Francisco Chronicle that buried Obama’s campaign pledge to enact cap-and-trade legislation that would, in Obama’s words, cause electricity rates to “skyrocket.”

It’s also a bad time to try to distinguish Fox News from “traditional” sources when many mainstream networks got caught recently peddling absolutely false, made-up quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh, designed to make him look like a racist.

I stand corrected on the actual numbers. But they were estimates made very early on in his administration (and those were BEFORE he was sworn in as the report said). Estimates are only that. Just estimates. He had to fight and make compromises on the size of the stimulus and where the money would go. Having to fight the republicans every inch of the way delayed implementaion and dispersal of the funds. Before one dime of the stimulus money was sent out the unemployment rate had already exceeded expectations. The economy was in far worse shape than anyone from either party had predicted.

Keep smoking that, uh, stuff…

Hell, the only thing that stands between that event* as a concept and it’s actual occurrence is FOXworld.
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If they didn’t have that waterhole to drink from, they’d be lost. All one needs to do is survey the last 15 comments or so to see phantasm-forma detachment on full display.
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FOX is news like Pravda or TASS was news…
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*I want to see 2/3rds, textee’s andfreetopeeinhisownmouth’s heads explode. I already saw Rustys’ go off after the extinction, er, election.

That and those darned facts…

freeinpa, the numbers don’t back you up. You can claim that the public is turning on Obama but that’s not going to do you any good because they’re turning on Republicans faster and deeper. People like you are a vanishing breed, contrary to your assertions otherwise.
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Obama is still comfortably above 50%. He’s fine and the difference in the net positive/negative views of Republicans and Democrats are enormous.
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The GOP will probably win a few seats in 2010 (because the opposite party of the executive almost always does) , but they won’t get close to gaining control of the House or the Senate. And when you and the rest of the screamers were in full dudgeon back in August, you thought you really were representing the majority.
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Turns out, you were just the manic, shouting fringe. And your numbers are dwindling.

Mr. Klein, I really hate to bust into your little fantasy world with an actual hit of reality, (Just kidding, I’m not hating it at all) but Fox News IS the mainstream if you define that by the viewership numbers, as opposed to whether or not those viewers or readers agree with YOU. Seems more people watch Fox than all the other cable news channels combined; that’s what I hear about that “sliver of a demographic ” anyway..or is that a seditious lie? I suppose those same 2 or 3 million weekly viewers, or wing nuts as you call them, may actually believe Acorn was a real story, where as you may not as you and your mainstream ignored it until two college students scooped you. Wow; who would have thought federal funding for underage illegal immigrant prostitution through an entity intended to participate in the US Census– was a story worthy of The Real Media’s attention, let alone the subsequent acts of Congress? WIERD HUH!? I do agree with you Mr. Klein, that Glen Beck is more than a bit of a nut; a self admitted rodeo clown who I frankly, can only take in short doses…but at least he knows that and is honest about it…..you on the other hand, sadly, think you are a real journalist…. and that with your apparent absolute inability to be objective…. have the capacity to actually make sense and to sit in judgment of the rest of us…that sir.. is truly comical.

One other point, freeinpa…
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You wrote:
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They are concluding quickly liberal ideas STINK. And oh yeah FOX News is the only one covering it.
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Two problems with that statement:
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1. Democrats and Obama are far more popular than Republicans, according to very poll.
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2. The only people watching Fox News are the 20% of hardcore screamers like you. The rest of America has tuned out the Hannitys, Becks and Limbaughs of the world. Doesn’t make any difference how big their audiences are, because only the “true believers” are watching/listening to them. Those clowns are “converting” anyone. In fact, they’re driving people away, as the poll number for those identifying themselves as Republicans clearly show.
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For the record, I hate all political blabbermouths/pundits, from the right or the left. They’re a bunch of self-serving jack**ses.
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I note (with irony) that you are operating on “hope.” Hope that the economy fails. Hope that we get attacked by terrorists. Hope that the screaming of idiots like Beck will convince people that Obama is the devil.
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Keep it up. I bet the next poll on people identifying themselves as Republicans will be in the teens.

sacredh:

Ah there you go again. Caught with you pants down (Careful IQ 53 is loose) You wrote he never said it would go above 8.0– He did. You said it was higher than 8% when he took office– It wasn’t.

Now you want to go off on a tangent with he said it would get worse or ow they didn’t realize how bad it was. Well Obama campaigned it was a Depresssion and the worst economy ever. How could you underestimate that? Stupidity is one answer. And yet even with the foolish porkulus package. It was passed Feb 14 because we were told the world would end. It didn’t. Wrong again or one could say fear mongering. Obama has now backpedaled and now says it will get worse because they still hav eno clue. Maybe he should check with his economic adviser Romer who wrote a paper that government spending does not help recover from recessions. In fact it reduces private investment by $3 for every dollar of government spending.

And libs complained about TARP bailout of the financial by Bush. Banks are stabilized and stock markets have moved up. Does Bush get credit for that?

We are in a sh_t storm and nobody in the Adminstration has an umbrella. Bit let’s go back to blaming Fox and Beck and Rush. Don’t be bothered by the truth

You forgot golfing every Sunday
Dinner in NYC
An Anniversary celebration
And basketball with football player who played basketball at Duke before he became Obama’s Kelly Girl.

[...] me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue. [...]

I think he may actually have a point (of course, not the one he believes): as long as the rest of the corporate media traffic in right-wing-driven attacks and lies without providing proper context and analysis, they’re not quantitatively any different from FOX (perhaps that’s what’s really eating Klein and the rest of the Villagers). As Maddow pointed out today, the thing that makes FOX quantitatively different is that it funds, organizes and hosts anti-government protests while pretending to be an unbiased news organization.

Remember when dissent was patriotic (you know, back in the Bush years)?

Now it’s seditious?

C’mon Joe, give it a rest. Was MSNBC seditious for 8 years? Were you?

I suspect that you think not, though Fox is more well-behaved today than you guys were towards Bush.

Our greatest social problems are ignorance and the fear caused by ignorance. With ignorance and fear, many have lost the ability to look objectively at all sides of an issue and then form an intelligent opinion. Fox and it’s narcissistic talk show hosts have seized upon this fact and by blurring the line between news and opinion have created an almost “cult like” following of loyal fearful followers.

Joe, this post is very amusing because it almost seems as if you don’t know you’re a pot. Do you really believe you’re an unbiased journalists? Let’s please be upfront and repeat after me, “I am the biggest megaphone for the Obama administration. I do not waiver in my faith for the man or his policies. I simply praise all words, actions and the ground that he walks upon…”

Honest discourse is appreciated, Joe. Fox is biased. You’re biased.

I’ve with kevin. There’s no 1st Amendment issue…
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“Congress shall make no law …abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”
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The Bill of Rights says nuthin’ about the Prez not being able to call Beck, Rush and Hannity D-bags…

[...] Jefferson, call your office Time’s Joe Klein writes: Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders [...]

To paraphrase Harry Truman:

Obama tells the plain truth and Fox thinks it’s war.

“Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition.”

Are you kidding? I thought dissent was the highest form of patriotism — I guess not when it’s your guy in the White House.

Here’s a tip, Joe. You’re full of it, you cover the President’s backside because you have so much invested in his success, and most of the media stopped being journalists a long time ago. Your “time” is up — Fox rules the news biz now. And we are all the better for it.

Two quick comments:

1. If “much of [what Fox news reports] is untrue, you’d think Joe Klein could offer an example or two.

2. The rest of this article reminds me of the attempts of the press in the 2000 election cycle to claim that Al Gore was so intelligent, he might be above the heads of the average voter. See, the Obama administration is so brilliant, and nuanced, and wise, that it can’t be expected to make policy decisions about a war in just ten months. It’s working out all the subtleties and ramifications, calculating every angle, getting ready to make the transcendant, shockingly brilliant decision.
They talk about this stuff at liberallyspeaking.net.

What in the world is there to expose about Fox? What lies do they tell? No one here. No one. Has actually given any examples of anything they’ve aired that is untrue. ACORN? Truther Vanjones? That reporting was all accurate. What would Joe call Fox on? And as for Joe’s comment: “Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition.” Sedition? What about “dissent is the highest form of patriotism?” Oh, that’s right. That adage only applied when the Evil Bush was in power. You libtards are so silly. You’re desperate as you see your “president” Barry 0bamao’s polling numbers plummet, while all of his signature issues go up in smoke. His first year is an epic fail. In the latest Rasmussen poll, Republicans are beating Democrats in 10 out 10 issues important to the American people and twice as many Americans call themselves conservatives as they do liberals. Democrats are about to get smacked down in NJ and VA. In short, you’re losing. I know it hurts. But it will all be over with in 2012 when Barry gets sent back to Chicago to be a community organizer again (whatever that is). And by the way, you can’t “speak truth to power” to a news organization. You do that to the government, which is the only entity that has real power–that is, a monopoly on the legitimate use of deadly force. That’s what Fox news does (and it just makes Barry get his panties all in a twist). What fun…

Joe Klein, the author previously known as anonymous (proper credit to the late Michael Kelly), who writes for Time (of declining circulation), which is affiliated with CNN (the Lotus 1-2-3 of network news and whose sliver of the population is about ¼ of Fox’s) must have spent the first Wednesday after the first Tuesday of last November scraping the “dissent is the highest form of patriotism” bumper strip off his Volvo.

You’re exactly right Joe. Fox news is just putting out lies. Seditious lies, I tell you!! And it doesn’t help that they keep that guy in the wheelchair around. I mean, seriously (I think you eloquently made this point in one of your previous columns) how can someone in a wheelchair get out and report on what the real world is like?

Jammie Wearing Fool — Ferret-Faced Freak: Fox News is Seditious
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/10/ferret-faced-freak-fox-news-is.html
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Hot Air: Quote of the Day
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/23/quote-of-the-day-573/

It seems to me that the GOP has it’s own TV station at FOX. I do not believe that it can be just ignored.

This President is using thug tactics that would make Nixon cringe yet liberal hypocrites like Klein are just fine with that even going so far as to endorse it as being necessary to combat “sedition”.

Obama and the left’s problem with Fox News is not that Fox doesn’t act like a legitimate news organization, their problem is that Fox does.

Yeah? Try this scenario on for size. In 2010 Obama loses control of the House and has Boehner as Speaker. 60 vote margin in senate is gone. By late 2011, Obama has not passed health care, cap and trade, or gay marriage. A’stan is a quagmire, Iran has tested its first nuke, unemployment is a chronic, broken 10% nationally, 15% in Michigan. And over Labor Day Al Quaeda blew up a ferry in New York harbor, estimated dead tourists, 900. Obama’s approval rating is consistently in the mid to high 30′s. 1980 redux.

Primary !!

Hillary !!

The questions I would like all you “outraged” Liberals and Democrats to answer are as follows: 1) If “Faux” News is nothing but an arm of the Republican Party, what does that make Time, NY Times, Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN et al? Afterall, using your logic, CNN tried to defend Barack Obama’s honor and fact-checked an SNL skit, so that means it’s an arm of the WH and the Democrat Party, right?
2) If “Faux” News is propaganda, how come the WH has not sued Fox News for the reporting it did on Van Jones, ACORN, NEA, etc? Afterall, if it was false and smears, where are the law suits? Where are the demands for Fox to make retractions?

The reasons are simple. Fox News reports the truth and the White House and Democrats know it and want desperately to stop it so they use thuggery, ala Hugo Chavez, to attempt to silence and marginalize Fox. It’s already backfiring.

You people are too stuck on your ideology to see what’s really going on here. Not that I would ever agree with anything CNN, MSNBC or any other left-wing news outlet puts out, but if Fox were run out of business by GOVERNMENT, don’t you think the left-wing news outlets would be the next targets? Sooner or later more slip-ups like what happened on CNBC yesterday are bound to happen and BOOM, you are the next to be forced out. If government can succeed in getting the first one out, how can they be stopped from shutting down whomever they want? Remember, where there is an absence of a free press and free speech, regardless of whether or not you like it, there is tyranny.

“its the fact that the antics of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity bleed into Fox’s straight news so one can’t separate what is really opinion and what is not.”

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gysgt: I know you are not the smartest rock in the box as is evident by most of your statements, but even for you this is self degradation. Give yourself some points there buddy. I am sure if you try hard enough, stop listening to the likes of another rock in the box, Joe Klein, you too could discern from what are opinions and what is actual news.
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It truly is not that hard to understand that ACORN as an example, a former employer of Barack HUSSEIN Obama, is one of the most corrupt far left liberal groups on planet earth. Van Jones IS an admitted communist who Barack INSANE Obama hired for God knows what reason.
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You see people like Joe Klein who have somehow have been promoted to a position of national journalistic are no better or worse than Hannity or Beck, it is simply a liberal versus conservative opinion. His wacked out ideas versus theirs.
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As Joe’s claim…

“If the problem is broader–that Fox News spreads seditious (truth that is difficult for the likes of Joe Klein to copmrehend, so they resort to 3rd grade name calling) lies to its demographic sliver (commanding lead in the cable news demographic) of an audience–”

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When in fact that “sliver” is growing faster than all of Joe Klein’s short hairs…
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” Fox News soars in ratings — Bill O’Reilly rolls “
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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/09/fox_news_bill_oreilly_mad_men_1.html
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It is really is depressing that a once great magazine like TIME hired media hacks like Joe Klein, and now their once great magazine has been relegated to the position next to the other mix of rag mags of the STAR and Examiner. Joe’s articles are nothing more than simple opinions to further the far left extremist agendas.
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“TIME, once a great and powerful magazine. Now, simply shredded toilet paper for dairy cows to pi$$ and $hit on!!

Joe, in the name of journalistic integrity, why don’t you cite specific examples of Fox’s lack of truthfulness.

You are just like the commies in the Whitehouse. They make claims about Fox’s untrue reporting, however they never cite any examples.

Liberals and the commies in the Whitehouse are like cockroaches–they run and hide when you turn on the lights.

You like the commies in the Whitehouse “can’t handle the truth”.

Three cheers for Fox for shining the light of truth on Obama and the other cockroaches in the Whitehouse.

Citing examples of your claims of untruthful reporting by Fox might have provided some credibility to your article. The absence of these citations proves that the article is nothing more than liberal propaganda.

People of your ilk is one of the reasons that Time, other magazines, and newspapers readership is in the tank.

Keep up the good work. You will soon join the ranks of the unemployed.

DMG
Southeastern Director
Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

So what do call them trying to get rid of the insurance anti-trust exemption a week after they said the healthcare bill would drive up insurance cost? What do you call them not wanting to let Fox News into the press room yesterday until all the other reporters said they wouldn’t go in there either unless Fox was there? Fox is more balanced than any of the other news organizations. Of course they have their opinion shows, but so do the other networks(Keith Olbermann). When it comes to straight reporting, Fox is the best at it.

Do you remember the Pew Research poll that said Fox was the most ballanced during the campaing doing the same number of positive and negative stories for both guys(Obama 25% positive, 40% negative; McCain 22% positive, 40% negative). While MSNBC ran negative stories about McCain 73% of the time and positive stories 10% of the time. MSNBC also ran negative stories about Obama 14% of the time while running positive stories 43% of the time.
http://www.journalism.org/node/13437#

Fox isn’t ultra right, they are just more balanced while the other news groups are to the left.

[...] There are those who don’t understand why the White House isn’t stoically putting up with whatever Faux dishes out. But Joan Walsh has a piece at Salon, a review of The Clinton Tapes by Taylor Branch, that clarifies things. [...]

I have several points of disagreement with Mr. Klein, but I will only focus on one of them: the importance of the issues that Fox commentators such as Beck and Hannity focus on.

Klein thinks that the ACORN and Van Jones stories (and others) are nothing to get excited about. But what makes those stories significant is the closeness of the associations between 0bama and these people/organizations.

0bama has been close with ACORN for a long time.

0bama and/or his staff have known Van Jones for a long time.

0bama was close with Tony Rezko for a long time.

0bama was close with Rev. Wright for a LONG, LONG time.

0bama was close with William Ayers for a long time (close enough that Ayers wrote the book for which 0bama received so much praise).

Mark Lloyd, whom 0bama appointed to the Federal Communications Commission, thinks it is a GOOD thing that Hugo Chavez took over all the communications outlets in Venezuela, so that he could stop the spread of dissenting opinions. And now the FCC is intending to implement the misnamed “net neutrality” doctrine, in place of the also-misnamed “Fairness Doctrine”.

All these relationships (which 0bama initially denied, but facts have been uncovered by people such as Beck and Hannity that show 0bama was not being truthful) add up to one conclusion: this President is a fraud. There are MANY reasons to be afraid of an administration being run by people like this, as well as people like Axelrod and Emmanuel.

These people are indeed tyrants. They recognize no bounds on their authority (to them, ythe Constitution is just a piece of paper with fancy writing on it). They think they can do anything they want, simply because they are in the Oval Office. Sounds a lot like Richard Nixon to me.

Dems complained about Bush ripping apart the Constitution. I don’t agree that he did (neither did the FISA court on the warrantless wiretaps, BTW, but if you only read TIME you probably don’t know that), but what Bush was doing was motivated by a desire to protect the country and the 305,000,000 people he was responsible for. What 0bama, Axelrod, Emmanuel, Dunn, etc. are doing is for the purpose of strengthening their hold over the country, for their own personal gains.

But what would you expect from a crowd of politicians from Chicago?

slowp

Provide citations for these surveys and differentiate for me how Fox is any different from MSNBC, aside, of course, from the way MSNBC slobbers all over BO.

Joe

Since when is dissent seditious?

Articles like this illustrates very well why you are so irrelevant to reality, Joe.
1. Bordering on sedition? Huh? Fox’s treatment of the present administration pales in comparison to media’s treatment of past conservative administrations. It is only sedition if you do not agree with it.

2. Fox has a sliver of viewers? Fox is wildly popular and widely watched, and you know this. What drugs are you on, son? You look foolish.

3. Acorn corruption is minor? If you could get your head out your butt, you would notice that Americans, liberal and conservative, are incensed at the extent of incompetency and downright illegal activity of the office. We do not need to be whipped into a rabid frenzy by Fox. The videos are all anyone needs to realize the corruption.

But keep it comming, Joe, you are a wonderful example. I use your drivel to illustrate to my class of children what yellow journalism and plain lies look like.

Joe, not bad for you. However, someone who was a straight shooter, even if his agenda is counter to his perspective of Fox, might say all that you did and add “After all, Fox is no different than MSNBC. In fact, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow do not even rise to the low level of Sean Hannity and Glen Beck”.

I doubt you have ever been indicted for being a straight shooter.

Joann and the rest of her liberal gal pals at Time, Newsweek, ABC, NBC, ABC, The New York Times, Washington Post, etc. have their panties in a bunch and can’t stand that there is a news organization that is doing investigative work on their Supreme Leader. They continue to be humiliated with their declining readership and viewership. That’s ok Joann, when Time folds (in the near future) there is always another liberal rag where you could get a part time job.

Hey libtards. Obviously we hate each other and can’t see the other sides point of view. So, what’s the next step?

Mr. Klein: For a long time your bias has been obvious, any criticizing of this administration is wrong and unacceptable in your eyes. I will give you two quotes from Thomas Jefferson somebody the progressives love because of his populist views;

1. “I am… for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78

2.”No government ought to be without censors, and where the press is free, no one ever will. If virtuous, it need not fear the fair operation of attack and defence. Nature has given to man no other means of sifting out the truth whether in religion, law or politics. I think it as honorable to the government neither to know nor notice its sycophants or censors, as it would be undignified and criminal to pamper the former and persecute the latter.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792. ME 8:406

3.”It is so difficult to draw a clear line of separation between the abuse and the wholesome use of the press, that as yet we have found it better to trust the public judgment, rather than the magistrate, with the discrimination between truth and falsehood. And hitherto the public judgment has performed that office with wonderful correctness.” –Thomas Jefferson to M. Pictet, 1803. ME 10:356

Three principles: the government does not get to decide was truthful or not the people do: the government does not get to pick and choose who is “news media” or not and they should not favor one over the other ( MSN, CNN vs. FOX)
And maybe the most direct statement of all: “The Chief Magistrate cannot enter the arena of the newspapers.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1811. ME 13:64

Make of it what you may this discussion is unseemly just like the piece in one of the magazines comparing Obama to Mosses: the only problem they forgot to mention Mosses never made it into the Promise Land.

It scares the hell out of me that so many members of the fourth estate are on Obama’s bandwagon in this, of all issues. When you support any administration’s efforts to control what news is and is not reported, you side with Nixon and McCarthy and countries with absolute control over the press. Do you actually believe this, or any administration can be trusted with absolute power?

I might add that Glenn Beck, for one, puts a red phone on his desk, asking that the White House call and correct anything he has said that is wrong. Calling what Fox does seditious, untrue or hateful is simply lazy reporting. What Fox is doing is tending the henhouse. And Klein and others don’t like that. If Fox covers the Tea Parties, it’s because the other media thumbed their nose at millions of Americans who the Obama Administration had decided don’t have opinions worthy of expressing. If they delve into the koo-koo lives and opinions of Obama’s advisors, it’s because Klein and his buddies won’t. If they point out the fact that the new health care bill WILL INDEED lead to rationing, which is the same as death panels, a terrible “Woahhhh” goes up from the left. Truth is truth, whether you call it hate, sedition or lies. You MSM types need to adjust your glasses and call the red phone if you have a problem with Glenn! Fox is all the American people have to tell us what’s going on behind the scenes, because of the lazy Klein-types who are name-calling more than half of the American people. Did you know that half of Fox news watchers are independents and Democrats? Take that!

“Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap,”.

Joe, you’re projecting again…

to silence by force and not by reason
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Nice quote. Anyone care to cite where the administration is using force instead of reason?
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I thought not….

As usual, rustyreturns, you’ve used more words than necessary to flaunt your ignorance.
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” Fox News soars in ratings — Bill O’Reilly rolls “???
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Sadly, No. This is yet another example of media gasbags inventing facts to support their Conventional Wisdom™.
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Exactly right. That sentence caught my eye too. Reading the writings of our founding fathers should be standard curricula in our schools. What Thomas Jefferson is saying here is that government shall not be the silencer of speech, but the people shall have that exclusive right with our reason or free will & discernment to turn away from those who are complaining unjustly.

I’m always amazed at how the state run media types like Mr. Klein so dutifully point out “hateful” news outlets like Fox News. They must be practicing the promised transparency suggested by the Obama administration, because their argument is totally transparent. If you’re going to call out hatred in the media, then look no further than the poster boy of cable hatred, Keith Olbermann. The absolute bile that he spews on a nightly basis can’t be touched by any other so called anchor or news outlet. He is vile and disgusting. Perhaps if all commentators who spout the “hatred” that Mr. Klein is so concerned about were called to the front, maybe we could take his argument more seriously. Until then, you’ve shown yourself to be nothing more than a shill for the current President, who feels that “all naysayers must be marginalized.” Pretty scary stuff.

Here’s one. Gag order placed on Humana. They don’t dare inform their customers that health care reform may mean higher premiums, and less money for Medicare. A legal gag order, from the White House, on a private entity simply because they don’t tow the government line. Might not be military force, but believe me, it’s just as effective.

Let’s see, “they” are “thugs”, “hateful” and “seditious”.

Oh, my! This sounds like Joe Klein!

Oh, no….wait a minute, wait a minute, it’s not Klein, it’s Chris Matthews….

Oh, no….wait a minute, wait a minute, it’s Keith Olbermann….

Oh, no…wait a minute, wait a minute…it’s the Obama White House….

Oh, no…wait a minute, wait a minute….it’s (fill in your favorite here)…

Have a nice day, Joey!

Drudge must’ve picked up on this. That has to explain the hit and run, no-name Fox defenders coming out of the woodworks again.

I’m thinking FOX called in the dogs…

I’m thinking so too, kryptik1.
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It’s not going to work. They will be scrambling from place to place putting out “fires”.
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Nutsuckers, all. Oops. Sorry for the slur.
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Oh! Never mind. I’m not sorry! After all, even they admit it! After all, they were the ones that labelled themselves “teabaggers”…

You mean Humana will be forced to rely on factual information instead?
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Hells bells, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead…

Trouble is, you right wing nutballs, you invoke the hell out of our founding fathers, but you don’t know much about US history at all.
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I might point out that my premiums already went up by 15% and health care reform hasn’t even happened yet.
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So, I put this rather easily followed question to you:
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Just what is it that I should be afraid of about health care reform?

“The Administration has tried to pursue a sophisticated, difficult domestic and foreign policy. ”

Oh, yeah, extremely sophisticated. The health care bill looks like it was pieced together in Pelosistein’s laboratory, and written by Bernie Madoff and Homer Simpson. His foreign policy represents the finished product of the Junior High Debate Team, or Joe Biden, or both. Every promise he makes has an expiration date on it.

Obama seems to think that the 47% of the people that didn’t vote for him are as dumb as the 53% that did. Jobs “created or saved?” Oh, please. What’s blatantly apparent now, is that the people who control his public image are losing control. The veil has been lifted and there’s nothing there. He should have stayed as a backbencher in the Senate giving pretty speeches to all the pretty people.

All this animosity over 2 controversial opinion guys? MSNBC for 12 hours a day is opinion journalism..Fox has 2 guys and we throw a hissy fit?

Oh for heaven’s sake! That’s seriously silly.

All this animosity over 2 nutty opinion guys? MSNBC, by my count of Matthews, the Ed guy, Olberman, and Maddow doubles that.

Forget about minor issues like the worst-ever vetting process by a White House in history. Naturally, the mainstream media could better spend their time commenting upon whether Michell Obama has more muscles than Barak,

The MSM didn’t properly do their job in vetting Obama, why should they bother with his appointees?

Time and Klein are of the same pathetic, typical Liberal mind;

The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,”
“Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,”
“A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

It would count as double if anyone watched Keith (The Botox) Olbermann, Chris (My Leg Tingles) Matthews, or Rachel Madcow, but with ratings that low most people haven’t even heard of these clowns.

Time and Klein are of the same pathetic, typical Liberal mind;

The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,”
“Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,”
“A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

Wanna talk facts, 53-3? CBO- premiums will rise approximately $1500-$2000 per family. Medicare funding will be decreased almost 40%, according to the White House. So, Humana should be leaned on by Obama and the rest of his Chicago thugs because they don’t like that the facts are being publicized? Obama-bots like you will argue non-sensically about anything to march in lock stop with your boy-king.

If this “war” causes the media and others to focus in on Fox’s many lies and distortions, then I think it’s a smart move. Many people would be surprised how much Fox “anchors” lie. They may also be surprised just how wacko Beck is.

When you feel the teeth, you won’t have to guess.

please, stew, produce evidence.

Stew is merely parroting what every other Libiot snivels without a shred of evidence to back it up…They just can’t stand the truth and must invent their own reality.

Can’t wait to read about you in the next Darwin’s Nominee awards, Stew baby.

The Fourth Estate has joined the Fifth Column.

it is unfortunate that a once proud and respected publication such as Time Magazine is now the home to the hateful crap vomited by Joe Klein

it is hilarious to read comments from people who attempt to denigrate and demean the viewing audience of a tv program – the fox news programs are watched by millions of americans every day – do you get that? millions – these people go to work, they raise families, and they pay taxes – so when hateful and despicable members of the left try to discredit every single person who watches fox news by calling them morons or racists, all you accomplish is to verify your amazing ignorance – and it’s also always a big laugh when left wing liberals claim that the massive ratings fox generates each day (get this – other americans watching) are “not real” – One last lesson today for the kool aid drinking libs in the audience – if you want a primer on media “distortion and lies” study the history of the CBS program 60 minutes

Dogs? Well, then… be my fire hydrant, Sparky… please?

“hit and run, no name”… LOL! Makin’ a name for yourself, are you, Kaptain Keyboard?

Too silly even for a Saturday.

Poor Joe….still in love with the President. Can’t see when you are in love my friend. Please take more time in your next column to actually document the lies of Fox news. I think you will come up a bit empty handed. Your columns are becoming more trite and disingenuous as you blindly follow your diminishing beacon of light.

What a bunch of sniveling, whiny cry-babies. The existence of even one cable new source that doesn’t slurp down the current administration’s party line is too much for them to tolerate. Remember just a few short months ago when their cries and bumperstickers pronounced “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?

Joe Klein is just another in a long line of Obama lap dancers.

[...] OutFoxed? By Joe Klein, Time Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue. [...]

Freeinpa: I stated, “The answer to rhetoric is to call out the exaggeration with facts backed by sound proof. Only then can you make the exaggerator look a fool, to start to question their ways.”

That is hardly stating for the Administration or the media to do the same thing.

Furthermore, you state there are “hundreds of liberal outlets?” You must be counting online news outlets and blogs in your numbers because only the Right has those numbers in top mainstream media.

Joe –

Where to begin? This is a perfect example of completely brainwashed liberal drivel that dominates the legacy media. It seems years of living in an echo chamber have blinded those on the left from being able to accept that there are those that have differing opinions. Hence the inability to make a coherent argument – anyone opposing Obama’s policies must be stupid, ignorant or evil.

For those of us that have conservative views (including this recovered liberal) Fox provides a welcome antidote to the leftist pablum shoveled out by the lockstep media. The sycophants in the media who slobber all over Obama are so myopic they cannot see the problems that Obama’s comrades’ radical associations signify.

The country is largely center right. Obama campaigned as a centrist and is governing mostly from the far left. The media is largely dominated by leftist who think themselves centrist – this so distorts their views that traditional conservatives are wingnuts in their views.

We are angry at the patronizing ignorance, mismanagement and ineptitude of this administration. 2010 will be a painful wakeup to the Democrats but it is doubtful that the right lessons will be learned. Obama campaigned on a promise to listen to opponents. With every day it is more apparent that he is a hypocritical BS artist, an empty suit incapable of competence executive governance aided and abbetted by a fawning, slavish pack of dopes. You’ll deny it but the rest of America is not stupid.

In response to the “liberals are crazy post”, I might note a much-discussed report published by the American Psychological Association by four researchers, “American Conservatism as Motivated Social Congnition”, which suggests conservatism is a form of mental illness:

“the hypotheses that political conservatism is significantly associated with (1) mental rigidity and closed-mindedness, including (a) increased dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity, (b) decreased cognitive complexity, (c) decreased openness to experience, (d) uncertainty avoidance, (e) personal needs for order and structure, and (f) need for cognitive closure; (2) lowered self-esteem; (3) fear, anger, and aggression; (4) pessimism, disgust, and contempt….We have argued that these motives are in fact related to one another psychologically, and our motivated social-cognitive perspective helps to integrate them.”

[...] Joe Klein’s piece at Real Clear Politics just goes to show that when the truth hurts, you sling ad hominems and vitriolic claptrap at the source. Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue. [...]

Fox is the only place I can get the truth. The mainstream media has admitted it is controlled by the White House. The Republican party has repudiated Fox, Rush and the others repeatedly. The GOP is a sham party, a straw man. Obama is a psychotic narcissist, a fraud, a baby butcher, and an international totalitarian marxist. I support whatever measures are necessary to destroy liberal fascism. Hatred is the appropriate response to the evil of liberal fascism, which is a hate crime we can no longer tolerate.

Liberalism is a hate crime we can no longer tolerate.

The problem that the White House and the DNC have with Fox News is not that they tell lies, it is that much of what they have said is true.

Here are a few examples,

Van Jones really did say that he was a communist, many times. That coupled with his radicalism forced the White House to fire him.

Acorn is corrupt and the Pimp and Prostitute videos simply proved how widespread the corruption is in that organization. This forced the House, Senate, and White House to cut their ties to the organization. (At least for the time being)

The Czars, or “Special advisors to the President”, or whatever term you would like to use, really are staffed by radicals, leftists, and special interests. They have real power and are not just a bunch of harmless friends of Obama, as the Administration would have you believe.

The Healthcare Bill is really full of a lot of stuff that they Administration does not want you to know about. Why do you think that they refuse to post the newest version online? The lawmakers don’t want to read it and they don’t want you to read it either.

The Stimulus Bill was passed without a single member of Congress reading it. That was true, they admitted it themselves.

Anyway, these true stories that were carried by Fox News have caused the Obama Administration a lot of trouble and they are playing hell with Obama’s agenda. So, the White House thinks that it must silence them. It would be funny if it wasn’t so damned scary. Remember the last time that a President decided that he needed to hide the truth, silence the critics, and vilify the news media? Yeah, that was Watergate. Remember what a joy that was?

Hillary Clinton was a young attorney during Watergate and she worked for the House of Representatives legal counsel during that time. She knows something about abuse of power and freespeech. She said, “We are Americans and we have a right to disagree with any Administration.” Funny that she is silent right now. I guess that she meant that we have a right to disagree with any Administration that she is not a part of?

Freedom is a double-edged sword, it always has been, but we need to insure that the sword remains sharp.

Who is being out Foxed by whom? This administration is taking over 20% of our economy in a simple power grab. People were focusing on the facts they were going to lose healthcare choices, Obama is breaking his promice not to raise our taxes by one dime while increasing our debt by trillions, and a major intrusion into what little privacy we have left (sharing our medical reccords with the beaurocacy). By declaring war on Fox, Obama gets people to look at Fox and posibley forget ObamaCare for a bit while we have government health forced down our throats. (Walter Reed Army Hosp for all us outsde of the Beltway, any one?)

So, if the traditional media would stop licking Barak’s hand when he pats you on the head, as the subservient lap dogs you have been, maybe you would have investigated some of this (ACORN is misusing taxpayer $$ — that we all an agree is bad) a long time ago & realized what a bunch of coniving thugs THIS Administration is. And you thought Nixon was bad.

Yes, please lock up all the conservatives in an asylum because they are crazy paranoid people. Where have I heard that before?

Joseph Stalin.

Honestly, you need to think for yourself before you post. Don’t just blindly quote some person or some study, without thinking about the motivation or the consequences.

The WH was right in going after Fox News. Their lies and encouragement of damaging rhetoric were damaging the credibility of the Obama Administration and creating unnecessary distraction and hysteria. It also seemed to be empowering other baser sentiments which needed to be effectively and incisively ended.

I listen to Hannity and a few other Fox News contributors and to my mind, they are doing much more than required in their so called opinion sharing. In this day and age of 24/7 media, the more outrageous you are, the higher your ratings, so they were completely out of control and needed to be identified and categorized as required.

As for distractions, those who have been distracting everyone from the real issues at hand are the the Republicans and their mouth pieces. Palin and her screaming hysteria about Death panelsssss!!! They will pull the plug on grandmaaa, help!! Van Jones is a communist. .. Obama is from Mars or China blah blah blah

The WH should continue to unequivocally classify Fox as an anti-truth right wing arm of the Republican party! If they do not like that classification TOO BAD!

There is a difference between being the opposition and being like Rush Limbaugh (and others like him) who lead the hate selling and vicious dissemination and promotion of racism and unwarranted vitriol, malevolently directed at this President as they deliberately mis categorize ALL his efforts to improve the country.

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/criminals-use-technology-to-trackrape-and-kill-innocent-people/

May I ask why the Administration refuses to publish their HealthCare plan on the internet?

This was a campaign promise of Barack Obama’s. So, why won’t they let us read the real bill?

Joe Klien writes:

“If the problem is broader–that Fox News spreads seditious lies to its demographic “sliver” of an audience–”

If Fox News hits only a demographic “sliver” how would you describe the reach of CNN or MSNBC is comparison?

Total day 10/22: FNC: 471 | CNN: 136 | MSNBC: 141 | HLN: 157 (source: TVMediaBistro.com)

Seems to me if Fox News is a “sliver” of the audience pie the only thing left for the rest of the media is crumbs of an audience.

[...] Joel Klein (almost) proves the adage that even a broken clock is right twice a day. As recently documented, Klein has an [...]

“The MSM didn’t properly do their job in vetting Obama, why should they bother with his appointees?”

That is an excellent point you’ve made. The MSM find themselves asleep at the wheel… AGAIN.

A very sad state of affairs that calls into question whether they even have a clue what the definition of integrity is.

Joe Klein –

You are writing in a national publication that strives to remain credible. When you write something such as the following….

“Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue.”

….and then you fail to provide a single example but simply move on next to “name calling” (thug, etc.) and personal invective, you lose a very substantial part of any shred of credibility you have remaining.

Also, the Wikipedia definition of “thug” is as follows…

“Thug, a person, often a criminal, who treats others violently and roughly, especially for hire. Often a member of a gang, as an enforcer in organized crime.”

Please tell us who Fox News has “violently and roughly treated” and what part of “organized crime” they are associated with.

You should be ashamed at yourself. Your article is the journalistic equivalent of drive-by shooting than something that anybody should take seriously. Last time I looked, it was mostly “thugs” who engage in drive-by shootings.

Your article reminds me again why I do not take subscriptions to your publication and others like it that claim to be opinion leaders in this country.

JHains22

“…the wingnuts will always be with us…”
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Just like lazy, group-thinking journalists, I suppose. But take a look at the delusional rants of the last two pages and count how many of them come right from the Roger Ailes lie machine. If you think wingnuts aren’t recruited, their paranoia and authoritarian-following validated or their anti-social anger stoked by the right-wing noise machine and the failure of the rest of the corporate press to call out naked political propaganda for what it is, well, at least your water carrying is understandable, if not all the more foolish.

Decades of the rest of the media- TIME included- serving as shills for the Left and the Democrats, and now one lonely network arises whose bias runs to the Right. Your venom\ is out of all proportion, Joe. You thugs on the Left still have Fox far outnumbered. Why the overreaction?

Joe Klein is neither an idiot or a genius.

He’s a guy who sees his entire journalistic journey in jeopardy so he’s scared. That’s human.

The liberal press has an “all-in” investment in Obama. They adore him, they helped elect him, and they passionately believe in his brand of liberalism.

If Obama fails, liberalism will be dead and gone and that will leave the liberal press in complete limbo. They will have lost their influence. That’s why they are so hysterical about Fox or anyone who threatens Obama’s legacy.

What’s really terrifying them now is that, despite their effforts to lionize and shield Obama, the American people are beginning to see that the emperor has no clothes. The “moderate, post-partisan” guy they thought they elected is being revealed as a dedicated liberal who does not hesitate to use Chicago-style hyperpartisanship.

So, when guys like Joe rant and rave, we need to understand that they are coming from a deep pit of abject fear that their time is up.

And…..it is.

I find it amusingly ironic that Mr. Klein is lashing out with such hate… the very same thing for which he decries Fox. This lashing out at perceived danger reminds me of a cornered animal.

As an independent and Fox viewer, I can tell you there is indeed some partisan swag, but it’s rarely presented in a hateful or viscious tone… perhaps with incredulity or exasperation.

It’s sad to see Mr. Klein and many commenters here make such absolute and sweeping generalizations about viewers of Fox, MSNBC or any other media. You could turn his entire argument around and focus it at MSNBC or NBC and it would be just as accurate. Someone says all Fox viewers are idiots. I could respond that all CNN viewers are idiots. So where does this leave us? These are non-arguments and intellectually hollow.

shepherdwong’s comment brought to you by ACORN.

lawyermommy’s comment brought to you by ACORN

My brother, who is getting his phd in organizational and community behavior sent me this study. The approach they used and questions they asked to conduct the study were worse than the GOP non-survey I received in the mail (and threw away) a few weeks ago. Anyone in IT knows the old adage: GIGO. Garbage in. Garbage out.

53_3′s comment brought to you by ACORN

So you know this?
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How can they be facts when they havn’t happened yet?
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Riddle me that nutsucker, er, teabagger…

shephardwong:
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Do you ever get that feeling that there isn’t enough Risperdal in the entire world to help these freakazoids?
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I feel like I’m neck deep in sewage. They are certainly one foul lot of fecal pellets, ain’t they?

IDIOTS IN FOXWORLD
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Unfortunately for you, this sort of stuff won’t help you. You’re collectively too stupid to realize that if you cast a wide net, you’re gonna catch a lot of fish.
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In other words, you fecal pellets may be few and far between, but you’ll gather in numbers at the drain hole.
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I’d love nothing more than to see the lot of you work yourselves into a frothing frenzy of spittle-filled factless and feckless hatred, and then collectively bust an aorta or two.
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It’s better to wait until the level starts to drop in this sewer hole…

I’m not surprised you feel like you’re neck deep in sewage. I’m certain that describes your daily existence. Get a job and get a life,

Hateful crap and flatout untruths huh? How about some examples Joe? Just one example included would have been nice. The problem is, is that you can’t name an untruth. A good many of Fox’ people have asked the WH gang to come on and let them know where they have made erroneous reports. My bet is that they won’t show, it’s kinda hard to argue against documented proof you know?

Everything that Fox is reporting about Barry and his gang of “advisors” is right there for all to see; either in print, audio, or video for all to see. Seeing that you are a liberal, I know you could definitely name several things that Fox has reported which you, just like Barry, detest hearing. So, you just throw out that blanket charge, knowing that the type of idiots that watch CNN and MSNBC will swallow, hook, line and sinker.

Unfortunately Joe, people are generally like the people that they keep company with, which gets back to Fox’ reporting of Barry’s buds.

Thank you Fox News for providing information about this fraud that complicit frauds will not.

Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals #13; Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it. This is the tactic being used by Barack Obama against his enemy, Fox News. It won’t work. The Obama Administration mistakenly believes that it has brought a gun to a knife fight. They don’t seem to understand that Fox News does not have a knife. Fox News, with its ratings going through the roof while other news organization’s ratings are tanking, has the equivalent of an apache helicopter.

The radical socialist is “the man” now and as such he is now vulnerable to the tactics that he perfected and used against his enemies in the past.

Neither Saul Alinsky or President Obama ever thought that their rules could be used against them. The whole mode of operation of a community organizer is to be a bomb tosser. It is essentially a stealth tactic. When you are President of the United States it is impossible to operate in stealth mode. Alinsky’s rules are the rules that are used by radicals to obtain power but they leave no guidance as to what to do once you have power. The Obama Administration has done nothing on its own. The Democrats in the Congress have been allowed to author all of the major pieces of legislation. Subsequently, the Obama Administration is clueless and has not been able to accomplish anything.

I have never posted a comment, but I registered for an account to post just this one. I’ll never do it again. And I’ll write to Time next. I am done with Time magazine. Joe Klein is a hack. I used to read Time for the news, but the only thing I get out of it nowadays is, “Democrats are good; Republicans are evil. Except the Republicans who want to play ball with the Democrats.” As far as I’m concerned, Time is no better than Fox. I don’t need this garbage. Adios, sheep.

Response to The two responses to my comment above
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I know very little about ACORN other than they registered a whole lot of Black people for the last election, other than that, I have nothing else on them. I could not possibly be writing on their behalf since I know nothing about them.

ACORN has been hounded for so long by the conservatives that finally they got something to stick. I am not a fan of misconduct, so if they did something wrong, they should pay.

Also, I voted for Obama even though I was a Republican before he came on the scene. I have since become a full Independent voter, however, if you want more information about his campaign promises, you will be better served by contacting his office directly.

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/criminals-use-technology-to-trackrape-and-kill-innocent-people/

As a well-educated health care practitioner who has been in the trenches for years, I have never come to this spot before. Too busy working for a living, I guess. But is it AMAZING the level of ignorance that exists in America today. I guess the Department of Re-Education has done a good job.

For a WH who allows THE HUFFINGTON POST, for God’s sake, to play at real journalism is a prime example of what the Oblahblah administration considers professionalism!!!

How far journalism has fallen . . . .

4.3Just to further the point about how terrible the media is at reporting the news:

72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly.

Sorry, Elvis. I can’t let this stand.

1. Illegal immagration
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/R40773.pdf
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/28/liberals-seek-health-care-access-for-illegals/
ect.
2. Government takeover

enough said, but I would just like to add that this is the ONLY reason that health care reform is on the table. THE ONLY REASON.
3. Abortion. The Jury is still out on this one, but that it has been pushed to be in is true.
4 “Death Boards”

Get informed Elvis.

“The problem with war is that it diverts attention from the actual news. ”

The actual news…as per this post by Outoftime2009.
I suspect the PURPOSE of the White House “war” on Fox News is to divert attention away from its many failures.

[...] zealous in going after certain media outlets, that group evidently does not include Joe Klein of TIME: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat [...]

The other news networks (of which Time is a part) are left-leaninng while FOX is comservative-leaning.

In a land of free speech, it is inappropriate to suggest that there is somethimg wrong with FOX because it is not also left leaning.

Obama has made a fool of himself on this issue, and if Joe Klein was other than a foot soldier for left-leaning poilicts, he would call him on it.

Joe–you are a buffoon. Have you listened to the trash being peddled on MSNBC lately? Fox did the country a service by exposing the true leanings of guys like Van Jones, who was in a position to dole out billions in federal money. The White House’s response is to try to neuter their political enemies. Obama and his administration are really tough when it comes to dealing with their domestic enemies, but he continues to massage the real enemies of this country. It’s too bad that cowards like Joe Klein can’t understand when the free press is being attacked. Remember what was said in the Holocaust: “When they came for my neighbors and friends and family, I hid. When they came for me, there was no one left.”

You libs crack me up, i am a hard nosed conservative and proud of it , i lost my job awhile ago and great job it was , no it wasn’t because of some ‘layoff’ or closing, it was my own stupid fault, i had great health insurance better than most CEO’S i would say, but you know what i have to get out on the street and cut grass for 10 -15 bucks a yard, you libs complain about what you don’t have so why don’t you get out and try hard work for once, but you won’t because if you did you would have nothing to complain about .
That reminds me of a joke , you know how to starve a lib?Hide his welfare check under his work boots!!!

Joe, I do not watch Fox News as a habit, typically MSNBC’s Morning Joe to start our day, and MSNBC if we watch news during the day, but we have seen Fox enough times to have an opinion.
MSNBC and FOX are Equally as culpable of playing partison. One must only see both of their evening opinion line-ups…one Liberal and one Conservative.
But Joe! To say that their News Branch Lies?! Come On! You’re a Big-Time Guy Joe….Don’t Incite This White House Mistake by Agreeing that Fox News is not only not legitimate, but that they OFTEN Lie! You are adding to the perception that today’s mainstream media is, in fact, a bunch of Far-Left Hitmen.

Fox News, you’ve been exposed. The country, actually the world is on to you. I guess that’s why you’re numbers just keep rising.

Joe Klein is a whiny baby. Boo hoo!

You need to take a longer view. Obama is being played. It’s a test. He’s failed. He’s letting Fox get inside his head. It isn’t just that Fox is the largest by far of the cable outlets it that Fox is one link in a media chain that includes talk radio and the internet, Foxnews at 6PM gets about 10% the total of the networks but a decade ago it was 0%. Bill O’reilly gets a little over 5M a night while Katie Couric gets a little over 5M a night. Bill’s audience increases each year and Katie’s decreases. This time next year Bill will move closer to 6M while Katie will move closer to 4M. By 2012 Bill will likely be over 6M and Katie lucky to be over 4M.

As poorly as Obama has fared Joe has been much worse. He wants to be Krauthammer. Charles is both a journalist and an influencial intellect. Joe Klein gets quoted when he gets stupid, as in seditious. Even his fans on this blog aren’t taking sedition seriously. Charles gets quoted every day. Joe’s problem isn’t O’reilly, Obama’s problem isn’t O’Reilly. Their problem is Charles. His audience on Fox is near 2M. hIs audience after his Fox transcrpit gets reprinted by blogs and talk radio is 20M. Charles is more influencial than Katie, Charlie and Brian combined. Fox made Charles more possible. But they’re only part of the story.

Fox is growing, Time is shrinking. ABCNews is shrinking. Tick, Tick. Tick

Let me be precise here: JOE KLIEN peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue.

THERE! Fixed it!

Joe obviously has a problem with “Truth to Power” while a far left Dictator wannabe is the Whiner-Baby-in-Chief.

TRUTH TO POWER baby, TRUTH TO POWER!!!

“a fair amount of hateful crap”? “Much of it is flat out untrue”? Hah. All of it is hateful crap and all of it is untrue. No serious person considers Joe a legitimate journalist.

The GOP is practically defunct, so if Rush was a wing of the party,the would be totally ineffective and would not have half the audience he has. As Rush says, the GOP never listens to him. Obama is merely a symptom – the pus in the boil. Our political system and our government are irredeemably corrupt and illegitimate. Naturally, Obama and his supporters are going to try to destroy anyone who tells the truth about their crimes against humanity. Liberal fascism is a hate crime that can no longer be tolerated.

53, have you ever had a coherant thought in your lifetime. You probably couldn’t ask your mommy for a cookie without calling her some kind of hateful name. You are the definition of redundant.

Free speech sucks doesn’t it? Obama going after Fox calls more attention to Fox and the issue that’s so distressed Obama. It’s part of the reason Fox will grow another 10% in the next year while the networks will shrink at least 5%.

Obama cannot win this war. It’s a loss of composure. He let Fox inside his head. Further it feeds the impression he’s unusually narcissistic, even for a politician.

Mostly, I think Joe is jealous of all the success of FOX NEWS and the bravery behind all of the people there to tell the facts and Truth!
He does not have the balls to report the Real news.
The scared little girlie man does not want to upset anybody by busting out the truth. awwwww.
Or maybe it is just that his head is so far up Whiner-Babys asssss he forgot how to be a reporter/journalist.???
hmmmmm

TRUTH TO POWER BABY!!!

Don’t flatter yourself lawyer mommy. You lunacy has left you pretty much irrelevant on these blogs. A quick one liner every now and again is about all you can hope for.

Calling him out would spell the end of your career. Ain’t that right Joe?

With all the lawyers B.O has in his backpocket, you would think by now they would have Fox out of business. They must still be in Alaska sifting through Sarah’s trash.

Putting emotion from all sides aside, there are a few serious studies out there that attempt to determine the extent of media bias.

One example is a study at UCLA.

(http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664

There are many findings in the study. In general, this particular study finds Fox no more biased than other mainstream media outlets. I personally find some of Fox’s opinion shows too emotional for my tastes, even if I find some truth in their statements. This is certainly no more so than in similar MSNBC and other shows. I find O’Reilly more of a populist than right wing. While he does confront his guests, he does provide them time to respond and usually have the last word. On the plus side, Fox usually has someone from the other side in comparison to MSNBC.

2thirdrocks,

What a little despicable troll you are. As the little teenagers say, you stink like Barf. You are Barf!

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/criminals-use-technology-to-trackrape-and-kill-innocent-people/

Hateful crap? You mean exposing the fact that several ACORN offices had no trouble in helping to set up houses of prostitution using children? I guess that, to most Lyberals, er, uh, I mean, Progressyves, protecting children from pedophiles is hateful crap.

he says “… the problem is broader–that Fox News spreads seditious lies…”

The problem is that Joe does not give even one example of a lie on Fox, seditious or not.

The lack of a concrete examples of lies speaks volumes.

Perhaps there are no lies…only inconvenient truths.

SOUNDS LIKE A WHITE HOUSE MOUTHPIECE.

So it’s o.k. to quote approvingly from a book arguing liberals are crazy but not a study saying conservatives are crazy? You all are like the bullies from grade school–you can dish it out but you can’t take it.

Welcome to all the new posters.

While searching for some examples of seditious lies from FOX, I stumbled upon a few that originated elsewhere:

TIME MAGAZINE’S libel of Sharon didn’t end so well
(http://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/23/nyregion/sharon-sues-time-magazine-over-article-on-palestinians.html)

CBS/Rather’s coverage of BUSH’s National guard service was false & unprofessional, as I recall.
(http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp)

Why does CNN’s admission of systematically false reporting from Iraq get a pass from the truth police? [http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html].

Is the NY times credibility still intact?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair)

Come over to the darkside. We have cookies.

The only reason that Faux News is an issue is because the rest of the MSM doesn’t have the guts to call it what it really is: The PR arm of the Republican Party.

The right wing is so obsessed with the mindless, irrelevant Palin that they think everyone else is too. That’s called projection, and it’s kind of pathetic.

Have one of each, thank you.

And this explains just why you have never been able to directly respond to any of the statements I’ve made?
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Okaaaaaayyy…

Like some writers here I watch both MSNBC and Fox to get the whole picture. I think they’re both a little over the top.But it’s our job to determine who’s right and who’s wrong. If you’re going to invite one in, you’ve got to invite the other. Otherwise the White House just looks petty.

We offer you unspeakable pleasures, as well…

Let’s hear some details. Are they truly unspeakable or just out of the acceptable mainstream of perversions? Are we talking about a feather or the whole chicken?

Over 270 posts! I don’t know if we’d get this many posts if KT posted a “1000 Words” that showed Ann Coulter leaving Rush’s house with a strap-on.

I’m thinking the whole chicken here, sacred. Teabagging, sacred rites with the Great White Whale, closet tango with Sara the Dominatrix, you snooze, you looze.
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Can we offer less?

We owe it all to FOXworld. See the zany cooties crawl from that rock over there?
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And that one. And that one. Damn, sacred, I asked Joe to please flush it out.
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Seriously, sacred, this is what that alternative universe is like. I think someone went and tweaked the spin of psions to be 3/2, and this is what you get when you fock with mother nature…

Um, even then, I wouldn’t call it a case of Joe kicking the hornets’ nest either, cause these ain’t hornets. These are pallid, flabby grublike things.
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Oh, hell, they’re dittoheads…

Dont worry Sacredh. Fox won’t be able to stop Barry from sending you your monthly welfare check.

I’m starting to wonder if the whole 20% of the voters that identify themselves as republicans decided to roost here. There has to have been a link posted somewhere to get all the new people. I just had a scary thought. What if they stay? We’re going to be seriously outnumbered and then we’ll be the trolls on their site.

Well, you know what, sacred, even if they could, when the next Joe Klein pops up somewhere else, they’ll have to chase after him there.
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Can’t be in two places at once, you know.
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Think of it as right wing “whack-a-mole”…

mges123: I already get the best welfare check there is. I work for Uncle Sugar. Just months away from a government pension. I look forward to spending all your money.

For that matter sacred, I would have to say that I’m truly glad I’m not POTUS, if this is any indication at all.
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Imagine what it would be like with this particular batch running around loose with guns.
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Oh, I forgot. He already has experienced that, with the health care forums.
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Al Queda 0, GOP crackpots, 11…

Hey sacred, now that you mention it, do you think maybe you could give them what they want, then, afore you retire?
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Like put an end to all this income redistribution they whine about.
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I’m certain they won’t mind you starting with the subsidies for rural communities like the Rural Technology Initiative, right? I mean, then they’d have no cable!
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Even worse?
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They couldn’t get access to the internet!
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Hells bells, sacred, then, after that, you could take their water, sewer, education, health, transportation, agriculture…

One of my conservative friends has already told me that he’s getting me a copy of Palin’s book for Christmas. I’m thinking of making a donation to a gay right’s group inhis name so that they pester him for more donations. I did it a few years ago and he went beserk.

I know you do. Can you imagine if you actually had to work a day in your life and contribute something to this country? No freebies and handouts. WOW. Your existence would actually have some value. It’s a good thing you can continue your worthlessness.

Hell, sacred!
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Here is an idea that will really blow his aorta:
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Make numerous donations in his name to ACORN!
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He’ll be a candidate for a colostomy…

That’s a pretty good idea. Oh course they might just turn to making crystal meth in their bathtubs to make ends meet. Wanna bet they can’t wait for the Levi spread in Playgirl? Hearts will be aflutter.

most people can’t handle the truth.fox news is the best source for the real facts,not the mumbo jmbo bunch of lies from talk shows,cnn,msbc,abc,nbs,cbs,bet.net work.
understanding right from wrong is what they do best..as a american citizen we should be proud that one news station is very truthful.

proud to watch fox news.

skodaintercontinental

Hearts will be aflutter
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What about the women?
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That’s a serious question, sacred, given the large number of “outings” that have taken place in recent years…

mges123: Thank you so much! Maybe I’ll postpone retirement to avoid the risk of a “real” American getting my job. I’m from the government. I’m here to help you. BWAAHAHAHA.

“best source for the real facts,not the mumbo jmbo bunch of lies from talk shows,cnn,msbc,abc,nbs,cbs,bet.net work.”
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Why doesn’t he just cut to the chase and say that the rest of the planet is wrong, and that he’s right?
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I mean, seriously…

ACORN it is! What a great idea.

Sacred, how about just be fair about this.
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Make him pay for his own infrastructure instead of making us pay for it. Fair is fair, right?
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Hells bells, just who really is the welfare queen here, anyway. If you ask me, since his tax base is nowhere near big enough to pay it, and nearly 1/3rd of my tax dollars go to him, I would say that, well, um, he is!
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Hell, go for it sacred. Take it out of his next check!
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And his next, and his next, and his next….

The census is coming up. Hide the women and children! Don’t let them be counted! Pretend you’re not at home instead of just out to lunch.

Gotta go sacred. Have to pick up my daughter from work.
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Maybe tomorrow Obama in a generous gesture to these right wing crackheads, will end those rural subsidies and let them farm dirt.
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That’ll larn ‘em…

That’s so unfair. No more new wife beater t-shirts. No more pork rinds. Forget the subscription to Guns and Ammo. They won’t be able to afford to inbreed anymore. You’re cruel 53_3.

I’m outta here too. Gotta go to “work”. haha

what they dont want you to know

cnn is a discrace to the hard working americans,nbc,abc,msnbc,bet and cbs are the next ones on the list.

if we could add the i.q. of all those stations it still would not beat o’reily or cavutto.

with the press bad mouthing one of the better presidents we have had in the last 100 years,bush was not that bad at all. the problem was people forgot to think for themselves.bush had to deal with 911 and katrina.in both cases he succeeded.katrinna he did everything he can to help,people where lazy and refused his help the mayor and governor,the reason they did not want the american people to know that the census was wrong they where billing us hard working americans for hundreds of thousand of people that did not precide there ..

with the new boob in the whitehouse we are losing jobs at an amazing rate,this is caused with raising taxes on the manufactures means less money for them to hire new employees.. pretty simple logic ower taxes and create jobs

raising taxes on the wealthy means less jobs why should the burden be on the ones that create work,mabey the problem is many people are lazy and want something for nothing.

why are the educated people having less kids and the poor people think it is there right to make kids.finacial responsability they had fun making them they should have fun raising them without our help.
skodaintercontinental

Joe,

If you were not so ridiculous with your wording, you might make sense. The notion that there is “seditious lies” language with NO facts to back it up makes your premise FALSE. Your argument is weak to begin with, and your use of the word “sophiticated” begets a naivety that belittles your positon. Perhaps if you had any objectivity, the “garbage” that you are spreading might lead to actual treporting.

You do make me smile, however. Your comments remind me of the famous quote “Sound and fury….signifying nothing.”

cnn is like having bad gas it never goes away, they are not the best reporters in the world that is for sure.

cant trust a news post that married jane fonda she should have charged with treason ad ted married here.

bad taste bad news what more should we exspect

trust my news source fox and only fox news

skodaintercontinental

Make sure you bring the car with extra large seats.

“trust my news source fox and only fox news”
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Hell yes! Damn those torpedoes! F*ck the Risperdal! Full speed ahead! Stay the course!
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Let’s put an end to those tax dollar suckin’ loonies! End that income redistribution! Make all Americans pay their fair share!
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Hells yes! Let’s end the subsidies for “real America”.
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You suckers are such loozers that you don’t realize that you suck up more tax dollars than the poor ever did. In an average year, seven times as much!
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Hell yes, make those welfare suckers in “real America” pay for their own damned infrastructure.
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Let’s take your highways, electrical grid, your rural health subsidies, your agricultural research, data, and technology, and your Rural Technology Initiative, your school subsidies, your water delivery systems, your irrigation…

Now, now, take your medicine…

Mabey your school passed yew case yew culdn’t spel and they gived up on yer…

NewsBusters — Time’s Joe Klein: Fox Peddles Hateful Crap Bordering On Sedition
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/24/times-joe-klein-fox-peddles-hateful-crap-bordering-sedition

Can you eat dust?
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Can you drink air?
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Hope so. You see, the poor only take a few percent. You, though, take 1/3 of my tax dollars. I pay for your right to freedom of speech here, and everywhere else.
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How’re you gonna do without my money, sucka…

Hell, annelids are smarter…

Do they make crutches for brains?
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Nevermind…

Gee, a Pravda stenographer from the Time Warner Industrial Complex actually types what the Teleprompter tells him to type about CNN’s kick-ass rival news network?

Gee, who’da thunk it, huh?

Next thing you know, GE’s going to “feel a tingle up its leg”, causing it to likewise smear Fox News in payback for all the billions the parent company is getting from taxpayers for “green” GE technology and socialized medicine and “cap and trade” “global warming” hoax… Oh, wait! MSNBC is already slandering Fox News on their never-watched evening lineup. I forgot.

“Hateful crap”
“Borders on sedition”

Little Joey, you certainly follow directions from The One religiously.

And this right after The Establishment declared war on Fox News, have censored them since, and even tried to kick them out of the White House press pool Friday.

I guess all your protestations about the First Amendment’s sanctity for freedom of the press was just for when YOU thought you were “speaking truth to power”, huh?

In fact, now you’re even accusing Fox News of the very charge you little lefties bristled out the most, when your fevered imagination inferred that you were being accused of being unpatriotic when Bush was president.

But now YOU call your competitor, Fox News, “bordering on sedition.”

(See Freud, Sigmund: theory of projection)

LoL. You’re killin me Joe. Sedition? How unhinged of you. Too, how do you feel about the consistent expansion of the “demographic sliver” who watch the FoxNews and other more centrist media? You can expect to see it grow as long as you lot keep on the hyperpartisan path you’re on – which you will because you’re so blind to it. LoL

Kudos to FN for not stooping to Obama’s level by treating his unprecedented assault as professionally as possible.

It’s odd to watch a liberal sadsack like Klein rail against FOX News.

He is the same journalist who lied about his role in “Primary Colors.” And let’s not forget his ultra-liberal, GOP_bashing Echo Chamber, “JournoList.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html

TIME likes to hire lefties and Marxists. Watching this motley crew — Klein used to write for the hysterical leftie publication, Rolling Stone, so who is he to whine about FOX? — throw stones at the right — is both sad and funny.

Your entry reminded me alot about this entry: http://tinyurl.com/yjn47zg

I love the line, “Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap”, then in the same article he calls Hannity a “thug” and Beck a “weirdo”. Class act.
Beck and Hannity do not claim to be journalist. They are paid to elicit debate. Klein is a journalist that uses his position to give his editorial view of one side of a debate under the guise of ‘news’. He is entitled to his opinion, but if you disagree with him then you are full of “hateful crap”.

Doesn’t FOX have a right to look into a member of the White House or a tax exempt group that is accepting government funds? I thought that was the whole idea of a “free” press. Was the story of ACORN or Van Jones wrong? Or can they only report what the government approves of? I seem to remember something written a few years ago:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Would Joe Klein of broken these stories? I doubt it.

RIP Time Magazine.

Geez, Joe, got your panties in a wad back east?
Fox is neither “hateful” or “seditious”. Of all the network and cable news/comment operations, only Fox fairly represents conservative/libertarian viewpoints. I watch Fox a lot. I also watch MSNBC and CNN for “flavor” and opposing views. Fox has far more “opposition” (liberal/left) on its news and comment shows than either MSNBC or CNN. Using the word “seditious” should remind us all that the First amendment is a fragile thing and dupes like Klein are trying to chip away at it all the time. Finally, I thought, “dissent is American”? I guess only if you’re back stabbing American troops in combat zones. Of all the nonsense I’ve read from Klein, this takes the cake.
If Bush’s WH would have gone after NBC/MSNBC or CNN like Axelrod, Emmanuel, Anita Dunn (Chairman Mao a favored philosopher??) there would be a volcano in the middle of Times Square and the world would be coming to an end in a Fascist takeover. Get real.

Thank goodness Time’s political page still has that link to the Ted Kennedy feature on the main index (two months and counting). I was starting to think that Time was way to right wing. I remember they had stories on Reagan’s death for a whole two weeks. I wonder how many more glowing articles about Teddy there are in Time’s archives compared to Reagan?.
I hope they can find a way to put Obama on the cover soon. It has been only a few weeks since they have brought glory to the ” Chosen One”
What a joke this magazine has become.

The thing I find most amusing about party shills like Joe Klein, is that there is an utter silence when someone says ‘well if FNC is opinion masquerading as news, then what is MSNBC?’

ANYONE with half an ounce of sense or a brain can see that Olbermann and Maddow are just as opinionated and ‘elusive’ with the news as O’Reilly, Beck and Hannity are.

To make matters worse though, when Olby and Maddow go on vacation one of their ‘straight news guys’ Lawrence O’Donnell fills in bleeding the margins between ‘the news’ and ‘the opinions’ and you better believe O’Donnell does his best pit bull routine for his DNC masters when he is on the air.

It’s a joke. I won’t even get into the rest of cable/network news. (ABC’s 1 hour infomercial for ObamaCare that didn’t present ONE single opposing viewpoint. This is ‘hard news’?!?!?)

You can be mad at FNC for skewing right all you want (and obviously doing well because their ratings DWARF the other cables nets…COMBINED) but to ignore the fact that EVERY other media outlet ranges from being supportive to fully in the DNC’s pocket is to be willfully ignorant or a flat out liar.

Dear Mr. Klein,

I find your criticism of Fox News quite amusing. If it wasn’t for Fox and the commentators you demean, the american people would not have seen the town hall meeting gatherings, the 9-12 march on Washington, the Van Jones travesty, the Charlie Rangel tax cheat hypocracy, and other news stories that you and your magazine choose to ignore. You are no longer a journalist and your magazine is no longer a quality magazine but a political media outlet.

I’ll take Fox News over Time magazine anyday.

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http://www.journalism.org/node/13436#fn1

FOXNEWS provided the most balanced cable coverage of the 2008 presidential election among major news outlets (CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS) and likely the most balanced of all six outlets (NBC, CBS, ABC included), although they oddly didnt release the latter three network’s numbers. Keep in mind, while Pew bills itself as Independent, it certainly leans to the left, which is probably why they didnt release all the numbers. God forbid they stated FoxNews was the most fair of any television network, as it’s doubtful any network bested the Fox numbers below since the Fox positive/negative are almost a perfect match. Interestingly, while they released the numbers for MSNBC and FOX, they didnt release individual CNN numbers, choosing to say it closely reflected the “Total Coverage” numbers below, putting it somewhere between MSNBC and FOX.

The Best (least biased) and the Worst (most biased) news coverage?

BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%

TOTAL COVERAGE (all media added together – 2,412 stories from 48 outlets)
Positive Obama Stories 36%
Positive McCain Stories 14%
Negative Obama Stories 29%
Negative McCain Stories 57%

And FOX is bad guy…lol.

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I could go on and on, but I just want to mention that my overall opinion of Time magazine is that its PURE CRAP. Leftist leaning garbage.

Just one recent example. In the supermarket checkout stand I saw the cover with Obama resembling a doctor, and this again reminded me that what these “wingnuts” on the right are saying about mainstream media is so true. Obama aint no doctor, and to quote Joe, Obama aint qualified to be President. Still.

Yah, when we see lefties trying to destroy the USA, while more countries are turning right, we get mad. I am truly looking forward to the day when Time stops wasting valuable paper, and presumably this day is coming soon. God Speed!

The democrat party of perpetual fraud is getting exposed and the female poodle in the White House is just having a hissy fit. Joe Klein you jerk, 90% of the MSM are registered democrats. You A-holes are not journalists or reporters, you are an extended wing of the treasonous democrat party.

“TO BE BRIEF, YOUR WORDS ARE KILLING US”

Do your recall these words? How about you 53-3 and any of your friends.

Joe you gutless lying POS, this BS post is nothing but a teat for molested democrat delinquents like 53-3 and his ilk to suck on.

Democrats can’t stand FOX because they expose the democrat party for what the are, criminals, liars and frauds. The reason democrats have to lie about and deny the MSM’s Liberal Bias is because it is ” ELECTION FRAUD” pure and simple.

Why does my 83 year old mother believe that it is Republicans that raise taxes after Bush A Republican cut taxes for everybody that paid taxes? She doesn’t watch any cable news. Furthermore, I didn’t need FOX NEWS or Talk Radio to figure out that the party of democrats were gutless lying incompetent bed wetters. They didn’t even exist to me until after the Nov.2,2004 Presidential Election when I voted Republican for the first time ending 16 years of blindly and ignorantly voting straight democratic.

I’m a registered democratic AMERICAN not a registered democrat. All the hate and lies spewed by the democrat leaders and repeated by their brain dead lemmings had the opposite affect on me. Never having called myself a democrat made it that much easier to despise these traitors who betrayed my Country undermining the President of the United State and the American Soldiers in a time of WAR.

“TO BE BRIEF, YOUR WORDS ARE KILLING US”

Remember these words yet?

Now these traitorous seditious pukes want to project what they are guilty of and all the despicable acts that only they engage in onto Americans (Republicans/Conservatives)? Hell no!

Democrats think they can use transference to wash themselves of the fact that they are the domestic enemy of this Country. Hell NO!

The lowdown democrats must destroy the Republican Name Brand out of desperation to level the playing field. “CLINTONIZING” President Bush to this day.

Why?

DEMOCRATS CANNOT WIN BY MERIT OR HONESTY.

Democrats have doomed themselves to a life of lies and betrayal of this Country and they know it. They will stop at nothing like crackheads to continue their deceit, desperate to hold on to power and disdain for anyone not like them who exposes them. They chose to divide this Country and are no longer American by choice. There is nothing American about them having adopted the beliefs and ideals of the enemy hundreds of thousands of AMERICANS have given their lives to defeat.

Democrats abuse the sacrifices of those who died by abusing the freedom of speech they would never die for. You punk little cowards make me want to puke.

This Country belongs to AMERICANS not democrats.

The problem is that the rest of the media, including Joe Klein, is totally in the tank for Obama. He might as well put on a short skirt and grab a pompon for all the independence he shows from the government line. We have become a typical country that has a government media (everyone but Fox) and an opposition media (Fox). It’s typical of a tinpot dictator to try to silence the opposition media. That’s the level Obama is sinking to.

Joe Klien ……..a third rate blogger who has to supplement his income by appearing on MSNBC which Fox News beats consistently in the ratings by 10 to 20 times ….depending on whether its the Mancow, Olberbloat or Tingles show !!

Joe Klein ……a has been who has to throw the libbers a bone to stay relevant with the Osama Road Show crowd !!

Joe Klein …..writing in SWAMPLAND ….how appropriate …..priceless !!

One third of your tax dollars eh 53? Does your mommy take that out of your allowance before she pays you or do you file at the end of the year? I get the feeling You and BHO have a lot in common. A couple of spoiled little punks who never worked a day in their life.

The gist I am getting from the left here is that cause I watch Fox I is stupid. Yes, I watch Fox, I have a bachelers digree from a college, a state univ of course, being that I watch Fox. If I watched CNN perhaps I coulda gone to an elite univ. in the northeastern part of Russia. Hah, but I am a republican and we are only 23% of registered voters but we ruled for many years because we are stupid and watch Fox. My democrat friends who go to public school in the great liberal bastions of N.Y. and Chicago and L.A. are dropping out of high scholl at the rate of 40% but they are smart because they watch CNN.

Joe Klein, reliable hyper-partisan shill for “dear leader.” anyone that could possible defend in print this admins approach to afghanistan, iran, israel, is simply a simpleton. ditto for the “stimulus” lie, call for even higher tax rates, etc. As for the loons on this board complaining about who owns FOX, other such blather, here’s the bottom line. The American people have made Bill O’Reilly the #1 rated commentator on television, year after year. I have no comment on O’Reilly, but I’m not the type of arrogant a-hole that will deny fact. And the fact is that the American people seek an alternative to the state-run blather of Time/CNN/AOL, and that is why they turn to FOX in droves. It’s your problem, MSM, not the people’s. And generally, they are smarter and more balanced than you are. So wise up, or die. Actually, strike that, because I prefer the latter…..

Gotta go get your daughter from work,yeah that’s a hoot. It’s more likely that mommy’s calling for you to get your jammies on for beddie-bye time. Don’t forget to change you’re underoos, you mouthy little punk.

Amen!! Keep it coming!

Well, at least he did not start the article off by denouncing Fox News as a “racist” bunch. That is refreshing. But it was slightly disappointing not to see a single example of the “hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue” that Fox News is alleged to engage in. And of course, we all know without a doubt that not one of the other network news organizations could possibly be accused of spewing anything like the dribble that Fox News airs. But other than those small details, it was an awesome article.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/23/outfoxed/#add-your-comment#ixzz0UxDEcXod

Aww com on now sacred. Yuo know you’d do ‘er.

Unspeakable pleasures. Would that by chance be those illegal, underage El Salvadorean prostitutes? You’re mothership Acorn is calling you back 53.

That’s funny. I didn’t know the Obama administration was directly responsible for funding ACORN. But yet that’s what Klein’s first paragraph implies. Idiotic. Also, I’m tired of people claiming that ACORN was this awful nefarious corrupt organization when the so-called hard-hitting expose filmed and funded by two conservative dopes was an admitted conservative plot to “destroy” them based on the fact that they had registered a lot of minority voters. How is that news? How is that “proof” that ACORN was a dangerous organization that needed to be de-funded? Why are we a better country for knowing that some dummies were (illegally) taped saying silly things at an ACORN office?

Hey 2/3rds!
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Insulting me will get you everywhere!
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Except on the train to a rebuttal of the facts…

Wow, what a lot of sh!t!
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These aren’t “Everready Bunnies”, these are Rabid Roaches on Crack!
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“When I plays, I plays hard”
“When I thinks, I goes to sleep…

Is this guy Joe actually getting paid for this kind of crap ? He wouldn’t last 2 weeks on a High School paper. What fantasy world is he living in ?

If sedition is defined as subverting the Constitution then your man B-Daddy is the only one attempting such an act.

The left though defines it as anyone that is not in total agreement with their agenda, so I guess 57% of Americans are seditious?

Hateful? Let’s see you mean like saying Americans that don’t agree with B-Daddy are domestic terrorists?

Untrue reporting, you mean like ginning up false documents about a sitting president and publishing them as if they were fact with zero background check?

LMAO, how do you even take yourself seriously?

The Prestitutes just cant get enough of the B-Daddy up inside of them, which of you will be B-Daddy’s Bottom Biatch this week?

When loser’s like Klein write an article for a magazine that is losing readers maybe it is time for the people who own this rag to stop and think that they have bet on the wrong horses.

Fox is doing well because truth resonates with its viewers. MSNBC, NBC, ABC, NPR, CBS, and CNN resonate with the viewers who like this type of biased reporting.

Watch all of these shows and see how many conservatives are on those networks. Sure they like to tell us how conservatives think – as if we can’t do it for ourselves. But this is in fact the problem. The liberal media wants to define the problem along with the solution while cutting out opposing viewpoints.

Perhaps instead of trying to make Fox look like a “seditious” organization they should realize that the crap they are peddling just isn’t being bought by the general population. Please study your patriarchs from the past and understand what journalism is about. Two young people did exactly that without your incredible news budgets and busted one of the largest racketeering organizations in America – ACORN.

Perhaps your screaming at FOX brings back the line “I think the lady doth protest too much” and are trying to cover up the real problem – the liberal news has become irrelevant.

I don’t see where WH stating the obvious about Fox rises to the level of a declaration of war. Just a little well-deserved disrespect. What’s wrong with that?

I think the stoic thing was tried by the Clinton Administration and found not to work. In excess it gives legs to idiot stories like haircutgate and encouragement to the lunatic fringe.

A little returning of fire also pressures overly comfortable corporate journalists to note Fox’s history of flunking Factchecks.

Sorry lakester, but perspective is just what your reply lacks. Of course most people aren’t watching cable news most of the time – irrespective of the point of view that dominates a particular channel. So yes, if you want to find a viewership number that makes Fox news viewership look like a “sliver” you can. Just note that real market researchers know that when you’re looking at a “share” it only makes sense to compare direct competitors. And if you look at relevant market you’ll see that Fox way outscores its true competitors.

You really can’t wish away their substantial viewership, and the large scale dissent from current administration’s direction by making innumerate comparisons. White House strategists know better – that’s why they’re so concerned.

Joe Klein,
Pot, meet the kettle.

Brain, meet rock…

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Having Fox News as PART OF my source list for news has been proven invaluable time again. Someone prior said that the truth just has a certain ‘ring’ to it. People just sense when they are being lied to/misled. After faithfully researching many, many stories reported on fox and NOT reported on other MSM, I am convinced that Fox News reports the truth as they know it at the time. ACORN and Jones being the two most prominent examples, the ‘reporting’ began on the opinion stage and as the evidence mounted with audio and video from the source (of all places) Jones said the things he was accused of. ACORN was recorded on video as to what they did. The fact that these were not just accusations from one mouth to our ear and were actually recorded and replayed in their own voice, that says volumes to the credibility.

I trust Beck, not because he is loud and opinionated, but because – with little exception – his stories all check out. You have the freedom to choose not to listen. That is your choice but for me and about 3M others (daily) I will to choose to listen to what I sense in my gut as the truth. If you disagree it is easy to prove opinion as false. Just provide fact that oppose the ‘facts’ as presented. So far I have heard very little in the way of substantive facts that oppose the stories as reported on Fox. Until I do, they are to be included in my list of news sources and will watch with great confidence.

If Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter had a baby it might be Jimmy Nixon.

BHO is Jimmy Nixon.

I voted for Obama like lots of others. But buyer beware. He isn’t as advertised. I underestimated the degree of Chicago-style politics he would bring with him. He’ll say anything. It doesn’t seem to matter. He must have file cabinets full of data on his ‘enemies’

He is going down as a crimminal like Nixon

If Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter had a baby it might be Jimmy Nixon.

BHO is Jimmy Nixon.

I voted for Obama like lots of others. But buyer beware. He isn’t as advertised. I underestimated the degree of Chicago-style politics he would bring with him. He’ll say anything. It doesn’t seem to matter. He must have file cabinets full of data on his ‘enemies’

He is going down as a criminal like Nixon or an idiot clown like the anti-semit Carter.

This is pathetic, Klein, and total BS. Sit your liberal uninformed butt down one afternoon and watch MSNBC’s far-left lineup of 5 solid hours of Republican bashing before you throw stones at Fox. Schuster, Schultz, the drooling Chris Matthews, followed by the vile Olbermann and followed up by Rachel Madcow and THEN tell me what network spews the lies and hate.

This is pathetic, Klein, and total BS. Sit your liberal uninformed butt down one afternoon/evening and watch MSNBC’s far-left lineup of 5 solid hours of Republican bashing before you throw stones at Fox. Schuster, Schultz, the drooling Chris Matthews, followed by the vile Olbermann and followed up by Rachel Madcow and THEN tell me what network spews the lies and hate.

Rusty I’ve got to disagree with you just a skoshe. I was a Time reader for many years and I can remember when Joe Klein was an actual reporter and actually worth reading – as was Time as a whole. But long ago they went over the bias falls, seemingly together.

All the hate, bile, and screaming nonsense that Joe and his pals on here are so willing to blame on Fox is actually just a milder version of the stuff they peddle themselves. As you so correctly point out – it’s just that it’s a liberal saying it so it’s “different”. Go back and read Joes love filled columns from 2007 on. It’s hate and hate and more hate.

Thank god for Fox News, at least there is one media outlet not peddling that pure, sweet, liberal truth.

Whine all you want libs: you’re still 5 networks and 2 news weeklies ahead of us. It just galls you that you don’t have them all. Maybe you should grow up?

“THE most watch [sic] news network in America” is this: there is a significant benighted minority unwilling to let honest reporting interfere with their prejudices.”

Hey not just the most watched – watched by the most balanced audience in cable news too!

38% of Fox’s audience self identifies as Democrats – and there really is no more “benighted minority” than Democrats is there?

MSNBC features a full 90% democrat audience and CNN 80%. Now that’s balance! Of course it’s news: everyone on it agrees with me! Right?

More like fleeing TO the right. It’s amazing to watch liberals wander through life with rose colored Obama glasses.AS usual there’s zero commentary on just what was this big lie FOX has told. Just about all of it is either video, or the actual comments from different interviews. You may think appointing czars without any Congressional oversight, into positions, that not only set policies, but have input into bills in the process of being written. You may not care that a man like Jones is an avowed communist, but most freedom loving Americans find it appalling. And ACORN, how can anyone with a modicum of common sense even begin to defend that corrupt organization. If the right was as crazy as some liberals would like to think, there would be a case for a recount, just based on the fact that over 30% of the voters they register are fraudulent.
You people are really catching on to your leader and his Alinsky tactics, demonizing your opponents without having to address the issues. Shame on TIME for reprinting this mans extremism. The left has developed some sort of collective amnesia, they seem to forget they way they conducted themselves for the last eight years. Everyone has a bias to his opinion. What has happened to democrats?

with a handle like that, I’d go crawl back under a rock.
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Oh! BTW!
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I almost forgot!
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Did you know that Al Queda has been caught four times (publicly) this year, and has killed no one?
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Did you also know that your compatriots have killed no less than eleven Americans in terrorist activities during the same time period?
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One of which was last week.
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Well hells bells, sickfock, I’d guess that the GOP is the new Al Queda!
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Who woulda thunk…

Oh, I forgot, to point out to you loonie crackheads that the terrorist acts I referred to were on American soil.
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Taste the waste, you fockers…

Seems to me that these guys, particularly Racheal Maddow, have a rather nasty habit of backing up their contentions with actual documentation.
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Life sucks, don’t it, 1960.
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I was born in 54, but it seems to me, it’s you that never grew up…

Need facts, jackhole!

Born in’54 my aunt Fannie. I think you’re just a wet behind the ears punk still nursing at mommies teat.

53_3,

There’s a sucker born every minute, and you must be the biggest one of 1954.
You freaks that only think that free speech works one way are like the nasty schoolboys that start rumors about others that they are jealous of. MSNBC is the most biased, lying, PATHETIC “news” network that could ever be imagined. 5 solid hours every evening of nasty name-calling and “commentary” is the premise of the entire company.
Make things up claiming that Limbaugh said them-it’s A-OK with you. Calling anyone that disagrees with Obama’s socialist policies “racists” is fine in your demented tiny mind.
Grow a pair-watch Fox news and point out the “lies” that are being told. Get your head out of Olbermann’s butt and stop worshiping the leftie loons long enough to figure out what’s REALLY going on-or do you CARE?

That is the biggest joke of all this, the claim that FOX News lies. The ones who are deceiving the American people live in the White House. And the “sliver” of an audience is complete denial!!! FOX News is a huge success and will not change for the Chicago thugs in this administration…Keep it up FOX

Joe, thank you for the one meaningul paragraph in your article.

“If the problem is that stories bloated far beyond their actual importance–ACORN’s corruption, Van Jones’s radical past–are in danger of leaching out of the Fox hothouse into the general media, then perhaps the Administration should be a bit more diligent about whom it hires and whom it funds.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/23/outfoxed/#ixzz0UzRNwEQJ

And remember when what you just qutoed was revealed to be an urban legend? Or did you miss that, truthsayer?

[...] OutFoxed? Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is [...] [...]

“These aren’t “Everready Bunnies”, these are Rabid Roaches on Crack!”

What is your obsession with crack and crackheads. Are you a popcorn mo Fo? Do you think crack and crackheads are cool just because Barry was crackhead dope fiend?

Jesus loves you (even if we don’t).

Do Sarah? Only if I was single. My wife and I pledged fidelity and undying love when we got married. She also pledged to separate my nuts from my body if I ever strayed. I believe my little cupcake.

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“There’s a sucker born every minute, and you must be the biggest one of 1954.”
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Insult, no content.
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“You freaks that only think that free speech works one way are like the nasty schoolboys that start rumors about others that they are jealous of. MSNBC is the most biased, lying, PATHETIC “news” network that could ever be imagined. 5 solid hours every evening of nasty name-calling and “commentary” is the premise of the entire company.”
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Opinion. Strike two. No facts here.
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“Make things up claiming that Limbaugh said them-it’s A-OK with you. Calling anyone that disagrees with Obama’s socialist policies “racists” is fine in your demented tiny mind.”
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A little content, but here is a cure:
http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
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What does the Black community say? As far a Limbaugh is concerned, I’ve heard him say “those things”. so far, failure on your part. And as far as endemic racism in the GOP, I have a sh!tload of videos if you wan’t em. We’ll next take a look at O’Reilly’s “Fall of White Power” interview with John McCain.
THIS, my really stupid idiot, is ON FOX!

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“Grow a pair-watch Fox news and point out the “lies” that are being told. Get your head out of Olbermann’s butt and stop worshiping the leftie loons long enough to figure out what’s REALLY going on-or do you CARE?”
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Just handed you three:
1. The Black community
2. Endemic racism in the GOP
3. Limbaugh racist comments
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School’s out 1960, Looks to mee you oh-ferred, crackhead…

Just handed you some 2/3rds.
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So far, you’ve oh-ferred too! I’ve not seen you rebut one single fact on any of the threads I’ve chastised you on!
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Like I said, 2/3rds, your great at insults, very inventive, but well, hell, when it comes to those fact thingies, yer, well, let’s just say that you are sorely lacking.
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Looks like you’ve oh-ferred, too…

Nice insult, 2/3rds of a nut, but you are still oh-fer!

Here, 2/3rds of a nut:
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
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Census worker:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jsH4Y17fx_KCpFI8tPeuc43H3YOQ
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Also, Southern Poverty Law Center:
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp
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Like I said, 2/3rds of a nut, taste the waste…

It stinks in here, don’t it sacred.
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Watch that turd behind you…

Crackheads get violent and angry at the drop of a hat, just like you loonies. You’d think there is at least one aorta safe among the lot of you, but I’m afraid not.
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I haven’t seen any evidence whatsoever that Obama is any of those things, so your comments are just gratuitous. No content whatsoever.
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However. However!
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There is no doubt that Rush Limbaugh is and was an Oxycontin addict and goes to the Dominican Republic for sex-on-the-sly. There’s also no question that his term, coined just for people like you, implies a lack of ability to think and a robotic willingness to follow him.
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Happy teabagging, roblaca…

Actually roblaca, I stand corrected:
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I may have focused too closely on the crackhead thing because of all the spittle and rage. There is one other possibility:
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rabies…

Please feel free to offer zero substantial evidence of your claim, Mr. Klein. Joe, this acrimony oriented at Fox is simply your conscience telling you how culpable you are for failing to be a responsible journalist.

If a major news organization was really guilty of “flat out” being untrue; any person with with half-a-brain will requiring much more than “just because”. Fox is pulling back the curtain like responsible journalists should, and Klein is on the other side trying to close it, while zipping up his britches.

Enjoy your descent, sir.

stew65:

My response was to the “conservatives are crazy” study. I didn’t waste my time reading the earlier “liberals are crazy” post so I have no idea what that’s about. You need to open your mouth and reinsert your thumb. Once you’re comfortable again, consider swatting that victim chip off your shoulder.

Speaking of gasbags, ifthethunderdontgetya, you links to some opinion pieces don’t empress me. Try this for overall rating of fox vs the other cable channels and look at O Reilly’s numbers. Also please note that the original info. came from Nielson.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_thursday_october_22_141165.asp

The fact that Joe states that the ACORN and Van Jones story have no actual importance says it all. EVERYONE know that if these 2 issues were tied to a Republican they would have been MSM for at least a week. We would probably be having congressional hearings going on right now to get to the bottom of things. Joe, your bias is blatantly obvious. Time this is why I don’t read you anymore. I only get hear from links at other sites.

Well. went to all of your sites 53, and found just what I suspected. Nothing. I did find one site though, which spews the same hatred that you do. The top 10 racist comments by Rush were just as I thought, a bunch of he said that he said this and that, with absolutely no substantiation. A hate site clear and simple. For you to even bring up such a site leaves us no doubt as to what you are all about. You are the black community’s biggest enemy. You and others like you are what keeps your race down. It’s sad. I know too many decent black people who feel the same way that I do. Any gains they make in society are quickly erased by your hateful doctrine. A select few discovered years ago that all they had to do was blame whitey, and they could get away with anything they wanted. The democratic party realized quickly that they could capitalize on this and have done very well at it. Their gain has been your loss, for decades now. The democrat doctrine is this clear and simple: let’s throw them a bone once in a while, but at all cost, keep them dumb. That way we are always guaranteed their vote. Let’s lower the education standards in our school system, that way they can all have highschool diplomas, that way they’ll think they are smart. As a result we graduate a whole generation of dummies, black and white.( Do you know that blacks don’t have to have the same GPA as whites to get into most colleges?) Let’s throw in a little affirmative action. We have to have a certain amount of minorities in the higher paid jobs, even if they’re not qualified. That diminishes our country’s greatness, and sadly, even endangers lives. Black people came to our republican headquarters in the little town in which I live, and said can I vote for Obama here? First we had to explain to them that it wasn’t election day yet, and when they asked why there was nothing but Mcain pictures and info, we had to explain to them that this was the republican headquarters, and that Obama was a democrat. They didn’t even know the difference between the parties. They thanked us by emptying the candy dishes and trashing the restrooms. At the MVA, it was the same thing. “i wanna vote for Obama”. “Well sir you can register here. What polical party are you?” ” I don’t know, whatever one Obama is”. Again, so sad. And that’s just how the DNC planned it. Keep ‘em dumb. Rush Limbaugh is not a racist! I say this because I listen to the man daily and have done so for acouple of decades now. You do not listen to him, and never have, if you say you have you are a LIAR! Acouple of sound bites taken out of context and that is all! I ask you for facts and you send me to a hatesite! I have no hatred for the black man. I do however despise the liberal policies that have kept him in the situation he’s in. You on the other hand are a bigot and racist through and through. Your hatred accomplishes nothing more than to breed more hatred. You live on these blogs, which are dominated basically by liberals, but I don’t hear anyone going along with you. You are a detriment to the black race, an enemy to the one you call brother!

It is crap like this that pushed me away from the Democratic Party. Talk about whiny, name-calling diatribes, this takes the cake. The liberal wing of our populace is not capable of having a rational discussion of facts. Emotional name-calling is the modus operandi. Finger point and shriek some pabulum. Reminds me of the 1978 version of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. The liberals, mindless and emotionless, pointing fingers at the real people, calling them out for not succumbing to the aliens’ wishes. I refuse to pick up a Time magazine even while waiting in a doctor’s office.

Mr. Klein,
Sedition is a strong term. Accusing an entire network of lying is a strong accusation. Yet, you offer no examples. I think you put your pen in mortion before you put your brain in gear

Its surprising that Fox news is accusing the White House of having an enemies list !! Last I checked, it was the Bush Administration which went after people who called them out.

Take for example, the Plame affair – Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis Libby, is now a convicted felon after he blew the cover of a CIA agent,as retribution for her husband’s op-ed on NYT exposing fake WMD stories. The only reason this chap is not in jail is because Bush commuted his sentence.

“Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of it is flat out untrue.”

Please Joe, be precise, you didn’t tell us anything to backup your claim of “sedition” or “flat out untrue”. These are serious charges. Without even one example. Time puts Obama on its cover how many times last year? 14, Are you also coming out against journalism that is unfairly biased for Obama?

The sad thing is you and all the other fox news haters would have a lot more credibility if you were equally critical of the rest of the main stream media.

Please Joe, give us an example of sedition or flat out lies on fox.

Looks like Joe wouldn’t know real news if it stared him in the face. What does the left fear about FOX who is the most powerful name in media?
You guessed it; the truth.
Remember Lincoln once said, “You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.”
Joe Klein is a weak individual who would have us believe his twist on the truth.

[...] Sometimes I wake up in the morning ashamed that I share the same name with the ultra liberal Time Magazine commentator Joe Klein.  This is one of those mornings.  As reported last night during The O’Reilly Factor, my namesake stupidly accused Fox News of “sedition”, “hateful crap” and lies – and that was just in the first sentence of his tirade.  Let me be precise here: Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sediti… [...]

[...] O’Reilly’s latest target is TIME magazine columnist Joe Klein. Klein recently wrote that “Fox News peddles a fair amount of hateful crap. Some of it borders on sedition. Much of [...]

Apart from a lengthy discussion about the ignorance and fear peddled at Fox, the one complaint I have most is that the news media discusses the thoughts and opinions of people like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck as if they’re experts on topics as wide-ranging and complex as medicine and constitutional law.

Fact: Limbaugh flunked out of college.
Fact: Hannity flunked out of TWO colleges.
Fact: Beck never went to college because he was too busy abusing drugs and alcohol.

And now we’re supposed to care what these people have to say about topics for which they have no credentials?

No thank you. I value an EDUCATED opinion.

Hey drmike2, are you a doctor?

As an educated man I am sure that you can appreciate the fact that most media personalities have zero background, not to mention they could not be considered an expert on most topics they discuss. A degree in journalism or something related doesn’t make them the knower and seer of all. The real people doing the work are the staff behind the scenes. That said I don’t see where the education level of the “talker” has a whole lot to do with the facts or opinions.

I would also like to point out that, like the author and many others here again you don’t list any examples for the “ignorance and fear peddled at Fox” comment.

I watch Fox and several of the MSM programs and then do some fact checking on my own.

My question to you would be, short of going to a doctor for advice on medical topics, a lawyer for legal topics, etc, where exactly are you getting your EDUCATED opinions from. The only difference I see between FOX and the other networks is their point of view. So I guess there really is no place for any of us to get any credible information, other than on our own.

By the way I love Beck and the others at Fox but I’m not too crazy about Rush.

Hello Joe. I have to agree with Bill Oreilly’s assessment of your amateurish work here. And you call yourself a professional journalist? No wonder I didn’t know who you were as I dumped my Time subscription years ago.

Fox News has a sliver? What does that make Time… miniscule?

How about recognizing Fox News for all the good work they do. Even the more liberal MSM recognizes the value of a free press, and recognize their accomplishments in news scoops.

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

Amen!

Good Lord, Joe; haven’t you ever heard of “controlling the narrative?” Are you not aware that Republicans fight back against what they consider press distortions (whether they are or not) with vicious fervor? Or that the right has been pushing the canard about the “liberal mainstream media” for damn near 40 years, long after it’s ceased to be even superficially true? Aren’t you tired of Democrats looking like wimps?

Get a hold of yourself, Joe. Defend the right thing for a change, instead of any buddies you happen to have at Fox. They purvey poisonous lies, and they have been called on it. Let’s all celebate that the Obama people had the courage to point out the lack of clothes on the Fox emperor.

Conservone: Sorry, yes, I am a doctor which is why I am not on blogs too often. Always working.

Your question is precisely my complaint. There are actually strict rules about journalism, which are taught at J-school. The purely news journalists should ONLY report facts; facts which have been . If the topic is, say, medicine, and they need further understanding of the content, then absolutely the news journalist should bring in a doctor to comment on the news. The journalist has absolutely no training to make even the slightest remark about the topic, because the haven’t been trained and don’t understand the subtle nuances of working with patients and their diseases. Fox News does this all the time, having their “news journalists” making comments on the news, rather than just reporting it. You can go to this link to see many examples of it:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200910270002

It’s similar to movie actors, like Cruise, commenting on psychiatry. He has no background to make any assertions. He’s not trained to think critically about the literature, let alone understand what most of it means.

And you’ve blurred my statement concerning news journalists vs. opinion “journalists.” I don’t often watch opinion journalists on the news because it’s been so dumb-downed that many of them are simple “entertainers.” When I do watch opinion news, I will watch McLaughlin Group, because it’s truly balanced. And at times, if I choose a more liberal slant, I’ll watch Rachel Maddow, because she graduated from Stanford with a degree in public policy, went on to become a Rhodes Scholar, then completed her PhD in politics at Oxford University. So she’s a pretty smart lady, worth listening to in my book.

Juxtapose her against Rush, Hannity, and Beck who never went to college or flunked out, there is a huge difference. Higher education not only teaches greater awareness about the world on a wide number of subject, but teaches most importantly critical thinking skills…the ability to go on in life and “teach thyself.” You don’t gain those skills from just having a high school education. College also teaches you that just because you’re wrong about something doesn’t make you less of a person. In fact, being wrong gives you the ability to grow as a person, both intellectually and humanistically.

I have never seen Rush, Hannity, or Beck apologize for being wrong about anything. If you lived in their world, they are right about everything they say. Which I suppose is why so many people love to watch them. It gives them confidence to go out into the world, and say whatever they want, without taking the energy to think critically about anything, because they always have their Rush, Hannity, and Beck backing them up with their “we’re never wrong” mantra. People who watch these opinion journalists just regurgitate whatever Rush or Beck says, usually verbatim.

We’ve come to an age where Americans are so poorly educated, so unable to think critically for themselves, that the tool of debate is gone, possibly forever. One is supposed to enter a debate with an open mind, willing to see and learn from the others’ perspective. But Americans enter debates just to yell their opinions at others without listening, let alone, thinking about what the other person is saying.

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Liar, Liar pants on fire…………all the news media should get the news out like “Fox” ….LOOK at their ratings……………………..”WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LOVE ………….FOX………………….

Man are you wrong, and Fox is the only news media out there telling the people what is going on. Look at the tax cheats and crooks that are in the White House, next it will be Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and Rezko when he gets out of prison.

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[...] O’Reilly has been irked at Joe Klein since last October, after Klein wrote a typical Villager piece for Time castigating President Obama for standing up to Fox News. That’s not what upset [...]

[...] And again with the sedition-border two months prior: [...]

[...] the only realistic”: Joe Klein, “Outfoxed?.” Time, October 23, [...]

[...] 2009 he leveled that charge at Senator Tom Coburn and also in 2009 he decided that Fox News was “border-line seditious.” Apparently all you have to do to qualify for sedition these days is merely to disagree with [...]

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