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A report is circulating among the wingnuts that I had a peek at Barack Obama’s senior thesis. It is completely false. I’ve never seen Obama’s thesis. I have no idea where this report comes from–but I can assure you that it’s complete nonsense.

Update: Michael Ledeen now has apologized to me on his blog, claiming that he, Limbaugh and others were punked by a satire. I appreciate the apology…but I wonder about what the willingness to take this cheesy crap as gospel says about Ledeen’s–and Boss Rush’s–sensibility. Actually, on second thought, I don’t wonder all that much.

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  • stevie314159

    Oh, I thought you WROTE it. No, wait. That was Bill Ayers who wrote his thesis.

    Or was it Chairman Mao?

    And did you see it in the original Kiswahili?

  • bitterpill8

    You ought to be chuffed. There are envious blokes in the rightosphere.

  • ogliberal

    Joe – You do realize that by denying that you have seen it, you have confirmed to the wingnuts that you have seen it? That’s the logic they practice

  • mbirchmeier

    In your last post you just got done telling us:

    “If the problem is broader–that Fox News spreads seditious lies …The best antidote to their garbage is elegant, intelligent governance

    Using the same standard wouldn’t your best antidote to this rumor is elegant intelligent journalism?

    -MBirchmeier

  • darius3

    Clearly, Joe, the fact that this rumor exists proves that TIME magazine should, in your words, “be a bit more diligent about whom it hires”.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Ha! Nicely done!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    So, can someone fill me in on this so-called “meltdown” that I missed?

  • bdomenech

    I think I see what happened here: Rush Limbaugh was using a fake unsourced quote from a parody site to draw out everyone who just reused the Wikiquotes to bash him.

  • Ivy_B

    Go back to the post on Roland Burris. I was away Mon – Wed of this week, so it was one of those days.

  • palininatowel

    I’ve read Obama’s thesis. In fact, I’m holding a copy right now. Anyone who wants me to email them a pdf copy should post here.

    (Note: This is his thesis from kindergarten where he declares that, “One day, I want to be president!”)

  • pafro

    Crazy Pete Hoekstra told me that you told him about the thesis. I have neither the time nor the legal background to decide if he is right.

  • bobcn1

    Hmmm… The White House isn’t supposed to defend itself from the constant barrage of attacks from Fox “News” because it would give Fox ‘greater spasms of self-inflation’. But it’s OK for Joe to defend himself.

    Joe, I sympathize with your problem. It sucks to be slandered and lied about. I just wish you’d be a bit more consistent.

  • deconstructiva

    …yesterday’s Lieberman czar post from JNS took a beating also.

  • FlownOver

    I’m trying to work out why anyone cares whether you’ve seen it or not.

  • freeinpa

    The bright side for the left is that the lap dog MSM will have something to write about instead of rising unemployment, porkulus having no impact, or any proof that the TARP actually helped.

    Why bother with these when you can report on a thesis from a C+ student

  • Friar Tuck

    Everything’s always about you, isn’t it, Joke Line?

  • palininatowel

    freeinpa, you are incorrect. George Bush was a D+ student, not a C+ student.

  • cfukara

    ” .. I have no idea where this report comes from–but I can assure you that it’s complete nonsense. ..”

    If you hadn’t mentioned it, most of us wouldn’t have known about it.
    Now what was that about spreading manure … and those who have the time and inclination to spread it?

  • spob

    Joe, have you asked for a retraction? Isn’t that what is usually done?

  • kevin

    Bingo.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Indeed. His egotistic journalism has no rival. Never before has a reporter so frequently injected himself into his own stories or involved himself in endeavors that become the focus of other stories. Incredible.

  • freeinpa

    palininatowe

    “freeinpa, you are incorrect. George Bush was a D+ student, not a C+ student”

    If you recall it was shown that Bush at Yale had a higher GPA that another pompous liberal Kerry.

    Sadly, the liberal pretense of superior intellect takes another hit

  • sacredh

    Like basket weaving and cheerleading is hard tp pass.

  • hellslittlestangel

    “Update: Michael Ledeen now has apologized to me…”
    .
    I can’t tell you how relieved I am to hear that.
    .
    Because maybe you will STFU for a little while.

  • freeinpa

    sacredh

    Like basket weaving and cheerleading is hard tp pass.
    sacredh

    Don’t be so hard on Kerry he has to overcome being a pompous liberal a_s.

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  • stew65

    Not surprisingly, Dobbs is pushing this lie (and staying true to form, he has not corrected his error). He’s just a mean, nasty crank these days. Pressure and declining ratings are obviously getting to him.

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  • choska

    Joe, at 12:49 today you advised the Obama administration to practice stoicism in regards to the lies that the Right Wing is pushing.
    .
    “If the problem is broader–that Fox News spreads seditious lies to its demographic sliver of an audience–the Administration should probably be stoic: the wingnuts will always be with us.”
    .
    90 minutes later you rushed to this blog to decry the lies being pushed about you. By responding to the lies aren’t you just inflating Rush? Wouldn’t stoicism have been a better response?

  • sacredh

    Are you saying that Bush was not a cheerleader at Yale? Are you saying that while Kerry was earning Purple Hearts in Viet Nam that Bush wasn’t skipping out on his National Guard obligations?
    .
    We can say ass. They don’t care.

  • freeinpa

    sacredh

    One the crap about Bush and the National Guard was another farce as Dan Blather has found out and second Kerry’s purple Hearts were still a question of acquisition. There is still the matter of him promising to release his records but let’s see its how many years after that election and we are still waiting. Maybe it lost with Obama’s birth certificate?

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  • kbanginmotown

    Is it a “certified copy” or a “certificate of live thesis”?

  • kbanginmotown

    Oh…*SNAP!*

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    Hannity is a thug I don;t think so. Why not attack him for his ideas instead of the name calling What shld bother Klein is the fact that the Presdt and his administration single out a network for attack. Seems like an attempt at intimidation to me. Reminiscent of when the Nixon administration went after the Washington Post and NY Times. And I would think that the more the administration attacks Fox the more it will help their ratings.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Well Joe, you say it’s complete nonsense, but since your whole career is a lie, how are we to believe you? Actually we don’t care. Hasn’t been a very good week has it Joe?

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  • notleftorrightaboveit

    Why do you suppose there is so much joy in the humiliation of a man, who probably doesn’t care? Limbaugh says Obama is a socialist huh? Every single American should serve the federal government for a minimum period of time, so that every American may benefit from the services of the government. You want free health care? Well you may not have money for taxes to pay for that health care, but your back is strong. You want financial aid for school? Sure, four years of military service is good for four years at University. I feel some government services are necessary, but anyone who draws from those services shall not do so without contribution nor should they draw service indefinitely, those who do not draw services shall be exempt from extended government service.

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  • 53_3

    Long time, no see, Friar.
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    “Every single American should serve the federal government for a minimum period of time, so that every American may benefit from the services of the government. ”
    Let’s just keep making requirements for people in the “land of the free.” Perhaps appealing to people’s sense of duty and desire of serving others would be more likely to benefit our country than having forced labor instated. I’ve read that the slaves were generally well cared for, however I still would never want to be one…

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    Interesting comparisan between Rush and Rather, but you left out one key point: RATHER LIED! You libs just love to attack Rush, though the best you can come up with is fat jokes. Just like Joe, and this rag, leftwing rantings with no substance. Rush, like any American with any common sense, sees Obama for what he is: a far left socialist anti American Chicago thug. Hard to respect that. You lefties hate the man, for the same reason Obama hates him. He’s always right. Though you deny this and scoff, and call names and ridicule, you have nothing in the way of substance to dispute him with. Right 99.1 pecent of the time, and with half his brain tied behind his back, just to make it fair.

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