When Politics Get Personal: The Health Reform Fallout

By now, you know the story of the PricewaterhouseCoopers’ report that came out this week. It was commissioned by the health insurance industry to show how private rates might rise under health reform. It used narrow, worst-case scenario assumptions, and ignored other parts of the reform effort that would lower costs. It was widely condemned by Democrats in Congress and at the White House, and prompted Republican complaints of crippling costs hidden in the current legislation.

In public, it was a typical Washington squabble: Public attack, counter-attack, recrimination, move on. Much less attention has been paid to just how personal the confrontation was for some major health reform players behind the scenes. For this week’s TIME magazine (subscribe here; get link here) Jay Newton-Small and I spoke with a number of people, at the White House, in the Senate and in the insurance lobby, and found a remarkable level of mistrust between people who were meeting regularly as recently as last week. Most alarmingly, they disagree over basic facts.

On Oct. 6, five days before the report came out, a senior Finance Committee aide and Nancy-Ann DeParle, who runs the reform effort at the White House, called Karen Ignagni, the top lobbyist for America’s Health Insurance Plans. They both say that they asked Ignagni the rumors that the industry would release a report slamming the Senate Finance Committee bill were true. “We asked her, ‘Are you about to put out a report?” DeParle remembers. “She said, ‘No, We are miles away from putting out a report.’”

Ignagni says that is simply not true. “I know precisely what I said,” said Ignagni, who runs America’s Health Insurance Plans. “I wanted to make sure that they knew that there were two studies coming out next week.”

But the disagreements do not stop there.

Both DeParle and the Senate aide say that on the same call Ignagni made a point of mentioning the issue of executive compensation. There was an amendment, sponsored by Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln, that would increase taxes on high-paid health insurance industry executives by $600 million over the next ten years. “I believe I said, ‘The Lincoln Amendment? You mean the Lincoln Amendment,’ ” DeParle remembers of her phone call with Ignagni. “She said, ‘Well there is that, but there is also this thing that Henry Waxman did.’ ” DeParle said she later decided that Ignagni had been referring to an investigation into health insurance executive compensation that Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., had launched. DeParle’s memory of the call was corroborated by the Senate aide who was on the line.

Ignagni again says that she never said anything of the sort. “I’m very sure about having no discussions about executive compensation,” said Ignagni. “I’m not saying that they are lying. I’m saying that maybe they are mistaken in confusing me with some other person in our industry. But I very clear about what I raised and what I didn’t.”

There was one other element of contention. DeParle said that in their three conversations during the week of Oct. 5, Ignagni brought up the issue of her CEOs being unhappy, and of negative Wall Street analyst reviews of the Senate Finance Committee plan, multiple times. “She said her CEOs were really up in arms. They felt that they had been constructive,” DeParle remembers. “And I told her, ‘I think you have been constructive. I think you have worked to try to figure out how to get this done.’ She said that my guys feel like they have been vilified, and this is what we get, and it’s not a good result.”

Ignagni admits to repeatedly raising several issues of concern for the industry, including the many millions of Americans that would remain without insurance under the Senate Finance plan. But she says it was DeParle who raised the issue of Wall Street Analysts, not her. “Nancy Ann asked us to provide external validation of what we were seeing in the market and what the effects of the health reform legislation was and she asked specifically about analyst reports, which I provided,” said Ignagni.

Suffice it to say, the depth of the disagreement over basic facts point to the pool of distrust that has grown between Democrats and the insurance industry in just the last week. It’s one thing to have a public battle over the meaning of reform. It’s another thing when the major players in negotiations lose faith in each others ability to correctly remember basic conversations.

Related Topics: karen ignagni, nancy-ann deparle, Health Care
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  • destor23

    Why they ever trusted Ignani in the first place is beyond me.

  • spob

    I don’t recall you using such strong language to assess the Obama Administration’s fantasies about the effect of the “stimulus”.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I don’t want to be too mean about this article– you folks did some reporting on this, and Lord knows that personality clashes can affect how decisions are made. But politics is always personal, according to the MSM. Otherwise, instead of talking about personality disputes, they’d have to report about policy! Boooo-riiiiing!
    -
    It’s the Around the Horn approach to political journalism.

  • djshay

    Are people just stupid? Health Insurance rates will rise anyway, regardless of that bogus study. The premiums are will rise around 10% in 2010, with no reform at all. Is ANYONE at all aware of this? Why is no one making this argument?

  • dollared

    This is great stuff, MS. It’s really scary to see concerns about executive compensation, driven personally by a small group of CEOs, determining the the health care debate.

    15 years ago the industry was dominated by non-profits, with newspapers questioning “outrageous” compensation if the President of the local state’s Blue Cross/Blue Shield was earning $250,000 per year. And those nonprofit insurance companies were paying 90+ percent of all customer premium dollars out in claims

    Now Karen Ignagni is directed to commit a deceitful act of sabotage of health care reform, wasting her personal credibility and attracting national attention to the duplicity of the attack, simply because the senior executives of the now for-profit insurers feel their $5-150M annual exec comp is threatened. And now the for-profit insurance companies are charging doubled premiums, and keeping 25% of the premiums for themselves (with some leavings for the shareholders).

    Thank God our elites are looking out for the well being of all Americans. It’s time to name names and demonize some people who truly deserve demonization.

    And time to put them out of business. Period.

  • 53_3

    spob:
    .
    The DOW is over 10k again, the unemployment numbers have flattened out, airlines are falling behind on scheduling because of short staffs, contractors have stated 30,000 jobs were created in their industry, and the package was credited by many states that many, many teachers’ jobs were saved.
    .
    There are other indicators too numerous to mention.
    .
    Toss on top of that that unemployment is a lagging indicator.
    .
    These are facts.
    .
    Of course, on the other hand, there is always FOXworld…

  • 53_3

    For the same reason when we were discussing “Death Panels” that no one mentioned the industry CEOs and their bean-counters’ role in their own version death panels.
    .
    They were and are indeed real, and even so, crickets abound…

  • spob

    Two issues, 53_3. First, we don’t have what Obama’s projections said we’d have. Second, how in the world do you know that the “stimulus” in fact is responsible for any of this. I could point to the bailout and make a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument too.

  • nflfoghorn

    News Flash: Lobbyists lie to politicians, and vice versa. I’m wondering about the newsworthiness of this posting outside of the insurance lobby lobbying its dud grenade over the wall.

    News Flash #2: Spoob hates Democrats.

  • politicalpulsesite

    This health care issue is not going to be solved by changing who gives coverage but by improving the efficencies of our broken system. We are running a medical system in the 21st century with 1960′s technology. Not the machines we use to treat people but the way information is processed and distributed throughout the system. Our medical system needs to catch up and integrate into the computer age and the internet age.

  • freeinpa

    spob:

    53 can’t help himself. As unemployment is approaching his IQ, it is not flatenning and it is certainly well above the tall tale of of the stimulus solving the problem. And the myth of the 2million jobs/saved jobs is now more like 30,000. (The Obama administration released the first hard numbers on how many jobs their $787 billion stimulus package has created or saved on Recovery.gov today. The number: 30,383 jobs from roughly $16 billion worth of stimulus contracts awarded directly by federal agencies.)

    But remember its only conservatives who lie. Liberals just can’t count!

    http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/september-unemployment-the-job-loss-accelerates/

    Even Soros is saying the US economy will be a drag on the global recovery.

    I do wonder since liberals are quick to blame the growing deficit on Bush because of the bank bailout will they give him credit now that bank earnings are up and the DOW has crossed 10,000 on the news of the banks earnings.

    Poor liberals trapped by their own delusions

  • Ivy_B

    And Karen Ignagni is a major spokesperson on the oh-so liberal NPR on the whole topic of health care reform. Her affiliation is quickly noted, but then she says whatever she wants with no challenge.

  • bitterpill8

    One way to clear this up: record these exchanges and provide access to transcripts. Otherwise all the players can engage in revisionism. If de Parle had an assistant listening in what about her notes? Not an unimpeachable source, I understand, but de Parle would have some notes to show.

    Those engaged in these conversations should know that the talkingpoints industry will lift only helpful parts for their pov. Ask Drudge and Mike Allen.

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    If only we could have Tony Reali and his mute button….well maybe just the mute button.

  • http://www.peterhsu.org Peter

    The PWC report certainly is worst case scenario, but you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it off-hand just because it contains conclusions you don’t like. The article you link to doesn’t do a much better job of actually explaining why the PWC report is wrong.

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  • plukasiak

    its the old story of the scorpion and the frog….

  • drf55

    Can’t say for sure what happened here, but Ignagni certainly has incentive to lie about this. It wouldn’t look good for her clients–or for her–to acknowledge that her two biggest concerns were over executive compensation and the PR hit her clients were taking.

    On the other hand, I don’t see any real reason for the Administration and Congressional officials to make this up. I go with their side of the story.

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