Interracial Couple Denied Marriage License In Louisiana

Well the judge DOES let “them” use his bathroom so I say no big deal.

He’s right to be concerned about the children. Heck they might even grow up to be President.

indeed.

I agree with the Judge’s view, as a grandparent of mixed race kids, I can tell you their life is much tougher trying to fit in…what’s the point…tough enough for standard bred kids.
I disagree with his actions though.

Well, if that justice of the peace is forced to resign or retire, he might NOT want to open a lunch counter for his next career. (With that position created largely to marry people, shouldn’t the title really be “justice of the piece”?)
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…also, memo to same jp, when you see two drinking fountains side by side in public places these days, these are strictly for handicap reasons, NOT racial ones, mkay?

I thought Rush’s defense — that he couldn’t be racist because, as an owner, he would have to pay black football players millions of dollars, and what racist would want to do that? — was pretty pathetic.

Who knew Rush would get trumped by Keith “they use my bathroom” Bardwell?

tough enough for standard bred kids

Wow. Maybe if you got them AKC registered?

Standard bred kids? Wow mobyjake. Do your grandchildren and their parents know that you don’t consider them to be “standard”. If you ever find yourself noticing that certain members of your family are avoiding you…don’t wonder about it.

Is Keith “they use my bathroom” Bardwell related to the Bardwells in the “Young and the “V”estless”? It is my Mum’s favorite show and bloody awful.

“Im not a racist. I just don’t believe in mixing the races that way,” Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else”

I bet his “piles and piles” of black friends are backing away slowly. Here’s a quick clue: anytime someone has to talk about treating other people the same as everyone else, there’s a racist right there – the unsaid end of that sentence is “even though they are not”

Interesting..According to the Louisiana Secretary of State’s Office Incumbent History listing, Bardwell was a Democrat up until ’08, where he changed his party affiliation to Republican…What was it about the ’08 political season that might have caused a long-time Democrat and miscegenation-hater like Bardwell to switch parties?

Any guesses? Anyone?

Queenceersei,
It’s very easy for some people to judge, which in essence is the basis for racism. Because someone holds opinions about issues that can be generalized such as how important education can be for a successful life, in no way makes them an education “racist”. Because I have opinions regarding advantages for success as it relates to ‘homogenious” cultures, in no way makes me a racist. My grandchildren must compete in your world..a world trying to embrace them because of a popular perception that diversity is an advantage, and a world rejecting them due to their “diversity” BOTH sides are only considering their color. Although I believe they have challenges I didn’t have, it in no way changes how I feel about them as people. In my family, we can have discussions about how complicated their life can be because their color is the first thing people see. Doesn’t make a case for racism…

Moby, I sympathise and understand – but – without wishing to speak for Queen – certainly my objection to your first comment was the use of the words “standard bred” – it jarred a bit.

In my experience – and of course yours will be different- a lot of the so-called problems facing mixed race children or inter-race marriage a quite overblown; I married someone not of my faith or background and my parents had the same concerns but quickly came to see that there was absolutely no problem that could not be overcome by the fact that we were (are) both in love and prepared to deal with each other as equal partners. it also means that we get to share in two religions’ holidays and cultures which is absolutely marvellous.

Because someone holds opinions about issues that can be generalized such as how important education can be for a successful life, in no way makes them an education “racist”
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False analogy, moby. Education is relevant to what jobs a person can hold and how relevant a person’s knowledge is to their job. Race has nothing to do with qualifications.

Keep in mind that Bardwell’s parish voted for Clinton/Gore in the ’90s and had 6-8 point lean towards the GOP in elections prior to the 2008 contest…the ’08 election in which the Repub margin of victory over Democrats jumped up to around 30% for some odd reason…
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Again, what was different about the ’08 elections at a national level? Anyone willing to hazard a guess?

The state of Louisiana, half of which is under water , the other half is under indictment, is finally tiring of their local corrupt Dumo pols. Switching parties is self-preservation.

Homer,
Is “standard bred” inacurate? or just not PC? I have a good friend who is Tehran born who in a discussion once asked me how a “free society” could be so focused on politically correct speech, he thought in his experience, it was a tool his Government had used to control the conversation and was confused thinking in a “free society” you could measure the debate by the amount of uncontrolled speech. And… I meant it to jar -

No, use of the term ‘standard bred” is demeaning, both because it means that your grandkids are not standard is a relevant way (implying that there is something wrong with being of mixed race) and because the term “bred” is often applied to farm animals. It’s rude and demeaning to refer to people as “bred”, implying they are animals. Personally, I’m just glad I don’t have to attend your family reunions.

“Earlier this week we provided quotes attributed to Limbaugh to illustrate why some people and players felt that Rush Limbaugh was too divisive to be an NFL owner. One of these quotes, which was in a column in the St. Louis Post Dispatch and in a book largely about conservatives, was refuted by Limbaugh. We have been unable to independently confirm that quote. We should not have reported it and for that I apologize. I feel it is important to hold folks accountable when they make mistakes, and that should include myself and my team.”- Rick Sanchez CNN

“The bottom of the front page of The Washington Post on Friday highlighted in bold, dark gray type part of Michael Wilbon’s sports column: “Limbaugh, every day and very publicly, judges people, turns thumbs up or thumbs down on someone’s candidacy or worthiness. Now he’s been judged: Thumbs down, not interested.” The Post’s front page did not emphasize that Wilbon spread the fake “slavery had its merits” quote on national television, since that wouldn’t reflect very well on the professionalism of journalists at The Post. “= WaPo

“The debate over Rush Limbaugh’s NFL bid is roiling the racial landscape. This evening, after Juan Williams explained that Rush’s “Barack the Magic Negro” parody was based on a column by an African-American author, a black radio talk show host told Williams to “go back to the porch.”- Warren Ballantine

“Earlier today, the Weekly Standard’s John McCormack reported that the Huffington Post had asked author Jack Huberman to document quotes allegedly from Rush Limbaugh declaring that slavery “had its merits” and that the assassin of Martin Luther King, Jr. deserved the Medal of Honor.

The quotes were widely cited as real by several sports writers and on CNN and MSNBC in the past week as proof that Limbaugh was a racist who did not deserve to own part of the St. Louis Rams football team. But the Huffington Post has now removed them, saying the author has not been able to substantiate them. ”

Love listening to liberals going on about racist Republicans. The sum and substance of liberals debate has been and continues to be smear a person with race allegations and when called on the facts slowly crawl off like the snakes they are. Many of the contributors here are exactly that breed.

Race-baiting is the only area where liberals have provided for full employment.

Freeper, do us all a favor, and just come out in favor of the racist grandfather. That way we won’t have to sort through as much garbage.

Moby, the use of the word standard, in reference to your grandchildren was more then a bit jarring. And perhaps it is more a case of you judging your grandchildrens race then society judging them. But it is your family and therefore an issue for you and your family to sort though.

What a strange circular logic this JOP puts forth “I do not accept mixed race marriage because mixed race children are not accepted.”

freeinpa:
” ..the state of Louisiana,..half is under indictment ..”

Can the feds do that to a state? Is it in our constitution?

I live not too far from the JP in question. Their school board has been locked in a decade-long struggle to get creationism taught as part of the Science curriculum. David Duke is nearby as well.

This marriage-license stuff is not an anomaly.

I’ll give freep this much-her arguments are predicated on racism being a bad thing.

And that’s not nothing coming from a Rush devotee.

[...] Michael Scherer at Swampland in Time: The ACLU has asked for a state investigation of Bardwell. One couple–he black, she white–whom  Bardwell recently told would not get a marriage license said they plan to bring the matter to the U.S. Justice Department.At the end of the story, Bardwell adds: [...]

As a father of two children of mixed races, I have to say that I’ve found even less rejection of them based on this than I expected. Do I anticipate this will become an issue for them in the future? Sure, but I don’t know if it will be tougher than what 80% of the human race is up against in their lives. The argument that they shouldn’t exist based on their mixed heritage usually has more to do with the person making that statement than the world at large.

People with racist feelings these days know they’re not supposed to feel that way, so they project their discomfort of the rest of the world. “It’s not that I’m racist, the world is.”

I should mention that this isn’t a reflection on everyone who has concerns in this area. I’m not sure if the grandfather from earlier posts is projecting or if he’s seen things that actually concern him in this area. He should realize, though, that by agreeing with the judge to any extent, he is going with a sentiment that maybe his grandchildren shouldn’t exist. I’m just going to assume he loves his grandkids like most grandfathers and didn’t mean to make the same leap.

“Race-baiting is the only area where liberals have provided for full employment.”

Indeed, you may propose that conservatives have no trace of racism in their psyche. Your faith in the ‘correctness’ of your wild assumptions and untenable positions sustains you.

It may also be said that through the haze of stupor brought about by significant GOP losses in the elections nover the past year, you seem to see the liberals providing full employment somewhere. Where have the conservatives provided full employment – in loud, publicly expressed idiocy?

Switching parties is self-preservation.
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Can you provide any evidence that Bardwell switched his longtime party affiliation because he was tired of corruption? If government corruption in Louisiana is as bad as you think it is, then Bardwell should have switched a long time ago, right?

Shorter freepa:
A post about an actual racist caught denying someone a marriage license is the perfect place for my long-winded rant about how there are no racists anymore, merely race-baiters.

Topic: Do mixed-race marriages present a clear and present danger to our national security and “our way of life as we know it”? [Common, take this seriously. Imagine yourself as a Bill Kristol who has to earn a living peddling twopence worth of rationalization of idiosyncrasies, prejudice and malice.)

Give me a "YES": All or most kids in USA's juvenile detention centers or those engaged in truancy at school or exhibiting abnormal behavior come from mixed-race families ...

Give me another "YES": Most of the over 3 million processed in our justice/prison system come from mixed-race families ...

[Grade: If you gave two "YES"s then you may be a republican possibly in a sleeper cell ..]

DJ,
As I stated in my first post, I do not agree with the action of the Judge, while agreeing with his position that the challenges for the children are many.
I would offer to the debate how easy it is to accept “diversity” and how difficult it can be to live it.
Our President, born into a mixed race marriage, raised in a mostly homogenious culture, having the advantage of education, being well spoken and highly regarded for his abilities, chose a homogenious culture for his family. Of all people he knows the challenges of his childhood and young adult years…and decided that was NOT acceptable for his children. And in fact actively sought a culture immersion to clarify in his mind his identity. It does not make him a racist! Nor is he “projecting”. He was simply trying his best to fit somewhere.

The really interesting legal issue is the remedies available to this couple. Judicial immunity is a tough nut to crack. I am not an expert in that area.
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Looks like this judge needs to read up on his Palmore v. Sidoti.
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Of course, this guy seems to have gone to the Barack Obama school of interracial relationships:
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“The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

people need to get the f*&% over interracial relationships. It’s. Just. Not. A. Big. Deal. People get to love who the f&*% they want, and handwringing about kids etc., well-intentioned or not, is giving quarter to this nonsense. Same thing with gays/lesbians having kids.

Handwringing over the reaction of society to the kids, well-intentioned or not, gives quarter to this nonsense. The bottom line is that this is a free country and you get to love who you want.

Okay, so mixed-race kids can have a harder time growing up or being accepted…shouldn’t that mean that people like the justice of the peace or the grandmother who posted earlier work on ways to change that? One way might be to encourage interracial relationships so they become the norm rather than trying to discourage them.

As mentioned earlier, I didn’t make the leap to you, or our President, being a racist or projecting. There are many factors that come into decisions about having kids of mixed races, including family, environment, etc. I don’t second guess the President’s choices for his own family either. You had said in your original post that you agreed with the judge’s opinion, though not his actions. His opinion is that mixed race children shouldn’t exist because of the problems they face. I said that you probably made a mistake in agreeing with this because I assumed you wanted your own grandchildren to exist. I was making an effort to not lump you in with those that are projecting their own discomfort with mixed race children.

Beelkay,
I agree 100%, but the rub comes in asking someone else (the children of the union) to do the heavy lifting……..

Not to support the judge in any way, but PNNTO, really? “Them?” Ooooo! How bigoted!
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My girlfriend’s parents are really cordial, I like “them” alot. Ouch! Did he mean, “those d*mn Protestants” by “them?”
Sh*t! I misspoke, didn’t mean to offend anyone…Jesus Christ, PNNTO, hypersensitive are we?

Imagine if you will, that we had balked at approving the Civil Rights act because we were overly concerned at who might be offended.
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There are no shortage of instances where vast majorities of people can be utterly in the wrong about an issue, (Iraq WMD’s come to mind)
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There is simply no excuse for racism……

Standard bred? Seriously? Am I being judged based on my posture and coat? And by what standard do you presume to judge my “breeding”? Being biracial (white/hispanic in my case) certainly does bring with it certain issues, but I think it’s served to make me a more interesting person. Don’t you dare presume to tell me about how “challenging” my life has been, lest I exercise my right to call you full of @#&*

Or I could just ask you not to wag your finger from on high at people who do choose to have biracial children.

Neo you slay me.
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Using multiple exclamation points, Jesus Christ, and the “s” word when suggesting someone else is hyper anything.
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I’ve missed your darling lack of self-awareness.

I don’t know your grandfather well enough to do that!

Now if the delusional arrogant liberals can fess up to being just as racist as they accuse everyone else maybe we can make progress. Otherwise it is time for liberals to head back to the basement your credibility on the subject sank faster than the Titanic and is headed to the bottom.

Personally, I think hand-wringing about the kids is pretty selective. Kids, for better or worse, are influenced by the lives their parents choose. We don’t use that fact as an excuse to pass judgment on every aspect of a person’s life. There are people who choose to forego income to follow their dreams–their kids’ life is affected by that. There are people who choose to be famous–their kids are affected by that. I don’t see how that’s any different from choosing to marry a person of a different race.
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It’s as simple as this: MYOB.
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And you know what, instead of handwringing over the kids, make it clear in your life that you have no issues with it.

Goodness gracious, Neo. This guy denied a marriage license to an interracial couple on racial grounds. He said, “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom.” He’s a dumb*ss and a racist.
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For gosh sakes, what does it take for you to not lapse into “racism doesn’t exist” mode? Does someone have to die for you to believe that it’s real?

Neo, you are out of line.
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A general assumption of interracial marriage being bad is racist.
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I am proudly married to a Black American woman for 25 years, and I am proud of all my relatives.
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You deserve this slap. And yes, this is a slap!

Mind my own business, spob?
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You don’t know sh!t about the Black community.
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Judges do not have the right to inject personal opinions into their rulings. They must follow the law, and the law states that it is unconstitutional.
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Got that spob? The C-word.
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What a f*cking hypocrite…

Spob!
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Hold the presses a minute. I reread your post again.
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Are you really suggesting that the judge was wrong?
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If so, I will make a total, complete, and unadulterated exception and congratulate you.
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I will read your response, and extend an apology if what I have interpreted is your actual intent.

Ok, here goes.
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I’ve read all of spob’s posts, and I am both elated that he has actually shown a greater depth of knowledge than I expected, even to the point he has himself stated he is not an expert.
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Therefore, make no mistake:
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I hereby apologize to spob for my comment 25.1, which I most humbly retract.
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It is much, much better to correct my own wrong than to continue to insist that spob is not exercising good judgment, and a significant amount of empaty in addressing it.
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I therefore again apologize to spob.

spob:
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Read my apology at comment 26.

The judge is entitled to his opinion, on a personal level.
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However, marriage laws and other Jim Crow laws have been struck down, and it is clearly an unconstitutional ruling.
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The judge may have violated the law himself, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to know for sure.

Actually, spob, we have successfully raised three kids. They are out of the house, and during their days as defendants, had far less exposure to racism and/or any putative obstacles than even I did.
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I don’t think that even though the judge is entitled to his personal opinion, it is likely that the only place where it might even be considered to be true are in those places where customary racism is still in force.
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And those areas are shrinking by the day…

Just read upthread 53_3.
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My point about MYOB is that in polite society, we don’t question people’s actions on such a basis. And, once again, I point out that the handwringing about the kids seems mighty selective, since we don’t typically criticize firefighters for being firefighters even though they could die and leave the kids without a parent (see my other examples upthread). So why is the choice of a mate of a different race getting so much scrutiny? Perhaps it’s well-intentioned, perhaps not, but the bottom line, I think, is that the usual zone of politeness, I think, should extend to situations where someone falls in love with a person of a different race.
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Sorry for the cognitive dissonance 53_3, but the judge gets no sympathy here. I did ask the legal question about judicial immunity.
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By the way, who is this arrogant judge anyway–he thinks he gets to tell people whom they can marry? He’s entitled to his views; he’s not entitled to impose them on others.

“and during their days as defendants”
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Do you mean “dependents”?

Thank you for your tacit acceptance of my apology. I actually agree with virtually everything you said, with the exception of the Barak Obama comment, of which I am not sure is meant, and which I don’t think is worth belaboring here.
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You might not realize it, but I am very tired of having to relentlessly go over and over and over the issues of race that pervade politics.
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My surprise is so extensive right now I don’t even want to do anything other than welcome your comments.
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Thanks.
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That said, we are almost exactly on the same page on this one. I feel that this might be the judge’s opinion, which is, whether racist or not, is entirely his right to hold.
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However, he crossed the line in so many ways legally that I think his competency as a judge is truly called into question.

Well, 53_3, let’s hope that moby reads this and reconsiders his viewpoint. I get that the concern for the children may be bona fide. I think, however, that when you look at it from the standpoint of personal autonomy, you cannot single the choice of a mate as the one situation where the kids override a life choice.

freeinpa:
” .. I don’t know your grandfather well enough to do that! ..”
A good rightwing nut wouldn’t let a small thing like that get in the way of a gut-wrenching, holier-than-thou diatribe.

You are a good rightwing nut, aren’t you?

You love your Reagan and you love quoting him. It was said last year (by someone you love to hate) that Republicans enjoy being ignorant. ..
So, fire away.

You are a good republican, aren’t you?

Extremely so, spob.
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As you might read upthread, I have raised 3 children in another part of the country and they have experienced no ill effects because of it.
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There are simply too many interracial couples up here to get upset over, even if one is a racist (not referring to you!).
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To my left of my front door, is a white guy who married a Vietnamese lady, to my back and to my right is my best friend, a Black man who married a white woman.
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This is an example of why the judge cannot even apply it as a possible reason as, unless one lives where customary racism is still in effect, no obstacles obtain!

FYI, spob, my wife is from Louisiana. Many of her family live in the NOLA area as well as Baton Rouge. So we are pretty much up and knowledgeable about what goes on there.

Race-baiter Limbaugh playing the race card multiple times this year

Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates? “He’s a racist,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “He’s an angry racist.”
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Sonja Sotomayor? “She’s a bigot. She’s a racist,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “How can a president nominate such a candidate? And how can a party get behind such a candidate? That’s what would be asked if somebody were foolish enough to nominate David Duke or pick somebody even less offensive.”
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President Obama? He’s “the biggest reverse racist in history.” On another occasion: “Just as he is ACORN, just as he is Van Jones, he is racism.”On a third: “How do you get promoted in a Barack Obama administration? By hating white people.” So implicitly Mr. Limbaugh is labeling multiple figures within the administration as racists too.
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Democrats generally? “The racism that everybody thinks exists on our side of the aisle has been on full display throughout their primary campaign.”
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Liberals? “You know, racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left.”
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The media circa January? “We’re witnessing racism all this week that led up to the inauguration. We’re being told that we have to hope he succeeds. That we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father’s black, because this is the first black president.”
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Minorities generally? “The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That’s what Obama’s about, gang. He’s angry, he’s gonna cut this country down to size, he’s gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, it’s mistreatment of minorities. I know exactly what’s going on.”
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Oh, and don’t forget the NFL. As of this week, it is “an outpost of racism and liberalism.” (Strange that a league that is supposedly racist against white owner candidates has so many white owners.)
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Remember, the foregoing examples are exclusively taken from radio commentary spoken in 2009.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-16/rush-the-race-baiter/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL1

Of course there is also the prior Donovan McNabb and Crips & Bloods statements that deal directly with Limbaugh’s feelings about NFL players

I think freetopeeonhimself is referring to the Voting Rights Act requirements.
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In this case, however, this is yet another example of just why that law is in place, and it severely weakens his arguments. One can’t go racist and then claim that a law targeting customary, implicit, and explicit racism is ill conceived.

Mobyjake:
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Your opinion is only accurate in a location where customary racism still holds sway.
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Don’t argue with me moby, you can’t. I’ve raised three interracial kids and am one of very many interracial couples who are living proof that your opinion is completely misguided, and further, is fostered by nothing other than ignorance.
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I don’t need to invoke racism to describe you, but, indeed, you are ignorant.

I don’t know what’s up with the judge. I am curious to know what legal remedies are available to the couple. Judicial immunity is a tough nut to crack.
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I’m sure, as 53_3 intimates (by the way, no apology necessary) that the state judicial system has tools to deal with the judge. I doubt, though, that the couple will get any remedy.
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Like I said before, I’d like to see moby respond. And while I am at it, what about military guys. That life has profound effects on the children–yet it’s completely wrong to question people for marrying a military guy (or gal). So why is race an issue? I am just asking, not accusing.

What spob said. (I think hell just froze over.)

I think the standard here of whether a remark is offensive or not is to ask those who are the target of the remark.
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In this case, moby, I can tell you, that you are on the losing end of this argument because that horribly outmoded term would be taken as the highest offense in the Black community.
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To wit:
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Are you going to tell them that they have no right to be offended by this or that remark, or belief?
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I think the most elementary and commonsense answer is twofold:
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1. No, you do not have that right, any more than if I were to insult you and then criticize you for perciving it as an insult.
2. To truly measure the accuracy of your opinion, ask people who are part of the Black community!
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That’s right, moby, ask them!
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And ye shall find your ignorance confirmed…

I have a very simple question for you, freetopeeinyourownface:
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Did you ever ask anyone in the Black community what they think?
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After all, for you to make such claims, it is the height of stupidity to ask someone who is at the very least ignorant, and has no real contact with those who are the targets, then to present that as “proof” that Rush isn’t a racist.
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Sh!t! How dangerously, relentlessly stoopid can you get? Did you ever think for one minute that Rush would ever admit to such?
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Dittohead is right you idiot!

rmrd:
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Didn’t we do all this just yesterday?
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I guess I have to take solace that Rome wasn’t built in a day, and that to convince some Republicans of the error of their racist ways takes even longer…

Um yeah, spob. Your right. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Is there some gestalt going on here?
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Just a bit tired of this cr@p, is all…

No, a flower just bloomed in the bleak landscape.
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Think of Mt. St. Helens…

I’ve gone back to read what he said, and I’ve noted that he is wrong on two counts:
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1. He denies that the standard for racist / ignorant behavior is defined by the people whom are the targets (in this case, it is the Black community that sets the standard as to whether something is racist* or not)
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2. His assumption that there is actually a disadvantage to being a child of an interracial couple is also false. I won’t elaborate too much, but you’ll see many comments I’ve made, and specifically why, I’ve made them.
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*I’m taking extra care to emphasize that that only applies to other-on-Black commentary, if it was the Vietnamese being insulted, it would be they who set the standard. If it is white**, then it is the white community.
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**No one denies that Black Americans can be racist. I’ve run into more than a few myself. However, such racism was not the driver in American history, nor is it, just by dint of numbers, nearly as widespread.

Naaah, think of it as a stopped watch being right twice a day. Now I have to be right on something else, lol. Maybe the monkey analogy is best. I guess I just typed out Hamlet.

By the way spob, do mean remuneration and or punishment of the offender when you say “remedy”?
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I think you may be right, but one thing they can do is go somewhere else in Louisiana to get married. He’s not the only judge there. I’m sure another judge would be more than glad to vacate his ruling.

——- on related topic

Civil rights laws were passed, but that did not guarantee full participation to African Americans for decades. (ever?)
There are many subtle, life-altering ways – not all of them illegal at the time – in which racism or ethnic hatred may find expression.

The strong underlying currents must be recognized and addressed.

For instance, a few months ago I talked to a lady whose romantic relationship had just ended. “I shouldn’t have gotten into the relationship,” she stated, “My parents were very unhappy about me going out with a British.” She is Irish-American.

There are issues when a Jew dates or marries one of them gentiles, right?

I haven’t heard that term for about 40 years, Moby.
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Are you a social Bubble Boy?

Yes. I think judicial immunity pretty much nukes any civil rights claim for damages that they may have.

This confirms my contention about customary racism. it’s pretty geographically restricted, but worst down there.
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My son went there a couple years ago. My wife’s family, knowing about it, had to make sure he didn’t run afoul of it while he was there.

I will take it at it’s face value, spob.
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One can be conservative without the racial baggage and you are demonstrating that ably here.

FYI I think your point about the military lifestyle is even more cogent, spob, as the failure rate is very high among military newlyweds.
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The fact that race became an issue is only because of the reasons put forward by the judge. It constituted his opinion, and, of course, the reaction of the Black community is rightfully angry.
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I would not for a minute doubt that had the judge come up with a real reason why he should not marry them, nothing would be said. The atmosphere that his been heatedly charged by the continuous purveyance of racial hatred on the part of some have exacerbated the situation in the last few years.
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This has been one of the reasons why I have been so harsh in my criticism of it. In thirty to fifty years time, such abberant behavior might even be looked upon as anachronistic psychosis, but for now, these sorts of things are percieved as a real threat in the Black community due to historical precedence, which, I might point out, is within the experience of most Black Americans who are over the age of 40 to 45.
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Even without a racial reason, judges very rarely refuse to marry people*.
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*I’m excepting the gay marriage issue, which is not relevant here.

freeinpa,

Frankly, I never heard anything about Rush saying “slavery had it merits” and the more “racist” sayings attributed to Rush. However, the playing of “Barack, the Magic Negro” with a voice imitating Al Shapton was not likely to endear Rush to African-Americans.

In addition, don’t forget Rush’s famous statement regarding Donavon McNabb getting a free ride by being a black quarterback in the NFL. Not only was that completely stupid, but ask any Philadelphia fan, if McNabb has gotten a free ride. That statement alone would make Rush, persona non grata. Remember what happened to Jimmy the Greek?

I have to laugh at your comment about Liberals and race-baiting. Now isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black! Why do you think the South went from Democrat to Republican starting in the 1960s? It is not because Southerners suddenly fell in love with capital gains tax cuts. The “Southern Strategy” started by Richard Nixon was designed to portray the Democratic party as the party of Blacks, which let the Republican party as the party of White people. What do you think happened to all of those Dixiecrats? They switched and became Republicans, and not because they were for less government spending. Just look at Mississippi.

freeinpa, why do you think African-Americans vote 90% Democratic. The average middle-aged black man is not concerned about abortion and gay rights. He votes Democratic because since the Nixon era he has been told by the Republicans that he is not wanted. That changed a little under George H.W. Bush, but it is clear that the Republicans played the race card to gain dominance in the South.

As far as slander, the Republicans are the masters of slander. Heck, they are just as bad about themselves. Do you remember when in South Carolina, where John McCain’s adopted daughter from Bangladesh was really his secret love child? Was this from Liberals? No! It was Conservatives! Remember in Alabama where Max Cleland’s patriotism was questioned even though he left an arm and both legs in Vietnam? Once again, conservatives.

If you notice, Liberals praised John McCain’s patriotism. It was Conservatives who questioned it. As far as “Swift-boating”, it was the work of Conservatives, not Liberals.

Give Liberals some credit. At least they don’t try eat their own.

“standard bred kids”?
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Eugenics 101?

Holy Cow spob! I just might have to take a back seat to you on this one. I’ve told my stepson that if he ever married a republican I would cut him out of my will.

It is inexplicable to me why these types of inane stories garner so much interest. First, America has a history of horrible race relations and in many states there were specific laws which prohibited interracial marriages. So if some vestiges of such practices occur why the massive fuss???

There are many politicians who owe their election and re-election to real or imagined racial differences and these politicians fan the types of division so clearly articulated by the Justice of Peace. They are the problem and not this misguided “foot soldier”.

I have not received sufficient press coverage of the most vicious criminal acts which have been committed against me—
Acts of unrepentant THUGS discussed on my BLOG.
The Heinous acts of a vile profligate committed by a raging and vicious Psychopath, Pedophile and Thug–”Eve Sharon Moore” and her husband “Akbar Shabazz” of the “BlackFemaleInterracial Marriage” blog and “Project 21”( They own many such so called Black Power and Black Empowerment organizations which targets the same Black people they purportedly empower). In addition, these organizations are used to bilk, mislead, wiretap and stalk members of the general public.

These Armed Robbers and have created extensive histories for their non existent officers like “David Almasi”—the supposed WHITE man at the helm of this organization. They have even created a face book page for this non existent officer and yet to date these criminals “Shabazz” and “Riley” remain free.

Through “Project 21”, “The Center for Environmental and Regulatory Affairs” and many such organizations (fronts), these felons continue to STALK, ROB, CRIMINALIZE and VIOLENTLY MOLEST members of the unwitting public– yet I have not seen these 21st century Armed Robbers and Thugs systematically and vigorously investigated by any seasoned reporters.

Even on this site aliases like StaurtSzchman, Paulnonotthisone, Deconstrictiva and DeeofColumbia, FreeinPA, Nathan777, KininSJ, Palininatowl, Cfukara, Piper1 and so many many aliases etc. etc. all belonging to the same VILE CRASS AND CRIMINAL REPROBATE.
Criminals who depend on the name-person-image connection deceit perfected by online PEDOPHLES.
(Meanwhile these commenters cannot be subpoenaed without a lengthy legal process, thanks to the first ammendment and an incredible amount of red tape.)

Meanwhile while I seek the prosecution and incarceration of these felons (21st century THUGS who illegally tap my phone, break into my computer, track me with unbridled violence and use my life and those of other unwitting law abiding citizens as fodder for their numerous sites) I have to read reports about issues as mundane as an interracial couple being refused a license to marry.

This reported refusal to issue a license was an isolated act of one zealous man and he was not acting in accordance with the LAW. This matter, a refusal, an issue that would ordinarily be trivial and handled internally (within the organization) with relatively swift dispatch has become a newsworthy issue meanwhile this hoodlum “Eve Sharon Moore” and her husband whose use of technology to commit the most heinous crimes against innocent women and their children has not been rigorously and consistently investigated so they roam article after article on this site, reporting for the Associated Press, Robbing stealing and misleading on their numerous blogs and websites. Their vile criminal acts unfettered!

In reading this story, all I can think about is Journalism and what happened to the “truth” in journalism. What happened to compassion, investigative journalism and the drive assist with effecting REAL JUSTICE in the face of real CRIMES being committed against law abiding citizens like me by these SCUM BAGS who scurry around online hiding to avoid detection and the inevitable prosecution.

The JP’s conduct was wrong but not criminal. “Eve Sharon Moore” aka “Shay Riley” of the websites “BlackwomenblowtheTrumpet”, “FieldNegro”, “Proejct21”, “Siddity”, “WhitemenwhopreferBlackWomen”, “BrotherPeacemaker” who uses so many aliases on this site and elsewhere is a criminal and vile Profligate.

As I go about the task of bringing this “Eve Sharon Moore” and her husband to justice and ensuring they face the full force and effect of the justice system, it would be good to have the matter investigated (concomitantly) by a seasoned and reputable journalist.

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/i-fully-support-gun-ownership/

At the risk of everyone hating me again (don’t worry, I don’t really take offense), I have to ask this. Here’s a quote from Barack Obama:
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“The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
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Now I get that this isn’t as bad as denying people the right to get married because they are of different races. But Obama is making a pretty nasty stereotype about people who happen to fall in love with someone of a different race. He’s also calling into question the purity of the love. It’s a problem. Why doesn’t he get criticism for this?

That’s quite a list of different personnas that you believe belong to the same person. Even Sybil would be jealous.

A word of warning meant to help: Don’t bring a lawsuit against SZ and the rest. The court ordered psychological testing might include an inkblot test. If I hadn’t read up on the various possible (and accepted) interpretations, I might not have access to a computer today.

You all really kill me you go off on this judge as being racist when you have a president who is probably the biggest racist in the US. Get a life.

…because you’re reading a lot more into this than there is. Believing that it is difficult, if not impossible, for a biracial couple to really be in love is not inherently racist. I would strongly disagree with it, but I see absolutely no stereotyping involved here. Methinks you’re just looking for an excuse to rant on obama.

That;s a bit of ad hominem and a bit off the point. I didn’t really say that this was racism on Obama’s part. (The upthread comparison to the judge was a bit tongue in cheek, and I think I make clear that Obama’s issues are not the same as the judge’s.) This quote is problematic. It obviously signals a deep unease with interracial relationships and the idea that no interracial relationships can be pure IS stereotyping. Let’s get that right, ohiolib.
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Personally, I find Obama’s views on interracial relationships somewhat weird. It’s as if he projected his mother’s deal onto everyone else. Perhaps that’s natural for a son to do that. I don’t know. But you would have thought that he would have worked that out. But I think, before this guy appoints himself arbiter of things racial (e.g., national conversation on race and l’Affaire Gates), he ought to deal with his own issues. Clearly he has them. And I think this is a topic for legitimate inquiry.

Well spob, I would agree that his views are weird. However, I think a couple wires got crossed here. I was not intending to defend Obama’s views (I think I clarified the opposite point-and yes, I think he stereotyping) but I still think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. I apologize for implying that you were racist, but this thread, and the people defending the crackpot judge, have got me ticked. Don’t take it personally.

“SacredH”,

As a further note, Pedophiles, child molesters, traffickers in child pornography, robbers and other Predators are known to crate 80 to 200 aliases in one arena depending on whether they are stalking unwitting adults or children or if they are trying to avoid detection.
They also easily activate dormant aliases and as I indicated earlier these criminals use the name-person-image connection to deceive and mislead Reporters and other unwitting visitors to their organization and sites. E.g. the name StaurtSzchman conjures the image of a Caucasian but in reality, the user of that alias is a BLACK THUG.

Also, these depraved scumbags DO NOT LEAVE a site after being unequivocally identified as Criminals, Predators, Pedophiles, Profligates Or Child molesters (as I have done)— They remain on the sites commenting and manufacturing these alias after alias until these depraved scumbags are eventually routed and jailed by sustained vigorous investigation, prosecution and incarceration.

As an example of the depravity that exists on line “Eve Sharon Moore” of the website “Blackfemale Interracial Marriage blog” claims to be INTERRACIALLY married and operates many websites and organizations to that end, benefiting from this brazen misrepresentation (stalking and criminally violating visitors to her numerous sites), however county records show that she is married to a BLACK CRIMINAL-”Akbar Shabazz”.

My mother (who like me is an Attorney) frequently states that checks and balances which exist within the judicial system are key to its existence, however these checks and balances also insulate the most depraved among us.
My continued quest to jail these felons and have their criminal acts become public knowledge have proved my mother’s frequent remarks about checks and balances to be true.

However, we have a dynamic and functioning justice system and the insulation of these vile hounds by the checks and balances in the judicial system, thankfully, is eventually removed and these criminals become wards of our robust penal system!

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/i-fully-support-gun-ownership/

Actually the context of that quotation is heartbreaking, and it makes it clear that is not reflective of Obama’s current thoughts on the subject. In his book that comment expresses his thoughts after his mother takes him to a racist film she loved as a young woman, and he tries to understand why it appealed to her. The sentiment in that quotation emerged from a sense of compassion towards his mother. (Later he writes that perhaps all love begins on a similar foundation of misconceptions and needs; the “tarnishing” phenomenon was certainly not exclusive to interracial couples.)
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However I can see out of context it appears outrageous. And I would disagree with ohiolib’s assertion that one can believe love in an interracial relationship is impossible without being racist. Which is not even what Obama felt about his own parents. Soon after that earlier quotation this comment appears:
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What I heard from my mother that day, speaking about my father, was something that I suspect most Americans will never hear from the lips of those of another race, and so cannot be expected to believe might exist between black and white: the love of someone who knows your life in the round, a love that will survive disappointment. She saw my father as everyone hopes at least one other person might see him.

That is pretty good, rose83.

You discuss the quotation like a literary critic, while spob looks at it like a lawyer aiming to sue the author for big bucks …

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That’s a pretty tough thing to “take out of context”, and while we’re at it, Obama’s views on his mom’s taste in men are a bit Oedipal.
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The bottom line is that quote shows Obama has issues. And it’s funny how getting you guys to admit that is like pulling teeth.

The bottom line is that quote shows Obama has issues.
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Well, obviously. Otherwise there would have been no book! We’re not saying he’s perfect or has never had any problems to deal with, we’re just saying he’s not racist, and in particular he doesn’t oppose interracial relationships.

spob:
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Here is how I would handle this:
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The first thing is to realize that Obama, even if you still don’t like him, is human, and not a demon. I don’t know where you stand on that right now, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you at least are reconsidering that approach.
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Here is then, the context that was referred to above:
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1. Obama, being the product of an interracial marriage clearly is not likely to be against it, given that he doesn’t hate himself. This statement can then be taken as a characterization of interracial marriage as others would perceive it.
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2. That even though that paragraph is a stand-alone thing, one should look at the context of preceding and following paragraphs.
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I do not know when, or where he was, and what he said before and after he made this statement to be able to evaluate it.
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However, once one admits the humanness of Obama, and realizes that he is certainly well enough adjusted to have been able to cope with the trials and tribulations he has experienced already, I think that anyone can begin to categorize their interpretations of just what he meant by the likelihood that interpretation is true.
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Therefore, I would say that any interpretation that points toward self hatred is very unlikely, given that the statement is isolated from it’s context.
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When, for example, I debate with other right wingers filled with hatred of Obama, what usually is the main feature is the fact that they invariably make these two mistakes:
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1. Demonize Obama, thus placing his motive outside normal human nature
2. Having disconnected Obama from normal human nature, are free then to choose the least likely of interpretations.
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I know this is kinda wordy, but pick though it, and if you question it, I’ll try to explain better.

Spob:
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If you’re there, take a look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/17/interracial.marriage/index.html
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There are a couple things I missed in this debate, and one of them is that he refused to issue a marriage license, which, I believe, is part of his job.
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This changes things.

Paul;

Don’t believe BH’s parents were married.

Just reading through some back posts by the people you mentioned, the different uses of syntax, sentence structure and speaking style are either by seperate individuals, or else the person is a certifiable genius to have mastered the art.

Tangipahoa Parish has another claim to fame: It was the filming location for In the Heat of the Night, the TV show about race and the law.

See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/not-in-tangipahoa-parish/

To fhmadvocat–correction: Max Cleland was a senator from Georgia, not Alabama. We’re still pi$sed about Saxby Chambliss defeating Cleland based in part on TV ads suggesting Cleland was weak on defense and somehow linked with bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
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Doesn’t affect your main point, of course. The whole Cleland thing still bothers me, obviously. Shameful.

I’d love to hear this judge’s views on abortion. You know, since he’s wanting to deny the possible existence of children that might be created as a result of the marriage of an interracial couple.

I’m trying to imagine applying for a marriage license and being denied by a state government official because that official feels that, for some reason, my partner and I:
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a) will have children (which isn’t a given), and
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b) those children will struggle because of their mixed race.
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It would be one thing if the judge was aware of, for example, serious physical abuse of one partner by the other. I don’t know if this would be legally problematic, but I could at least understand and sympathize with the judge. This situation, however, is ridiculous.
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And whenever you have to talk about who uses your bathroom, you’ve got issues.

I don’t think Obama has any “self-hatred”. The guy obviously doesn’t have any self-esteem issues.
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In any event, my point about Obama is that he clearly has issues when it comes to race. I brought him up originally because of the interracial relationship issue. Obviously, I like taking shots at Obama, and I think this is a fair one to take.
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As a substantive matter, I don’t think Obama is even-handed on race, and I think, given his history, that’s a very relevant and fair comment to make. I also think that he was very arrogant to talk about leading a national conversation on race when he has his own issues and wades in on racial controversies (l’Affaire Gates and Jena) in a slanted way.

” .. And whenever you have to talk about who uses your bathroom, you’ve got issues. ..”

Perhaps we are asking the JOP to move too fast. The JOP has come a long way: Now he allows the white and black sh*t to mix – on his premises …

[Now, will he continue inviting the African-Americans into his house if he realizes that he breaths in the same air they breathed out moments earlier ... maybe, mixed-air is to be outlawed .. ]

Yet he is really one of us, unleashed. He probably hates the gypsies too. And the huns. And the pollaks. And the …