Boss Rush Bullrushed

Which Republicans will try and learn from this?
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Seriously, name names.
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Maybe Dick Lugar, maybe Lindsey Graham, maybe… um… well, that’s about it. As they were pointing out at Balloon Juice, about Gov. Perry’s coverup of the murder he committed, “It isn’t a few bad apples with the GOP. The whole d*mned barrel is rotten to the core.”
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They thrive on the fact that they’re extreme and that the country hates them. It’s their whole shtick.

So do you think this ends it Joe? I’d brace myself if I were you….

You need better heroes, 2/3rds of a nut…

I think he wants to add “football” to this GOP enemies list, 53. Good luck with that!

After all, 2/3rds of a nut, it was rich white people who shut him out, and not Black Americans at all, as he routinely contends.
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I so love the markets, don’t you 2/3rds? Of course, now that the NFL owners have spoken, maybe you could propose that the government get involved to right this “wrong”.
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Love watching worms squirm on the needle of hypocrisy, do I…

Of course, left unsaid is the fact that you can commit appalling acts of cruelty to dogs and be on an NFL field.

Take back the NFL! Bring your guns to the games! Tea bag Rush Limbaugh to show your solidarity with the Fat White One!
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Maybe he’ll lone woof and NFL owners will become the next targets of right wing terrorists, Elvis…

Of course, spob, but note that the individual in question has already paid the price to society.
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Or is it that you are proposing a new kind of “Death Panel”…

Thank you spob. Was feeling so alone on here.

Who would you suggest 53?

buttsniffing, 2/3rds of a nut?

The NFL has spoken. It’s done.
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The Great White Fat One can go home and cry, for all I care.

“There’s nothing more mainstream conservative American, more red state than blue, than professional football”

Actually Joe, by my count only 9 of 32 NFL teams are in Red States. Even if you go by the 2004 electoral chart, the majority of NFL teams still reside in “blue america”.

your witticism leaves me speechless 53_3.

And, of course, factless, as usual…

Of course, spob, but note that the individual in question has already paid the price to society.

I am willing to be supremely generous and say that if Rush is willing to voluntarily spend 23 months behind bars in contrition for his past behavior then I won’t object to his ownership of the Rams.

When you right wing feces can respond with something approaching intelligence, then I might change my tune. In the meantime, you’ll just have to endure these rather sharp and accurate slings and arrows.
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Until then, keep worshiping your Messiah and maybe that Sleeping White Giant* will awaken!
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*As rustyreturns so eloquently put it.

Maybe this will inspire Rush to “go Galt.” Fingers crossed.

Thank God. Rush is coming on. Time for my daily dose of sanity.

Amazing the stupidity in here–that Vick has “paid his price” means that he gets absolution, but Limbaugh, who has committed no crime like that, gets banned. All I can say is “wow”.
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By the way, square1, still want to defend Sotomayor’s statement that Ginsburg’s dissent would have affirmed the Second Circuit in Ricci.

The Black community has elevated many Americans who disavowed their ways to hero status.
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Wallace, one of the worst, became highly respected. Rush could do the same.

You can’t call Rush the Messiah. The name has already been taken by you know who.

Spob:
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Rush is not serving any sentances. He is not on parole for any violations of the law. He is not paying any price to society whatsoever.
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What has happened that the Free Market has spoken, spoob.
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Don’t you support the Market’s actions?
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Oh, how deeply the needle of hypocrisy stabs…

Is that all you can manage, 2/3rds of a nut? More rhetoric?
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So far, I’ve presented several facts, and neither you, nor spob, nor xxception, nor anyone else on the right can counter them.
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Except with more inane and senseless rhetoric.
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FYI, Rush has been around longer than Obama, and being as you and others like you obediently and unquestioningly call yourselves “dittoheads”, there is no question that Rush deserves the title.
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Or did you already forget that he claimed the mantle of conservatism – and – the GOP as well.
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How relentlessly stupid you are!

It just goes to show that in the short run the oft used liberal tactic of smearing someone whose opinion differs from their own with slander and lies has once again proven effective. I must have faith that in the long run truth is a more powerful thing.

Stick that needle deep in your arm, you factless twit…

Show me!
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Which lies?
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Show me where, place facts on the table.
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If you can…

To add ot it, you definition of ‘opinion’ is different than most Americans.
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Most Americans like to have facts supporting their opinions. Yours and theirs are based entirely on faith that your peers are telling the truth and,
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in that case,
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Just whom is really worshiping messiahs?

It seems the Democrats haven’t changed much.

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/images/2007/09/19/9162007_democrats_then_and_now.jpg

The racist quotes attributed to Limbaugh were never spoken, they were made up by a liberal blogger. It’s the truth. Deal with it.

First of all, SFB, nowhere have I stated that the NFL doesn’t have the right to keep Limbaugh out. Quite bluntly, I don’t feel the need to regulate everything in the world in accordance with my sense of fairness.
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All I was doing was remarking on the interesting notion that the NFL is considered the paragon of moral virtue here. Rush is bad for business. That’s what this comes down to.
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I might also add that a few years ago, an NFL cornerback uttered appallingly offensive racial comments to a police officer. He was not banned.

Spob: Rush hasn’t been banned. Business people made a business decision that Rush would be bad for business.

It was largely because his image is offensive to their customers. It may have also been in part because including Rush in the ownership team would make the team less competitive as many players would either refuse to play for St. Louis or demand a premium to play there.*

Clearly, Rush’s potential partners made a business decision that he was a liability for the group.

*Incidentally, a black player who asked for more money up front to play for Rush’s team would not be cynically putting a price on their principles. After seeing Rush’s apparently raced-based underappreciation of Donovan McNabb, many black players might rightly question whether their future performance would be fully valued at subsequent contract negotiations and want $$$ up front.

Fact: Rush’s listenership is up a couple of million already today. Fact. The name Soros has been mentioned already. We must keep in mind that the NfL is big business, and we know how our government loves big business.

Who could’ve possibly imagined that a business with 50%+ minority employees and prob 30%+ minority customers would think twice about handing over one of their few franchises to a guy who makes a living race-baiting?!

I don’t understand you republitards; I thought you guys were free-marketeers.

Rush Limbaugh has a free speech right to say whatever he wishes. Rush can call Donovan McNabb an affirmative action quarterback or play “Barack the Magic Negro” as much a he wants. Private businesses set ther own standards of acceptable speech. Limbaugh crossed the line from the NFL standpoint. Jim Irsay, the Colts owner, the Commissioner, and various ex-players spoke out against Limbaugh becoming an owner.
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The conservatives folks decrying Limbaugh’s fate would be asking for the same measure to be taken if Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton were the proposed owners of an NFL franchise.
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Limbaugh can stay true to his racist self and gain the expected support from modern conservatives. The GOP remains the White People’s Party.

Er, snark aside, what does Soros have to do w/ any of this?

It’s a nothing story but one funny part to me is that his ex-partners shoved him away so publicly.

Why not tell him privately and let Rush bow out pretending he was taking the high road?

See my post upthread re: business decision.

IQ 53

If you get any dumber you will need to be watered twice a day. I love how liberals want facts but only “facts” they deem to be correct.

http://www.mrc.org/static/uploads/RushtoRuin.pdf

There is a listing of all the lies and distortions that the vile left has used against Rush. It is a tactice used by them with anyone who disagrees. The left have full employment in the race baiting industry. McCarthyism has nothing on the modern day left wing nuts.

Now take your meds and head back to Mom’s basement

What Republicans should learn from this is that they need to put away the toys and get down to the business of discrediting fascistic smearers, such as those who spread a bogus Rush quote.
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One of those was RachelMaddow, and you’ll know that the Republicans have learned their lesson when every time she’s mentioned they point out that she broadcast that phony quote and still has not retracted her smear.

Irsay? The man who folded the tent and moved out in the dead of night? Great spokeman!

Johnny Unitas has a resturant in Baltimore called the Golden Arm. The men’s room is aptly named the “Irsay Room”

53_3 That’s just downright mean. I thought that was a reaction only us righties were able to exhibit.

“Irsay? The man who folded the tent and moved out in the dead of night?”
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What year do you believe this to be? What do you believe to be Irsay’s first name?

kattest, it may well be true that Maddow used an errant quote.
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But don’t allow yourself to fantasize that this whole controversy is based on a fabricated quote. It’s not: http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130049
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For example, “Look it, let me put it to you this way. The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There I said it.” And, “[I]n Obama’s America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering.”
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Do not deceive yourself. America hates people like you with eyes wide open, for exactly what you are.

Soros is a partner of Rush’s would be partner. Don’t know yet if that means anything, I’m jut sayin’……

I might also add that a few years ago, an NFL cornerback uttered appallingly offensive racial comments to a police officer. He was not banned.

At heart, Rush’s problem isn’t that he is a racist (although he is). His big problem is that he is an unmitigated a–hole. It isn’t about saying one or to things that are beyond the pale. It is about saying tens of thousands of things that are intended to disparage, insult, and offend groups that he doesn’t like.

The modern GOP has a malicious, bullying streak that runs directly through it. They aren’t merely offensive. They are offensive for fun.

These Republicans insult people just for the sake of it in order to show that (A) they can and (B) they don’t give a sh-t what you think. Rush is the leader of the segment of the GOP that embraces the culture of a–hole-ism.

Your comparison of Rush to the cornerback (Brian Williams) might initially appear to be fair. But Williams’ comments are more analogous to the drunken ranting of Mel Gibson. Gibson is a religious conservative and his drunken comments about Jews were arguably far worse than any individual comment that Rush has publicly made.

However, I have no doubt that if Gibson wanted to become a limited partner in an NFL team his comments would not be an ultimate barrier. Why? Because Gibson’s comments, while offensive, are not part of a larger pattern of behavior. Also Gibson was immediately contrite and regretted his offensive comments. Rush never apologizes for offensive comments because offending people is his intention.

The Confederate flag folks are noe Republican voters. The GOP cannot use it’s past to justify the present. The GOP tries to claim various African-Americans as members to prove that it is diverse, but reality comes to bite the party in the rear
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Recently there was an attempt to claim Jackie Robinson as a member. the full story is that Robinson campaigned for Rockefeller in 1964. Robinson attended the 1964 Republican Convention and was repelled by the State Right Goldwater voters. Robinson campaigned for Humphrey in 1968.
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The GOP has also tried to claim MLK Jr as a Republican. MLK wrote about Goldwater in King’s self titled autobiography. King said, that while Goldwater may not have been a racist, Goldwater was willing to work in tandem with racists. MLK Jr felt that people of good conscience could not vote for Goldwater.
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The GOP simply cannot deal with it’s image. Goldwater is a GOp hero, but a villain to others. Blacks give the GOP as much thought as the GOP gives Blacks….none.
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The All-White lineup of GOP Senators repeating the “Wise Latina ” line to try to beat Sotomayor into submission gave a clear message to Latino voters about where they fit i the GOP’s plan. Even before the Sotomayor flare-up, Democrats carried Latinos 2-1 nationally. Obama even got the majority of the Latino vote in Cuban-American heavy Florida.
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As long as the GOP keeps it’s current tone, it will remain a mostly Southern party with a few victories sprinkled around the rest of the country.

Paul , modern conservatives are trapped in a time warp. They can’t tell the difference between Robert Irsay and Jim Irsay.
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This time warp is why they always quote the Civil War era GOP to make us forget the State’ Rights, Southern Strategy GOP of today.
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It’s sad , but oddly entertaining watching them trying to cope with the current demographics. They just don’t know how to communicate with those outside their ethnic buffer zone.

All Rush would have had to do would be to buy Sharpton and Jackson’s silence. Problem solved. Could have done it with pocket change. Damn scruples, always getting in the way….

Black Americans vote overwhelmingly for Democrats because they have fallen into the nanny state trap laid by those same Democrats. The social programs of liberalism have led to 68% dropout rate for black students, led to tragically high percentage of homes with no father in the home, and destroyed their upward mobility. It’s almost as sinister as slavery. Every Democrat should hang their head in shame.

rmrd, it really is entertaining.
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Reading one of them last week repeatedly railing about that darn NAMBLA supporting *Ken* Jennings had me laughing pretty hard.

Letting Rush take the high road would have greatly diminished the the chill running up the legs.

53_3, you would think that conservative would realize that they way they treated Ronald Reagan after death trumped anything found in the Bible. The Christian Messiah arose from burial on the third day after death, before the body could be anointed.
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Reagan died June 5, 2004. The state funeral was 6 days later on June 11th. Conservatives treated Reagan in a fashion above that of the true Messiah.

“Soros is a partner of Rush’s would be partner.”
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Huh?
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“Don’t know yet if that means anything, I’m jut sayin’…”
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I guess you’ll just have to wait until Master Limbaugh puts out that meme then, eh?

Now here’s a thought.(yes us righties get one once in a while). Mark Cuban despises and demonizes our military. To the point of producing a movie about it. It’s perfectly okay for him to own an NBA team. But noooo! We Can’t have Rush getting in the mix. Have we really sunk this low?

Boy, when you Wingnuts are in a whole you just never can stop digging, can you? Limbaugh was unceremoniously dumped by the bidding group (not by Sharpton, Jackson, Soros or any other assinine boogeyman) because they realized it wouldn’t fly WITH THE PUBLIC. I know you live in a self-reinforcing bubble where Limbaugh is some sort of God-King, but just about everyone outside his listener base knows him to be an aggressively divisive, racist pig. Oh, and a drug addict to boot.
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The NFL is the most broadly popular sports league in the country, and the owners know that a hateful demagogue like Limbaugh would be bad for business. Free market, hoorah!
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Its interesting on a couple of levels that he would seek purchase of the Rams. One, they are the worst team in the NFL having lost 15 games in a row dating back to last season. Second, they play in a publicly funded stadium- yeah corporate welfare!, and much of the value of the franchise is derived from them having sucked the taxpayers into building them a stadium and handing over the keys. Third, the Rams led the league in donations to Democratic political candidates, so perhaps that is one of the things Limbaugh would first change about the organization.

manofamerica is 68% dropout rate ( I assume you talking about the worst guess for Detroit couldn’t be poossible since GW Bush’s No Child Left behind was soo successful, at least that is what conservatives told the country.
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So was No child Left Behind a lie told by conservatives?
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African-Americans vote for Democrats because they do not venture where they are not wanted. They cannot stand the racist stench coming from the GOP. Florida doctors who portray an African-American President as a witch doctor with a bone threw his nose become GOP heroes.

Ask African-Americans if they did better economically under Bill Clinton or GW Bush. Aside from the racist stench fro the GOP, African-Americans vote their pocket books. Working people did better under Democrats than under President Bush who had economic advisers stating that making a hamburger was a manufacturing job.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/20/business/20jobs.html

Here’s another thought Cuban producing a movie about a fictional event (meaning it never happened) might be different than Limbaugh saying that he hopes the President (and by default the country) fails.
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Perhaps a fictional movie is different than cheering the fact that a US city lost their Olympic bid to another (meaning foreign) country.
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Perhaps playing a song calling a living individual a “Magic Negro” is different than a fictional movie.
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Just a thought

The truth about Limbaugh.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_rush_limbaugh_is_a_leading.html

People making racist statements once don’t get banned, spob.
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People who trade in racial hatred on a regular basis, on the other hand, deserve what they get.
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You looze. again.

Fortunately, while the worst of those lines WHERE made up, Rush still has a good chunk of offensive and racist comments that can be verified. So quit playing the victim.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

The ‘Magic Negro’ parody stems from an article written by liberal columnist DAVID EHRENSTEIN of the L.A. Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,3391015.story

Does that mean liberals are racists?

I should point out an elementary fact here, that neither of you were smart enough to address:
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When you claim innocence for Rush on the racial front, did you ever ask Black Americans what they think?
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No?
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Is it because you, in your ignorance, never realized that you have no right to decide for them what they consider, or don’t consider, an insult?
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If I were to apply the same reasoning to the discourse here, I could simply claim that I have not insulted your lack of intelligence, nor do you have the right to dispute me!
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You looze, again, again.

He realy has a song calling Obama a magic negro?

Sorry I was using a liberal tactic of guiilt by association.

“Black Americans vote overwhelmingly for Democrats because they have fallen into the nanny state trap laid by those same Democrats.”
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Manofamerica, you could not be stupider. That’s as stupid goes.
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Did you know that 40% of Black Americans are actually conservative, but of those, only a few percent of them will even touch the GOP because of their recent history in regards to race?
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I stronly suggest that you talk to the horse at the source. Your statement on the face of it, is baldly ignorant, as you really do not and will not learn anything whatsoever about the Black Community
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Go on, Manofamerica! Ask!

Fictional true, nonetheless very hateful to our men and women in uniform. So cotroversial that it was banned in most theatres. That said, Cuban makes no secret of his disdain for the military. The earth is round on that one. As for the olympics, They cost a nation money. They wreak havoc on whatever city they’re held in. There’s as many people on the left as there is on the right that are glad the Olympics went somewhere else.

All I really need to do here is to comments at 13.4
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That is all.
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You right wing feces looze again, for the 3rd time.

Yes artteacher there is such a song. Quite humorous too.

To make another point to all you right wing fecal pellets:
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Rush Limbaughs’ listenership is more akin to a shrinking pool in a drought stricken region.
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All the “animals” drinking this water will congregate at that location.
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And another thing:
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Rush Limbaughs listenership numbers are completely and totally irrelavent!

If you read the SI article, Rush never did a “trial balloon”.
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It just came out in the official proposal. Rush never tested their reaction before hand.
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You’ll read it in that SI article.
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The rw buttnuggets looze there, too!

Ask me if I care.
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Consider it payback for having to put up with 40 years of Southern Strategy…

Taste the waste, rw buttnuggets…

Now they kicked that one guy off the radio for calling those basketball player nappy headed hose. Don’t you think they should do the same to this retard? And no I’m sorry I don’t find the humor in racism

Glad you find the song so humorous. Who commissioned the song to be written? If Rush had someone write the song isn’t rush responsible for his own actions.
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It is similar to someone using the N-word. The person acnnot use the fat that Snoop Dogg uses the word to justify his/hr use of the word. Unless Snoop Dogg had a gun to the person’s head at the time the words were spoken the person made a conscious decision to say the word. The person will be judged based on the fact that the word came out of his/her mouth.
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A man takes responsibility for their action. Limbaugh played the song, you enjoy the song. Both you and Rush get judged.
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The response is just another example of why most African-American would not want to be in a party with someone who enjoys listening to Limbaugh.

Neither do I aratteacher. They have the ignorant gall to claim these things are not racist when they have never asked what Black Americans what their opinions are!
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The NFL players who have come forward, and these rw fecal pellets still claim, against the very people who know that there is no racism.
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How stupid can one get?

Hell, they wanted ot carve his likeness on Mount Rushmore!
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Imagine if we suggested that for Barak, which I don’t…

What the person who made the post doesn’t get is how offensive the song is to many other Americans. He says he doesn’t see the racism, but then feels the need to try to place blame for the song elsewhere. Conservatives never take responsibility for their own actions, it’s always the fault of someone else.

Here is yet another instance of ignorance of the Black community exhibited by none other than yourself, 2/3rds of a nut:
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Only a twenty percent of those in the Black community hold those two in high esteem!
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Ignorance is so colorful when you display it so proudly, 2/3rds of a nut…

Hate to kick in here, too, but whether 2/3rds of a nut likes it or not, the N-word has a racial context.
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Yet another aspect of 2/3rds of a nut’s ignorance on display.
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Ask! 2/3rds, ask!

They rage against everything this president does. I mean I didn’t pay that much attention to politics when Clinton was in office but I don’t remember people carrying around signs of him as Hitler and all that crap. I really think that allot of these people just don’t want a black president.

I mean when he was trying to reform health care.

Exactly rmrd.
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These buttnuggets hide behind their own claims that this or that isn’t racist to dodge it.
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But, as one can easily see, they are very deficient in their knowledge of the very people they demonize – and – it is for better or worse, glaringly on display.

Obviously you’ve never heard the song. There’s nothing racial about it. It actually belittles racism. You heard somewhere that Rush is a racist. You know that he is large and white and was for a period of time addicted to pain pills. That’s the extent of your knowledge of him. Period. You don’t know me either, and you’re too consumed with hatred to want to.

Did you notice that everything they claim on this issue are urban myths the GOP has generated about Black Americans during the past 40 years of Southern Strategy?
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They make all these claims, yet they know absolutely nothing about them!

I’ve heard the song, 2/3rds of a nut.
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The problem with you is that you refuse to accept that it is insulting and racist.
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That is the opinion of most Black Americans.
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Ask!
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If you dare, 2/3rds.
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In the meantime, I’m not hating, I’m enjoying this opportunity to shred yours and every other argument presented here today with facts
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You and your right wing buttnuggets haven’t succeeded in successfully rebut any of them!

I point above to 2/3rds of a nuts response above to show just how ignorant he is!
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Of course, he doesn’t think it’s racist, but he will ascribe to nothing as elementary as asking Black Americans what they think!
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Relentless stupidity!

As a matter of fact, even if you were Black, my argument is so cogent and unassailable that it is not open to dispute.
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Because even if you were, I know, and you would know as well, you would be a very small minority with in the Black community.
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And no. I do not want to know you. Your ignorance has preceded you…

2thirdsrocks why do yall hate Obama so much?

There are plenty of blacks out there that I would happily vote for. I vote values not skin color. I liked Obama until I got to know him. Saying people just don’t want a black president is racist in itself. My black friends don’t call themselves african americans, they call themselves American. They resent the other title. We remember that Barack has a white mother. My 2 grandsons are mixed race. I love them dearly. I was at the 9/12 ralley in DC. There was a couple of nazi sign carriers early, but they felt our scorn. We are tired of the racism. It’s your type that will never let it die.

I hate no one. Hate makes you ugly, just like 53_3. I do however despise far left policies that can only weaken and destroy a great nation. I don’t want to become the United States of Chicago.

2thirdrocks, I’m going to point a common behavior pattern that I see in White conservatives. 53_3 told you that the song was racist. 53_3 also noted that he read the SI article about Limbaugh. So despite, the fact the you and 53_3 have had a heated discussion, 53_3 has indicated that he reads things, not just goes by what he hears.
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You overlook the evidence in front of you suggesting that 53_3 makes up his own mind based on information is has observed or read. You suggest that 53_3′s opinion on Limbaugh is based on what he has heard. You reduce 53_3 to the level of an infant incapable of independent thought.
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53_3 had heard the song. 53_3 believes the song to be racist as do I. I have heard the song as well.
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The fact that stares us in the face hear is that you feel that you alone get to determine what is racist. You dismiss the comments from 53_3 because in your subconscious, he could not have made an independent decision about Rush Limbauh based on analysis of facts. 53_3 had to be told what to think.
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Your impression of 53_3 is typical of White conservatives who interact with African-Americans. It is condescension at it’s highest.
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Now imagine walking into a meeting or convention where that stereotype is the norm. The tenor of the discussion on race, when conducted with conservatives is depressing, for most African-Americans. In the end we find the discussion not worth the effort. Truth be told we simply don’t want to be in the same political meetings or conventions with people who have the biased stereotype of why Blacks vote for Democrats. You avoid looking yourself in the mirror. You cannot hide your inner feelings from us. Those feelings come out as they did in your dismissal of 53_3′s opinion of Rush Limbaugh.
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You may not want to accept it, but 53_3 made up his own mind on Limbaugh …..and you.

Well it’s good to hear that you’re not a hater on a personal level but you have to admit Barrack the Magic Negro doesn’t come from a place of jovial wit. I’m quite certain that if that song was aimed at your grandsons you would not find the humor, you would find the racism.

Is it not the policies of that FAR right nut bag George Bush that has just about crippled our great nation in all most every way?

I just don’t remember all this criticism when Clarence Thomas was being confirmed. The democrats all but crucified him. Where was the outrage then? Condoleza Rice was persecuted daily by the left, again no outrage. I guess they call that selective racism. Okay for some, but not for others. George Bush(no I’m not kissing his butt), had the most racially diverse cabinet in the history of the presidency. Not a mention.

Ok let’s say he wasn’t a racist that’s fine I’m talking about him robbing and pillaging our country for the last 8 years

2thirdsrocks, African-American or Black is used as a sense of pride by many. it reflects a proud history backed up by service in the country from before the Revolutionary War to the present. We are all American. Your friends can call themselves whatever they wish in the land of the free, but the term is no more offensive than the term Irish-American heard around St Patrick’s Day or German-American during Oktoberfest.
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From a historical standpoint, many Europeans took time to go from “the Irish”, for example, to “American”. Of course the transition for those groups was somewhat more rapidly because segregation did make skin color an important factor for centuries.
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Many people of European descent make an effort to travel to their ancestral homes flung throughout Europe. They are still considered American.
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The idea that African-Americans are rejecting the US or have something to apologize for because of use of the term is in itself un-American. African-American is a celebration of “E Pluribus Unum”.

Percentage-wise African-Americans have defended this country in numbers above their representation in the population. So if you are trying to say that the use of the term is anti-American, you can stuff it. We are all Americans and we all get to determine what we want to be called as individuals. Your friends and you can be offended as I embrace the term. Welcome to the USA.

That seems to be the standard mantra of the left. Never seems to be coupled with much fact though. Again I’m not here to kiss George’s butt, he did make some mistakes. I feel his biggest mistake was thinking he could reach across the aisle and work with the left. He reached so far that he abandoned our conservative principles. He was president when the stimulus was passed, but he was not the author. Remember, the democrats controlled the house and the senate. He went along with it, much to our dismay. We haven’t forgotten. Barak won the presidency mainly because a large block of our voters stayed home on election day. Give me your assessment as to how George crippled our country. But please, give me researchable facts.

2thirdsrocks, Colin Powell was so respected that when he went before the UN to talk about Iraq’s WMD, we went to war.
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It was only later in the GW Bush administration that we saw Powell get run over by the Neo-cons. .
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When there was a possible Presidential run by Colin Powell, it was not imaginary “crazy racist lefties” in the Democratic Party who attempted to destroy Powell, it was members of the GOP. Neo-cons threatened to release information that would damage Powell politically and were bold enough to go on camera to say it.
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Powell, followed in the footsteps of Arthur Fletcher, another African-American Republican who was flung into the waste bin, when he had served his purpose.

Republicans don’t have any problem idolizing a drug-addled bigoted sex tourist, so it stands to reason why they would be confused as to why the NFL would reject him so profusely.

Slow learners with zero true principles.

Let me see if I understand the argument. Paulson never came to Congress and told the Democrats that economic action had to be taken now? Paulson was acting without the knowledge of GW bush. Bush couldn’t veto a Democratic bill?.
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The deficit didn’t increase during the period when the GOP controlled the Presidency, Senate, and House?
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The Iraq War wasn’t mismanaged by GW Bush.
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The DOJ didn’t become an arm of the WH political machinery?
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SEC oversight wasn’t non-existent.
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If GW Bush and the GOP did no harm, why did McCain lose? Why were Democrats trusted more on the economy and national defense?
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If Bush was so great “Wha’ happened”?

Another authority on Rush heard from.

And, rather than an actual rebuttal, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Got anything reality-related to say 2/3s?

Powell was the reason we didn’t continue into Iraq during the ’91 gulf war. A mistake of Bush 41. Had we proceeded, history could have played out very differently, with a lot less bloodshed on both sides. The difference between my party and yours is that we will hold our own peoples feet to the fire. You’re party does no wrong. So the GOP had imformation that could damage Powell politically? hmmmm. I wonder what that imformation was.

You’ll have to be more specific ohiolib. referring to what?

Line 36.1 Another authority on Rush heard from

Rather than actually explain why notfooled is wrong, you simply dismiss him as clueless. Yes, it is an ad hominem attack that ignores issues.

…………….The difference between my party and yours is that we will hold our own peoples feet to the fire. You’re party does no wrong.
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LOL

2thirdsrocks, c’mon. Even Limbaugh admits that he was carrying water for GW Bush.
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I’ll start with this:
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Criticism directed at GW Bush was called Bush Derangement Syndrome and was countered by Republicans, you do remember that don’t you?
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I’ll also mention the fact that Obama has been criticized from the left for the bank bailout, lack of vigorous support for the public option in health care, Guantanamo, not playing attention to the aftermath of Katrina, etc.
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Look, if you’re just going to make things up, there is no point to the discussion. Bush was protected by the GOP and Conservatives including Limbaugh. Obama has received criticism from the left.
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As far as not holding people’s feet to the fire, try actually reading articles about Max Baucus and Harry Reid on left-leaning blogs.
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Come with factual arguments next time.

rmrd, I don’t remember calling George Bush great. That’s something you made up. The dems reaked havoc on his watch and he let it happen. I’ve never had much use for Mcain, and everyone knows there was no love lost between him and Bush either. History shows that whenever the economy is in the tank the party always changes in the whitehouse. As far as his “mismanagement” of the war, that’s a subject that will be pondered for decades. My son is a marine who spent last summer in Iraq, and is now currently in Afganistan. What little bit of hair I have has turned snow white, yet you would probably label me as just another warmonger. George wanted to simply go in, kick ass, and take names. Your party tied his hands every step of the way. Lots of blame to go around, your party has plenty of blood on it’s hands too. Our government needs a real good dose of housecleaning, on both sides of the aisle. In your eyes though, your party can do no wrong. I call myself a conservative, if one day my party returns to conservative principles, I will again be able to call myself a republican. I do know, love him or hate him, that Bush met with his military commanders at least once a week, compared to once in 70 days like our current CIC. Perhaps that’s why the past 3 months of Afganistan have been the deadliest since the war started. My son has lost 3 of his buddies so far, thank God he’ll be leaving in a couple of weeks. 2nd battalion 3rd marines. Translated: 2/3 ROCKS!!

Go back to line 26.1 There you will find my answer. I flunked typing and don’t feel like repeating myself.

manofamerica:
“Black Americans vote overwhelmingly for Democrats because they have fallen into the nanny state trap laid by those same Democrats. …”

1) Do you live in that “nanny trap”?
Do you know of a relative or friend or a rightwing “redneck” who is on medicare or food stamps or “disability” or ..?

2) Do we find that “nanny trap” is inhabited overwhelmingly by Black Americans?

3) Every now and then the Republicans have had the numbers in Congress needed to do away with that “nanny state trap laid by those same Democrats.” They even had their popular Reagan. Why haven’t they bothered to do so?

4) Do you know if the Black Americans comprise a majority – and hence the main beneficiaries – of those in that “nanny state trap”?

5) Do well-to-do Americans vote Democrat? Why?

6) Are Republicans aware that Black America – according to you – nurses ill-will against them? Have Republicans found out why, as stated by you, they are shunned by Black America?

7) Why do they have Michael Steele sticking out there like a sore thumb while claiming to be their leader? Is that their approach to attracting the inhabitants of “the nanny state trap laid by .. Democrats”?
Or do Republicans get a kick out of being reminded constantly that they are disliked?

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The DJA hits 10,000 on its way up and the Republicans are not rejoicing in rapture. That is OK – although I would expect lots of rejoicing from that group if it hit 1,000 on its way down.

What bugs me is that they are not condemning it in no uncertain terms ….

cognitive dissonance,
……………………………………George wanted to simply go in, kick ass, and take names.
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The War began 03/19/2003 correct?
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Which party controlled the White House, Senate and House at that time?
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If the GOP had control of the Presidency and both levels in Congress, what did the Democrats do to prevent the kicks and name-taking.
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I thank your son for his service. I also have family members in the military.and in combat areas, thus, I bow to no one regarding patriotism.

Poor Blacks, in general, are less likely to vote than middle or upper class African-Americans. Middle and upper class Blacks support Democrats as well.
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The GOP will not address racism in it’s ranks. Note that 2thirdsrocks constantly blames others for the failings of the GOP.

Here’s my 2 cents worth. Rush has alot of money. He was interested in becoming a part owner for the profit potential and the hightened visibility it would give him. He’s also controversial and controversy sells. How many times did we see Shaq vs, Kobe on Christmas day after the split? Every Christmas would be the answer. That controversy sold but there was never an undercurrent of racism. It was just plain old animosity.

There are undercurrents of racism with Rush and it would only be a distraction taking away focus from the game. The talk wouldn’t be about what was happening on the field, it would be on what was happening off the field. A bad business decision pure and simple. There would be either boycotts or the threat of boycotts.

It’s possible the idea was put out there to gauge public reaction and see what the cost/benefit would be. The reactions were swift and Rush was dumped in an effort at damage control. He’s mad and will get some mileage out of it with his base. He both lost and won. It was a trial balloon that was a miscalculation by Rush’s potential partners.

rmrd, the blue dogs hold Obama’s feet to the fire on the public option because they know it’s a huge mistake. They hold his feet to the fire on Guantanamo because they know closing it would also be a huge mistake. The katrina aftermath debacle is the result of an inept, corrupt failed state and local government. 60 years worth. Ray “chocolate city” Nagan and Kathleen Blanco failed they’re citizens miserably. I can’t blame that on Obama, although his policies mirror theirs.
I’ll stand by my statement about the dems fighting Bush all the way. Threatening to boycott funding for the troops, John Kerry and Jack Murtha calling them murderers, the selective outrage over Abu Graib, the liberal media with it’s ongoing body count(funny how they’re not doing that during this administration) and the list goes on. If you want more I can go on, but you’ll have to wait ’cause my stomach thinks my throat’s cut. Gotta eat. I must however likewise thank your family that serves in the military. At least theirs one thing we can find common ground on. I mean that sincerely.

A mis calculation by Rush’s potential partner, who in the past has partnered in deals with George Soros. Again I have no proof that that means anything, I’m just saying…….

Very happy to see the DOW rising. I’d be even happier though to see jobs returning. I could sure use one.

I think that both the reaction and the end result were entirely predictible. They obviously felt that it was at least worth seeing what the reaction would be. It’s also possible that their goal all along was to have the NFL weigh in and get free publicity for a franchise on the selling block. If we believe that any publicity is good publicity, they got their money’s worth.

Good luck on the jobs front.

The dems reaked havoc on his watch and he let it happen

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What planet where you living on for the past few years? I seem to recall both parties, the press,and the country and general practically pi$$ing themselves to carry out dubya’s will. Not only that, but the R’s controlled congress for 6 out of Dubya’s 8 years. No one grew a spine until he started torturing and was caught lying about WMDs, and implying there was a connection between Iraq and Iran. But you’re right about one thing.
There’s blood on the Ds hands all right. Blood for not standing up to our former CIC, a dumb-as-a-brick cowboy with no clue and no plan for the ME wars, and whose foreign policy boiled down to “babble incoherently and flail around with a big stick”,

Been an avid dittohead since he first came across the airwaves back in the 80′s, I can confidently say the man does not have a racist bone in his body. It’s easy to inject racism into any subject if you try hard enough, and that’s what they’ve done to him down through the ages. There’s never been a more faithful football fan than ole Rushbo, and it’s safe to say the majority of his hero athletes are black. He wanted to buy a football team simply because he loves football. I listened to his show today, and the man is genuinely hurt. That should make a lot of people happy out there. There were numerous black callers on his show today, all of them angry that he didn’t get the team. I’m sure there are plenty of you out there that would say that was cooked up. I personally believe it was genuine. The man was wronged, plain and simple, and I’m confident the truth will surface eventually. It always does.

I disagee about Rush not being racist, but I think the decision came down to business. The NFL has enough image problems as it is and the certainty of alienating a large number of fans had to be taken into account. Advertisers would feel the heat and they are not going to take lightly the threat of boycotts and alot of adverse publicity. In the end, money talked.

Caught lying about wmd’s ohiolib? The intelligence gathering on Wmd’s started back in the Clinton years. Hillary Clinton herself said that Sadam Hussein was vigourosley pursuing a nuclear weapons program and must not be allowed to proceed. The burden of proof was placed on Sadam to prove that he had dismantled the program. He had 14 yrs. to hide the evidence from 60 inspectors, who were never cooperated with. FYI, a nuclear warhead big enough to destroy the world is small enough to be hidden in a tool shed. Not to hard to hide something of that size in a country the size of Texas. Also very easy to spirit it away in the dead of night across the border to uh, Syria? And how about the overwhelming evidence concerning his chemical weapons program? 300 thousand dead Kurds used as guinee pigs. There are still children being born today with birth defects as a result. A man tells his son at the breakfast table that he’s coming upstairs in a couple of days to search his room for drugs, do you think he’ll find any? I can’t prove that Sadam had a nuclear weapon. Can you prove he didn’t?

I won’t argue with you sacred, you’re too nice of a guy. I like you even more now, knowing that you listen to Rush on a regular basis.

2thirdsrocks:
” .. Very happy to see the DOW rising. ..”

What!
You are NOT going to gratuitously excoriate Pres Obama for it? I mean, shouldn’t he have been gently nursing it instead of kicking it out of the ballpark?

[Are you really a rightwing-nut? Don't you want him to fail]

Sorry cfukara. Not taking the bait.

Of course I can’t prove that he didn’t. It’s a logical impossibility. While much of the evidence did support the idea that Saddam had a WMD program, there was also a good chunk of material indicating that he did not have a WMD program. Bush opted to ignore the evidence that said that Saddam didn’t have a program. And if you want the lie, it’s right here.I
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Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised
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And if you’re going to invade a country, you’d better make darn sure that you have a valid reason for doing so. And yes, he did have a chemical weapons program in the 80s. The question was, was it actually a threat? And that question was never even asked, much less addressed. So yes, Bush lied by saying flatout that Saddam had WMDs. And even if he did, that’s not grounds for an invasion. Threatening to use those weapons might actually be grounds. So, unless there’s evidence stashed somewhere showing that Saddam was planning on using WMDs, there still weren’t any grounds for the war. Nice try though.

I wouldn’t say it’s on a regular basis. It’s just on the radios at work more often than not. I’ll either listen to it for awhile with the guy I’m working with or just leave and go to another building. Usually we’ll compromise and turn it to an oldies station. It still seems strange to hear Led Zeppelin on an oldies station. Time marches on. Btw, it turned out I didn’t have to go into Pittsburgh for my new security clearance card. I had to go to an Air Force base instead. What a great trip. Getting paid to do it didn’t hurt either. Lunch sucked though.

I also wasn’t too thrilled when the guy I rode up with told me that my haircut made me look like a Nazi skinhead..

Oh well, I have to keep mine cut short so they won’t call me Bozo. Glad to hear things are going well for ya. Nothing like getting paid for doing a job you like. Packin’ it in for the night. Long day tomorrow.

4% of African-Americans voted for John McCain. for President. There are young African-American Conservatives who run a website called Hip-Hop Republican. It is possible that some of the group called Rush Limbaugh to voice support. There are African-Americans who have no problem referring to themselves as N-word. i am sure that these N-word folks know who they are. blacks are a diverse people. Some might vote to re-institute slavery, as would some Whites. So yes, the Limbaigh calls could be valid.

Michael Steele had an RNC blog called “What Up”. Many African-Americans found that title to be offensive. Steele talks about Blacks wearing their hats backwards. To many Steele represents the modern version of Steppin’ Fetchit. This view of Steele is not because of his politics. We never get to Steele’s political views because we see a buffoon.

Jeremiah Wright was cut off at the knees by Obama and the Democrats, but Michael Steele is your RNC chair.The other choices were a guy who sent out the Magic Negro song on CD and a guy who belonged to an All-White country club in 2008! Steele’s backward baseball cap references are offensive.
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Audra Shays was elected head of the Young Republicans despite laughing at a racist e-mail sent to her website. I know, you don’t think the e-mail was racist.
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The Obama Waffles, watermelons on the White House lawn, monkey dolls and t-shirts, etc were also not racist. No one in the GOP sees any racism.
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It is normal to show up at townhall meetings armed. It is normal for the Secret Service to be tracking down death threats against President Obama at a rate three times higher than GW Bush. But from your standpoint nothing is going on.
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Bush saw racism in a man killed by being dragged behind a track driven by two White guys. Your detection level for racism seems to be similarly high.
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It really doesn’t matter what you think. The publlc has an image of the GOP on race that is negative. As I read the commentary from you and other Conservatives, nothing will be done to try to change the image of the GOP. You are blind to issues of race.
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Rush is hurt, but probably sees nothing wrong with his behavior. At least Don Imus realized he had crossed the line. I no longer care if Conservatives see no problem. Conservatives participated in inept handling of the War, Katrina, etc.
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Yes Katrina was a federal responsibility. If the Federal government under the GOP cannot respond to a disaster that we knew had a chance of occurring, and stood by while people in the Gulf Coast suffered, how can we trust the GOP to respond to another terror attack? Remember GW sitting in the elementary school class on 9/11.

The country cannot survive another GOP administration, despite wingnut lust for Sarah Palin.
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Conservatives are unable to tell when they have crossed the line on issues of race. Conservatives feel persecuted when GOP racial bias is noted by others. Conservatives blame everyone else for their problems.
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I can have this dispassionate discussion with you because I no longer care what conservatives do on the issue of race. Many African-Americans have come to the same conclusion.
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While Conservatives stand on the sidelines, the rest of us will do the heavy lifting in attempting to deal with race. Conservatives opinions on issues of race are simply unimportant, because conservatives simply don’t care
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2/3rds of a nut sayeth:
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“I have black friends”
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I’ve heard it all now.
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So I, with 40 years experience in the Black community, am wrong, while an ignorant white guy like 2/3rds (apologies to all you non-ignorant white guys!) claims ‘no racism’ on the basis thereof.
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rmrd has said it all…

I wouldn’t either 2/3rds.
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That’s not a 2 x 4 he has in his hands. Oh, my no!
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It’s called a fact…

53_3, One of the most significant things that happened was when 2/3s told artteacher that the Magic Negro Song was humorous. Artteacher’s negative response to the song, I think, surprised 2/3s. 2/3s is in the minority in the country. Artteacher rejected what 2/3s was selling as did most others on Swampland.
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2/3s has blacks friends who hate the term African-American. if we take 2/3s at his word, perhaps 2/3′s black friends are a select group.
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The Black man who attends a fundamentalist church and showed up at a speech armed may be representative of the 2/3s Black friends. 2/3s view on race may be skewed and his selection of Black friends serve to support his view.
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The other thing that 2/3s transmits is an inability to accept any blame directed at Conservatives.
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2/3s says that the GOP holds it’s leader’s feet, but note that any problem is the fault of the Democrats or a too passive Colin Powell.

Note that those on the opposite side of the political spectrum have no problem pointing out flaws in Democrats.
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2/3s will overllook racism in the GOP, but readily blames Democrats for every problem under the sun.

it appears that, unlike twothirds rocks, the majority of Americans find it distasteful to engage with a man who openly uses underage Dominican hookers.

Given the Crips and Blood comment from Limbaugh which was preceded by his Donovan McNabb comment, I just don’t see Limbaugh as being ready for NFL primetime. If the Limbaugh Rams had problems dealing with an African-American player, would not the Crips/Bood comment come up again? The conflict would automatically be racial.
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Can Limbaugh find some supporters among very Conservative people of color ? Yes. Tony Dungy feels that the Limbaugh RAMS issue should have gone before NFL ownership and not been dealt with by the public. Of course, we know have the problem that Dungy is also giving support to Michael Vick, the dog killer that some Conservatives on this blog find objectionable.
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In the end, the GOP and Limbaugh will continue to have an image of racial insensitivity. Neither the GOP or Limbaugh will do anything to alter the image. Life goes on
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On the lighter side, during the GOP Presidential campaign there was one GOP candidate who could make the best argument for not having any racial bias. In the GOP campaign we saw Mitt Romney go up to a Black family celebrating Juneteenth and start singing “Who Let the Dogs Out.. Woof..Woof”. Romney went on to call a young Black girl’s attire “bling”. Not the best image to suggest racial sensitivity
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John McCain stood at the Lorraine Motel Museum in the rain detailing why he regretted that he didn’t vote for the federal MLK holiday. Holding the umbrella keeping McCain’s head dry was a rain-drenched elderly African-American man. Neither Romney or McCain presented racially progressive images.
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Then there was Sarah Palin. Ex Gov.Palin had been recorded in her church in Alaska being prayed over by a Kenyan Christian fundamentalist who was chasing demons away from Palin. Palin could proudly state that an African Christian came all the way to Alaska to pray for her success., Pain could state that she had not one racist bone in her body. If only Sarah had been able to talk.
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2/3srocks:
.”I have black friends”

Regardless of whether it is true, in fact, or not – what should we make of your “friends”?
If you claim “I am human too” then would you be the Rumsfeld/PolPot/LyndieEngland type of human or the MotherTeresa/mahatmaGandhi/cfukara kind of human?

“I have black friends”. We don’t doubt that. Neither would we be surprised if all you know about African-Americans is what you read in the KKK hate mail. [Incidentally why aren't we unleashing the drones on those kkk and aryan brotherhood terrorists? Do we need to go half-way around the world to find terr'ists when we have them in our backwoods? Can we recognize a terr'ist when we see one?]

“I have black friends”. That has a whiff of that “Manifest Destiny” hypocrisy that condemned hundreds of millions of humans into the despicable bondage of slavery and colonialism – because we were thereby being nice to them per (judeo-christian) god’s will.
[And the friendly christian slave-owner beat up his slaves no more than once a week - mostly on Sunday. Call it the slave's weekly constitutional.]

Not to forget the K-12 propaganda/indoctrination spiel that our colonization of the Americas, Africa and Australia was good for the natives – because along with it came the hospitals, missions, fewer wars, trade and, yes, the kind and friendly europeans. Yeah.

“I have black friends”. Indeed, we don’t doubt that you may have piles and piles of black friends. What should we make of it?

Now where did I hear that? Hitler had jewish friends and some of them, it is said, served as his elite commanding officers in his Nazi army.

Yes, you have black friends – piles upon piles of them.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are often called race pimps because they play the race card. Here are comments from Rush Limbaugh this year. Limbaugh is the master race-baiter in the United States:
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Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates? “He’s a racist,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “He’s an angry racist.”
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Sonja Sotomayor? “She’s a bigot. She’s a racist,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “How can a president nominate such a candidate? And how can a party get behind such a candidate? That’s what would be asked if somebody were foolish enough to nominate David Duke or pick somebody even less offensive.”
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President Obama? He’s “the biggest reverse racist in history.” On another occasion: “Just as he is ACORN, just as he is Van Jones, he is racism.”On a third: “How do you get promoted in a Barack Obama administration? By hating white people.” So implicitly Mr. Limbaugh is labeling multiple figures within the administration as racists too.
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Democrats generally? “The racism that everybody thinks exists on our side of the aisle has been on full display throughout their primary campaign.”
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Liberals? “You know, racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left.”
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The media circa January? “We’re witnessing racism all this week that led up to the inauguration. We’re being told that we have to hope he succeeds. That we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father’s black, because this is the first black president.”
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Minorities generally? “The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That’s what Obama’s about, gang. He’s angry, he’s gonna cut this country down to size, he’s gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, it’s mistreatment of minorities. I know exactly what’s going on.”
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Oh, and don’t forget the NFL. As of this week, it is “an outpost of racism and liberalism.” (Strange that a league that is supposedly racist against white owner candidates has so many white owners.)
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Remember, the foregoing examples are exclusively taken from radio commentary spoken in 2009.
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Is there anyone in America who’s accused more people of racism this year than Rush Limbaugh?
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As for matters that only Mr. Limbaugh chooses to make about race, I’ll cite only the most egregious: “You let George Bush’s Navy gun down three black teenagers out there on the open sea and I guarantee there would be hell to pay…” he said. “If only President Obama had known that the three Somali community organizers were actually young black Muslim teenagers I’m sure he wouldn’t have given the order to shoot.” Of course, George W. Bush’s Navy did shoot at non-white pirates without being accused of racism, and President Obama surely new the pirates of Somalia’s coast were minorities, but never mind.
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Rush Limbaugh traffics in race on a frequent basis. His character is too low to meet the standards of NFL ownership.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-16/rush-the-race-baiter/2/

No disrespect to Rush, I think he wanted to help but his image and comments hurt himself and he is only to blame. Lets move on from here and hope the Rams have a good future.