The Cup of Coffee: White House’s David Axelrod Meets With Fox News’ Roger Ailes

On a recent visit to New York, White House adviser David Axelrod met over coffee with Roger Ailes, the president of the Fox News network, which President Obama has described as a “television station that is entirely devoted to attacking my administration.”

According to accounts from both the White House and Fox News, the meeting was cordial. “I’ve known Roger for a long time,” Axelrod told TIME in an email on Monday. “We chatted from time to time during the campaign.  I was going to be in NY, so we got together for a cup of coffee.”

Both Axelrod and a spokeswoman for Ailes declined to further discuss the contents of the conversation, which was first reported by Politico on Tuesday.

It was not the first time that Obama aides, who have been highly critical of Ailes’ network, have reached out. In mid-2008, Obama himself met with Ailes and Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch in a Waldorf-Astoria hotel suite. “I just wanted to know if I’m going to get a fair shake from Fox News Channel,” Ailes recalled Obama saying, in an interview with the Washington Post.

Suffice it to say, the meeting did not cool tensions between the Obama camp and Fox, which has been enjoying a large increase in ratings this year as it has positioned itself as a major source of criticism of Obama and his policies.

“The fact that our numbers are up 30 plus in the news arena on basic cable I’d like to think is a sign that we are just putting what we believe to be the facts out on the table,” said Michael Clemente, Fox’s senior vice president for news, in an interview on Tuesday. “In terms of the relationship, I think we are doing our job. And they [the White House] are doing their job.”

In recent weeks, the White House has stepped up its criticism of the network, posting a blog post last week describing “Fox lies,” including a misstatement of fact by Fox host Glenn Beck and another by morning show host Steve Doocy. Clemente said that White House aides, in their increasingly vocal criticism, were failing to distinguish between Fox News’s journalism, and its pundits and opinion voices, like Beck, who he likened to the op-ed page of the New York Times. Clemente said that the morning show, Fox and Friends, where Doocy appears, is an “entertainment show that does some news,” like NBC’s Today Show or ABC’s Good Morning America.

As for Fox’s journalism, Clemente said the White House criticism was typical of other administrations who have been critical of certain reporters. “It reminds me a little bit about what happened to Sam Donaldson when he was covering the White House,” said Clemente. “The Reagan White House thought he was enemy number one. He had the same relationship with the Carter White House. They thought he was enemy number one. He thought he was doing his job.”

But attitude towards Fox at the White House has been souring for months. On a recent Sunday, President Obama pointedly declined to appear on Fox News Sunday, prompting host Chris Wallace to call Obama aides, “the biggest bunch of cry babies.”

Though White House aides are hesitant to criticize the network on the record, their disdain for the programming–including Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck–is clearly evident. “They are the paid political programming for a party, and occasionally a couple of news stories break out in the midst of 23 hours and 45 minutes of political rantings and opinion,” said one senior administration official. “Everything about it is one-sided political opinion directed at a base. Period.”

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  • gysgt213

    There is a problem between the WH and Fox news? Really? I thought they loved Obama over there. They spend 24 hours a day talking about him.

  • deconstructiva

    “As for Fox’s journalism…”
    Michael, you do have a sense of humor after all. Thank you.

  • jsfox

    I’m not sure this is news to anybody with any intellectual capacity. Fox, Bush’s biggest cheerleader, Obama’s biggest detractor. In both cases reporting the facts not so important.

  • stuartzechman

    Which is worse:
    .
    A) that Fox News is a giant media outlet dedicated to introducing “fairness” into American reportage by “balancing” what it declares to be the “liberal media” biases imbued throughout the coverage of its competitors
    .
    or
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    B) that Obama aides are “the biggest bunch of cry babies.”
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    , for our country?
    .
    Can journalists besides those that are employed by Roger Ailes say?

  • gysgt213

    But what happens to all those applications? If things keep going the way they are Fox maybe the only place to get a job if all you can do is read script.

  • hellslittlestangel

    I don’t understand why the WH doesn’t simply de-credential Fox, yank all their press passes. There must be plenty of legitimate journalists who’d love the chance to ask a question at a briefing or a press conference. Let Fox’s reporters hang with their brethren, wherever National Enquirer reporters hang.

  • Art Pepper

    Fox News’s journalism

    Is he talking about the tea bag publicity tour? Or maybe the weather forecasts on the local affiliate stations? Otherwise, I’m not sure to what Clemente is referring.

  • slowp

    Excellent!! It’s about time Dems stop legitimizing Fox’s Crackpot News Network.

  • FlownOver

    Better yet, let them stay but let them stew in non-recognition. I wouldn’t call on the Fox reporter in news conferences, but given the concern-trolling and gotcha approach of the network guys I’d pass over them as well. Get the word out that informative reporting will be supported; controversy for the sake of ratings, not so much.

  • jaimymoore

    Both Axelrod and a spokeswoman for Ailes declined to further discuss the contents of the conversation.

    I can imagine.

    AILES: So, why won’t your guy come on out network again?

    AXELROD: Why should he? You’re bleeding money, you’re losing advertisers every day, and your audience is mostly old and lives in trailer parks. What’s Obama got to gain?

  • lysheen

    Fox News is dangerous. They stoke the embers of right-wing extremism to make a buck. How long will it be before we have another McVeigh blowing up a federal building in the name of “patriotism”?

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  • ilikechips

    I absolutely love when the liberal whacko’s go crazy over Fox news. The one station that isn’t blatantly in the tank for Obama. God forbid there is one station that doesn’t have an extreme liberal Bias like NBC CBS ABC..maybe Bush should’ve thrown all those reporters out. No wonder why Fox News gets more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined..I just love watching loony libs cry about Fox

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    Both sides need an enemy to point fingers at, status quo continues.

  • queencersei

    White House cry babies? Clearly Ailes has missed Glen Beck’s public on air sobbing. A bigger cry baby I have never seen on t.v.

  • rustyreturns

    The answer is “B”, Alex, who are the biggest bunch of cry babies of any Administration in the past 30 years?
    .
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/19/chris-wallace-obama-administration-biggest-bunch-crybabies

  • carotexas1

    Michael, do you know who suggested this coffee?
    You seem to intimate that it was Axelrod, or was he the only one that answered your emails? Knowing this fact would put more light on this meeting.

  • jcapan

    When I read things like this it makes me see Swamp debate as largely an approximation of this.

    Taibbi and this Belarusian guy offer some interesting ideas about the emptiness of our public discourse.

  • square1

    The thing about wingnuts is that they require absolutely no logical explanation for ANYTHING.

    Why would the media have a liberal bias? This is asserted and repeated ad nauseum. But never is there an effort to explain this curious phenomenon. Is there some hidden financial incentive to hire liberal reporters? Or covering stories with a liberal angle? Are conservatives too stupid to get reporting jobs? Or simply too uninterested in the profession (in which case, whose fault would it be for any bias)?

    In contrast, look at the typical liberal criticism of the media: Money makes the world go round, including the media. Because large corporations own most media outlets the news coverage is skewed against stories that would undermine the profits of the corporate owners. This doesn’t mean that every story fits that dynamic. Or that any time a story is buried it is because of pressure from corporate ownership. But, overall, liberals believe that the dynamic of media ownership significantly affects reporting.

  • rustyreturns

    I’d say given that Axlerod WENT to New York is a pretty clear assuption that the White House asked for the meeting.
    .
    Oreilly has been saying for months now that the only thing a feud between Fox and Obama will do is drive up Fox New’s ratings. For Obama it is a no win situation.
    .
    Now Obama looks like he will pander to Fox, simply to garner enough Independent support for his future plans, health care being his top priority.
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    And, the whole thing started because Fox decided to run one of their shows on the regular Fox outlets instead of one of Obama’s 145 speeches since taking office. They did however, run it on their cable site.
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    Boo hoo hoo. Boo hoo indeed.

  • bitterpill8

    There is a pathetic quality to this piece of reportage by MS. If Axelrod and Ailes don’t want to be upfront about their discussions then they are both wrong. This WH seems to have a desire to make a breakthrough at Fox. This is a delusion. But Axelrod “knows” Ailes and that is supposed to satisfy us simpletons.

    If this WH does not play hardball with the Fox crowd (and I exempt Shepard Smith) then they will reap the appropriate “reward”. The one thing one needs to know about Murdoch is that he ihas no interest in journalism. He is a muckraker and the bottom line is the only thing that counts.

  • lysheen

    As Steven Colbert said, “reality has a WELL KNOWN liberal bias”.

  • gysgt213

    How long will Shep last on Fox News?
    .

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  • freeinpa

    Not unlike MSNBC only reversed but I never seem to hear liberals complain about that. Oh right there are only 6 viewers for MSNBC.

  • chrisnbama

    This is the most intelligent and passionately argued defense of the Public Option I’ve seen from anyone other than Bernie Sanders.

    I hope Shep has his resume updated.

  • lovethatpalin

    The White House has every other News outlet in their pocket, except FoxNews. They really need to get a life, and/or get over it! Numbers don’t lie, ratings don’t lie, so they must be doing something right. FoxNews can’t be intimidated by an Obama thug like Axelrod, and so I think it probably grates his nerves. That’s why I absolutely love the fact, that people like Glenn Beck gets under their skin over at the White House. And, if they don’t like,…then here’s a big Boo-Hoo for ya. Because, WFC what they think? I know I don’t!!!

  • freeinpa

    Why would the media have a liberal bias? Why does the left think Fox news has a conservative bias? No one talked about bias for years until Fox came on the scene and the cover was blown. You never see the words extreme liberal in any MSM report. For the MSM media its a concept that does not exist because they believe their view is normal. SURPRISE, it’s not and now liberals can whine about Fox who continues to grow while the NYT, Boston Globe et al circle the drain.

    lysheen: Love the fact you quote a hack comedian to try and elevate the liberal point of view . And yet libs make fun of Fox

  • fractal86

    I thought Glenn Beck was the biggest cry baby?

  • lynnie2012

    I am sorry but are you confused? Fox News bleeding money and losing advertisers everyday?? WOW, what planet are you from? Fox News ratings have drastically increased this year therefore, advertisers WANT TO ADVERTISE with an organization with viewers. Are you getting confused with MSNBC??

    Yes, Van Jones organized a boycott against Glenn Beck – but the advertisers who pulled out of Beck’s show moved to another Fox show. Beck picked up new advertisers – it was a win/win for Fox.

    If I want to sell a product do I advertise on MSNBC with no viewers or do I sell my product on a station with viewers?? Hmmmm..

    Oh and people who live in trailers are the only Fox viewers – yep, those are the only people watching Fox. I guess America has more people living in trailers than I realized. I know soon that will be the case under this White House.

    Put the kool aid down – perhaps at that point you can deal with reality. I am embarrassed you actually wrote such an ignorant comment. Maybe you should research before you write.

    Also, the reason Fox is successful is because they report ALL the news – not just pro-Obama news. Thank God for Fox – they tell the truth – they do not leave America in the dark. My MSNBC loving sister does not have a clue about half the information going on in the World. So sad! And she votes (like you!).

    I am STUNNED by your ignorance.

  • stuartzechman

    Excellent commentary, Oregon JC.

  • lysheen

    I’m glad you like that, that’s why I posted it.

    Why does the left think Fox has a conservative biased? Is this a rhetorical question? Forgive me not understanding this question.

    You want to talk liberal bias? Talk about MSNBC. You want to talk conservative bias, then you’re talking about Fox. It so obvious that it’s pointless to try and explain this people. If they don’t get it, then it’s because they don’t want to believe it.

    Seriously, it’s great when conservatives rant about MSNBC being liberally biased (which btw, it absolutely is), but then can’t understand why people think Fox is biased.

    I, like all moderates, am glad the fringes seem to be a shrinking minority in this country.

  • jcapan

    Yes, we should keep in mind moments like this from S. Smith when we lambast Fox. As Chris says, this is probably the most passionate (and coherent) voice we’ve heard in favor of a public option from within the village. Irony of all ironies, it’s being broadcast not from 1600 PA Ave, not by our supposed “liberal media” but by a Fox iconoclast. Pigs will literally fly out of Joe Klein’s generous backside before he ever speaks up for the populist rabble.
    .
    Dems who see through the kabuki can feel nothing short of despair. On one hand we have the likes Barrasso and on the other we have Max Baucus. We can condemn Barrasso’s inarticulate denials of reality and hypocrisy (i.e. “doublethink’), but what are we left with? B/C we’re against them does that mean we’re for Baucus and Reid and Snowe? Again, what’s victory here?

  • gysgt213

    “Again, what’s victory here?”
    .
    There is none. Because 99.99 percent of the rest of the media will not do this sort of thing on any issue and it does matter if the pol is a democrat or a republican as long as they have some type of power that is what matters.

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  • 53_3

    “I am STUNNED by your ignorance.”
    .
    What we are seeing here is a new phenomena where people can choose what they want to hear, and adapt it as truth.
    .
    The truth is, when one looks at the rest of America’s media, as well as that of the rest of the word*, the consensus is clearly against FOX.
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    *I except propaganda organs, which I am pretty sure, FOX qualifies as

  • 53_3

    So you really love that slut?
    .
    Oh, well. Fact-free and flying high…

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Oh, please…Axlerod meeting with Ailes for what? Probably to kneel and beg him to stop the lies.
    What an ill advised meeting. Met for coffee?? Axelrod should have sent him hot coals instead of meeting for coffee.

    There is no deterrent to Fox News at all to stop the drama especially with their increased ratings. The Obama camp has to realize that the only thing they can do about the dissemination of lies by the Fox attack machine is to respond in like manner. Attack their lies, period.

    I have to agree with the cry baby part- the Obama folks appear to cry and do nothing more. Fox is doing their job, Obama and his team should do theirs as well.
    No one is saying they should not complain but they should do more than just complain. Fox is frontal and unrelenting in its attacks and Obama should respond by reasonably anticipating these moves and preparing a strong and continued response to same.

    For example, I watch Bill O’Reilly sometimes and his show is beyond funny… all he does is look aggressive and scream loudly when someone opposes him. For someone like O’Reilly, the Obama folks should send someone with the same kind of personality to that show–they should send a screamer that can also “play to the galley” like O’Reilly does.

    I am honestly tired of Fox being allowed to spread lies with impunity while the Obama WH is perennially involved in damage control. They need a different tack. Unless Axlerod’s begging is part of their plan— I think the meeting with Ailes (at least on the face of it) was a big mistake.

    LM

    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/

  • mearaaideen

    For the record, I don’t care what bias my news has, none of the news outlets give ALL of the news. When I see a piece done on the genocide in Darfur, or perhaps a piece on a part of the world that doesn’t have massive monetary value for us, then I will believe that I’m getting all of the news.

    Further more, any channel that allows for their personalities to cheer the various failures of the President needs a reality check. The Office of the President demands respect. I don’t care if you agree with him or not, you respect whoever is in that office.

  • 53_3

    I think the baseline isn’t the size of the crowd, or the “bias”, or anything else but the completely aberrant lack of facts. If FOX were to stick to facts, and convey a viewpoint consistent with whatever it is right now that conservatives see as important, I don’t think I could complain.
    .
    However, these “conservatives”* complain of bias the same way someone who hates the Big Bang theory complain of bias. They are mistaking what actually is consensus among the rest of the world that is contrary to their point of view.
    .
    The size of the crowd is only the effect of trawling a very wide ocean for a very sparse population of fish…
    .
    *there are real conservatives, and then there are hateful, amoral, and unpatriotic Americans. Like Timothy McVeigh, these individuals care nothing for democracy.

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  • gysgt213

    The Office of the President demands respect. I don’t care if you agree with him or not, you respect whoever is in that office.
    .
    I’ m sorry, but I don’t agree with this statement. First of all, no one demands respect. Respect is earned. They can demand all they want. But this isn’t a kingdom. Second of all, this is America and people are more than free to not respect the person in any office or position they feel the need to do so.

  • jcapan

    Yeah, Gunny, it’s hard to find a pair of rose-coloured spectacles at this pt.

    Digby (link) said the other day: “It’s extremely disheartening to see the administration and so many Democrats in congress completely ignore the political and policy ramifications of failing to engage in fundamental financial reform and fiery populist rhetoric at a time like this. This teabagger movement is happening in a vacuum created by a lack of interest in this topic by liberals who are so enamored of being members of the new “creative class” and the like that they aren’t paying attention to the cynicism and anger that’s reaching critical mass among average working stiffs out there. It’s easy to dismiss it, but very, very foolish. The issues Moore raises in this film will be answered on the right with authoritarianism, militarism, immigrant bashing and violence. It’s a recipe for disaster unless the left takes this on in direct, political terms.”
    .
    And though I’d like to think Gore Vidal’s (link) off his rocker, when I read things like this (making that article by Hedges back in June look rather prescient–link) I wonder. But, hey, there’s always dancing with rightist goons to entertain us, right KT?

  • apollyon07

    ^ Haha! So true! Anyone who criticizes Fox for bias but then watches MSNBC is a hypocrite of the highest order, and frankly, full of you-know-what. The reverse is also true, of course.

  • Cliff

    Glenn Beck is bleeding advertisers, but those advertisers are still forking over cash to Fox.
    .
    Also the Fox financial channel is bleeding money, but I think Fox itself is doing just fine.
    .
    Unfortunately.

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  • apollyon07

    You can say what you want about Fox News (I do not like or watch any cable news) but clearly one problem they do not have is with money and advertisers. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or lying.

  • apollyon07

    Honestly, I think it’s more about sensationalism that drive both Fox News and MSNBC more than bias. Sensationalism, it seems like, would garner more ratings than bias would (though this doesn’t fully explain MSNBC).

  • Cliff

    Wait a second, who said that? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read all day.

  • Cliff

    Okay, it was a screen name I hadn’t seen before on the previous page.
    .
    Still, the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. Maybe mearaaideen should go look at some of the things said about Lincoln and FDR – and those were our good Presidents.

  • jcapan

    Your comment is awaiting moderation: Seriously, I can’t type sh!te with an ‘e’!?

    “and those were our good Presidents”
    .
    As opposed to?
    .
    Such reverence for authority leads to toxic sh!te like this:
    .
    “The Washington Post’s Anne Kornblut today produces an extreme piece of government-serving, stenographic “journalism,” publishing a dubious administration press release masquerading as a lengthy news article on Obama’s approach to Terrorism and civil liberties. The Post depicts Obama as heavily and heroically engaged in disrupting the alleged Najibullah Zazi domestic terrorist plot and — repeatedly highlighting that success — claims “the White House has been charting a delicate course as it attempts to turn the page on Bush-era anti-terrorism policies,” whereby “the Obama administration is increasingly confident that it has struck a balance between protecting civil liberties, honoring international law and safeguarding the country.” Here are all of Kornblut’s cited sources for the article — every last one of them — in the order she cites them:
    .
    ‘Obama aides pointed . . . administration officials said . . . a senior administration official said . . . officials said . . . a senior administration official said . . . senior Obama officials stressed . . . a senior administration official said . . . aides said . . . officials said . . . one senior administration official said. . . . one senior official said. . . . The official said . . . a senior administration official said . . . a senior administration official said . . . administration officials said . . . . a senior official said.’”
    .
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

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    Attn: PNNTO!? Good luck to your Twins man. Have to head out to teach, but JFC, bottom 12th, you must flippin’

  • Cliff

    Hmmm, not many people care to take an anti-Lincoln stance, and FDR is usually considered to be pretty solid.
    Care to elaborate?
    .
    And I meant in comparison to, say, Grant, Fillmore, Hoover, Polk, and Bush.
    .
    (My original point was that Americans are by no means obliged to give respect to the President simply because he is the President.)

  • 63cobra

    TV “NEWS” = TV Entertainment. Enjoy!

  • stuartzechman

    Yeah, Gunny, it’s hard to find a pair of rose-coloured spectacles at this pt.
    .
    But that’s what we need.
    .
    Grass and Net-roots Democrats are going to wake the f*ck up, and take a hard look at what we elected.

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  • oraclealexander

    I daresay he’ll last as long as it takes the cult of Hannity to realize the’s the only thing “fair and balanced” about their networ,.

  • eruditeenigma

    Someone please call a WAAABulance for Pres Obama and David Axelrod. Is our President so fragile and egotistical that he is crying about Fox News Channel? Must our messiah in chief have absolute adoration to survive?

    Let’s have a lil pep rally for our poor Pres Obama, all together now:

    MMM MMM MM…. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA…..He Piss and moans He Cries and Cries…..Barack Hussein Obama……MMM MMM MM.

    Having said that, I was not a Bush 43 fan, but at least he did not cry at the chorus of critics from every news channel. Pres Obama needs to grow a pair or borrow some from Michelle.

  • jaimymoore

    Yes, lynnie2012, newscorp is losing money. So is the New York Post, and the Weekly Standard recently sold for a measly million.
    .
    FOX does well in overall numbers, but not as well in “the demo” that advertisers actually care about, which is why FOX has to run so much more advertising than their competitors: they can’t command the same rates.
    .
    If you weren’t yet another disposable, ignorant FOX News victim, you’d know that.

  • Mark Baird

    “The ‘others’ are infected by a false conscience. We will save you and protect you.”

    This is the conservative media claim. (We speak the truth they do not.) I would never listen to anybody who makes this arguement.

  • Mark Baird

    If you want to only watch car-chase/conflict media (MSNBC, FOX, talk radio) or drive-by media (CBS, NBC, etc.) then so be it but do not expect any respect from me.

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    Speaking of “the demo” viewers, just found this little gem: http://www.mediaite.com/online/red-eye-resurgence-more-demo-viewers-watch-fox-at-3am-than-cnn-at-8pm/
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  • jcapan

    Cliff–we agree, just one of those blog things. Though I’m not above criticizing Lincoln or FDR, my pt. was I don’t revere or respect any of my rep’s, at any level. My support goes as far as the ballot box. Thereafter, earn it b!tch.
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    I was just curious about who the bad pres’s were IYO? I’m actually putting Obama up there with some of the worst (at this pt). I mean, I expect to be bent over and spanked by rightists, but when one of our own, with that much of a mandate and pol-cap, simply throws progressives under the bus on virtually every issue…

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  • Matt

    “If you stop advocating the killing of my boss, I’ll let him chat with Chris Wallace…”

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • stuartzechman

    That’s also the centrist media’s claim, too.

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  • centfan

    Has anyone figured out that the “huge” ratings Fox gets is only because all the Right wingnuts have no where else to go to see their green sky? If every Independent, Democrat, or Other ran to one network to see their “truth” then that network’s ratings would crush Fox.

    Trouble is there are many sources to find reality and they share the numbers. There is only one source for ditto heads and they cling to it like dung beetles.

  • jymallyn

    Faux Noise anti-liberal and anti-”all-things-Obama” has the rationality, credibility, and tone that would make THE Senator Joseph McCarthy proud.

    I am expecting that the blow-hard Zombie “urinalism” of Faux Noise will fall on its face the same way that McCarthy did.

  • chekflow

    “They (CNN, Time, Newsweek, MSNBC, NBC, etc.) are the paid political programming for a party, and occasionally a couple of news stories break out in the midst of 23 hours and 45 minutes of political rantings and opinion,” said one informed citizen that used to watch them. “Everything about it is one-sided political opinion directed at a base. Period.”

    See what I did there?

    Quoteth Chris Matthews: ” Yeah, well, you know what? I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work”; “Yeah, it is my job”.

  • chekflow

    Funny thing: I thought the same during the eight years of MSNBC during the Bush administration. What, with bathtub boy Olbermann telling his lemmings that Bush was a fascist who needed to be “stopped”. Short memory span you addled limbic brainiac liberals have …..

  • sacredh

    I agree with you on your assessment. They need to reinforce each other and give themselves validity. Where I work it’s fairly evenly split between conservatives and moderate/liberals with a little tilt toward the conservative side. For those of us on the left to center, most of us get our news from the internet or newspapers. Those on the right ALL get their news from Fox and rightwing radio.
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    They don’t see Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh as entertainment, they regard them as the sources of the truth. They’re also convinced that they are in the majority.

  • 53_3

    I need to take you to task for this faux equivalence apollyon07. One of the most glaring things that separates FOX from all others is the interchangeability of “entertainers” and “news anchor”. Another, even more glaring, is the fact that FOX rarely sticks to facts.
    .
    Both are signs that FOX is more akin to cold-war Pravda than it is to any news outlet.
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    Believe me, I’m old enough to have experienced the Cold War, and I know propaganda organs when I see them.

  • 53_3

    Does this prove that FOX is not a propaganda organ?
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    I don’t think soooooo…

  • 53_3

    See comment 16.4

  • 53_3

    One thing that differentiates FOX from the rest of the media planet is the lack of facts.
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    Don’t try a relativistic definition of what a fact is, either. That will just get swamped with links you don’t wanna see – from the real world.
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    No news is news without them, chek. Unless, of course, you consider “news” news…

  • 53_3

    “Having said that, I was not a Bush 43 fan, but at least he did not cry at the chorus of critics from every news channel.”
    .
    Having read your commentary, it appears that you are a bit short in the f actuality department.
    .
    I see you trying to play the dog whistle game here by playing on Obama’s middle name which really has nothing to do with anything. I can safely assume that the recreational anger you are trying to generate here is the real aim of your commentary.
    .
    And if you attempt to invoke “belief” against common consensus, then it boils down to just one question:
    .
    Just who is it that is really worshiping a “messiah” here?

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  • apollyon07

    I will concede that Fox does worse on the subject of “infotainment”, however, other outlets are just as bad about this, particularly the network news stations. I will not concede that Fox is worse about bias than MSNBC. I really do not see a difference, for example, in the bias/smug attitude of Bill O’Reilly and Keith Olbermann. I think I have a more objective starting point on this than others since I currently do not choose to affiliate myself with either party, and dislike both as much as the other. And I also do not think that the vitriol being spewed at Obama is any worse than what was said about Bush over the years. Same beast, different rhetoric.
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    I can’t stress this enough however, that I think both MSNBC and Fox suck, I just think they do equally. And even if MSNBC were somewhat less biased than Fox (they aren’t), does this mean it’s okay for someone to call out Fox for bias and then watch a station that is only somewhat less biased?

  • apollyon07

    While we obviously disagree on this 53_3, I really do appreciate you using intelligent analysis to debate me/take me to task, rather than resorting to nauseating ad-hominem attacks and blanket statements.

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  • xxception

    Wow, do you see silent black helicpoters in the sky as well? What game do you believe the MSM is playing when they highlight stories that are positive about BO,but either refuse to report or barely mention those that are negative? I didn’t believe in the bias of the MSM until this past election. After watching Gibson’s interviews with BO and SP, it was pretty obvious. Gibson went after SP HARD after lobbing nothing but softballs at BO. If you can look at the list of questions from both interviews and claim each was as tough as the other, I have one question……what color is the sky in your world?

  • xxception

    Do you really believe you can have even-handed reporting with no bias when 80-90% of journalists identify themselves as Dems? Where is the Dems beloved mantra of diversity when it comes to political affiliation? You’ll find it hard to get anyone to disagree with you and challenge you if everyone in the room believes the same as you do.

  • listentoall

    FOX NEWS WE SUPPORT YOU!
    It is getting scary that the White House is trying to limit free speech by intimidation when they have the puppet strings for CNN, and MSNBC. Please Roger Ailes do not let the WH intimidate you!
    I think the White House is also behind the “Color of Change” attack on Glenn Beck. James Rucker (Color of Change) in an interview about the advertisers for the Glenn Beck show said, “We let them know what a public campaign would look like” and a “public conversation”. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8n9SAt_YY8) Well, I saw the “Color of Change” Walmart (Glenn Beck advertiser) call to arms on SEIU’s website requesting SEIU member to”Join the call to hold Glenn Beck and Fox News accountable” the link then goes to “Color of Change”.

    Acorn=SEIU=Color of Change=NEA(artwork promoting the presidents agenda) they are all President Obama’s propaganda machines.

    The funny thing is I voted for President Obama, was I naive. I voted for him because I thought he would actually clean up Washington, do the “line by line” budget review, stop pork and earmarks, limit spending, & get rid of lobbyists. Well, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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