He Does Sorta Look It

Ahmadinejad tapped the beat to the dreidel song in the Tehran airport bathroom.
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Seriously though, this is just like the GOP closet case homophobes who overcompensate with the gay bashing to hide their identity.
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It appears from the story that he was already 4 before the family converted and changed their names, so I am guessing that his earliest cultural memories might have involved some aspects of the Iranian Jewish culture.

“Seriously though, this is just like the GOP closet case homophobes who overcompensate with the gay bashing to hide their identity.”

Are we playing fascist bingo?

I… uh… don’t care? Yeah, that’s it. Don’t care.

Did he learn nothing from George Allen?

Shorter JK:
Yada, yada, yada.

Yer killin’ me, brother.

So does this mean I shouldn’t call him Adolf Ahmadinejad anymore?

” ….. One of the more popular rumors … that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Jewish. . ..”

Here we go AGAIN … blogging trash – as if the deaths of kids our hand in killing kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan (with love from the mighty lands of morality, Judaist/Christian godliness and democracy) are a sideshow. [Yet JK has kids too ..]

Why is this rumor more worthy of a blog and our time than the multitudes of rumors out there? Is it because the word “Jewish” appears in there? Would it be as worthy if the word “Gypsy” was in there somewhere?

Would it be worth a blog and would we be more inclined to admit his half-baked cockeyed ideas more readily if there was a popular rumour out there that JK is a Gypsy or Jewish or a descendant of Nazis or slave-traders?
Or would we dismiss him and his pretentious scribblings off-hand?

I heard a rumour that , eh, …. Doesn’t JK look sorta Arab? Persian?

hey! Jk even looks sorta Muslim, you know, Islamist – you know, suspected terrorist .. [Do our valiant drones know where he an his brood live?]

Digby:

“there is great, HUGE value in this movie [Capitalism: A Love Story] as an emotional, populist polemic for the left, something I’ve been screaming about since the beginning of the financial crisis. It’s extremely disheartening to see the administration and so many Democrats in congress completely ignore the political and policy ramifications of failing to engage in fundamental financial reform and fiery populist rhetoric at a time like this. This teabagger movement is happening in a vacuum created by a lack of interest in this topic by liberals who are so enamored of being members of the new ‘creative class’ and the like that they aren’t paying attention to the cynicism and anger that’s reaching critical mass among average working stiffs out there. It’s easy to dismiss it, but very, very foolish. The issues Moore raises in this film will be answered on the right with authoritarianism, militarism, immigrant bashing and violence. It’s a recipe for disaster unless the left takes this on in direct, political terms.”

An excerpt from a 2-part review:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Joe
As the same as Dick Cheney and Obama are related, right?
If so, The president must recall Dick Cheney back to the White House as an advisor. And to give the president his “infinite wisdom” on foreign policies, especially on Afghanistan.
Oh wait, I already know his advice. “Stay on the course”.

kade

“One of the more popular rumors in Iran when I visited last June was that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Jewish.”

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You could ask Amy Sullivan to help you out with this and do a follow up story on Jesus Christ, you know the man they also called Jesus from Nazareth?
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He was a Jew, who with many other Jews, started Christianity. Now that is a great story line as well don’t you think Joe Klein?
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Many Christians like myself also believe that one day he, Jesus, will return to earth. Shall you also say at that time, “Shalom Jesus!”
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But, the difference in my mind between Jesus a former Jew, who started up the largest religious group ever known to man, and Ahmadenijad, is that Jesus stands for love and forgiveness. Ahmadenijad simply wants to blow up and destroy the earth with nuclear bombs. He is a mad-man on par with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and other crazed destroyers of the past.
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Does this revelation you write prepare for a time when Barack HUSSEIN Obama also makes his switch from Christianity to Islam? To finally come out of the religious closet and declare his allegiance to the Muslim religion? Is that what your are attempting to set the stage for here Joe Klein?
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Does it prepare us for a time when Obama denouces his Christian beliefs and takes on the mantel of his father, a Muslim? To prepare the way for the “final solution” of the clash between good and evil. A day when not only Israel is threatened, but the United States as well. Ahmadinejad does not scare me nearly as much as Obama. Obama the “Community Organizer”. Obama the student of Sal Alinsky. Obama the friend of all the radical left wingnuts who want the destruction of America.

Rustydog:

Ahmadenijad simply wants to blow up and destroy the earth with nuclear bombs. He is a mad-man on par with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and other crazed destroyers of the past.

Really?
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Do you think that, if you were to poll, say, the people of Belgium, or the people of Argentina, or the people of South Korea, majorities of these populations would say the same thing –that Ahmadenijad is a power-mad lunatic who intends to literally destroy the entire earth?
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How do you know this, Rustydog?

No, the President must recall Dick Cheney because of serious defects. Unsafe at any speed.

SZ, he knows this because the Ouija board has never lied to him in the past.

I’m psychic stuart?
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Or, perhaps listening to his own words you can understand his agenda. Perhaps by reading about the sect of Islamic extremism that the current regime in Iran believes, may give a person the opinion that Ahmadenijad and the mullahs in Iran have a messianic death wish for their beliefs.
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Perhaps
http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/30/the-world-according-to-mahmoud-ahmadinejad
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“O’ mighty Lord,” Mr. Ahmadinejad intoned to his surprised audience, “I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace.”

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Perhaps the prayer he offered above is a clue as to what his intentions would be one day with a nuclear armed missile in his back pocket.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1221/p01s04-wome.html
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Or Perhaps this may convice you stuart.

“The Hojjatieh movement is considered to be so radical that it was banned in 1983 by the Ayatollah Khomeini and is still opposed by the majority of the Iranian clerics, including the Supreme Leader of the Supreme National Security Council, Ayatollah Ali Khamanei. That should be telling in and of itself. That opposition notwithstanding, it is believed that several adherents of the Hojjatieh sect are in Cabinet-level positions in Ahmadinejad’s government.

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http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=3029
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But frankly stuart, I could care less about what the people polled in Belgium, South Korea or any other place in the world thinks about Ahmadenijad. I do believe this is a mad-man, who wants to see the total destruction of the United States. A man who sees America as the “infadel”. A man who has funded millions of dollars worth of IEDs to kill our soldiers in Iraq. A man who is also funding the Taliban in Afghanistan as we speak.
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What do you think stuart? Do you think Obama should just let this mad-man go forward with his plans to arm Iran with nukes?

“In a video distributed by an Iranian web site last November, Ahmadinejad described how one of his Iranian colleagues claimed to have seen a glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the U.N.

“I felt it myself, too,” Ahmadinejad said, according to press reports. “I felt that all of a sudden, the atmosphere changed there. And for 27 to 28 minutes, all the leaders did not blink.… It’s not an exaggeration, because I was looking. They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic.”

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http://www.forward.com/articles/6624/#
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Perhaps this will also convince you too stuart.

Well, this harks back to the real definition of just who is ‘semitic’.
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Maybe, as well, bibi and his bigoted sidekick are overcompensating, too. After all, things can get really tangled when walls are substituted for reason…

“SZ, he knows this because the Ouija board has never lied to him in the past.”
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I’ll second that. Just look at the type of links they are. IP addresses? Wow. We are talking really obscure stuff here. The stuff or porn servers. The stuff of phishing.
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On top of that, what may be one person’s “proof” may just be another person’s virus.
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Rusty will root even in the worst swill for even a smidgen of reinforcement. Wouldn’t call it convincing by any means, however…

See 10.4

Ha! The Iranian president has his own “Birther” movement.

He’s such an Obama wannabe.

Okay granted technically this is off topic, but my goodness when will this stop. I am rapidly headed toward shame of being caught visiting this site. What is it about the media that makes them incapable of rising above their collective inanity? Joe, while I may not always agree with what you have to say, I rarely draw the conclusion that what you are writing about is to stupid to consider. Not so much this week, it seems like the media has declared October as “Indigenous Ignorance Month.”

Sorry, to take this all out on you Joe because you are certainly not alone or even the most egregious offender. But this is a cumulative response. I’m just finished watching David Gregory hammer Susan Rice because the President is supposedly not keeping his word on Afghanistan, in other words he wants to make press points on the grounds that Obama is not like dumb as dirt Bush who refused to reassess anything and stuck to his gut blindly.

Whether it’s ignoring movement on the Iranian front in favor of the pursuit of rumors of their president’s birth or Lindsay Graham’s position on the birth of ours — it’s still stupid. This week the media has overdosed on its own ignorance. I mean really, how dumb do you have to be not to see how weak the village idiots make our nation look when the media asserts that Obama was wrong to go to Copenhagen? I thought the Bush administration proved that the philosophy of American exceptionalism was a failure. But here we go again, with that crap about our President is above every other president and therefore should never be forced to compete on a level playing field.

While the media asserts that the world’s only super power needs a fixed election before they should show up to play the game and shows their innate right wing bias with the lack of coverage about the Republican enthusiasm over the American loss, one that can’t be disingenuously explained by an opposition to policy like previous American set backs — the media has only managed to reinforce their reputation for uselessness.

Moreover, while they constantly strive to uncover the racial component of every dispute, perhaps they ought to consider their own. Since the campaign the media has focused on elements reminiscent of the sign carrying KKK and variety that pose the greatest threat of violence, when we all know that the real problem is the more subtle version that most blacks are familiar with in the workplace and that the double standard. Rush LImbaugh might have promoted a little ditty about “Barack the magic negro” but the media is acting as if he really is a magician whose mere election should have solved all of our problems by now.

The media has the self-control of a toddler, the patience of a ten-year old, the maturity of a high schooler with a focus on titillation like a horny teenage boy. Let me know when the village elders take the reins from the idiots and stop interfering with the overdue repair of a nation.

I think the glow of light might have been a spotlight or a disco ball left over from the previous night’s concert by the Village Idiot People.

Rustydog:
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Everything that you’ve come up with so far simply indicates that this is a deeply religious individual.
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What have you got against people of faith, Rustydog?

Not the correct religion?

Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany – most in gas chambers. Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Holocaust books and films help to tell the true story of the Shoah, combating anti-Semitic historical revision. And, they protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes.

It would not be impossible for Ahmadinejad to have Jewish ancestors. Two thousand years ago, Jews existed in Persia in large numbers. If Ahmadinejad has Jewish ancestry, he would not be the first to become anti-Semitic.

Education is the only way to stop the generational spread of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. I wrote Jacob’s Courage to promote Holocaust education. This coming of age love story presents accurate scenes and situations of Jews in ghettos and concentration camps, with particular attention to Theresienstadt and Auschwitz. It examines a constellation of emotions during a time of incomprehensible brutality. A world that continues to allow genocide requires such ethical reminders and remediation.

Many authors feel compelled to use their talent to promote moral causes. Holocaust books and movies carry that message globally, in an age when the world still needs to learn that genocide is unacceptable. Such authors attempt to show the world that religious, racial, ethnic and gender persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny’s only hope.

Holocaust books like Jacob’s Courage allow the reader to comprehend the terror experienced by Holocaust victims on a personal level. Sudhd books and films can also reveal the triumphant spirit of humankind and demonstrate how ordinary people can perform extraordinary acts of courage when the lives of loved ones are in danger.

Charles Weinblatt
Author, “Jacob’s Courage”
http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/

” .. Ahmadenijad simply wants to blow up and destroy the earth with nuclear bombs. .. “

I simply want many things – such as to ask the hand of JNS in matrimony. But, would I do it if I met her? [It may amused her though - as this poor creature squirms, frets and sweats as he picks up the nerve in anticipation .....]

If monsters be known, there is one instance in history of atomic/nuclear bombs being used to “blow up and destroy” humanity. And Rusty is in no hurry to lay blame on the culprits. Thus in fact, by woozy Rusty, it is also OK “to blow up and destroy the earth with nuclear bombs.”

Rusty, the USA has nuclear bombs. You know that don’t you? You and I know that USA’s nuclear/chemical/biological weapons are purely/strictly for peaceful uses. Thus we can piously lecture the world about the evils of owning nuclear weapons – and seek to punish those who have them (like Saddam Hussein) or seek to punish viciously those (like Israel and Iran) who hide their (suspected) existence in the same manner that we seek out and kill SUSPECTED terrorists….

Israel has stated its intentions to use all its resources, including nuclear bombs, against its neighbors. Why don’t we believe what Israel says?
Oh, says Rusty, we don’t know if Israel has nuclear bombs. Why don’t we? Is the world of civilized nations – scared of nuclear bombs – waiting for Israel’s mushroom cloud?
Why are we keen on knowing – with threats – if Iran has nuclear bombs but not if Israel has them? Are bellicose Israel’s nuclear bombs for peaceful uses – contrary to what they have stated?
And why do we second guess Iran and not the bellicose Israel that has gleefully bombed and destroyed lives and property in each of its neighboring countries (courtesy of (effective funding by) the USA/EU)?

[When will the UN/League of Nations admit that in its decisions of 1945 -1948, it may have made big mistakes that led to horrific human catastrophe ?]
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” .. He is a mad-man on par with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and other crazed destroyers of the past. ..”

You wouldn’t happen to know about other individuals, nations or races that can be termed crazed destroyers of the past, would you?

[Hint: You may not want to start with the South America (Aztecs, Incas) and Africans. You may not want to think of Asia (Vietnam, China, Australia, Pacific Islands) or current Iraq and Pakistan.
North American Indians? How about the millions slaughtered in America's civil wars.
When are crazed destroyers not "crazed destroyers"? Answer: When they are not-ours. Nothing moral or ethical about it.]

Not the correct religion?
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Ding ding ding ding ding!

So, let me get this straight. Rather than write a post about how well the negotiations with Iran went, or a post about their nuclear capabilities and the IAEA, or really a post about anything substantive with regards to Iran…

You wrote about how Ahmedinejad looks Jewish.

The evidence for my “Joe Klein doesn’t actually know anything about anything” theory mounts.

” .. wrote about how Ahmedinejad looks Jewish. ..”

The presumption here is that “looking Jewish’ is worth blogging about. Is that honor bestowed because “looking Jewish” is a notably positive thing that opens doors, or a warily negative thing that may be dangerous to one’s life and limb (like looking “Islamist” or Arab in USA) .. ?

All right, let me give this a shot.
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Is that honor bestowed because “looking Jewish” is a notably positive thing that opens doors
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No…I think Klein is writing about this because it’s easier to write about rumors of Ahmadinejad’s heritage and hysterical Holocaust denying, rather than anything that actually matters in Iran.
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I mean, Klein himself has pointed out that Ahmadinejad isn’t the Supreme Leader. He’s a front man. He’s a rodeo clown (to grossly oversimplify the situation).
Why does Klein focus so much on Ahmadinejad’s view on Jews, rather than, say, the mind-boggling horror of starting a third land war in Asia?
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I submit that it’s because Klein doesn’t know a f–king thing.

OK.
Some deniers may be better than others. Which version of history do you prefer or deny ….

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Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. We know from .. war records that … innocent Iraqi were systematically tortured and exterminated by the USA/EU in their concentration camps … Despite this knowledge, Iraqi/Afghanistan/Pakistan Holocaust deniers – and those who would hide, suppress or/and destroy evidence such as the photos – ply their mendacious poison everywhere …

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Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. We know from … war records that millions of innocent Africans were systematically dislocated, tortured and exterminated by invading Europe. Despite this knowledge, Africa’s Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere ….

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Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. We know from .. the war records that millions of innocent Asians in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were systematically tortured and exterminated by USA/France/UK … Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere ….

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Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize the Holocaust, or to those who support genocide we send a critical message to the world. We know from … war records that … innocent Palestinians were systematically bombed, tortured, dislocated and exterminated by Israel – most in Israel’s concentration camps and in refugee camps such as Sabra and Shatilla. Despite this knowledge, Palestinian Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere …
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Just in case you may not have read it, it has been suggested that there were multitudes of (Nazi?) Jews in the very high ranks of Hitler’s Nazi regime …

Maybe they didn’t know what was going on …. And if you propose thus, would you consider the possibility that Hitler and the Nazi can be exonerated from blanket condemnation?

I’d say the polling about Iran isn’t nearly as intriguing as the polling about the US. Circa late Bush:
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http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13028
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Mind you, this merely indicates what Euro-trash think.
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And our immediate neighbors and closest allies? The survey “exposes high levels of distrust. In Britain, 69% of those questioned say they believe US policy has made the world less safe since 2001, with only 7% thinking action in Iraq and Afghanistan has increased global security.
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The finding is mirrored in America’s immediate northern and southern neighbours, Canada and Mexico, with 62% of Canadians and 57% of Mexicans saying the world has become more dangerous because of US policy.
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Even in Israel, which has long looked to America to guarantee national security, support for the US has slipped.
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Only one in four Israeli voters say that Mr Bush has made the world safer, outweighed by the number who think he has added to the risk of international conflict, 36% to 25%. A further 30% say that at best he has made no difference.”
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/03/terrorism.northkorea
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Perhaps most interesting of all was a poll two years ago of Americans themselves: “In the US itself, North Korea and Iran are seen as the biggest risks. However, the youngest US respondents share the Europeans’ view that theirs is the biggest threat, with 35 per cent of American 16- to 24-year-olds identifying it as the chief danger to stability.”
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Wow, it’s almost as if many ‘patriotic’ Americans aren’t down with permanent war. As Taibbi said of fascists and peasants: “Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad.”

Sorry, that last poll data re: Americans came from:
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/70046760-27f0-11dc-80da-000b5df10621.html?nclick_check=1

It’s not that I think JK doesn’t know anything, I think it’s far scarier than that. It’s reflected most clearly in what Leslie Gelb admitted:

“My initial support for the war [in Iraq] was symptomatic of unfortunate tendencies within the foreign policy community, namely the disposition and incentives to support wars to retain political and professional credibility. We ‘experts’ have a lot to fix about ourselves, even as we ‘perfect’ the media. We must redouble our commitment to independent thought, and embrace, rather than cast aside, opinions and facts that blow the common—often wrong—wisdom apart. Our democracy requires nothing less.”

The following is so painfully true that it hurts, but of coruse we all know GG “cares not a whit about the national security of the United States”

Sunday Oct. 4, 2009 15:05 EDT

“The sources used by The Liberal Media”

“Here are some of the sources which David Gregory cited today during Meet the Press:

The question is how much leverage does the U.S. really have? Charles Krauthammer, critical of the approach, saying . . . “This feel-good posturing is worse than useless, because all the time spent achieving gestures is precious time granted Iran to finish its race to acquire the bomb.” Is this a cat and mouse game?

And there on Twitter is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and he posts this. He says, “President Obama fails to get the Olympics while unemployment goes to 9.8% Iran continues nuclear program.”

But first, news about Iran in this morning’s newspapers. The New York Times reports they may be closer now to producing a nuclear weapon than originally thought.

Those are the Liberal Media’s sources: Charles Krauthammer’s column on Iran, Newt Gingrich’s Twitter feed, and the latest flagrantly fear-mongering, irresponsible, Saddam’s-shopping-for-yellowcake piece from The New York Times’ new Judy Miller/Michael Gordon team, causing that paper to reprise its 2002 role in leading the beating of war drums (Gregory also quoted from Peggy Noonan, Tom Friedman and John McCain). And on every topic, Gregory’s questions to Obama aide Susan Rice were grounded — as Gregory’s questions typically are — in neoconservative dogma and sounded like they were lifted from the pages of The Weekly Standard (Afghanistan: “why wouldn’t the president immediately grant the request of his commanders to fully resource this war of necessity”?; Iran: “what is the deadline for Iran to either put up, to negotiate away its nuclear potential or face consequences?” U.N.: “Recently during the U.N. General Assembly Meeting in New York, Americans saw this kind of parade of anti-Americanism. . . . You once said that the U.N. is imperfect but it is also indispensable. When you look at that showing, what is the indispensable part?”). To summarize: escalate in Afghanistan; bomb Iran; and pull out of the U.N.

Reviewing the Sunday news shows and newspapers creates the most intense cognitive dissonance: a nation crippled by staggering debt, exploding unemployment, an ever-expanding rich-poor gap, and dependence on foreign government financing can’t stop debating how much more resources we should devote to our various military occupations, which countries we should bomb next, which parts of the world we should bring into compliance with our dictates using threats of military force. It’s like listening to an individual about to declare personal bankruptcy talking about all the new houses and jewels he plans on buying next week and all the extravagant trips he’s planning, in between lamenting how important it is that he stop spending so much. That would sound insane. And that’s exactly how our political discourse sounds.”

Ahmadinejad may “look” Jewish but that means nothing. I’m willing to bet that if I was in a room with 50 randomly chosen people and a Klan recruiter came in he would either head straight for me 1st or else figure I was already a member and try for someone else. I could be a poster boy for the Klan. The truth is another matter.

One of my old girlfriends “looked” like a hooker. OK, bad example. She was a hooker.

Get a life cfukara.

America is not the problem. Islamicists terrorists like the Taliban and al Kaida are.

Your Jew/Christian hatred is plain for all to see.

Charles Weinblatt-

It is not as if there is some inherent contradiction between historical revisionism and Jewry. The so-called Holocaust has been revised, revised, and revised, yet again, by Jewish intellectuals and historians over the years. Why, for example, is this dastardly episode in world history referred to as The Holocaust? Is it because all the genocides that have occurred prior to and after WWII matter not in the eyes of Jewish historians? What of Congo under the rule of King Leopold whereby 10 millions civilians were slaughtered by Belgian imperialists all in the name of rubber? What of Cambodia? Rwanda? Armenia? Do these atrocities not matter in the grand scope of world history? Perhaps, they have not been revised, but simply altogether ignored. Which is worse, Charles Weinblatt? You are correct that there are holocaust deniers. And that is a shame. However, there has been no revision of the Nazi genocide, save for successful revisions at the hands of intellectual Jewry. The plain simple fact is that what was widely known at the time, and acceded to by WWII era Jewish leaders, has befallen to what C.S. Lewis calls “historical snobbery.”
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Let me remind you, Charles Weinblatt, that Pope Pius XII, for example, was the loudest critic of Nazism and a staunch supporter of the Jewish people of Europe. The New York Times stated on December 25, 1941:
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“The Pope’s Message

In calling for a “real new order” based on “liberty, justice and love,” to be attained only by a “return to social and international principles capable of creating a barrier against the abuse of liberty and the abuse of power,” the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism. Recognizing that there is no road open to agreement between belligerents “whose reciprocal war aims and programs seem to be irreconcilable,” he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace. “The new order which must arise out of this war,” he asserted, “must be based on principles.” And that implies only one end to the war.

On Christmas Day, 1942, the New York Times once again editorialized on the papal Christmas Message and again praised Pius XII for his moral leadership:

The Pope’s Verdict

Pope Pius expresses as passionately as any leader on our side the war aims of the struggle for freedom when he says that those who aim at building a new world must fight for free choice of government and religious order. They must refuse that the state should make of individuals a herd of whom the state disposes as if they were a lifeless thing.”
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The London Times of October 1, 1942:
“A study of the words which Pope Pius XII has addressed since his accession leaves no room for doubt. He condemns the worship of force and its concrete manifestations in the suppression of national liberties and in the persecution of the Jewish race.”
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The overwhelming support and praise for Pope Pius XII from the Jewish community of the time is staggering, including such notable mentions as Albert Einstein; Israeli PMs Golda Meir and Moshe Sharett; and Chief Rabbi Isaac Herzog.
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In 1943, future Israeli president Chaim Weizmann stated, “the Holy See is lending its powerful help wherever it can, to mitigate the fate of my persecuted co-religionists.”
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Moshe Sharett: “I told him [the Pope] that my first duty was to thank him, and through him the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews…We are deeply grateful to the Catholic Church.”
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Rabbi Herzog: “We will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion, which form the foundation of true civilization, are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of Divine Providence in this world.”
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September, 1945, Dr. Leon Kubowitzky, the Secretary General of the World Jewish Congress, donates $20,000 on behalf of the WJC to Vatican charities, “in recognition of the work of the Holy See in rescuing Jews from Fascist and Nazi persecutions.”
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So, Charles Weinblatt, given these testimonies by those who were present during WWII, including the Jewish world leaders, explain to me where this mysterious and egregious claim is derived that the Catholic Church stood idly by, if not enabled Hitler, in the midst of Nazi genocide? ‘Historical snobbery’ furthered by Jewish so-called historians has sought to pervert the truth of the Catholic Church, which did so much to alleviate the plight of Jews during WWII. Historical revisionism, sir, is not merely tool waged against world Jewry, it is a stratagem used by Jewish scholars since the 1960s to paint a false caricature of those who were so widely praised at the time for their commitment to the protection the Jewish people of Europe.
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I leave you with this from Rabbi David Dalin:
“For Jewish leaders of a previous generation, this harsh portrayal of Pope Pius XII, and the campaign of vilification against him, would have been a source of profound shock and sadness. The campaign of vilification against Pope Pius can be traced to the debut in Berlin in February 1963 of a play, by a young, Protestant, left-wing West German writer and playwright, Rolf Hochhuth. The Deputy, in which Hochhuth depicts Pacelli as a Nazi collaborator, guilty of moral cowardice and “silence” in the face of the Nazi onslaught, is a scathing indictment of Pope Pius XII’s alleged indifferences to the plight of European Jewry during the Holocaust.

Hochhuth’s play ignited a public controversy about Pius XII that continues this day. Despite the fact that The Deputy was a purely fictional and highly polemical play, which offered little or no historical evidence for its allegations against Pope Pius XII, it was widely discussed and acclaimed. Indeed, it inspired a new generation of revisionist journalists and scholars, who were intent on discrediting the well-documented efforts of Pope Pius XII to save Jews during the Holocaust. Their denunciation of Pius received widespread publicity with the commercial success of Hitler’s Pope, in which John Cornwell denounced him as “the most dangerous churchman in modern history,” without whom “Hitler might never have…been able to press forward with the Holocaust.” Although an unusually harsh and bitter judgment, it was one with which Pius XII’s other recent detractors, such as Wills and Zucotti, implicitly concur. Moreover, in their persistent efforts to vilify Pius, and defame his memory, his detractors have largely dismissed or completely ignored Pinchas Lapide’s seminal and comprehensive study that so conclusively documents the instrumental role played by Pope Pius XII in rescuing and sheltering Jews during the Holocaust.

Ahmadinejad looks Jewish. Obama looks either like Hitler or the Joker or both. There is just one thing for me to do. Drink a lot more or start on glue.

I believe the term that you wish to use is “Islamist.”
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Cfukara, to be fair, is opposed to imperialism, encroachment, and duplicity in all its forms. His assault is not on Christianity or Judaism, but on malignant endeavors carried out under the guise of religious righteousness. America, which claims to be a Christian nation, rarely abides by Christian tenets in its dealing with the international community. Israel, similarly, violates the values of Judaism in its relentless subjugation of an entire people. These are cfukara’s qualms, as I interpret them.

neorationalist86:
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Very interesting; I have not heard these claims before.

Amen: “Why, for example, is this dastardly episode in world history referred to as The Holocaust? Is it because all the genocides that have occurred prior to and after WWII matter not in the eyes of Jewish historians? What of Congo under the rule of King Leopold whereby 10 millions civilians were slaughtered by Belgian imperialists all in the name of rubber? What of Cambodia? Rwanda? Armenia? Do these atrocities not matter in the grand scope of world history?”
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Could have been written by dirty f’ing hippy like. I’d add that genocide was practiced in the Americas long before any of the above, and yet where’s the holocaust museum honoring butchered Native Americans? Where’s the prominent museum begging for forgiveness for other blights on the American heritage, slavery or the internment of Japanese Americans? Why is America so institutionally wired to commiserate only with certain designated groups?

Huffing and then heading over to the Huffington post has a certain synchronicity about it. Glue is just too pedestrian.

” .. One of my old girlfriends “looked” like a hooker .. ”

I was told by usually reliable sources (who prefer anonymity because they are not authorized to speak) that a mutt of questionable lineage who went by the name of jesus in a small hovel named Nazaret spent plenty of quality time with them hookers …
And the mutt is held in high esteem, at least by the Neanderthal types …. Why? I haven’t a clue.
[And I have no idea why dogs bury bones, so it is said, and can't find them thereafter.]

I’ve heard this complaint about the Sunday shows for over a year now. Hell, Jason Linkins devotes an entire liveblog to it every Sunday, not to mention the Bobblehead Translations.
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What are the actual numbers of people who tune into the Sunday shows? Are they dwindling like the rest of the old media?
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I wonder because my parents used to watch them religiously, and while they are by and large still loyal to the old media, now they’re going and doing things on Sundays, rather than sitting and listening to old white f–kers BS about the latest war.

” .. America is not the problem. Islamicists terrorists like the Taliban and al Kaida are. ..”

OK. So America is excluded from “the problem”. Why?

Maybe you have a thing against the ruling parties in the Afghanistan that harbored a violent Al Queda which trained on their territory and which killed Americans.

But we, in the USA, harbor the violent KKK and the Aryan Brotherhood which trains in our remote areas and which have killed and kills Americans.
We hold Afghanistan and the Taliban accountable for the terror unleashed by them, their friends or those in their territory. Who accounts for our state agencies and hired contractors – like the CIA, Blackwater, Mossad, MI6 – that roam the world over torturing, training local killers and thereby unleashing terror and mayhem?

“Islamicists terrorists”?
“terror”?
If a foreign nation or groups unleash “shock and awe” with huge bombs, missiles, drones and goon squads (that torture, rape, kill, mutilate then whoop it up) upon our good Americans, then would you consider that an act of terror and the culprit as “terrorist”?

Consider the kids and mothers huddled in caves and mud huts in Afghanistan and Pakistan listening for the foreign helicopters, stealth bombers and drones that unleash destruction and death upon their loved ones. Would you consider them as living in terror? Who is the ‘terrorist’?

“Islamicists terrorists”?
Are some ‘terrorists’ “better” than others? Would you and your loved ones rather be blown to smithereens by one group of terrorists but not the other?

Jesus and I have much in common. I suspect different fathers.

As long as mass media outlets equate pro-America with pro-war, we’ll have cognitive dissonance.
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As long as there is competition amongst content providers for the appropriation of a pro-America brand, the language laws that govern the speech of the emperor’s new tailors will be self-enforced.

Cliff, according to (link!) Media Bistro these were the #s for Sept. 20th:
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Network Program -> Viewers
NBC “Meet the Press” 3.29M
ABC “This Week” 3.08M
CBS “Face the Nation” 2.74M
FOX “Fox News Sunday” 1.24M
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And I recently read that the Beck-Cult draws 3M, on average I guess. How many villagers are there? I reckon they make up a fairly good share.
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I’m sure there a lot of people like your folks who used to watch these shows religiously, you know, the time when we thought it our civic duty to be informed and actually believed our media wasn’t a group of elite estab. guardians employed by evil corp’s. Growing up on the Potomac myself, a guy who spent two years on the hill, I soaked that sh!t up like napalm. Naively thinking they weren’t snake oil propagandists. Then I noticed some funny sh!t happening in the 90s once WJC was elected. It wasn’t merely his disappointing centrism that turned me off, it was some of the really dodgy practices that I only then began to notice fully (after 12 years of doom under Ronny & Bush One). Sadly, those practices have gotten even worse as our country has nearly jumped the rails entirely.

” .. there were multitudes of (Nazi?) Jews in the very high ranks of Hitler’s Nazi regime …”

And in the highest ranks of Hitler’s army too.

Do the vaunted Jewish Nazi hunters ever snag an old Jewish Nazi monster – with fanfare and all?
[I shall 'google' that ..]

” .. Your Jew/Christian hatred is plain for all to see. .. “

Indeed, your distaste or hatred of “Islamicists terrorists like the Taliban and al Kaida” is plain for all to see. ..

[They hate you - and that is bad. You hate them - and that is salutary, eh?]

Another “of the more popular ‘rumors’ in Iran”:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/

Educating the less fortunate and those who have limited intellectual abilities is a great thing stuart.
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Perhaps you will enjoy this link as well.
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http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm

And this link is for Joe and You, stuart.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/05/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-jewish-family

I have a question. Why are we even the least little bit surprised that Iran has their own version of the “birthers”? We say the Iranians are irrational and yet look at the wingnuts over here. Our wingnuts pump out conspiracy theories faster than the Octomom squirts out kids. Label me among those who are not shocked.

I assume you mean the left-wing nuts.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/27/clinton.conspiracy/index.html

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JC~
Could have been written by dirty f’ing hippy like.
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Or any semi-rational person with even a cursory understanding of world history. This of course, all depending on whether they have a few years of quasi-cognizance under their belt.

Stuart Zechman~
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You’re seriously not familiar with “Hitler’s Pope?” It is one of several “academic” works that has become the basis for the allegations of the Church’s complicity in Nazi endeavors. Pope Benedict’s visit to Israel early this year, for example, was criticized by Rabbi Israel Meir Lau, a former chief rabbi of Israel, because Pope Benedict, in reference to the Holocaust, failed to use the word “murdered,” instead saying “killed.” He also did not say “6 million,” only “millions.” Finally, Rabbi Lau said: “I personally missed hearing a tone of sharing the grief. I missed hearing ‘I’m sorry, I apologize.’” Seriously? Can you wade any further into self-righteous pity than that? Why, pray tell, should the Pope in 2009 apologize for the Nazi perpetrated Holocaust of 1939?
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Rabbi Marvin Heir in an Op-Ed published by the LA Times on May 11, 2009 stated:
On the 70th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II, Jews around the world need to acknowledge that the Catholic Church of 2009 is no longer the same institution it was under Pius XII. Jews and Catholics may have their differences, but Benedict XVI’s pilgrimage to Jerusalem confirms that the Catholic Church, once a main source of anti-Semitism, is today an important voice in validating the Jewish people’s right to fulfill a historic and spiritual destiny.
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So, given the testimonies that I provided in my original post voiced by Jewish leaders of the 1930s and 1940s, testimonies which clearly enunciated the virtues and bravery of the Church during WWII to stand up for the protection of Jews in Europe when few else would, how, I ask, do people such as Rabbi Heir suggest that the Catholic Church of today has turned its back on the “anti-Semitism” of the past, “no longer the same institution it was under Pius XII?” And which type of institution would that be, Rabbi Heir? Perhaps he, and his fellow historical snobs, should look to their own Jewish figures of the period, rather than contemporary revisionist propaganda. Wouldn’t you agree, Stuart?