Public Option Debate in the Senate Finance Committee

Although the prospects of a public option finding its way into the Senate Finance Committee health reform bill are bleak, Chairman Max Baucus seems ready to devote the bulk of today’s markup to the topic.

The committee spent most of its morning session rehashing the arguments for and against the creation of a public health insurance plan. Senators Jay Rockefeller and Charles Schumer – who have both proposed amendments that would add a public option to the Baucus bill – say it’s the only way to inject competition into the health insurance market and bring down costs. Republicans who oppose a public option say it’s a Trojan horse for a single-payer system in which all private insurers would be driven out of business. These arguments have written about here, here and here.

But in between rehashing the public option debate this morning, there were some moments worth noting:

Rockefeller’s passionate argument for the public option. He has been the committee member most adamant about its inclusion in the bill, even hinting he may vote against a bill with no public option. The Baucus bill, said Rockefeller, is a giveaway to private insurers. “We’re saying to people – those are the people who elect us – that they somehow don’t count…That people come second and profits come first…We know from experience, insurance companies often exploit loopholes…They’re very good at it…They get away with as much as they can get away with because nobody’s looking.” Rockefeller said his amendment promotes competition in the marketplace and is therefore “a Republican amendment…a free market amendment.”

Schumer and Grassley’s war of words Schumer managed to rattle Ranking Member Chuck Grassley, as the latter was explaining why he thinks a government-run insurance plan will lead to a government “takeover” of health care. “I’d just like to know what you think of Medicare, a government run plan that’s far more government run than what Senator Rockefeller is proposing,” asked Schumer. Grassley’s response was that “Medicare is part of the social fabric of America.” The two senators went back and forth several times before Grassley began to stammer, eventually saying, “If you want competition, you don’t want the government running anything…government is not a competitor, it’s a predator.”

Ensign connecting gun control and public transportation to health care After Democrat Kent Conrad, who supports a non-profit cooperative health insurance plan instead of a true public option, showed a chart that puts the U.S. 19th in the world in “preventable deaths,” Republican John Ensign said the numbers were skewed. He pointed out that if automobile and gun deaths were eliminated from the data, the U.S. would rank much higher. Calling these “cultural differences,” Ensign said “in this country, we like our guns” and “we are a more mobile society” who drives more and uses public transportation less than Europe. He then presented a chart showing the U.S. far ahead of Great Britain and Europe in 5-year cancer survival rates, prompting Democratic Senator Debbie Stabenow to point out that other individual European countries rank higher than the U.S. in that metric.

Snowe’s silence Republican, and possible swing vote, Olympia Snowe has not said anything yet today on the subject of a public option. She has proposed an amendment, yet to be debated, that would “trigger” a public option if affordable plans and competition in the private insurance market does not materialize.

UPDATE: The Senate Finance Committee voted down Rockefeller’s public option amendment, 15 to 8. All Republicans, plus Democrats Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson and Chairman Max Baucus voted against it. UPDATE: Democrat Thomas Carper also voted against the amendment.

SECOND UPDATE: The committee also voted down Schumer’s public option amendment, 13 to 10. All Republicans, plus Conrad, Lincoln and Baucus voted against it.

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  • pierogielunaire

    Thanks for the summary, Kate. Despite the bleak prospects for a public option coming out the Finance Committee, it is certainly worth having Grassley stumble all over himself to embrace Medicare while simultaneously pronouncing government a predator. Note to Chuck: we know who the predators are in the HC debate and you are trying to protect them, so thanks for nothing.

  • stuartzechman

    Kate Pickert:

    Republican John Ensign said the numbers were skewed. He pointed out that if automobile and gun deaths were eliminated from the data, the U.S. would rank much higher.

    Conceding at the moment purely for arguments’ sake that Ensign’s is an even partially accurate statement, how much higher in health care outcomes is he suggesting that we truly reach? 10th? 6th? Anything less than #1?
    .
    More importantly, is Ensign contending that these numbers

    http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/4/38980557.PDF
    .
    Total spending on health care, per person, 2007:
    .
    United States: $7290
    Switzerland: $4417
    France: $3601
    United Kingdom: $2992
    Average of OECD developed nations: $2964
    Italy: $2686
    Japan: $2581 (2006)

    are “skewed“, or is he suggesting that the US’s supposed “much higher” ranking than #19 justifies our paying double the health care cost of almost every other developed nation?
    .
    What do the Senators say about the extraordinary $7000-plus price tag, Kate Pickert?
    .
    …It’s a very serious question that should be at the heart of the debate, correct?

  • pafro

    Baucus had a public option in his own health care bill a year ago, now he is voting against it. Crook.

  • nflfoghorn

    Thanks a lot, pols, for rejecting your representative democratic duties. May Kaiser Permanente, Blue Cross and Untied [sic] Healthcare burn a six-inch hole in your sorry orifices.

  • pafro

    Republican say that guns make us safer. That is why we need them in National Parks and schools.
    Wouldn’t more guns decrease health care costs?

  • pierogielunaire

    So the next chance for the public option is when the HELP bill and SFC bill are merged. Though there are no surprises in terms of which Health Care industry shills voted against the public option, the strong, principled stance that Rockefeller and others took in its favor is actually encouraging to me.

  • pafro

    It is kinda refreshing that these Lieberdems can no longer just spout some third person “it doesn’t have the votes” nonsense without it being noted that they are a “no” vote themselves.

  • homerhk

    it’s definitely worth having the vote if only to see it go down. people need to be convinced that if it does go down, they’ve tried as hard as possible to get it done. I am an Obama supporter and could live with a bill without the public option but I do wonder whether about the motivation of the democrats who voted it down: campaign cash? principles? or leaned on by Obama – or should I say guided there since they probably leaned that way anyway?

    My view? if it means that healthcare gets done, I’m ok with no public option. the real question is whether Obama could have had it all? a gamble, no doubt, and from what we’ve seen Obama is not a gambler. In my view you take the bad with the good – it may not have worked for him in this instance, but I quite like the fact that he’s not a reckless gambler overall.

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    Phase 1 of the civil war begins and the enemy is clearly identified.

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    Unlike you Rusty no one is threatening violence. The war in the Democratic party will consist of doing everything one can to defeat the enemy, voting for a third party, or staying home.

  • rustyreturns

    Well Derek, hopefully your little “civil war” will produce a situation where the Democrat Party is totally torn in two. Hopefully we can once and for put the Democrat Party away into the far recesses of life’s other former follys, like the Edsel.

  • nflfoghorn

    The “RepublIC” Party couldn’t pick up any pieces if the Democrats self-immolated, Rusty.

  • virginiagentleman

    I hate to interrupt this substantive discussion but shouldn’t somebody tell Time to do a little spellcheck on the headline to this post?

    Just saying.

  • FlownOver

    SHHHHH!!! They’ll fix it, and what’s the fun in that? Besides, spellcheck only picks up non-words.

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    Meanwhile, I’ll be writing checks to anyone, in either party, running against Conrad, Lincoln and/or Baucus. With “Democrats” like these, we might as well have admitted Republicans.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Kate. Your story made my day. *All* of the story.

  • agnomina

    How else are we going to get the 18-34 demographic involved? ;)

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Well Derek, hopefully your little “civil war” will produce a situation where the Democrat Party is totally torn in two. Hopefully we can once and for put the Democrat Party away into the far recesses of life’s other former follys, like the Edsel.”

    We will soon find out once we see the final bill, and the President decides which side he is on.

  • gysgt213

    This is not over by a long shot. Everyone remember that. Please.

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    Ensign makes a good point. Increasing the number of shooting fatalities would reduce healthcare costs. America needs more guns, not less.

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