Finance Committee Democrats Buck the White House

For the most part, 13-10 vote tallies on the Senate Finance Committee’s heath reform bill this week will be strictly along party lines. There are 13 Democrats on the committee, including Chairman Max Baucus, and 10 Republicans. But a 13-10 divide this afternoon on an amendment from Democrat Bill Nelson indicated a different kind of split.

Nelson’s amendment would have gutted a deal struck earlier this year between the White House and pharmaceutical companies. Although the amendment failed to pas, Nelson got the support of nine other Democrats; all 10 Republicans, plus Baucus and Democratic senators Thomas Carper and Robert Menendez voted against the proposal, which in effect, leaves the White House deal in place – for now.

As I wrote in an earlier post when Nelson first offered the amendment on Tuesday, the White House deal with PhRMA essentially calls for drug companies to cut prices on name brand drugs by 50% for seniors stuck in what’s known as the doughnut hole, a gap in prescription drug coverage. (The deal is written into the current Baucus bill.) PhRMA also agreed not to oppose health care reform and to, in fact, wholeheartedly support it with cold hard cash in the form of advertising and lobbying. In exchange, President Obama – who appeared at a press conference with AARP and Baucus to announce and endorse the deal – reportedly promised the industry would not have to weather any more cuts. The deal, struck in June, had one further purpose – to publicly show early in the health reform debate that special interests were “coming to the table.” In essence, the White House was trying to send a signal to other special interests that if they wanted to escape the wrath of Democrats writing health reform legislation, they had to step up to the plate early.

But in the light of day, many Democrats – including Nelson – thought what was good public relations and backroom deal-making didn’t necessarily make for great policy. The deal with PhRMA is not the huge sacrifice for drug makers that it might seem. The companies, for instance, would likely sell many more drugs because of the discount. Nelson’s amendment, on the other hand, would have saved the government more money and upset the pharmaceutical industry much more. The amendment called for the reversal of a provision in a 2003 law that shifted drug coverage for Americans eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare from being provided by Medicaid to being provided by Medicare. (In plain terms, beneficiaries weren’t really affected, but the government now pays much more for drugs than before the 2003 law.) Nelson suggested the savings resulting from his amendment should go toward closing the doughnut hole entirely, not partway, as the White House deal would.

In re-introducing his amendment today, Nelson admitted at the outset that he knew it would not pass, but said he had Baucus’s support to introduce the provision on the Senate floor in the future. After some debate, with Democrat Jay Rockefeller saying Nelson’s “rapture” over the amendment was an indicator of how good it was policy-wise and ranking Republican Chuck Grassley saying it amounted to “government price controls,” Baucus said, “I want to close the doughtnut hole as much as anybody…but this is inappropriate…Frankly, I wish the senator had not pushed this amendment because it’s not going to pass…the White House did reach an agreement…and that’s progress.”

Debate over Nelson’s amendment today, however, did not get as heated as on Tuesday, when Grassley said Democrats should be “embarrassed” by Obama for cutting the deal with PhRMA. Today, as the senators calmly laid out their positions on prescription drug coverage, they even offered advice on their favorite methods for lowering cholesterol. Democrat Chuck Schumer said Lipitor works for him, while Grassley said he likes Omega-3 pills, to which Nelson quipped that grapefruit might work just as well.

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  • stuartzechman

    Kate Pickert:

    The deal with PhRMA is not the huge sacrifice for drug makers that it might seem.

    and

    ranking Republican Chuck Grassley saying it amounted to “government price controls,”

    get right down to the black heart of the problem with US health care costing twice as much as what the developed world pays.
    .
    This is an incredibly important development, one that actually touches on whether health care reform puts our country on track to health care solvency, or keeps us on the road to wild inflationary ruin.
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    Please, please, please continue to update us on this key story, and this profoundly important piece of the health care debate puzzle, Kate Pickert.
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    Thank you so very much for this report.

  • pierogielunaire

    No fan of Ben Nelson, but ditching the WH’s back room deal with PhRMA to me would have been progress. The Administration has given up way too much on this already.

  • spob

    So Time Magazine is reporting that there was a quid pro quo–Pharma will do the ads in exchange for stuff in the bill. Doesn’t that sound suspiciously like, ummmmm, bribery?
    .

  • spob

    “Finance Committee Democrats Buck the White House”
    .
    Why should Senate Dems be any different from anyone else? I mean, if Netanyahu can roll Obama, certainly a bunch of old bulls in the Senate can too.

  • plukasiak

    What happened to Grassley between Tuesday and today? I mean, if the Dems should be embarrassed by Obama cutting the deal, why shouldn’t Grassley be embarrassed for supporting the deal?
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  • pafro

    Didn’t BILL Nelson also propose an amendment to keep the corporate welfare policies of Medicare Advantage?
    This is a textbook example of how the Lieberdems operate: propose to save a few billion in one place (along with all the requisite preening for Broder et al.) and quietly waste hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money in another place.

  • nflfoghorn

    To that end, Glenn Blech is obviously hyped-up on Ritalin. Rush is — oh, that’s too easy.

  • nflfoghorn

    Bill’s from Florida; Ben, Nebraska.

  • nflfoghorn

    Come on, Spob – U think BO would risk being perceived as an anti-Semite if he dares to withhold $ from Israel to protest the illegal home-building they’re still doing? Especially when his middle name is HUSSEIN?? Nahoohoo doesn’t have any control over him.

  • spob

    NFL, Obama laid down a marker, settlement halt and no building in E. Jerusalem. Netanyahu said no, and Obama blnked.
    .
    I’d say that he got rolled.

  • spob

    So guys, lessee. White House agrees with Big Pharma that the final bill will have a certain outcome, and in exchange Big Pharma will expend advertising dollars. Isn’t that prima facie, a bribe?

  • pierogielunaire

    Right you are, nfl. Not a fan of him either.

  • nflfoghorn

    Spob, to your above rebuttal I don’t perceive it as being “rolled”. I’d say BO is being prudent with his battles ’cause he just has too much on his plate. Besides, if he did do the right thing you’d just say he’s being anti-Semitic. Either way he still couldn’t win by you.

  • nflfoghorn

    Bill’s a real space cadet. Really.

  • nflfoghorn

    Also, the admin was trying to get Big Pharma on its side unlike ’94. Offering an olive branch seems like a wise idea. Could’ve done so with more public input I admit.

  • spob

    You know, nfl, you can buy some of His bathwater–the price has come waaaaaaaaaaay down.

  • spob

    Nothing wrong with trying to get a player on your side. A quid pro quo exchanging provisions in the bill to help said player for the player spending money on advertising smells um, like, um you know, bribery.

  • grape_crush

    …to the black heart of the problem with US health care costing twice as much as what the developed world pays…
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    Yup. Case in point:
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    [Interesting read here]:

    Springfield became the first city in the nation to officially encourage its employees to buy prescription drugs from Canada. City workers fax or mail their prescriptions to a company in Canada; the prescriptions are filled there, and the drugs are mailed to the patients’ homes. The workers get a reduced copay, and the city saves 20% to 80% on each pill. In just four months, Springfield Meds, as the program is known, has saved the town about $640,000.

    Now, I realize this is drug prices and not medical services, but the idea is that it costs more because it is allowed to cost more.

  • carotexas1

    Kate did you not mean that Nelson has the Majority Leader, Harry Reid support to bring it up on the floor. Not Baucus?

    I am a big fan of the President, but this time I think he was advised wrong on this deal. Probably would have been some help for them to tie this to the bill and what they did have would have scored and bring down the cost of the bill.

    This is one time I would love to see the whole discussion and who voted played over and over on cable.

    Wonder why the Republicans did not use this opportunity for fiscal responsibility? Will reporters ask?

    I wonder if Conrad who voted by proxy will vote for this on the floor when introduced.

  • agnomina

    I could have sworn I heard someone define a similar situation as ‘free speech’.

  • stuartzechman

    Yes, it does, full stop.

  • spob

    Not even close. And your comment suggests a pretty nasty disingenuousness. An agreement to expend large sums of money in exchange for specific provisions in a bill is not protected speech.

  • spob

    So, um, will Time Magazine reporters ask the hard questions? Is Carper accusing the WH of accepting bribe offers?

  • formerlyjames

    grape, I wonder if Canada would allow those people to buy into their health care plan as well, at least while the folks in d.c. are fumbling around?

  • pierogielunaire

    I almost agree with spob here (which I admit has me a bit shocked) but I don’t think it rises to the level of bribery so much as a quid pro quo. Contrast this to how Bushco rammed through Medicare Advantage which was really just a quid.

    Of course I understand that the quo in Medicare Advantage is tons of contributions from the healthcare sector. And that’s how these things should be done, right? Real quiet like.

  • spob

    I don’t know guys–usually when specifics of legislation are traded for specific actions, that agreement usually completes the bribery. You get X in this bill, and I’ll do Y.

  • nflfoghorn

    Bribery is not a win-win for both sides.

  • spob

    So if a business pays $1000 to a crooked pol, and gets a sweetheart deal worth $1,000,000, there’s not a win-win??

  • rustyreturns

    Well one thing is for sure. We can finally stop hearing about how “George Bush sold out to the big industry oil companies and military-wares providers”.
    .
    This simply REEKS of payoffs, bribes and other nefarious political corruption!!
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    Way to go Obama, “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”
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    If I hear one more liberal talking point now how “Bush sold us out”, you WILL get this right back in your face!!

  • nflfoghorn

    Voting to go to war based on intelligence that was eventually found to be based on lies sandwiched around mistruths wrapped up in a wheat pita of lies, now THAT is bribery.

  • pierogielunaire

    Which is the conundrum for Wingnuttia, rusty. How do you attack Obama for being a big-government socialist AND in the pocket of big business at the same time?

  • spob

    oh piero, certainly you’re bright enough to figure out that Big Business isn’t necessarily opposed to socialism . . . .

  • spob

    Bribery? Doubtful. Funny how you’ve abandoned your silly claim about win-win.
    .
    Geez. once again, His bathwater is for sale, and prices have dropped.

  • stuartzechman

    Commenters:
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    I have an idea:
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    Let’s just concede that this was legal bribery, stop parsing the meaning of “bribery”, stop defending Obama’s (or anyone’s part) in the matter, and get on with the examination of the question that is of primary –even higher then bribery– importance here:
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    If
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    1) “the White House deal with PhRMA essentially calls for drug companies to cut prices on name brand drugs by 50%“, and
    .
    2) “The deal with PhRMA is not the huge sacrifice for drug makers that it might seem.“, and
    .
    3) “the government now pays much more for drugs than before the 2003 law” because of “a 2003 law that shifted drug coverage…from being provided by Medicaid to being provided by Medicare
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    then why shouldn’t the amendment be included in the legislation and pass?
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    Why shouldn’t we implement what the huckster Grassley characterizes as “government price controls”, and get our health care costs more in line with the developed world’s?
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    I’m not asking why the amendment didn’t pass –we have the process-addicted Beltway press corps to endlessly explain that– I’m asking why the amendment shouldn’t have passed.
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    If “ll 10 Republicans, plus Baucus and Democratic senators Thomas Carper and Robert Menendez voted against the proposal” to institute price controls on drug companies that are in line with those imposed by other rich nations’ governments on their pharmaceutical vendors, then how do Max Baucus and Obama envision reducing those bank-breaking prices?
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    How exactly do the dynamic duo of Baucus and Obama plan to keep Medicare and Medicaid out of the bankruptcy toilet?
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    Shouldn’t Baucus have voted with the other Democrats who were willing to stick their necks out to regulate drug prices downward for the American people, thus helping to save Medicare?
    .
    Who the f*ck did we elect?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Continued good reporting Kate Pickert, thanks.

  • grape_crush

    Great idea!
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    Now, just to figure out how to fit a Canadian doctor into a FedEx envelope…

  • spob

    Umm, I dont think it’s a slam dunk that it wasn’t illegal bribery. It certainly warrants media attention.

  • pierogielunaire

    I completely agree, Stuart and don’t want to waste too much time on an essentially semantic argument. So please forgive my previous digressions. I do think it’s pretty funny—and sad— when the same people who defend Medicare Advantage and the “rights” of contractors like Humana to disseminate misinformation get all riled when they see this from the current WH. That said. The Baucus process is a very long bad joke and Obama’s willingness to stand with Baucus and contemplate non sequiturs like a trigger for the public option is absurd in the extreme. I still believe that this bill is going to come down to reconciliation and 51 votes.

  • grape_crush

    Let’s just concede that this was legal bribery…
    .
    If anything, it’s extortion on the part of Big Pharma…”It would be a real shame if anything happened to this nice health care reform bill youse got…”
    .
    But yes, Baucus is a tool.

  • plukasiak

    SPOB is right, although I’m not sure what to call it because I don’t know whose idea it was and how the offer was framed — but it clearly stinks.
    _
    The bottom line here is that Obama “gave up” well over $100 Billion in savings on prescription drugs in exchange for $150 million dollars worth of ads in support of his “health care plan”. And what makes the whole thing even more egregious is that what Obama gave up was something that was central to his argument during the campaign that his plans were affordable.
    _

  • plukasiak

    you can keep out of my face on this one rusty, because I think Obama’s drug deal stinks to high heaven — and I’ve been saying it here (and everywhere) ever since it was revealed.

  • pierogielunaire

    Certainly, spob. Let us band together in the fight against the dastardly socialist-capitalist elites!

  • spob

    The WH agreed to put X in the bill if Pharma ran political ads supporting the bill. What’s that if not bribery?

  • pierogielunaire

    spob, you do understand don’t you that no one is defending the administration on this. Can’t you please take “yes” for and answer?

  • plukasiak

    The WH agreed to put X in the bill if Pharma ran political ads supporting the bill. What’s that if not bribery?
    _
    actually, I think the word we’re looking for is blackmail, because its what the White House did NOT do (put in provisions like “negotiate medicare drug prices” like he promised during the campaign) in exchange for all that money spent on ads.
    _
    In other words, the deal was more like “Unless you agree to spend the money on ads, we’ll keep our campaign promises!” than “if you’ll spend money on ads, we’ll ignore our campaign promises.”

  • stuartzechman

    I think that spob wants to start arguments (that he thinks he can win) instead of getting us thinking together about what these events really mean for our country, and how best to understand them (so that ultimately we can exert pressure on our representatives to do the right thing).

  • spob

    Uh, guys, isn’t bribery, um, illegal? It matters not if the deal is not consummated by the way. And if the WH is engaging in it, isn’t it, um, important??

  • agnomina

    So a private entity makes a deal with the government in order to protect their interests and promote government action, and it’s bribery.
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    Another private entity uses government money and resources to violate their contract and try to undermine the government into catering to them, and they’re champions of free speech.
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    Look, both situations stink, spob. But both are pushing their agendas on government dollar too. One broke a contract to do so, another made an agreement to do so. You can’t defend one entity’s right to derail legislation under free speech, then denounce another entity’s promotion of the legislation, when both entities in question are using fed money to do it.
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    And for the record, ‘nasty ingenuousness’, huh. Heaven help us, perhaps you’d think me more sincere if I didn’t disagree with you.

  • meanjoegreen59

    If this Baucus Health Care Overhaul and the 500 billion cuts in Medicare goes thru, we will be entering the Dark Ages of Health Care in this country. These plans will wreck the best health care system in the world.
    Where are all the doctors going to come from when most people get free or almost free health care? Appointments (like in England and Canada) will run from a few weeks to months to get your 5 minutes with a doctor or assistant. This is Cuban style health care.
    These left-wing liberals, in Washington, could care less about mine and your health. It’s all about control.They think if they can control our health care, they can control us. We must not let that happen!

  • http://pjnoel.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/healthcare-reform-update/ Healthcare Reform Update « The Sloth

    [...] ObamaCare Chooses Pharma Over Seniors. During last week’s negotiations, Senator Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) proposed an amendment to ObamaCare which would have closed Medicare’s so-called ‘doughnut hole,’ saving 3 million ‘in-the-gap’ seniors thousands of dollars and saving taxpayers a CBO-estimated $50 billion over 10 years. Nelson’s proposal, however, would have violated the $80 billion agreement which President Obama and Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus cut with the pharmaceutical industry. Said Baucus during the meeting, “Although the goal is good, [breaking the deal with the drug industry is] inappropriate…The White House did reach an agreement.” (http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/24/finance-committee-democrats-buck-the-white-house/) [...]

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