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Quid Pro…Quo?

The Obama Administration is about to announce that it is scrapping plans for anti-missile defense facilities in Poland and Czechoslovakia. This is likely to enrage the already apoplectic neoconservatives, who see the system not merely as an anti-Iranian measure, which is its stated intent, but as another means to put pressure on Russia. Despite what you’ll be hearing from the screechers over the coming days, the Obama Administration is not scrapping anti-missile defense–although there are good arguments that the notion of hitting a bullet with a bullet is sci-fi fantasy and a waste of money. Secretary Gates has favored smaller anti-missile rockets, closer to the source of the threat–and it’s not impossible that, if the science proves plausible, Obama will propose an anti-missile shield closer to Iran, in Turkey or the Balkans.

But there is another aspect of this decision to think about.

It was generally believed that Obama was holding out the anti-missile system as a bargaining chip to be used in return for Russian cooperation on a more rigorous sanctions regime against the Iranian nuclear development program. And so the question is: what has the Administration gotten in return from the Russians for this concession?

We don’t know yet….but I’ve been thinking: The Administration’s agreement to talk with Iran, in the context of the P5+1 negotiations (that is, the United Nations permanent five plus Germany), also seemed a concession to Iran. But what if it wasn’t. What if it’s attempt to paint Iran into a corner?

Here is how the talks might evolve: The U.S. has been insisting on a freeze of Iran’s nuclear fuel production. This has been an awkward demand because Iran has the right to enrich uranium under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. The demand was made because Iran lied in the past about its attempts to build a bomb–efforts that apparently was abandoned in 2003–and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) asked for all documents related to that program, which Iran has refused to provide since it denies the program ever existed.

No doubt, the Iranians will continue to insist on their right to enrich uranium. The question is, will the US and its European allies accept that right, but insist on a new, more vigorous inspection regime by the IAEA, perhaps a constant, on-the-ground international presence at Iranian nuclear facilities? Is it possible that what the Obama Administration is playing for with the Russians is agreeement to participate in new sanctions down the road, if the Iranians refuse to accept this new deal?

Again, this is just speculation on my part. But I do hope that this anti-missile move has a Russian concession attached to it, perhaps not publicly (just as the US agreement to remove its nuclear missiles from Turkey was not make public during the Cuban Missile Crisis). The Obama Administration’s diplomatic strategy is, I believe, wise and comprehensive–but it needs to show more than public concessions over time. A few diplomatic victories wouldn’t hurt.

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  • Ivy_B

    “and it’s not impossible that, if the science proves plausible, Obama will propose an anti-missile shield…”

    How long have we been trying to make that “if” come true Joe? How many billions has it cost us? If we had that money, we could probably provide free health care for everyone at greater benefit.

  • truevcu

    If this is indeed related to Iran then we could expect to see some candy also being thrown at China fairly soon.

  • square1

    And so the question is: what has the Administration gotten in return from the Russians for this concession?

    Getting something in return is not Obama’s style.

  • homerhk

    Square, my friend, these things play out over a long period of time; what seems like a concession now can seem to be a brilliant piece of thinking later on. We just don’t know that now, about anything, not just this.

    I could never, in any event, figure out why the missile shield was important any way. It costs loads, it doesn’t work and pisses off too many people! the fact that it might get some assistance on the iran issue is not nothing either.

    given the political hay that republicans are going to making out of this, and the so-called traditional weakness of the left on national security, making this decision now -in the middle of an extremely heated debate on healthcare and other issues and while the nutjobs have their 15 minutes of fame (beck on the cover of TIME!!!), Obama’s showing some pretty big balls here.

  • textee

    The Soviet KGB used to have to communicate with its America hating collaborators and useful idiots in secret (see Kennedy, Ted http://sweetness-light.com/archive/kgb-letter-details-kennedy-offer-to-ussr). Now, the Russians have their very own fool in the White House.

  • rustyreturns

    “what has the Administration gotten in return from the Russians for this concession?” Joe Klein

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    Answer:
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    1. “The U.S. has been insisting on a freeze of Iran’s nuclear fuel production.” Has this ever worked before? Nope!! Are we hopeful it will work? Nope!! Do sanctions usually work with the likes of North Korea or Iran, the former “Axis of Evil”? NOPE!!
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    2. “But I do hope that this anti-missile move has a Russian concession attached to it, perhaps not publicly (just as the US agreement to remove its nuclear missiles from Turkey was not make public during the Cuban Missile Crisis). The Obama Administration’s diplomatic strategy is, I believe, wise and comprehensive–but it needs to show more than public concessions over time. A few diplomatic victories wouldn’t hurt.”
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    Well basically a hope and a prayer are the only things the Obama Administration will garner from the so-called “talks” with Iran.
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    Then, Israel will step in, bomb the hell out of the Iranians. What do we get in return? More “talk” or appeasement Obama style. Talking out of both sides of your mouth will produce these types of situations. We know Obama is playing both sides, Iran and Israel in hopes that the problem will soon go away.
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    Unfortunately the “problem” remains some 60+ years since its inception. The only constant fact in the whole Israel versus the Arab World Conflict, we are no further ahead than we were 30 years ago. What we do know is that what we have received in return for our efforts, the destruction of the Twin Towers and the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01.
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    You simply make me sick Joe Klein, and many more Americans will die as a result of your continued support of Obama’s lunatic foreign policy plans.

  • spob

    “although there are good arguments that the notion of hitting a bullet with a bullet is sci-fi fantasy and a waste of money.”
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    Wow. Tell that to the Navy guys who rely on the AWS and Standard Missiles.

  • centfan

    rusty, spob, I have an experiment for you to see if your world view works.

    I want you to get ‘roided up. I want you to work out so hard you can bench 600 lbs. I want you to go out and buy guns and knives. Then I want you to go door to door in your neighborhood, your entire neighborhood, and beat your neighbor’s a$$. Kick their cats. Pi$$ on their lawns. Wear your guns everywhere. I want you to live your American dream. Then I want you to see what happens.

    Remember, give no excuses. You’re right because you can. Anything less is a sign you’re a weak pr1ck.

    Oh, and if you don’t have the guts you’re and Obama-esque appeaser.

    Tell me how that isn’t the way you want to handle the world. Don’t be whimps about it. Yeah, I thought so…

  • spob

    And he announced it on September 17. Isn’t that the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland? Nice timing Barack.
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    I wonder if Lech Walesa got some DVDs that don’t work.

  • spob

    Defensive missile shields are analagous to kicking everyone’s butt? Ok gotcha.

  • rustyreturns

    Well I guess your “plan” along with Obama’s is to allow more Americans to just simply roll over and die. Good plan there bucko!

  • rustyreturns

    Here you go centfan, you too JOE KLEIN!! Enjoy!
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  • kbanginmotown

    Thursday, folks, Thursday.

  • truevcu

    Ok, I’ll bite: what exactly does ACORN have to do with missile defense?

  • Ffred

    Agreed. It’s a boondoggle, just like Star Wars.

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  • mjshep

    And we have our very own fool here in Swampland.

    Except our fool is even foolier. In fact, he may be the fooliest fool there is.

  • mjshep

    But, but, but…. Clinton!

  • spob
  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    It be costin’ (wastin’) billions o’ dollars so far.
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    It don’t work.
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    It be nothin’ bu’ a Star Wars type o’ fantasy, bu’ it be a feel-good-feel-safe-though-complete’ disconnected’-fr’m-reality fantasy.
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    Wha’s not t’ love ’bout it?
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    ‘ Cause, if Russia were t’ be buildin’ somethin’ similar in Canada…’r Mexico…’r CUBA, fer instance, we’d be havin’ no problems a’tall wi’ ‘em takin’ defensive pr’cautions, ri’, mateys?
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    YARR!

  • zooklars

    Can anybody explain what an antiballistic missile defense up in Poland or Czech Republic do against Russia with thousands of missiles and in the process of re-negotiatiing a comprehensive missile accord with the USA? The Russians already know this could be installed if the pending agreement is unacceptable to USA. If Iran is the worry a closer location would make sense if such defense is in any way effective.

  • apollyon07

    Actually they’ve had successful tests the last few years.
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    And no, defensive missiles don’t count as “saber rattling”.

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  • nathan7777

    Then, Israel will step in, bomb the hell out of the Iranians.
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    Because Israel bombing the hell out of their neighbors certainly worked in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, and 2006.
    .
    Unfortunately the “problem” remains some 60+ years since its inception. The only constant fact in the whole Israel versus the Arab World Conflict, we are no further ahead than we were 30 years ago. What we do know is that what we have received in return for our efforts, the destruction of the Twin Towers and the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01.
    .
    And your solution is more death and destruction?

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  • pcwalt

    So, both of you are suggesting that
    a) all that stuff about Patriot missile defense during Operation Desert Storm about 18 years ago (sensors local to the theater of operation relaying the information to Australia, where it was analyzed, then coordinates relayed to the batteries in Saudi Arabia or Israel, where the missile was launched to intercept the scud missiles launched by Iraq, resulting in about 80% successful intercept rate — that all was a fraud; or
    b) maybe there was some truth behind that Patriot intercept missile sort of stuff, but there has been absolutely no improvement on the technology since then (despite all the improvements in satellite imaging and measurement, computing power and algorithms, manufacturing technology, and mechanical technology generally).
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    Or are you two trying fervently to wish something away?

  • pcwalt

    I suspect you are correct. Expect something more like the Jimmy Carter approach: push questionable allies in tenuous situations over the brink, making sure they become our enemy for several years (or generations) to come.

  • pcwalt

    If square1 is correct, and Obama is using something more like the Carter approach, Putin or Medvedev is likely to use one of them to tee off nicely.

  • pcwalt

    So, you are suggesting that
    a) all that stuff about Patriot missile defense during Operation Desert Storm about 18 years ago (sensors local to the theater of operation relaying the information to Australia, where it was analyzed, then coordinates relayed to the batteries in Saudi Arabia or Israel, where the missile was launched to intercept the scud missiles launched by Iraq, resulting in about 80% successful intercept rate — that all was a fraud; or
    b) maybe there was some truth behind that Patriot intercept missile sort of stuff, but there has been absolutely no improvement on the technology since then (despite all the improvements in satellite imaging and measurement, computing power and algorithms, manufacturing technology, and mechanical technology generally).
    .
    Or are you trying fervently to wish something away?

    And yer durned tootin’ sure I would have no problem with that. (Though I doubt any of them would want such a thing from Russia, unless several boatloads of Rubles came along with their missile defense system, and unless the Russians manning the system were far better behaved than UN peace keepers. Okay, maybe Cuban politicians fear the long arm of the KGB, still, and would be afraid to dis Putin.)

  • croaker88

    I do not understand why anyone is upset about the decision not to put a missile defence shield in Poland or the Cezch Republic considering we already have a well tested, installed missile system aboard every ageis capable ship in the US navy. Its called the Standard Missile 3. The idea that we would need a land based system in Poland to defend against Iran is ridiculous. It did not make an ounce of sense. The real idea was to piss off Russia and was just cowboy foreign policy that destabilizes the international community. Considering we have navies all over the globe that have the ability to destroy any missile launched by any country means we do not have to waste the money in Eastern Europe ( not to mention the fact that the majority of the population did not want the system any way). The SM3 is more than capable as demonstrated by the destruction of American spy satellite USA 193. Seems to me that that the far right crazies are just looking for another non issue to attempt to de-rail the Obama adminstration for trying to correct the mistakes of the past.

  • pcwalt

    Absolutely right! If you have neighbors with loaded weapons pointed your direction, why get any defensive weapons? Your neighbors would surely have more than you. And, besides, if they started firing, you could call the police. The police might well be able to get to your place in under 15 minutes.
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    Yeah, you’re absolutely right. The Czechs and the Poles are good buddies with the Russians, and probably would consider any sort of Missile defense system in their land to be some sort of white elephant.

  • keyworking

    The knee-jerk reaction to this initiative seems a bit similar, if not identical to conservative outcries about “cuts” to the military budget some time ago.
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    Of course, it didn’t matter that the defense budget saw an increase; and it doesn’t matter now that what is being proposed is a cost-effective alternative to accomplish the same goal and more; like protecting Israel, for instance.
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    But of course, the actual details are irrelevant. It’s something of a reflex, I think.

  • pcwalt

    Now, are you saying the clear majority of *Eastern Europe*? or the majority specifically of Poland and the Czech republic, particularly? (There is a BIG difference.) Poland as a whole, most of Ukraine, and most of Georgia (and some other FSU states to varying degrees) have been working fervently to join the western world. But many have been rebuffed by NATO and by the European Union. Note that Poland sent one of the largest contingents of soldiers to Iraq, and was one of the last to leave.
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    But now that Bush is out, and Obama is in, and the Democrats are in control of both houses, these FSU states are not ready to push near so hard to join the western nations. And the thought of having this American stuff in their land across the border from Russia, with the level of American support they can expect, is not so appealing as it once was.
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    And aren’t you one of the folks who decried the thought of always doing things for purely *American self interest*?

  • dencal26

    Despite what Joe says Missile Defense has come a long way and has seen many successful tests. Putin now knows Obama is a weak man because this comes AFTER Russia made an agreement with Chavez on Nuclear Power. Duh. Welcome Back Carter

  • dencal26

    How many successful missile tests do you need?\

    Boeing announced this weekend a successful intercept of a ballistic missile in space of its mission representative exo-atmospheric kill vehicle. In the past, there would have been much made of this successful test, but now, it’s only news of a test fails – the “man bites dog” event.

    The test of the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) system began at 4:01 p.m. Eastern when a long-range ballistic missile target lifted off from the Kodiak Launch Complex in Alaska. Seventeen minutes later, military operators launched an interceptor from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif. As the interceptor flew toward the target, it received target data updates from the upgraded missile-warning radar at Beale Air Force Base, Calif. After flying into space, the interceptor released its exoatmospheric kill vehicle, which proceeded to track, intercept and destroy the target warhead.

    The test, GMD’s seventh intercept overall, was the second intercept with an operationally configured interceptor since September 2006.

  • dencal26

    Rather than admit Obama made a naive mistake of inexperience you loonies will lie to yourselves and make believe missile defense doesn’t work.

  • http://www.peterhsu.org Peter

    Post-Georgia, the Poles wanted permanently stationed U. S. troops in their country as a guarantee that we would fulfill our treaty obligation to act in their defense should Russia invade. Paranoia perhaps, but given their history it’s hard to blame them. They will rightly see this as us selling them down the river.

  • http://www.peterhsu.org Peter

    Sorry, but SM-3 IA is still under development, with deployment optimistically anticipated in 2011; the more capable SM-3 IIA and IIB are expected to be fielded in 2018 and 2020.

    Furthermore, the SM-3 is suitable intercepting short to medium range missiles (i.e., ones that AREN’T capable of reaching the U. S.).

    Anyone who says “considering we have navies all over the globe” has never experienced the vastness of the ocean.

  • truevcu

    The problem isn’t that it doesn’t work; the problem is that even if it does it’s pretty much irrelevant. Iran hasn’t even tested any missiles capable of reaching the US, and even a North Korean missile would be extremely unlikely to reach North America. Even if it did, you’re relying on a system that would trade one small probability for another given that, unless it’s utterly foolproof, would still have a chance of failing, thus adding one more layer of uncertainty to what would already be a horrifically complex situation.

    http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/pavel-podvig/the-false-promise-of-missile-defense

  • http://holner.wordpress.com norockets

    The last launch at the Kodiak Launch Complex was December 5, 2008 (Missile Defense Agency (MDA) Strategic Targets System (STARS), FTG-05).
    I don’t know where you got your information, but since it’s wrong, all of your post is called into question as to its accuracy.
    This “test” was a carefully orchestrated coordination of target and kill vehicle – it took months of preparation to launch both rockets and both sides knew when and where the rockets were to be launched – hardly a credible test.
    http://kodiaklaunchcomplex.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-do-we-define-success.html

  • qwantron

    Author of this article: Joe Klein- Member of the CFR (council on foreign relations) research it!

  • tilliswynette

    For criminy sakes! Whose running the country– Ayatlola Komayni? Another sellout by NObama– he’d rather build trojan horse Mosques filled to the brim with the Sharia Law! By the way, what’s he smoking?

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