Bending the Cost Curve

How one Congressional Budget Office score salvaged Max Baucus’ day and possibly his bill.

When Senate Finance Chairman Mac Baucus finally revealed his long anticipated bill, his Democratic colleagues treated the proposal like the open salvo in barter exchange and Baucus like a used Turkish rug merchant they were sure was out to swindle them. Immediately, counter bids began flying: 400% of the poverty level, 450; a public plan; triggers; less cuts to Medicare Advantage; more help on Medicaid. Progressives hated it, MoveOn eviscerated it; the House was leery. After all that trouble, countless hours of negotiation not a single Republican signed up. Was there no one who liked Max Baucus’ bill?

By his 12:45pm press conference Baucus, in a rumpled grey suit with two broken buttons on his left cuff, was on the defensive. “I think I’ve come up with a good balanced bill that can pass the Senate,” he stammered out five times in 22 minutes.

After he left the podium his bleary-eyed staff took his place to answer reporters’ technical questions. More than an hour into the background briefing an aide walked over to one of the speakers and whispered in his ear. The briefer sprung up in his seat as if he was a string doll and someone had pulled the thread taut. “I’ve just been informed that the CBO has released the score and the chairman’s mark comes in at $774 billion over 10 years,” he declared.

More than 50 blackberrys whipped out simultaneously and a murmur rippled across the room as reporters exchanged surprised whispers: ‘It draws down the deficit nearly $50 billion the first decade!’

‘And 0.5% of GDP in the second decade. Do you know how much that is? That must be nearly $1 trillion.’

‘It covers 94% of the uninsured – minus illegal immigrants – in the first decade.’

The momentum had audibly shifted.

All these months, Baucus has been preaching to reporters that his bill would “bend the cost curve” – not the sexiest topic of what is already one of the driest of policy subjects. “The goal that we have to keep our eye on throughout all of this: how do we lower the rate of increase on health care spending in America?” Baucus told a gaggle of reporters in June, just before he missed his first deadline. “And there are various provisions that we’re going to put in here to help accomplish that, so we don’t just pass a bill and find, ‘My gosh ten or 11 years from now the rate of spending isn’t lowered at all.’ It has to be deficit neutral over 10 years so we have to look at ways to pay for this bill and also bend the cost curve.” It doesn’t get the blood flowing – “You lie! – like illegal immigrants or abortion. And there’s no alluring face to sell it: grandma and her death panels, sick children or stoic doctors and nurses. But in the end it is the most fundamental challenge to the system: a system that everyone has been predicting for decades will collapse under the weight of its own bills and the impetus, according to President Obama, for doing such an ambitious health care bill in such a bad economy.

More than any other part of the bill — covering the 47 million uninsured, the millions more underinsured — bending the cost curve, making the system solvent and self-sustainable for he nation’s children and grandchildren, will go farther in convincing moderate Dems and Republicans to vote for this thing. Asked Wednesday morning – before the CBO report came out – what his biggest problem with the bill was, Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, who heads a group of 17 Democratic moderates, said: “Number one, we’ve got to get the deficit under control and we’ve got to use honest accounting to ensure that it’s actually fully paid for and hopefully gets the deficit down over time and certainly doesn’t make it any worse.”

Standing 20 feet away, Ohio Republican George Voinovich, who is retiring from the Senate next year and flirted briefly with becoming an active negotiator, was echoing a similar sentiment. “The question I’m asking is: where’s all the money coming from? That’s the biggest issue I’ve got with this. How do you pay for this?” Voinovich demanded. “The president said not another dime on the debt. Well, that’s easy to say but to do some of those things that are going to bring the costs down gives a lot of people heartburn.”

This piece also gets conservative Republicans – at least the ones who proclaim themselves the defenders of small government and deficit hawks – the most flummoxed; much in the same way Clinton made them nervous when he tackled welfare reform, once a signature GOP issue. Indeed, the Republican reaction was a bit ironic with senators crying foul at the idea of, gasp, shrinking the size of government. “This partisan proposal cuts Medicare by nearly a half-trillion dollars,” railed Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Echoed Senator John Cornyn, head of the NRSC, “One financing proposal is to cut as much as $500 billion from Medicare. In other words, Democrats… want to accelerate Medicare’s bankruptcy in 2017 by using it to pay for this bill. How is that logical?”

Next week will see the bill put through the ringer of committee amendments followed by another round of amendments on the Senate floor. The final bill may look nothing like this one but, despite all the foot dragging, Baucus has produced something that none of the other four bills could achieve: an offset piece of legislation that actually addresses the greater problem of long term costs. And that gives Baucus the auctioneer’s gavel when the bartering begins in earnest.

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  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. Now please knock down a few shots of brandy and go to sleep; tomorrow may be really busy thanks to Baucus. I disagree with Bayh: Number One is to make sure *everyone* is covered without fear of denied policies, claims, and pre-existing condition crap. #1A is then paying for it. If we have to choose between paying for HC and invading other countries, so be it. Sleep well.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    Thanks, deconstructiva. G’nite. JNS

  • stuartzechman

    Jay Newton-Small:
    .
    I heard that it went a little differently, something like this:
    .
    More than 50 blackberrys whipped out simultaneously and a murmur rippled across the room as reporters exchanged surprised whispers:
    .
    “And 0.5% of GDP in the second decade. Do you know how much that is? That must be nearly $1 trillion.”
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    “Err…Well, yes, but that’s not really enough to make the system sustainable, if the country spend 16.2% of GDP in 2007, and more than that now.”
    .
    “What do you mean? It sure sounds like a lot of money.”
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    “Yes, I know, but that’s exactly the impression they’re trying to create for political reporters who know relatively little about what these numbers mean.
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    For example, why don’ you get on your Blackberry and go to this website, which is the US Dept of Health and Human Services site here:”
    .
    http://tinyurl.com/rcru3c
    .
    “OK, I’m there.”
    .
    “Now, do you see how it says

    Health spending in the United States grew 6.1 percent in 2007, to $2.2 trillion or $7,421 per person.
    .
    health spending share of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) continued to climb, reaching 16.2 percent in 2007, up by 0.2 percentage point from 2006.

    “Uh huh…so does that mean…?”
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    “Right! You got it! That 0.5% of GDP in the second decade is peanuts! The nearly $1 trillion in savings these jokers are talking about is, like, half of what the country spent on health care in 2007 alone.”
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    “Oh! So that’s not really something to cheer about, is it. Holy God…did that say $7,421 per person?”
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    “Exactly.”
    .
    “Say…what do other countries pay for health care as a percentage of their GDP? We can’t be the only ones paying those kind of bucks, can we?”
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    “Well…Actually, we are. Why don’t you get on your Blackberry again, and look up the OECD numbers for health care spending in 2007 here”
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    http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/4/38980557.pdf
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    ‘Sure. Hey! Look here…it says”

    Total health spending accounted for 8.4% of GDP in the United Kingdom in 2007, compared with an average of 8.9% across OECD countries. The United States is, by far, the country that spends the most on health as a share of its economy, with 16% of its GDP allocated to health in 2007. France and Switzerland
    followed with 11.0% and 10.8% of their GDP spent on health, respectively. Several EU countries –
    Germany, Belgium and Austria – and Canada also devote more than 10% of their GDP to health.

    “Wow. So, basically the average percent of GDP in the developed world is about half of what we spend on health care?”
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    “You’ve got it. That’s why this whole thing stinks to high heaven. Just think, they’re talking about these ‘savings’ as if they’re really going to make a dent in the problem of the cost of health care here.”
    .
    “Is that why they keep using that funny buzz-word ‘The Cost Curve’?”
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    “Yeah, it’s some kind of sales pitch for the new reporters, you know the ones who don’t know yet that they’re supposed to be looking up what these numbers mean.”
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    “Right, I guess they’d have to be real newcomers to think about this bill in terms of bending the curve in two whole decades, as in making the cost go up a little less sharply, instead of concrete terms like, say, lowering the cost from 16% of GDP to 10% of GDP in two decades.”
    .
    “Yep, ‘Bending the Curve’ is like easing off of the accelerator a little bit as you’re heading into a tree, instead of jamming on the brakes! Who they expect to buy that buzz-wordy crap amongst all of us savvy reporters, is beyond me.”
    .
    “I know…Ha ha ha ha ha…ha ha ha…ha ha…”
    .
    “Ha ha ha..heh heh heh…”
    .
    “Well, anyway, I’m glad I talked to you. And it’s great to be able to look all of these important facts directly from data sources on the internet, so that I can include those for my magazine’s readers, so that they understand what it means when government officials put out statements.”
    .
    “Oh, I agree. You know, some of these…well, not so bright reporters don’t really enjoy discussing or even knowing about these sorts of important details. They listen to something like the CBO saying 0.5% of GDP in the second decade, and they don’t even bother to analyze it. They just start typing away about who’s more likely to vote for it, or who’s should like what’s in it –you know, secondary things like that.”
    .
    “What a waste of paper.”
    .
    “I know, I know…anyway, big news to get out, I can see the headline now: Baucus Plan Continues Big US Health Care Payout, but maybe my editor will jazz that up a bit more.”
    .
    “See ya…and thanks again!”

    .
    Didn’t reporters at the press conference say things like that, Jay Newton-Small?
    .
    It didn’t happen like that?

  • wxsnoozle1

    “rumpled” in paragraph 2 (I know it’s late!).

  • dollared

    @stuartzechman,

    Brilliant post, right on the money and so well written. So what’s the solution?

    I know I am 1) strong public option with Medicare bargaining power (not rates but power) beginning ASAP until 2) we can separate healthcare from employment 5-7 years down the road.

    Cutting insurance overhead in half in ten years – by people electing the public plan or by insurance companies adjusting the the new reality- cuts 8-10% in total costs. Cutting Pharma payouts by 30% (we pay DOUBLE european drug payments, a shameless direct subsidy to the wealthy pharma companies) cuts another 5% in total costs.

    Adding more doctors and lowering specialist compensation probably saves 2-3%.

    Overall in ten years we get 15-20%% relative reduction in total expenditures. We stay at #1 in the world, but only spending 13% of GDP, instead of 16.2%, and we’ve removed that burden from employers. Total employment and GDP goes up. Best of all, a majority of physicians and Americans support these changes.

    And no death panels, rationing, or prohibitions on services. (that can come next – after much study – I hope)

    So – you clearly see the problem. What would you do?

  • Cliff

    Baucus has produced something that none of the other four bills could achieve: an offset piece of legislation that actually addresses the greater problem of long term costs.
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    Bullsh*t.

  • jcapan

    You know, the solution to what ails America is surely more corporate influence. I mean, right!? Digby talking up the Colbert Report from Tuesday:

    “[He] spent two full segments of his show focusing on the Citizens United Supreme Court case, which could – and probably will – lead to deregulating the entire campaign finance process, allowing corporations to give unlimited money to any candidate of their choosing.

    These are subjects you just never hear about in the American media, precisely because the American media is owned by giant multinational corporations, who benefit from the corporate personhood rule and would stand to benefit more from deregulating elections so they could use their “speech” to buy candidates and fund their own with unlimited resources. And despite being on a Viacom-owned network, Colbert says, skewering the immorality and psychopathology of the corporation, ‘Corporations are legally people… they do everything people do, except breathe, die, and go to jail for dumping 1.3 million pounds of PCBs into the Hudson River.’”

    I mean, just when you thought things were as f@cked as they could possibly get…

  • jcapan

    OK, I don’t do this often, but excellent move by the Obama admin:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125314575889817971.html#mod=WSJ_hps_LEADNewsCollection

  • greenlyfe

    From what I’m reading, this was a crap bill for the insurance industry that will be a tax on the middle class much as the AMT has become. It’d be good if you’d talk to some reformers about the actual EFFECTS of the bill rather than this bending the cost curve bs.

    Today, Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) released the Chairman’s mark of his health care reform bill along with a CBO report on the legislation. I’ve found seven interesting and important issues in the report.

    1. It looked like Baucus purposely left himself a small possible giveaway to liberals. His bill in fact saves $49 billion, which could be used to increase subsidies by that amount while still keeping it budget neutral. A little “look, liberals won something”:

    According to CBO and JCT’s assessment, enacting the Chairman’s proposal would result in a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $49 billion over the 2010–2019 period

    2. It appears that the CBO agrees with almost every health care reform expert and also concluded that Conrad’s small state-based co-ops are worthless.

    The proposed co-ops had very little effect on the estimates of total enrollment in the exchanges or federal costs because, as they are described in the specifications, they seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country or to noticeably affect federal subsidy payments.

    3. Baucus made sure adding a robust public option would not make his bill much cheaper. This is very technical, but please follow. His plan would base tax credits on the “reference plan,” which is the second lowest-cost plan at the “silver” level. The House and HELP bills uses a “reference premium” which is the average of the three lowest-cost plans in an area at a level. Adding a robust public option brings down the average and the cost of the tax credits. Adding a robust public option would be the cheapest plan and therefore would probably not substantially change the “reference plan”, since it is the second lowest-cost plan. This means adding a robust public option to this bill would not score as saving as much money and make it even harder to add one using reconciliation in the future. Very clever, Senator Baucus:

    The amount of the tax credits for exchange plans in each area of the country would be tied to the premium of the second-lowest-cost plan in the “silver” tier (the “reference plan”), which would have an actuarial value of 70 percent.

    4. The individual mandate will be costly to people and hit a lot of Americans, raising $20 billion.

    Penalty payments by uninsured individuals, which would amount to $20 billion.

    5. It would only reduce the number of uninsured by 29 million. That leaves about 17 million Americans/legal residents uninsured (and around 8 million illegal immigrants uninsured). That means 37% of currently uninsured Americans/legal residents will still be uninsured. Baucus’s bill will only reduce the number of uninsured Americans/legal residents by 63%. Lots of money, no universal coverage, and almost half the uninsured still uninsured.

    By 2019, CBO and JCT estimate, the number of nonelderly people who are uninsured would be reduced by about 29 million, leaving about 25 million nonelderly residents uninsured (about one-third of whom would be unauthorized immigrants). Under the proposal, the share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance coverage would rise from about 83 percent currently to about 94 percent.

    6. The individual mandate does not apply to Native Americans. Not surprisingly the three Democrats which are part of the “gang of six” come from states (Montana, North Dakota, New Mexico) with disproportionately large Native American populations.

    Exemptions from the mandate would also be granted to Native Americans

    7. The excise tax on high-end insurance plans is indexed to overall inflation, so over time the tax will hit more and more employer-provided insurance plans.

    Except as described below, the threshold would be set (beginning in 2013) at $8,000 for single policies and $21,000 for family policies. After 2013, those amounts would be indexed to overall inflation.

    Please check out: http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/

    And also emptywheel at Firedoglake who has been going through the bill and found a lot of stuff that isn’t being covered in the MSM: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/

    This was a bill for the insurance industry to keep their profits, not for the people who are screwed. Here’s a post about MA and the issues they face having a universal coverage bill w/no public option: http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8209

    Educate yourself people, because the reporters aren’t and the insurance industry is spending a million and a half a day to screw us all and get billions in subsides and force Americans into the insurance market.

    This is a racket, pure and simple. Max Baucus should be ashamed of himself. Read the propsal he put out in November Jay and then yesterday’s mark; and then find out what happened. THAT’S the real story.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    If the Republicans cared about cost control they would have paid for Bush’s health initiatives, and his war in Iraq. If Baucus cared about cost control, he would have proposed a single payer system, the proven low cost, universal system.

  • plukasiak

    Is JNS getting kickbacks from the insurance parasites?
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    No one who has bothered to look into the health care crisis in this country supports the Baucus bill because it achieves its “savings” by requiring people to purchase junk insurance from parasites. The baucus bill institutionalizes the kinds of policies that lead to bankruptcies — the high deductible/high co-pay policies that are disasterous when a family faces a serious accident or illness.
    _
    and I’m with Stuart – “bending the cost curve” by 0.5% of GDP is absolutely ridiculous when heath care costs are projected to rise from 16.3% of GDP in 2007 to 37% of GDP in 2050. For JNS to promote this atrocity is a sign of either gross incompetence, or gross corruption — or both.

  • rustyreturns

    stuart,
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    I know you have been really on the “cost” of healthcare and how much we are spending on average versus other OECD countries.
    .

    “Total health spending accounted for 8.4% of GDP in the United Kingdom in 2007, compared with an average of 8.9% across OECD countries. The United States is, by far, the country that spends the most on health as a share of its economy, with 16% of its GDP allocated to health in 2007. France and Switzerland
    followed with 11.0% and 10.8% of their GDP spent on health, respectively. Several EU countries –
    Germany, Belgium and Austria – and Canada also devote more than 10% of their GDP to health.”

    .
    I am just curious, why are the “costs” so much more here, versus in the other countries? It is great to point out that we ARE paying more, but why?
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    What steps have the other countries taken to keep healthcare costs under control?
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    Where did they find the savings? I find it difficult to believe that we are paying 100% more for our healthcare here versus let’s say Japan.
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    Do they control prices at the hospital / doctor level, meaning are there price controls on how much can be charged?
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    Do they simply put controls on how much insurance companies can charge consumers for insurance?
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    Are there big government subsidies paid towards healthcare, either towards insurance premiums? Are there government subsidies back to hospitals? doctors?
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    How do they create the savings?

  • Matt

    Unlike Republicans still worried about “death panels” and government “takeovers” the top worry for regular Americans was the cost of reform and its impact on the deficit. The new CBO report is a major tool for the president in selling this to the public and fighting back against an increasingly disorganized GOP resistance.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’m still under the impression that Progressives are severely overestimating the proportion of savings that can be squeezed out of Insurance companies and ignoring the amount that will inevitably have to come from Doctors, Hospitals and Laboratories.
    .
    Foreign countries pay less for Medical care because they pay less for Doctors and Hospitals. United Healthcare’s skimming doesn’t represent enough money to fix it.
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    Stop obsessing and DO NOT scuttle reform that doesn’t go ‘far enough’
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    http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insurers-make-lousy-villains.html

  • gysgt213

    greenlyfe-Thanks for posting those links. I was thinking of doing it.
    .
    Here is another link concerning selling health insurance across state lines and the cons of doing so.
    .
    Allowing insurers to sell insurance across state lines would not work as advertised. While it may help the young and healthy, it will have a devastating impact on the insurance market for everyone else (and none of us will be young and healthy forever).
    .
    •premiums would rise for many people,
    •benefits would be less-generous,
    •more Americans would likely become uninsured over time.
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    This policy approach fails to provide the incentives necessary to transition insurers to a 21st Century business model that values care coordination and high value care over underwriting and marketing. Without substantial additional reforms, the proposal to sell insurance across state lines will not work for most Americans.
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    http://www.newamerica.net/files/Policy%20Paper%20Across%20State%20Lines%20Explained.pdf

  • messenia

    I don’t understand this post at all. I haven’t seen anything in the Baucus documents would “bend the cost curve”. What I see is cost shifting:

    The federal government delivers a captive market to the for-profit insurance industry and in exchange, employer premiums are slightly reduced. There is no there that will change the level of spending with respect to GDP.

    Drawing down the deficit isn’t the issue, it’s net spending on healthcare that is bankrupting us.

  • plukasiak

    When the amount of money spent by insurance companies on things other than actual health care delivery is anywhere between 15-30%, and single payer systems spend 97% of their budgets on delivering health care, going after the insurance companies first makes perfect sense from a financial perspective.
    _
    Unlike the drug companies and for-profit care providers, insurance companies don’t provide any essential service — they are simply middlemen, skimming hundreds of billions of dollars off the top of the trillion dollar plus health care industry.
    _
    We’ll always need drug manufacturers and health care providers, but we could do quite nicely without insurance companies.

  • stuartzechman

    Rustydog:

    why are the “costs” so much more here, versus in the other countries? It is great to point out that we ARE paying more, but why?

    That’s a supremely important question, one whose absence seems to define our modern press corps.
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    To be honest, I don’t know. I suspect, but I don’t know.
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    The left generally seems to blame these costs on “administrative overhead”, but I don’t believe that accounts for the majority of the inflation. One of the problems with that theory is that Medicare, which is so much less expensive to administer, is going broke at a scary rate due to health care pricing, as indicated by every Social Security Trustees Report I’ve seen in the past ten years.
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    My preliminary research indicates that it seems to be a phenomenon related to Medicare and Medicaid spending. The CBO wrote a paper in 1996 here http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4750&type=0 called “HOW THE MEDICAID REBATE ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AFFECTS PRICING IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY”, which points to where the problem may be.

    HOW THE MEDICAID REBATE PROGRAM WORKS
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    Medicaid provides health care coverage primarily to low-income families with dependent children and low-income aged or disabled individuals. The federal government and the states share funding for the program. The federal share of Medicaid expenditures averages about 57 percent. The states administer the program under broad federal guidelines that allow each state to determine, within established limits, exactly who is covered, the extent of services offered, and the method of reimbursing providers. All states offer outpatient prescription drug coverage to most of their Medicaid beneficiaries, though they are not required to do so.
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    Pharmaceutical manufacturers must sign a rebate agreement with the Secretary of Health and Human Services in order for Medicaid to cover their products. If a manufacturer decides not to enter into a rebate agreement, then states do not receive federal Medicaid reimbursements for purchases of that company’s drugs.
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    The manufacturer directly pays the Medicaid rebate on outpatient prescription drugs to each state Medicaid agency. All forms of the Medicaid rebate are based on the average manufacturer price (AMP) paid by wholesalers, inclusive of all discounts and price reductions “for drugs distributed to the retail pharmacy class of trade.” The basic rebate ensures that Medicaid pays manufacturers no more–and sometimes less–than any private purchaser in the United States for outpatient prescription drugs.

    All of that to say, essentially, that the floor seems to be set on drug prices for the entire US market by these negotiations between the Feds, state government and drug manufacturers.
    .
    The CBO goes on to make that somewhat more clear:

    HOW THE MEDICAID REBATE AFFECTS PRICING
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    The Medicaid rebate is based on a complex pricing structure in which firms practice price discrimination by charging different prices to different types of purchasers. Price discrimination occurs in markets in which purchasers are broken into groups that vary in their sensitivity to price and suppliers have some degree of market power. Under some circumstances, price discrimination can increase both profits and total benefits to consumers. In the pharmaceutical industry, the retail sector often pays higher prices than some large institutional purchasers.
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    The Medicaid Rebate and the Retail Sector
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    The Medicaid rebate not only affects the lowest prices charged by the manufacturer for a drug, but it could also affect the price charged to wholesalers for the retail class of trade–namely, the average manufacturer price. The minimum rebate, which is based on the AMP, would by itself create an incentive for manufacturers to raise their prices to wholesalers. However, the additional rebate does exactly the opposite–it reduces revenues on Medicaid sales when a firm raises the AMP faster than the inflation rate. The basic rebate when combined with the additional rebate does not create an incentive for firms to increase their AMP in real terms (that is, faster than the inflation rate as measured by the consumer price index for all urban consumers).
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    However, new drugs may be launched at a slightly higher price because of the Medicaid rebate. The larger Medicaid’s anticipated share in total sales of a drug, the more important that effect is. The additional rebate is based on the increase in a drug’s AMP since its first quarter on the market. Consequently, the additional rebate penalizes a pricing strategy that consists of a low introductory price followed by increases over time as the chug becomes better known. Both the minimum rebate and the additional rebate create an incentive to charge a slightly higher launch price. All things being equal, that effect implies that a drug with a significant market share anticipated for Medicaid may be launched at a slightly higher price because of the Medicaid rebate program.

    You got that?
    .
    The point seems to be that the crazily complex government intervention in the drug marketplace on behalf of Medicaid is responsible for pricing in the entire private retail market, and can be gamed at will by the manufacturers to suit their revenue needs.
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    A somewhat comparable analogy seems to be the Federal Reserve’s effect on the price of money (interest rates). When the Fed, the supreme banking institution raises or lowers its rates, the huge private institutions do the same, and then the interest rate flows downward into every corner of the financial and securities markets from there.
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    It seems as if the same phenomenon is happening with Medicaid and Medicare, as in the government is actually setting the price of health care in the entire market. It’s much, much more complex than this, but that’s basically the reason for our strangely high health care prices –and therefore our health insurance prices.
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    I know that I am inferring a lot from this sort of thing, but I must say that it seems designed that way, as if the whole idea is to prevent a straight line from being drawn from these programs to what the price of anything is at any given time. I am also finding more and more information that seems to indicate that my inferences, while incomplete, are pointed in the right direction.
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    It also seems that these negotiations are opportunities for rank corruption to take place out of the public eye, especially if the press corps doesn’t have the time, talent or patience to unwind the mess.
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    The bottom line of my theory is that, ever since the introduction of Medicare and Medicaid (two different dates, I know), the US government in partnership with state governments and industry is actually doing exactly what the Japanese do, i.e. setting prices for the whole private market, but they’re doing it in a way that allows complete corruption, irresponsibility, un-accountability and wild inflation to take place. The Japanese seem to be really up-front about the fact that they’re doing soviet-style price controls on health care, and so they actually set the prices to what the government can (mostly) afford.
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    Thanks for reading and considering this, Rustydog.

  • stuartzechman

    dollared:

    What would you do?

    The real answer is “I don’t know”.
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    I’m just a little ol’ IT guy who thinks and writes about these things occasionally in his spare time.
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    But, if I were tasked with solving the problem, the first thing that I would do is expose how health care markets set pricing, and act to drastically reduce the amount of complexity in terms of the government’s interaction with it. There has to be a straight line between hospital stays, medical procedures, laboratory test & drugs and prices, otherwise we can’t even see how much we’re paying to whom. This system also penalizes transparency, since, if the government can draw that straight line, it will sometimes act to negotiate lower costs (“sometimes” being when whatever health care reform happens, i.e. S-Chip, Part D, now, etc, happens to be implemented).
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    Basically I would start to do the opposite of what Congress currently is doing.

  • rustyreturns

    This is what I found in my search, stuart. But, thank you for your reply and thoughts/opinion.
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    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0795/is_n3_v14/ai_14747441/
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    This is what I believe is the real truth behind the differences between the US and other OECD Countries. This is a study which was completed by OECD to discover why healthcare costs are lower in other OECD countries versus the US.
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    We advanced the tentative hypothesis, although supported by indirect evidence no formal
    proof has been developed and this may restrict the strength of the conclusions, that the price-elasticity of the demand for private health care services would be higher in those countries where universal public health coverage would be available, as the public supply would be regarded by the consumers as an alternative source of a close substitutive to be paid for through a waiting list instead of direct fees, which would set a «threshold» price above which they would turn from private to public supply.

    In other words, the public alternative would increase the price elasticity of demand and thus reduce the control of prices by the suppliers. Under these conditions, the USA, as the only country in the sample with a low rate of public health care coverage (only 45 %) would not enjoy the advantages of such a mechanism of price discipline and, per Lerner’s formula, would be exposed to a higher degree of market control by the suppliers.

    Global budgets tend to be prospectively set caps on spending for some portion of the health care industry. Most notably hospital bed-rate charges and Physician compensation. The other “cap” on costs is directed at drug costs. Drug manufacturers are only allowed a pre-determined profit on drugs. Thereby, new drugs usually do not come from OECD countries with the exception of the US, which does not inhibit prices at all. The other OECD countries simply use our technology, and create their own drugs based on the research done here in the US.
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    So we have four areas of cost containment. 1. Hospital charges, 2. Physician charges, 3. Drug costs. and 4. Healthcare worker including Physicians wages.
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    The other area to explore is the “private” insurers in the OECD countries. The members of the OECD only report on their “publicly” funded programs. No statistics are kept regarding “private” pay insured countries with the exception of Japan, which has a system based on private insurers. Japan does use caps on prices for healthcare, including drugs.
    Costs are simply controlled. The payback to the insurance companies or the government in the case of those countries who have just a single payer government program is the fact that healthcare is mandated. Everyone must be part of it by law.

    The problem which is now cropping up is the fact our constitution clearly states that this type of “mandate” is unconstitutional. Based I believe on Article 10 in the bill of rights. The Federal Government cannot “mandate” healthcare simply because it is a State by State controlled institution.
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    This is another summary of the OECD “Global Budgets” of OECD countries.
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    Some of the other causes of issues for the inefficient health care system are: malpractice suits, bureaucracy, monopoly pricing power of drug companies, lack of transparency of prices for various items such as medical procedures, surgeries, etc. preventing comparison shopping by patients, greedy doctors, paperwork hell, defensive treatments performed by doctors, inadequate medical facilities, growing number of retiring baby-boomers, increasing population, seeking medical care for unnecessary situations,etc.

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    http://seekingalpha.com/article/146992-comparing-u-s-healthcare-spending-with-other-oecd-countries
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    This from another source:
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    “Three types of policies have helped: first, controls on prices, wages, and inputs to health care services, such as numbers of hospital beds and the size of the health care work force; second, caps on health spending, across the board and by service sector; and third, shifting costs to the private sector, particularly to the patients who use health care services through cost-sharing arrangements.;

    Most countries regulate health-sector prices and service (RATIONING) volumes in one way or another. Government regulators may impose wage controls, as is common in systems where most of the health care workers are public-sector employees, like the Nordic countries, Greece, Italy, and Portugal. In other systems, prices for medical services, supplies and institutional care are usually set administratively, or with government oversight, when prices are agreed between health care purchasers and providers. Most countries take measures to influence the system’s capacity to furnish services by controlling medical school admissions and the provision of equipment for high-tech care, and so on.

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    http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/1054/Health_care:_A_quest_for_better_value_.html
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    So in my opinion in a nutshell, it is a combination of price controls with healthcare rationing of care.

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