Baucus Health Plan Takes Harder Line On Illegal Immigration

As expected, the plan released Wednesday morning by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus takes a harder line on illegal immigration than the Democratic House bill in two ways.

The first big difference comes in the new citizenship verification requirements, which were not specified in the House bill. The eligibility check under the Baucus plan is described this way:

Name, social security number, and date of birth will be verified with Social Security Administration (SSA) data. For individuals claiming to be U.S. citizens, if the claim of citizenship is consistent with SSA data then the claim will be considered substantiated. For individuals who do not claim to be U.S. citizens but claim to be lawfully present in the United States, if the claim of lawful presence is consistent with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) data then the claim will be considered substantiated. Individuals whose claims of citizenship or lawful status cannot be verified with federal data must be allowed substantial opportunity to provide documentation or correct federal data related to their case that supports their contention.

The second big difference is that under the Baucus plan, all people seeking to enter the health care exchanges–which are essentially stores to purchase insurance–must prove their citizenship status. The House bill had barred illegal immigrants from getting subsidies in the exchanges, but not from entering the health exchange with their own money. Here is the Baucus language:

Legal U.S. residents will be able to obtain insurance through the state exchanges. Parents who are in the country illegally will not be able to buy personal insurance coverage through the state exchange but will be able to buy insurance for their U.S. citizen or lawfully present children.

This is consistent with a position announced last week by the White House, in the wake of Obama being accused of lying in a speech to a joint session of Congress. [UPDATE: In the comments below, some have attacked Baucus for ceding to the critique of Joe Wilson. One note in that regard: On Thursday, before Baucus had commented on this, the White House announced that it favored blocking illegal immigrants' access to the exchange. In other words, it's not clear that Baucus led this charge.] As I pointed out before, it is unlikely that large numbers of illegal immigrants would seek out this option. In the current system, many illegal immigrants get health insurance through their employers, a practice that would not change under health reform. Many others lack insurance, and depend heavily on emergency room visits, the costs of which are picked up by hospitals, with the help of government Medicaid funding.

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  • Art Pepper

    This is stupid beyond belief and yet not even the stupidest thing about the Baucus plan.

  • stuartzechman

    I guess that –at least according to Max Baucus– Joe Wilson was correct about Obama lying, then.
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    Good to know.
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    We have such a crew of superstar Democrats in the Senate.

  • lupercal5

    so wait. let me get this straight. as soon as the bill gets out, you went ahead straight to this as the most important thing to report on?

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    Let’s be fair to MS. He didn’t say “most important.” He said “first big difference” and “second big difference.” He chose to react on the spot to the first items he encountered that he found significant. It takes a while to read a 220-page summary. I expect him to post about other important matters as he encounters them.
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  • gysgt213

    Instead of immigration enforcement here is what Senator Baucus should be concerned with.
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    An average family health insurance policy now costs more than some compact cars, and four in 10 companies will likely pass more of that expense on to workers, according to a closely watched survey of businesses released Tuesday.
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    The average cost of a family policy offered by employers was $13,375 this year, up 5% from 2008, the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust survey found. By comparison, wages rose 3% over that period, the study said.
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    The annual survey of more than 2,000 companies also found that 40% of small-business employees enrolled in individual health plans pay annual deductibles of $1,000 or more. That’s almost twice the number who paid that much in 2007.
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    Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.
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    While illegal immigration is a problem and burden for several reasons. Those reasons that should rightly be addressed in an “immigration bill.”
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    Worrying about immigration enforcement rules in a health care bill that will do nothing to curb illegal immigration, nor do nothing to stop illegal aliens from just showing up at an emergency room for treatment is acting stupidly and completely insane.
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    The only thing that will come out of this is more cost for Americans and undue hardship on Americans and have no effect of people here illegally.
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    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2009-09-15-insurance-costs_N.htm

  • mramericafirst

    It would seem that NO ONE has read this farcial bill, as no one seems to know just what is in it!
    I HAVE read HR3200 and it’s evolutions, and it DOES afford illegals clear access to free care at US taxpayer’s expense.
    The Baucus amendment is better in that it does require proper authentication of those who avail themselves of it.
    HOWEVER, why does it bother covering the (citizen) children of illegals? Should they not receive their care in the country from which their parents derive?
    Better options would be to give the (citizen) children of these illegals coverage AFTER deporting the illegal parents, or, preferably, deferring any coverage until the parents choose to re-enter the US legally.
    And the latter choice does NOT include ANYONE

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    mramericafirst:

    I HAVE read HR3200 and it’s evolutions, and it DOES afford illegals clear access to free care at US taxpayer’s expense.

    I have gone through the bill (HR 3200) section by tedious section ( here’s commentary at Swampland in which I examine language related to the public option, for example
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/09/the-public-option-in-tonights-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-94329
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    ) , and concluded that your characterization is false.
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    Please provide links and quoted language from the bill itself that support your assertions.
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    If your assertions are based upon the lack of language specifying some sort of new citizenship-verification health care bureaucracy, please see my commentary here:
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/14/the-white-house-tacks-right-on-illegal-immigrants-in-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-95720
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    for an explanation as to why such language would constitute a poison pill in a health care reform bill intended to make it less paper-work intensive for Americans to get insurance.

  • plukasiak

    I HAVE read HR3200 and it’s evolutions, and it DOES afford illegals clear access to free care at US taxpayer’s expense.
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    please provide citations for the specific relevant provisions of HR 3200 — or go back under the rock you crawled out from, racist scum.

  • mramericafirst

    NO ONE should be given coverage, adult or child, unless the persons covered have obtained full citizenship rights via fully legal processes. (And permanently deporting the parents of anchor babies should be a requirement for their children obtaining coverage should this portion remain as is in the bill.)

    Preferable wording would PERMANENTLY bar any present, or future health care to those and their offspring, who were, are now, or ever, enter this country illegally.
    Query this: Just WHY are illegals able to access care in this country in the first place? And spare me the “compassion” dung that the late (but NOT great) Sen. Kennedy foisted upon us to our great financial burden.) Why DID (and DO) Democrats consistently reward illegal acts?

    NO ONE should EVER be given access if they derive their “legal” status via any form of “Amnesty” program.

    Legislating the above would most likely recoup enough taxpayer money to provide FREE health care coverage for all (legal) citizens who currently are un/under insured. (You can verify this through current government records that detail the BILLIONS currently paying for health care provided to ILLEGAL aliens.)

    Furthermore, NO elected official should be permitted to vote on any HealthCare bill (or for that matter ANY bill) untill they have personally read and can verify that they understand EVERY word in the bill. Having read HR3200 and all of it’s evolutions, I can tell you that this is one UGLY piece of legislation. It WILL bankrupt this country if even 50% of it’s present form passes.

    Oh, and the Congressman was right. The President DID lie.

  • mramericafirst

    I would, but you most likely couldn’t read it anyway!

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  • Art Pepper

    Query this: Just WHY are illegals able to access care in this country in the first place?
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    Yes, ERs should demand proof of citizenship. If you don’t have the original copy of your birth certificate on you when they wheel you in, you can FOAD.

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    that wasn’t added until AFTER Joe Wilson correctly commented that Obama lied

    This is true.
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    It would seem to me that you are one rather judgemental person to make a comment of this nature. If you would educate yourself on FACTS instead of projecting yourself on EMOTIONS than you might be able to make credible statements.
    I, for one, am NOT a “Christian conservative, but I do think we do NOT have to have our economy turned upside down because a small group without insurance. THERE ARE ALREADY PROVISIONS IN LAW PROVIDING CARE FOR THE NEEDY!
    In point of fact, that is one of the major reasons that health insurance IS expensive. Those of us who are paying for insurance are paying a premium for those who don’t. Twice. Through our own insurance and through taxes. Should you care to explore that statement, once again I say, IF YOU WANT THE FACTS, GO TO THE GOVERNMENT’S OWN RECORDS AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF! I know I did.
    And should you not, then I suggest you carefully read the following quote from a rather astute Economist who is highly regarded. Even by those in office.

    “One of the secrets of being a glib talker is not getting hung up over whether what you are saying is true, and instead giving your full attention to what is required by the audience and the circumstances of the moment, without letting facts get in your way and cramp your style. Obama has mastered that art. Con men understand that their job is not to use facts to convince skeptics but to use words to help the gullible to believe what they want to believe. No message has been more welcomed by the gullible, in countries around the world, than the promise of something for nothing. That is the core of Barack Obama’s medical care plan.” –economist Thomas Sowell

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