Gosh Darn that Joe Wilson

The House of Representatives today took an hour to condemn rep. Joe Wilson for yelling “You lie!” at President Barack Obama during his address of the Joint Session last week on health care reform. Wilson’s apology was accepted by Obama’s chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel but he refused to apologize a second time to his House colleagues for his rudeness.

Whereas the conduct of the Representative from South Carolina was a breech of decorum and degraded the proceedings of the joint session, to the discredit of the House: Now, therefore, let it be resolved that the House disapproves of the behavior if the Representative from South Carolina, Mr. Wilson, during the joint session of Congress held on Sept, 9, 2009.

The vote was 240 to 179 with 12 Dems voting nay and five voting present. Seven Republicans crossed the aisle to vote against Wilson. Although the GOP trotted out more than half a dozen members to declare their support for Wilson – though, really, this has already proven to be a fundraising boon for the guy and he’s probably delighted – only Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and No. 3 House Democrat Jim Clyburn spoke for the Democrats. Clyburn’s district borders that of Wilson, who was previously best known for championing the confederate flag flying atop the South Carolina capitol. The two have a long history of animosity. Clyburn hinted to Maureen Dowd (though several members of the Congressional Black Caucus were more blunt in their accusations) that Wilson was racially motivated, telling her, “A lot of these outbursts have to do with delegitimizing him as a president.”

The vote nearly didn’t happen as even Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed doubt at the point of such a resolution. “As far as I’m concerned, the episode was unfortunate. Mr. Wilson has apologized. It’s time for us to talk about health care and not Mr. Wilson,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly press conference last Thursday.

Likewise the White House kept the resolution at arm’s length. “Congressman Wilson called the White House to apologize,” deputy White House spokesman Bill Burton told reporters on Air Force One en route to the president’s fundraiser for Senator Arlen Specter in Philadelphia. “The President accepted his apology. And this is something that the House is doing.”

Republicans, for once, seemed to agree with Pelosi. “I think this is a sad day for the House of Representatives aimed at diverting our attention from the real issue that people want to talk about and that’s about health care,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner.

And, of course, they didn’t want to miss out on an opportunity to slam the President’s record. “Hooziers today were shocked to hear Eli Lilly announcing 5,500 lay offs,” said Rep. Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican. “More than two million jobs have been lost since the so-called stimulus bill has been passed and yet here we are taking time in the House to demand an apology for a man who has already apologized.”

Clyburn railed back that if the rules are not respected, nothing gets done. “Silence gives consent,” he said in his closing remarks. “We do not give silence on this side because we do not consent to Mr. Wilson’s conduct.” Of course, Wilson could’ve made the same argument for his outburst.

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  • rustyreturns

    He LIED and he is an A$$HOLE.
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    There I said it!! Put that in your far left liberal extremist pipe and smoke it!!

  • rustyreturns

    “Silence gives consent,” he said in his closing remarks. “We do not give silence on this side because we do not consent to …. We the People do not consent to the corruption, lies, and the economic destruction of our great Nation. The Progressives who have invaded our House of Representatives. It is time to VOTE them out of office, each and everyone of them”.

  • Ffred

    Bush was far worse. Does that mean we who challenged him really were red-blooded patriotic citizens and not filthy traitors who should move to France?

  • deconstructiva

    Jay, thanks for the update but please watch that potty mouth in the headline. Now if one of those Congress critters shouts “You lie!” to HC insurance lobbyists and gets starlet treatment by Maureen Dowd, will we have HC reforms passed just as quickly?

  • gysgt213

    Hopefully, this will die the death it deserves now.

  • rustyreturns

    “WASHINGTON — Under fire on multiple fronts, the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now suffered a direct hit Monday with the Senate voting 83 to 7 to block the group from receiving any financing from the Transportation, Housing and Urban Development appropriations bill.”

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    “The seven senators voting “no” were Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Roland Burris of Illinois, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Robert Casey of Pennsylvania, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Independent Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

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    http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/washington/index.ssf?/base/news-3/125299204191370.xml&coll=1
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    WHEN, when do we get to have a story on ACORN’s fall from Obama’s side? ACORN who he said would be part of his Administrations “advisory” group. ACORN who will be with him advocating for healthcare. ACORN who he will use to take the next census. ACORN who he will use to start the next Civillian Security Force.
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    ACORN who Obama himself worked with as a program teacher. Obama who taught these people how to be COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!!
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    WHEN TIME. WHEN DO YOU PUBLISH THE TRUTH!!!
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  • dfh

  • square1

    Anyone who thinks that Obama isn’t ideologically in sync with Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, and Black Nationalists has not been paying attention.
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    Oops. That should read “Robert Wolf, UBS, and Wall Street Bankers.”

  • shepherdwong

    John Cole: “I guess if you can get impeached for a blow job, a toothless resolution for breaking House rules seems about right.”

  • Friar Tuck

    First sensible comment I’ve seen on this.
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    I’ve just about broken the habit of commenting here and rarely feel moved to check in any more, either. No point in driving up the clicks for what has, sadly, become an unrewarding venue, IMO.

  • destor23

    “Of course, Wilson could’ve made the same argument for his outburst.”

    Sure, he can give whatever excuse he wants. But the video of him at Talking Points Memo shows him panicking and equivocating in front of the press.

  • conversets

    @rustybutt Do you really need to be so harsh on Wilson?

  • conversets

    How’d that work out for you the last couple of times?

  • shepherdwong

    Understand your feelings, FT. OTOH, I’ve seen signs of real “balance” (i.e., occasional, rare flashes of the liberal POV and serious criticism of “conservatives”) on this blog in recent months. It would be nice to believe that we might be helping them achieve more than just hits.

  • conversets

    Why don’t you lobby congress to cut off federal funds for the defense contractor who hires whores for his “executive party”, or disallow federal mortgages for the suburban realtor who steers African-American families to certain neighborhoods, or pull the license of the CPA who helps millionaires cheat on their income tax?

    Just want to go after the little guy, hunh? Too fricking afraid to tackle the big fish?

    Thought so.

  • jcapan

    FT, you’ve been missed, but I understand your frustration. Few are those who’ve not at least threatened to bugger off.
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    I can actually take the palaver with the rightists. Easy enough to skim right past the usual suspects (and their enablers).
    .
    What’s harder to stomach is the general caliber of the posts. Today, among the 10 (more = less), we have the Joe Wilson b-s above, we’ve seen AS breathlessly share a Bush quote, Joe’s ego-rememberance about his Rolling Stone days (i.e. “Look, I wasn’t always such a sellout b!tch”), coupled with his fav pastime, debating his bosom chums at the Commentary. And, as much as we long to forget, MS’not one but TWO posts about how much of a jackass he is. I mean, that was his pt. right? Really, though, “it is harmless fun.”
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    So, when those of not interested in being trained poodles, leaping at the whims of gossip whores, where are the openings to engage. “It would be nice to believe that we might be helping them achieve more than just hits.” Yeah, it’d be nice.

  • gysgt213

    Paging Amy Sullivan:
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    VERONA, Italy – It happened night after night, the deaf man said, sometimes in the priest’s bedroom, sometimes in the bathroom, even in the confessional.
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    When he was a young boy at a Catholic-run institute for the deaf, Alessandro Vantini said, priests sodomized him so relentlessly he came to feel “as if I were dead.” This year, he and dozens of other former students did something highly unusual for Italy: They went public with claims they were forced to perform sex acts with priests.
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    For decades, a culture of silence has surrounded priest abuse in Italy, where surveys show the church is considered one of the country’s most respected institutions. Now, in the Vatican’s backyard, a movement to air and root out abusive priests is slowly and fitfully taking hold.
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32828482/ns/world_news-europe/

  • ohiolib

    Mr. Wilson has apologized. It’s time for us to talk about health care and not Mr. Wilson
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    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I actually agree with Pelosi.

    Wait. She’s the House majority leader. How did this happen if she didn’t back it at some level???….

  • apollyon07

    Bill Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob. He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Both are felonies.
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    People seem to forget that the entire Supreme Court boycotted his next State of The Union address.

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  • daddytwofeet

    Congressman Wilson deserved to be rebuked for his action last week. I think he should have been censured for his crass action.

    Despite most of you being partisans weren’t any of you taught, or haven’t any of you learned, that bad behavior has consequences? Stop looking at this through your faulty, partisan spectrums and start acting like Americans who have pride in your country’s institutions.

  • pafro

    Has Moveon done anything annoying lately? I was just thinking that maybe the House could vote to condemn them again and then the GOP could feel all included and important and stuff.

  • apollyon07

    Oh yeah I like that, how democrats have to apologize for an organization because it’s liberal or conservatives have to apologize for a commentator because he’s conservative.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    What a yawn. This Joe Wilson matter should be dropped already. The democrats are providing him too much press coverage.

    The bad behavior matter has been addressed, Wilson has enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame. It is now time to move on to other more pressing issues.

    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/

  • freeinpa

    The House disapproves of Joe Wilson’s behavior. No hearings on ACORN, DOJ and its dropping charges againstthe Black Panther for voter intimidation, or the Czar but tut tut Mr. WIlson.

    This is the equivalent of Dean Wormer putting him on double secret probation. No wonder Congress has such low ratings for the American people.

  • ifthethunderdontgetya

    apollyon07, thank you for reminding us all of the days when Republicans REALLY cared about the rule of law and congressional oversight.
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    Of course, they then spent the next eight years proving that they were full of manure all along.
    ~

  • apollyon07

    Well you see, while I consider myself conservative (though libertarian-leaning), at the moment and for some time now I’ve considered myself an Independent. So party politics and affiliations don’t concern me.
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    But as a side note, many of the R’s that led that charge (notably Gingrich) weren’t in Congress during the Bush years. Maybe that means that it’s the individual that matters more?

  • apollyon07

    The Senate just rebuked ACORN, something like 82-7. Trust me, it’s coming in the House too.

  • ifthethunderdontgetya


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    If our health care corporation
    Never faces regulation,
    We’ll be brimming with elation!
    Let’s save the status quo!
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    We bought a bunch of senators and congresspeople too.
    They serve our corporate interests and we tell them what to do.
    This gravy train will stop the day a health care bill gets through.
    Let’s save the status quo!
    ~

  • kujan

    Why are people more upset at a backbencher Congressman for calling the President a liar before the American Public than they are at the President of the United States for actually lying to the American Public?

  • kattest123

    Obama didn’t lie! It’s just that, well, OK: Obama lied again.

  • Cliff

    What’s harder to stomach is the general caliber of the posts.
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    This.
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    Half the reason I don’t comment as much anymore is because 98% of the posts are unadulterated bullsh*t.
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    On the day that a vast majority of doctors show up in favor of the public option, our Health Care Guru, Karen Tumulty, is nowhere to be seen.
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    Instead, we get posts on Kanye and Jay-Z and Wilson. And it has become plainly obvious that Joe Klein doesn’t know anything at all, he just runs his gob at full tilt until he gets a ping back from the National Review.
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    Hell, rusty with his ACORN reporting is doing a better job than the slapnuts working here.

  • Cliff

    And I should add, Sullivan’s posts are (oddly enough) becoming my favorite. They’re not too substantive, but she’s not pretending that they should be.

  • tc125231

    I have to ask: –Do you have hair on your palms? Are your wrists sore? I have rarely seen such a long-term exercise in mental masturbation.

    Say whatever you want, monket boy. I hope your little universe is fun for you.

  • tc125231

    Well, your history line is wrong. But I’m fine for just desserts for those who undermined America.

    Start sweating, monkey boy.

  • stuartzechman

    rusty with his ACORN reporting is doing a better job than the slapnuts working here.
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    Sad to say, this is quite true more often than it should be.

  • Art Pepper

    Idle question but … I wonder what doctors in the U.S. think of the public option?

  • Art Pepper

    You mean the plan does cover illegal immigrants?

  • stuartzechman

    Idle question, but…I wonder if any of the health care reform legislation under consideration at this point will lower the cost of health care in America from below the current crazy $7000 plus per person price tag to what the rest of the developed world pays (Germany is around $3500, so is France)?

  • mrsphong
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  • Ffred

    …err, freedom, err, fries, err, what? Oh, dissing the president! We certainly can’t have that. Oops, wrong president. We will not have any frivolity on this show.

  • emptysuit

    Wilson was still telling the TRUTH
    http://emptysuit.wordpress.com/

  • gysgt213

    Paging Max Baucus-How’s that bipartianship working out for ya? Oh and you managed to lose a senior democrat’s support too? HA!
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    CNN has learned that — barring some unforeseen change — Democratic Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus will unveil a health care proposal Wednesday without the support of the three Republican senators — Charles Grassley, Mike Enzi and Olympia Snowe — he’s been negotiating with for months.
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    …Wednesday, when the Senate Finance Chairman unveils his bill, all indications are he will be doing it without the support of Republicans he has spent hundreds of hours negotiating with.
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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/15/gang-of-six-republicans-say-no-to-baucus-bill-for-now/

  • 53_3

    emptysuit:
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    I told you that just because those voices in your head say this and that isn’t proof that what they said is true.
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    You know what would really suck?
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    Not taking your risperdal, and then finding out that all those voices were lying to you!

  • Matt

    The censure makes everyone a winner. Wilson himself and the GOP far-right can play the victim card and Democrats get a few more days to keep the story in the news and as an outrage to the American people.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • emptysuit

    Ok 53_3, I’m sorry. Obama was telling the TRUTH. Wilson should be banished from the country now. Give me my Obama Robe, and Magic Obama DUST so I can sprinkle some on all the protesters that I see from now on. I’VE BEEN SAVED, OBAMA IS NOT A LIER, HE’S A TRUTHER. Oh my, I think I’m floating, I AM, I’M REALLY FLOATING SINCE I BELIEVE IN OBAMA. Thank you 53_3.

    http://emptysuit.wordpress.com/

  • 53_3

    Maybe, one of these days, emptysuit, you will be able to bring facts to the table…

  • 53_3

    I’m hoping, apollyon07, you aren’t trying for equivalency here. Because there really isn’t any. Because of the conduct of those who control the GOP, the biggest terrorist threat to this country is not from Al-Queda at the moment.
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    I was around in 1995, and this is worse. It is about time someone drew the line.

  • ymmartin

    Now 53_3 that’s definitely hitting the nail on the head. Its amazing how easy the Right forgets that before 9/11 the worst terrorist attack was an American by today’s standards could only described as either a teabagger, birther, or some other right nutjob. But the Repugs posting here feel that the left leaning groups are the real threat, because god knows those domestic terrorists from the 60s might actually come back with a vengeance. Of course they gloss over what happened in ’95 like it never happened.

  • ymmartin

    Hey 53_3, why bother, his tag says it all, he’s just an empty suit, no facts, no reality. Even if its written in plain english right there in the bill it can’t be true because…wait for it…Obama said so.

    In one ear out the other. Why are we trying to negotiate with the GOP and the FRACTION of the population they represent. What annoys me more than anything is that Obama is clearly a centrist and in the end, we’re going to lose out in the HC fight because he still feels beholded to the Right – as if they’ve done anything for anyone at anytime.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    FT, jcapan an’Cliff if ye be readin’–
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    These be exact’th’reasons why th’pirate wench be releasin’th’lines an’settin’sail fer cleaner, clearer waters.
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    I’ve let me dead tree subscription go, an’th’Swamp be next.
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    I been feelin’ri’soiled o’late by continuin’t’pr’vide hits t’a site tha’s b’come an irrelevant piece o’fluff (‘cept fer th’admirable, bu’ultimate doomed few commenters who keep tryin’t’bring some sense, truth intelligence, an’perspective through their postin’– I be imaginin’their heads be streamin’bloody fr’m constant slammin’‘gainst th’brick wall).
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    An’, most o’all, I no be fond o’th’cynicism I be developin’’cause o’daily contact wi’th’toxic slop tha’be passin’fer “journalism” ‘ere.
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    Yarr.

  • apollyon07

    Clarification: What I was referring to in the conservatives instance was them having to apologize every time Rush Limbaugh goes off the deep end. Not every conservative (like me!) is a Rush fan. Therefore not every conservative should have to apologize for Rush every time.

  • 53_3

    I think, however, every conservative has a duty to this country to abolish the purveyors of hate that have hijacked your party.
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    On that subject, apollyon07, there is no equivalence. Virtually none of our entertainers push hate on a regular basis. None.
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    Instead of responsibility, what do I hear?
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    It wasn’me!

  • 53_3

    ymmartin:
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    You are so right!

  • 53_3

    Just to elaborate, appollyon07:
    I believe that you are one of many good ones, but having watched the GOPs’conduct in the ’80s and the ’90s prior to the Oklahoma City bombing, I know what these people are capable of.
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    I think I can safely say that if this conduct is not curbed, and soon, one of these loonies is going to either kill the president, or commit an act of domestic terrorism.
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    We have almost daily occurrences of individuals taking the lead in acts (several hundred incidences since 11/4!) of individual violence, credible threats on the president, and / or low level acts of terrorism.
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    This is not a component of the Democratic Party. We have nothing whatsoever like the phenomena seen in the GOP, and it is up to those that would identify themselves as conservatives to get rid of these individuals instead of dodging the responsibility.
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    Conservatism does not have to include hate!

  • 53_3

    I just like poking feral dogs with longs sticks, ymmartin.
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    It’s kind of fun to evoke rabid snarling from these Froot Loops…

  • dccinfh

    They support it …

    Overall, a majority of physicians (62.9%) supported public and private options (see Panel A of graph). Only 27.3% supported offering private options only. Respondents — across all demographic subgroups, specialties, practice locations, and practice types — showed majority support (>57.4%) for the inclusion of a public option (see Table 1). Primary care providers were the most likely to support a public option (65.2%); among the other specialty groups, the “other” physicians — those in fields that generally have less regular direct contact with patients, such as radiology, anesthesiology, and nuclear medicine — were the least likely to support a public option, though 57.4% did so. Physicians in every census region showed majority support for a public option, with percentages in favor ranging from 58.9% in the South to 69.7% in the Northeast. Practice owners were less likely than non-owners to support a public option (59.7% vs. 67.1%, P<0.001), but a majority still supported it. Finally, there was also majority support for a public option among AMA members (62.2%).

    http://tinyurl.com/kuzyyh

  • dccinfh

    “I just like poking feral dogs with longs sticks” – OMG, are we related?!?
    ;=}

  • shepherdwong

    “Bill Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob. He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Both are felonies.”
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    Which pretty much renders you a deluded moron since Bill Clinton was never charged or convicted of any crime.

  • chthro

    I don’t agree with what he said/did; however, Joe Wilson, while a bit foolish, has the right to free speech!!!
    As a result of my belief in this right, I made a credit card donation to his campaign. I could only afford to donate a penny right now because of my medical costs. Sorry Joe. It’s the thought that counts. Isn’t it?

    He has already sent me two emails, which in my job costs about $0.03-$0.05 per email when we pay for an email campaign. At a minimum, my donation has had a net impact of -$0.09.

    And this is no lie.

    Thanks for the email Joe. Please extend my thanks to your wife as well. Keep sending me emails, processing my donation, store it, file it….Basically, “give my penny legs”

    Search for CONTRIBUTE TO JOE WILSON to donate your $0.01

  • apollyon07

    Nothing against you 53_3, but do you really think that liberal entertainers don’t say hateful things?!
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    How about Bill Maher (expressed regret at Cheney surviving that assassination attempt overseas), Sean Penn (mocked Reagan for having Alzheimer’s), Alec Baldwin (where to begin), etc etc. It’s just when a celebrity says it, it’s “standing up for a cause”, “being brave” or just funny. Then when people call them on it, they angrily say they are exercising their 1st Amendment rights. True. And I’ll exercise MY 1st Amendment rights in calling them out on their own hatred.
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    That’s beside the point though, I was referring to interest groups, like MoveOn and others. To me, it is equivalent. Sorry.
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    And everyone likes to cite Timothy McVeigh (perhaps erroneously, since this deranged man was responding to specific events, not a mainstream movement). How about all the eco-terrorism? How about that pro-life activist that was shot last week? How about all the hatred that far left people like Louis Farrakhan and Ted Rall spew?

  • apollyon07

    And yes, I agree, conservatism, like any other movement, does not have to include hatred. One bright spot I see is that in the younger crowd, ugly things like hatred in racism are way down. Most young people that I interact with honestly don’t even consider race relations as a serious issue amongst ourselves.

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