Will Kanye West Apologize To Joe Wilson?

‘Ere’s wha’ I be thinkin:
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If th’ Democrats don’t want t’ be goin’ after “apologies” fer th’ big stuff – ye know, stuff li’ war crimes? – they ought t’ just let this Joe Wilson thing go.
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‘E’s already demonstrated ‘is total a$$holishness via national teevee, both wi’ ‘is yellin’ in th’ first place, then wi’ ‘is obvious’ insincere apologizin’.
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Th’ President accepted th’ apology, so let th’ stinkin’ dead dog lie now.
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If me Congressman – are ye listenin’ Rick Larsen? – would spend th’ time ‘e’d ‘ave t’ devote t’ bringin’ mangy curr Wilson t’ heel advocatin’ instead fer a real, strong Public Option, ‘r better yet Single Payer, I’d be appreciatin’ ‘im a whole lot more!
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Yarr!

5 days, me hearties, just 5 days left!
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Cutlasses t’ th’ ready fer ITLAPD (IPLAPD?)!
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Arrgh!

Hey, Michael, does Joe Wilson like fishsticks?

I think Kinsley is basically right, but the apology on the floor would be to/for the institution of the house and its members. The previous apologies were primarily to/for the president. From a pure organizational culture standpoint, if you don’t enforce the norms of your culture, you’ll soon cease to have them.

As I recall the plan was to let it slide, although Wilson had breached House protocol. Then the shmok had to go and use his rude behavior as a selling point.

Rude behavior / discourse could be the common thread here, from Kanye to Serena Williams, Joe Wilson to Rush, etc. Nancy Snow started a 9-13 Huff Post about Serena with “Composure. Joe Wilson lost it Wednesday night. And now Defending U.S. Open Champion Serena Williams lost it Saturday night…” Mark Silva made a similar broader point here (esp. last paragraph): http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-williams_monsep14,0,2178983.story …then again, huge props to Taylor, Beyonce and Kim Clijsters for their grace and class …and their wins too.

Kanye West doesn’t care about country music.

Speaking of “incivility”, when did this start?
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Many hosts and pundits suggested the Democrats’ reaction was the first of its kind:
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TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]
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JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I’ve never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address before. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]
JOE SCARBOROUGH (former U.S. representative (R-FL) and MSNBC host): After the Democrats booed and hissed, Republicans were on the floor saying, you know, we never once did that to Clinton. So every time he would talk about Social Security, the roars got a little louder. And they got behind their president. [MSNBC, Hardball, 2/2/05]
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BOB BARR (former U.S. representative (R-GA) and CNN contributor): It will be a very, very difficult battle as we saw by the unprecedented and, I think, highly improper virtual booing of the president when he simply said that the system is going to be bankrupt and the time is now to fix it. [CNN, Inside Politics, 2/3/05]
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JOE WATKINS (radio host and CNN substitute host): Did you hear it? Certainly not the polite protocol usually practiced when a president speaks to Congress. If a Democrat one day delivers a State of the Union address, I hope the Republicans won’t lower themselves to such a disrespectful level. I hope last night’s behavior by a few lawmakers doesn’t set a new precedent, that both parties can agree to remain civil, even when voicing disagreements.

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I bet you thought while reading the above, this was all about Joe Wilson. That the comments made by pundits and people of the media were from 2009. When in fact those statements were made in 2005, during Bush II’s State of the Union Address.
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While I am not condoning either party’s disrespect for the Office of the President in the forum of a Presidential address to Congress, a precedent was set long ago, by the DEMOCRATS. This and the fact that this speech was certainly and simply a political speech, not a Presidential address.
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But, what type of “umbrage” or offense did Joe Wilson take from Obama’s speech, Michael? Wilson simply said “You lie”. Which in reading the facts behind the current bills under consideration of the House and Senate, Obama did lie. Or, if he does not include specific language that insures illegals are checked and verfied before they can be approved for healthcare, then he has lied to ALL Americans.
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Or, are you saying that Obama took “umbrage” against the accusation that Joe Wilson said Obama lied? The President did make many statements in this speech stating that “some people are lying” about healthcare reform, or rather what is being proposed by the Democrats. Accusations where flying throughout this speech. Practically every other word out of Obama’s mouth was an accusation towards any opponents against healthcare as a “lie”.
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Even here in the swamp, Joe Klein has had several posts of late where he is going to “Call them out”. Meaning or I take it to mean, “they are lying, so we will point out what they are lying about”.
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I certainly do hope that Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats in Congress band together to make a major issue out of this. I hope they demonize Wilson, and bring him in front of the entire House and expose him. It will simply prove only one thing.
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How hypocritical they all are.

When do I get my apology from the Democrats for raising my insurance premiums?

I do not know which was funnier, the article by Michael Kinsley or the actions of Kanye West.

Kanye remains in the news as does “Wilson, the Uncivil”. I think it works out well for both of them. They love it!
The losers in both instances are the Democrats and Taylor Swift, respectively.

BTW, I do think Taylor Swift’s video, whatever it was, must have been better than Beyonce’s. I only say that because Beyonce’s over exposure makes her videos hurt my eyes.

LM

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No matter how important or otherwise the underlying issue may be, it seems that about three-quarters of American politics can now be distilled down to “How dare you say that!”
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The real problem is that 72 percent of reporting can now be distilled to, “some on the left and right say that they are upset!” (Pew/WaPo study at this link).
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How many posts have we had here on Swampland on Joe Wilson’s flipout?

Right after hell freezes over and they raise your taxes from 28% to 59%, in order to pay for all the new entitlement programs.

Rusty– please be aware that Koppel was wrong. (link here about Republicans booing the president in the 1990s).
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Also, the harumphing after applause lines is different than Wilson barking out and heckling right in the middle of the speech. Yes, he did bad, and pretty much every Republican congressman said so.

When are the republicans going to apologize for wrecking my country?

Please. Until someone gets beaten with a cane, can we all shut up about the lack of civility?

Not to mention Wall Street…

Oops, I meant to reply to 4legs.

You know, I ridicule the traditional media by constantly referring to them as nothing more than pathetic gossip peddlers, long devoid of any journalistic merit or talent. That they treat our political system, the very fabric of this nation, like some sort of new FOX reality show. And that it does our country a true disservice to have such egotistical, lazy hacks responsible for informing the public.

I’m really glad Michael Scherer has taken that criticism to heart, and has dived headfirst into blatantly proving my point. Cheers, Michael – well done!

Civility sucks and we all know it. It’s mostly a pretense to begin with. “My esteemed colleague” is usually a preface for a comment that basically mean “that ignorant MFer”. Money gets people into congress and somebody raising more is what gets the other guy out. We stopped being civil long ago but still cling to the illusion that we are.

Kanye West’s out burst on a scale of impact it could ever have on me, my family or friends is zero. I feel for Taylor Swift and appreciate the fact that both her and Beyonce showed some class. But it is not issue for me to worry about.

I really like Micheal Schearer’s slyness on the Southern Strategy side.
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Kanye was a bozo, but a civilian bozo.
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It might be worthy of note, Micheal, that none of those involved in the MTV brouhaha are anything more than entertainers – in the real – NOT – repeat NOT – in the Rush Limbaugh sense.
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Keep polishing your turds, Micheal. Maybe Rusty will get it right and the Sleeping White Giant will awaken.
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And you’ll be there, decked out in RW&B playing the violin…

And by your logic this of course means that Repubs are much, much more ethically cleaner and better than Democrats. Gosh, how could I not figure that out before? Takes a real genius to show me the light.

Too bad that light is attached to an oncoming freight train.

I would dare say that, since everyone has one and thus serves a function and purpose, Wilson’s be jammed up.

Yarr.

Does this now mean that, since Kanye doesn’t care about white people, he half-hates BO?

MFer = Money Follower, right?

ha.

Aye, Kanye, ’cause half nekkid women bumpin’ an’ grindin’ simulatin’ sex be such a far sight “best” than anythin’ Taylor Swift be offerin’!
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Yarr.

Come on now. We need a double-decker-triple-dog apology from Wilson. Anything less is just the collapse of Western civilization as we know it!

http://timm84.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/kanye-west-joe-wilson-interrupt-cbs-evening-news/

Kanye did display an amazing lack of class. I was sorry to read that he was escorted from the awards show. He should have been given the bum’s rush and thrown out.

I’m sorry, but I do not agree with Michael Kinsley, you Joe, or any of the other respondents who don’t think Congressman Wilson should apologize for his conduct. He breached the House rules of decorum and he needs to be held responsible for that, regardless of why he did it and regardless of whether he apologized to the president.

What I find mystifying in Kinsley’s column and this discussion is the lack of regard for consequences. I mean, is it generational? Do Baby Boomers like you Joe, or Kinsley and Wilson think something like an infantile outburst on national television by a member of congress at the president should not be punished? What gives?

I think he should be censured for his breach of decorum. Why? Because that’s why there are rules of decorum. So no member of congress of either party ever does it again. So our elected leaders act like leaders. Because, as our parents taught us, there are consequences to inappropriate behavior.

This isn’t rocket science. Yet I’m incredulous with Kinsley’s flip comments and your agreement with them. When are you Boomers going to start acting like the grownups you became 40 years ago?

Yes, but just because you’re not overly-civil doesn’t mean you need to be a prick, like Joe Wilson.

Kanye needs to apologize to America for that interruption, he needs to apologize to Swift for embarrassing her, he needs to go to the Country Music Awards and apologize, and most of all he needs to apologize to Black people for lack of control, being wasted drunk, looking like he just crawled out of an trash can, and being disrespectful.

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