The Meaning of 9/12

JP writes:

I was at home in Brooklyn, holding my six-week-old baby on the couch, when I saw the second plane crash into the World Trade Center on TV.

Long-time commenters and posters here might recall I’ve had something to say about this subject, about the rooftop I was on when the Towers burned and fell that day.
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I have a slight suggested amendment to the title of JP’s post to offer, the rejection of which will be entirely understandable, but that comes straight from the heart of downtown New York City, where I live:
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Don’t f*cking Tell Me What > 9/12 Means, Glenn Beck, You Carpetbagging F*ck.

Carpetbagging?

Please. Just make it stop. I’m begging here.

Thanks for posting a link here, KT. I don’t typically read that page, but that was a beautifully written post. It’s very heartening to see people like Jim and you calling these people out in very clear, direct language. Hopefully your journalistic colleagues will join you in being as passionate and clear about calling this as you see them and not equivocating.

Glenn Beck has to be the least self aware person on the face of the planet. How can he talk about unity when he’s one of the main instigators of hate in this country?

$$$. There has always been gobs of money to be made in appealing to the worst in the most ignorant of us. I think Beck does have a legitimate screw loose (as opposed to the purely cynical O’Reilly and Hannity), but he’s making an extraordinarily good living.

I could be way off base, but I see the tea bagging movement as mostly a white racist entity that is frustrated about their perceived lack of power in the new world dynamic.
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Obama’s election sealed the deal for them. Hillary would have somewhat being a woman, but Obama sent them off unhinged.
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I see the “9/12″ group as wanting to reclaim the time that even a black doctor or lawyer would still have to show deference to any white person in the community or “else”.

You are completely on base. It is a white supremacist movement.

“Carpetbagger”

* Main Entry: car·pet·bag·ger
* Pronunciation: \-ˌba-gər\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: from their carrying all their belongings in carpetbags
* Date: 1868
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2 : outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics
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— car·pet·bag·gery \-ˌba-g(ə-)rē\ noun

“Carpetbaggery”

Sh!t!
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I just found out that that loony is from a town only 35 miles from where I live.
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Jeezuz how I wish there was some plate tetctonics that would kick in somehow and send send the the Mayor of Mount Vernon’s house on a long, long, long lonely trip to Antarctica.
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I’m sure that in such a generally moderate/liberal city as Mount Vernon, all 22 of his supporters will be cebrelating, er, celebrating.
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If they weren’t already cheesing off over Rush Limbaughs’ picture…

I hope Glenn Beck’s death panel takes volunteers.

Standing by my “Max Baucus in ’16,” may I just state the obvious?

Palin-Beck 2012!

And OT, but did anyone see this stunning piece in the Times UK?

“In an extraordinary frank meeting with Mr Gorbachev in Moscow in 1989 — never before fully reported — Mrs Thatcher said the destabilisation of Eastern Europe and the breakdown of the Warsaw Pact were also not in the West’s interests.”

Straight out of Oz … what’s behind the curtain?

Sorry gysgt213, poo stinks.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/11/washington.beck.flap/index.html

Sorry guys, read link in my response to gysgt213′s plea for sanity, reposted here:
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/11/washington.beck.flap/index.html

Don’t f*cking Tell Me What > 9/12 Means, Glenn Beck, You Carpetbagging F*ck.

Amen. I’ve had about all I can stomach from that little p*ssant.

You are completely on base. It is a white loser movement.

filleted yer taco

The idea of anyone in the United States claiming “residency” over the attacks on the country always strikes me odd.
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Beck is a charlatan but carbetbagging seems off to describe his attempt to cash in.

Remember when that troll Rusty accused you of waterboarding U.S. soldiers during World War II? That gave me a good laugh yesterday.

PNNTO:
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As JP says so well:

None of us have a unique claim on the meaning of 9/11, or 9/12. The fact that I was in New York on 9/11 does not make my views about anything that’s happened since more valid than anyone else’s. (If you were in Montana on 9/11, your views are just as legitimate as mine.) Millions of us were here, and we drew millions of different lessons from that day.

The vile exploitation of a mythology built around the real event, as JP accurately describes:

What he purportedly wants is to bring back our feeling of “unity.” I remember that feeling. After 9/11, I remember hardcore liberal New Yorkers rallying behind Rudy Giuliani, saying nice things about President Bush when he spoke at the WTC ruins. I remember thousands of American flags being flown out of apartment and brownstone windows, not as political statements or in the you-better-prove-your-patriotism spirit of flag pins and Freedom Fries, but simply because we felt we Americans were all in this together.

, is what compels me to use the term “carpetbagger”.
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The attacks may have been on the country, but the remarkable serenity and solemnity with which we in New York City approached the task of holding ourselves together in those days was particular to us– especially for its reversal of New Yorkers’ stereotypically competitive and confrontational character. We proved and knew during that terrible time that we had something of the spirit of Britons during the Battle of Britain in us, and you truly had to be here to witness its power.
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Some guy I didn’t know stopped his car on First Avenue for me as I was walking 40 blocks up to my office, and gave me a ride. Delis were letting people walk in, and giving them things to eat and bottled water to drink. The lines at the hospitals of people there to give blood –to do anything to help– were an awesome thing to witness. I’m not romanticizing here, JP isn’t either, I can tell you. That’s really what it was like.
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We looked at each other differently. The flags we flew out of our windows weren’t ceremonial, they were testimonial. I am so proud of us, I can’t even tell you what it means to have been there, to have been one of the hundreds of thousands of people who had the opportunity to be the best that one can be under difficult circumstances. There was a quiet something that went on in people as we tried to go about life afterward, and just before the end of it, we even believed a little that we might go on that way as a country.
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It’s not just the memory of the attacks on our country that this two-bit carnival huckster is cheapening by his crass pitch, it’s that amazing time for us here in New York, when –unexpectedly, really– we did our best for each other.
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That this dirt-preaching charlatan wants to join the memorial parade for that time at the head of it, wearing his ringmasters’ gear, and megaphoning his corrupt, illiterate, jingoist slogans is offensive in the extreme. As someone who lived here during that time, there is a special affront to him, to which the term “carpetbagger” can only speak.
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As JP says, it “ticks me off royally and personally“.
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Feel free to disagree; these are only my personal opinions, PNNTO.

Given the fact that 9/11 was targeted at NYC and Washington and that most of the people in the US live on the coasts, don’t you just love it when people like Chris Matthews, Brian Williams, and Charlie Gibson tell us that “real” America is somewhere in the middle?
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I guess you have to be someone like Joe Wilson – who still celebrates the Confederacy, or Tim Pawlenty – who wants to assert States rights so he can avoid giving Minnesotans health care, to be a “real” American.

Ah stuart, you speak as if you some how lost something. Your anger makes it seem almost believable that you truly do care about this country, about the lives lost on 9/11 or the tragedy on that historic day.
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We ALL lost something on that day, stuart. Every single American lost something on 9/11. Sure, the families of the victims lost loved ones. Son’s lost their fathers, Daughter’s lost their mothers. Friend’s lost other friends. But, we, the American people lost part of our freedom, our innocence. We became complacent, and allowed a sworn enemy to attack us on our own soil.
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I do watch Glenn Beck. And, today it was quite moving actually. He showed pictures for the past 8 years of the hole in the ground that once held two great towers. A hole in the ground, that continues to be just that. A big ugly hole. Not a remembrance of what happened 8 years ago. How long did it take to build the Empire State Building, stuart? How long did it take to build the Hoover Dam?
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Why stuart? Why is there just a hole in the ground where the majestic Twin Towers once stood? Why has the proposed new tower name been changed from Freedom Tower, to some other benign easily forgotten name? Answer that for me stuart.
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On 9/12/01 there was a great sense of community. A great sense that this country was united. A great sense of National pride. I felt for the first time in my life, that feeling I know my mother and father felt after their generation won World War II. How that generation banded together to defeat one of the greatest evils of all time. How our forefathers and mothers fought the British to establish this great country of ours.
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But, this generation is complacent. It is made of fast-food junkies. Instant gratification whores. Its leaders are those who want to turn us into blind sheep. Followers of the great Progressive Movement. To liberalize all values and morals. To simply make us another France-like “global” state, in the World Government.
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Well stuart, I believe that a majority of Americans do not want to be like you, or Obama. We want nothing to do with your ideals. And, tomorrow, on 9/12/09 we ARE going to stand up and make ourselves known again. The same way we stood up, flew our flags and asked “God, bless America”.

Well, I happen to think that Obama is a racist (at least as such term is defined by the left these days), Mr. Poniewozick. That Glenn Beck is execrable, and he is that, doesn’t mean that everything he says is wrong. Obama’s record on race is none too good, notwithstanding the “hear no evil, see no evil” attitude of the press and people like Mr. Poniewozick. But I should stop–because I am being divisive.
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Moreover, perhaps, just perhaps, Mr. Poniewozick could also direct his middling talent at people like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann. Or even Barack Obama. When he was talking about the “bad” patriotism of “freedom fries” (lighten up, Jimbo), perhaps he could have mentioned Obama’s association of patriotism with a few GOP votes for the “stimulus”. (Yeah, vote my way and you’re a patriot.) And while I am at it, maybe Mr. Poniewozick could point out the unity created by people like Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer penning an article calling dissenters from the healthcare plans “un-American”.

As for forgetting about 9/11, well, not to try to defend Beck, but I don’t think he was referring to people forgetting the actual events (except of course, the awful pictures of Palestinians cheering), but rather the lessons of 9/11. As I write this, Mr. Holder is going after CIA people who were just trying to defend America. And the pre-9/11 law enforcement mentality seems to be regaining a lot of ground.

I understand your feelings Stuart.
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My point, simply, is that anyone feeling they have
(this isn’t the exact word but will do) proprietary claim on that day, from the left or the right, seems wrong.
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Not picking, just saying.

Rustydog:
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Thanks for your thoughts, I mean that sincerely.

On 9/12/01 there was a great sense of community. A great sense that this country was united. A great sense of National pride. I felt for the first time in my life, that feeling I know my mother and father felt after their generation won World War II. How that generation banded together to defeat one of the greatest evils of all time. How our forefathers and mothers fought the British to establish this great country of ours.

If you’ll read my commentary below, it’s interesting to note how both of us could be so close to each other in the experience of that time, and yet so far.
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In the interests of national unity, I shall refrain from making your beautifully true statement “ there was a great sense of community” into a pun involving the word “communitarian”, and then rebuking you with it.
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I shall also not answer the questions you posed in inappropriately ideological and political terms:

Why stuart? Why is there just a hole in the ground where the majestic Twin Towers once stood? Why has the proposed new tower name been changed from Freedom Tower, to some other benign easily forgotten name? Answer that for me stuart.

in the same interests, since it will probably lead somewhere in the vicinity of this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2006053101364.html
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Anti-Terror Funding Cut In D.C. and New York,
Homeland Security Criticized Over Grants
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By Dan Eggen and Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 1, 2006
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The Department of Homeland Security yesterday slashed anti-terrorism money for Washington and New York, part of an immediately controversial decision to reduce grant funds for major urban areas in the Northeast while providing more to mid-size cities from Jacksonville to Sacramento.
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The announcement that the two cities targeted on Sept. 11, 2001, would suffer 40 percent reductions in urban security funds prompted outrage from lawmakers and local officials in both areas, who questioned the wisdom of cutting funds so deeply for cities widely recognized as prime terrorist targets. The decision came less than five months after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff unveiled changes in the grants plan intended to focus funding on areas facing the gravest risk of attack.
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New York’s grant plummeted from about $207 million to $124 million. A DHS risk scorecard for the city asserted that the home of the Empire State Building and the Brooklyn Bridge has “zero” national monuments or icons.
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Undersecretary for Preparedness George Foresman told reporters that although the program was formed with anti-terrorism objectives in mind, the money is meant to improve readiness for “an act of terrorism or an act of Mother Nature.”
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Yet one of the big losers was hurricane-ravaged New Orleans, whose grant award dropped from $9.3 million to $4.6 million.
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The department refused to release the names of panel members or other details about the review boards.

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Why don’t we just let that one go for now, Rustydog?

I think the fact that Beck decided he was going to try and plant his flag on 9/12 at the exact same time that Dick Armey’s Freedomworks astroturf group decided to reserve that date on the National Mall shows that Armey and Beck conspired to carpet bag on 9/11.
savetherich.com figured it out:
http://savetherich.com/reports/planning-freedomworks-912-rally-began-hours-beck-introduced-his-912-project-air

Why is there just a hole in the ground where the majestic Twin Towers once stood?
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Because liberals hate America, obviously.

Thank you for pointing out that Chertoff did reduce the funding to New York and Washington. I was not aware of that, but cannot entirely fault him for ensuring “security” funds are allocated equally, and fairly through out this great Nation. But, I can understand where you are coming from as a resident of New York to be unhappy with his decision.
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I am sure you would never want people from Peoria fall victim to the same terrorists as New Yorkers did on 9/11/01.
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I think we both made our points very clear. We shall “leave it go”, for now.

What spob, said.

“We have been exposed politically, culturally and economically. And I don’t think anyone likes what we see. Unfortunately people are worried about politics more than the state of this country and its people in it. Hatred, distrust and disrespect is spewing venom all over the place and it is poisoning us daily. Wrong is rewarded and right is shoved aside for greed and personal gain. Simple compassion and concern for others is labeled as socialism and a small demented segment of irrational voices threaten to drown out a mass of people with common sense. However, there is a tiny part of me (perhaps the size of a mustard seed) that believes things will and can get better.”
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I found that take by a CNN commenter pretty interesting.
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As for myself, what did 9/11 prove? It proved that we’re not invulnerable, or special, or somehow immune to the results of our choices throughout history. Remember, Bin Lade, Afghanistan and just about every other major “negative” element in the middle east are former allies or resultants thereof. I was scrambling to get a nuclear reactor up and our submarine out to sea on 9/11 after watching the satellite feed of the attacks in the morning. By nightfall, people were coming in eating McDonalds and playing poker.
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What did 9/12 teach? It taught that terrorism works, but not directly. People went back to business as usual within 24 hours. Hell, within 12 hours. Nothing immediately tangible was lost in magnitude for the country to stop. “Send in the contracted %5 to go deal w/ this problem. The rest of you, go back to your sports, TV, and fast food.” Yet, the seeds were sown and slowly but surely we gave into fear and mistrust and readily accepted what was already one of our greatest weaknesses as a solution to one of our greatest challenges. We basically said we don’t care how you fix it, just fix it fast and don’t bother us with the details. Our ‘leaders’ took that opportunity for all it was worth (many trying to do well, just not thinking long term), and the rest is history.
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We are a (relatively) ignorant, selfish, visceral, and violent culture. What we see today is not so different than how we took over the continental US from the Indians, how we treated slave populations, our actions in the civil war, our actions towards Japanese Americans in the World War, women’s rights up until just 30 years ago, or a myriad of other easily identifiable markers in our past. We like to pretend that today is different, but in reality it is far more just like it has always been. If we are realistic about our history, what in our past indicates that we would have acted any differently to 9/11 than we did? We are the only nation to ever nuke a civilian population, and we did it twice. Could you imagine how we’d talk about Germany or Japan if THEY were the ones who used the bomb?
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If anything has changed it is simply the progression of technology allowing more people to be involved and exposed to the traits that have defined us for centuries. And to have those caricatures bombarded to millions 24/7 through our media technology. The means have changed, but people are exactly the same. The only real question is will the saturation of “mirrors” that our globalized, tech-laden world brings finally get the people to change. I have my doubts.

As for forgetting about 9/11, well, not to try to defend Beck, but I don’t think he was referring to people forgetting the actual events (except of course, the awful pictures of Palestinians cheering), but rather the lessons of 9/11.
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No he’s not. It boils down to a simple case of acting like something you’re not: Glen Beck is using 9/11 to act like he truly cares about lessening the divisions in this country when anyone who watches his show knows that he’s the one at the bottom of the trench digging it deeper. That’s why it’s so infuriating to watch. When Glenn Beck asks the question, “What happened to that sense of camaraderie that we shared on 9/12″, I can’t help but shout back: “You did!”.

53 –
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Ye be knowin’, don’t ye, tha’ Glenn been invited t’ Mt Vernon WA in sort o’ an appreciation day, an’ th’ 700 tickets went li’ hotcakes? I sure be hopin’ lots o’ em went t’ protesters! I’d li’ t’ be seein’ ol’ Glenn be gettin’ a hearty sample o’ wha’ he encourages be dished out t’ others!
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Th’ mayor o’ Bellingham be tryin’ t’ convince Joh Stewart t’ appear up thar, as a counter “rally”.
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It be wild an’ crazy ‘ere in lovely western WA – even ‘ere on th’ lovely isle o’ Whidbey we be overrun wi’ teabaggin’ Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh lovin’ cretins’ foamin’ a’ th’ mouth ’cause they just can’t be standin’ th’ fact tha’ they be losers – in more ways than th’ Presidency!
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Yarr!

53 – sorry – posted b’fore I got down ‘ere t’ this link!

I used to watch Glenn Beck, of course that was before he became a rabid hate/fear monger.

I loathe the way he has put God and religion into his march of hate. Even worse, I am saddened by the ease with which it appears so many can be led.

Leaving the Republican party and becoming Independent was the right choice for all who have done so to date (including me). The Republican party appears to have been co-opted completely by extremist, lie mongering, race baiting, bible altering, fear selling lying desperate folk. Very sad indeed.

LM

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/

Paul-no not th

He has Beck confused with Hillary Clinton.

You may be correct. This liberal crowd on this site, I have said time and time again habitually use race. If you listen to what Obama has said in his youth and reasonably analyze the associates he has kept it is not a stretch to believe that race-factor plays a major part in Obama’s life. Rev Wright, Van Jones are just 2 examples.

Gauge his reaction to the episode in Cambridge with Prof. Gates who is a professional race-baiter. His response was unscripted and he said what he believes without fully knowing the facts. I find it interesting that there is now a 12 person panel that is going to review the officer while despite the fraud, complaints, racism and thuggery of ACORN there is not a single call from this administration of Democrats in general to deal with that organization.

Beck may go off the wall from time to time. He uses his medium to get across his point just as Obama does with his.

“Ye be knowin’, don’t ye, tha’ Glenn been invited t’ Mt Vernon WA in sort o’ an appreciation day, an’ th’ 700 tickets went li’ hotcakes?”
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You mean the greater Seattle area (or the entire ‘left’ coast) isn’t one uniform progressive bloc? Pearls clutched! In my 20s, I thought in going to CA (pre-collapse) that I was moving to liberal utopia. Uh huh, I was pretty f’ing stupid (well, at least more f’ing stupid than now).
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A Glenn Beck rally in the NW, it’s not quite the dot of blue that is Lincoln, NE, but… Mind you, by the time I did my year in Oregon, I was past such naïveté. Good thing, as there were plenty of nutters thereabouts. And you know what, they’re here too, driving around in black vans bellowing xenophobic chants over loudspeakers. It’s universal.

Well lawyermommy, life is not always greener on the other side. Enjoy your new found “friends”.

Well said maurice

My sentiments exactly Stuart.

As a native New Yorker working in DC, It was kind of a triple whammy. I was simultaneously trying to track down family in NY, my family members in the military who I knew would be on alert and trying to get out of DC. You just have to be here to know what trying to get out of DC is like when it’s on lock down. And through it all I can recall two seemingly bizarre things that still stick in my mind: 1) weather wise it was one of the most beautiful blue sky days I’d have ever seen. I remember looking up at the sky when my radio in the car blurted out the first plane had hit the tower one– it was hard to process how something so horrible could happen on such a stunningly beautiful day. By the time I parked my car in the garage and got upstairs to my office to tell my colleagues what happened, they didn’t belive me, it was almost a reflexive thing to look out the windows toward the sky and see the bright blue and say nah must be a mistake. And 2) I picked that day to quit smoking, needless to say after turning on CNN, back when it was still a news outlet, just in time to watch the second plane enter the towers, the stress level by that time made that decision a moot point despite my last cigarette had been midnight of the previous day. Oh I remember two more things — the god awful sound of the plane hitting the pentagon. Of course at the time we didn’t know what it was, we all assumed it was an explosion and as we ran for our cars we were afraid that it might have been the white house, because you can see the capital standing strong. And as we stood stuck in traffic, thousands of drivers kept their eyes upward constantly scanning the sky and a familiar sound of jet fighters scrambled from Andrews brought with them an eerie calm.

“What happened to that sense of camaraderie that we shared on 9/12″
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Hmm…
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What year did Ann Coulter’s book “Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism” come out?

“Liberals’ loyalty to the United States is off-limits as a subject of political debate. Why is the relative patriotism of the two parties the only issue that is out of bounds for rational discussion?”
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“Liberals have a preternatural gift for always striking a position on the side of treason,” says Coulter. “Everyone says liberals love America, too. No, they don’t.”

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That’s right: June 24, 2003.

maurice2u:
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Hmmm…interesting.
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You don’t think that there’s something the least bit brave about a bus driver putting on his uniform, and getting behind the wheel, even while the sky over his island is still literally dark with tragedy?
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You don’t think that there’s something the least bit courageous about a lady going shopping for the dinner she had planned, still looking anxiously at the tops of buildings above?
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You don’t think that ordinary people picking themselves up from chaos and terror, and, with the imprint of tragedy stamped in smoking columns where a childhood-familiar landmark stood, just trying to go about their ordinary lives represents something important about their characters?
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The people of London who were not bombed into bloody smithereens went about their daily businesses during the Blitz. Should they have been condemned for somehow not sacrificing enough?
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I’m not arguing, I’m just interested to understand your thoughts.

Why is it that some of Beck’s 9/12 supporters are also talking secession. Don’t they believe in the Pledge of Allegiance? Don’t they believe in the Constitution? (only the second amendment I guess).

Actually what I said pafro, that the Japanese in WWII simply shot our soldiers in the back of the head when they took them prisoners, among many other atrocities. Water-boarding would have been very humane in light of all the other things they did in comparison when they captured our soldiers.

“What happened to that sense of camaraderie that we shared on 9/12″ Well stuart, mainly THIS:
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“Adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement come from diverse social backgrounds. Many adherents are politically liberal, while the movement also includes people on the right.

According to Christopher Hodapp and Alice Von Kannon, anti-Semites have joined the movement, and accusations of anti-Semitism have been directed against the 9/11 Truth movement. Several truth movement websites and organizations maintain statements and pages explicitly rejecting Holocaust Denial, anti-semitism and other forms of racism. One site, 911Review.com, which hosts the page, “Holocaust Denial Versus 9/11 Truth”, states that, “It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial.”Chip Berlet, speaking on NPR’s Fresh Air in June 2009, stated, “I have to say in fairness to the 9/11 Truth Movement, they have tried to keep some of the anti- Semitism out of it with varying degrees of success, but good for them that they did that.”

Prominent adherents of the movement include, among others, theologian David Ray Griffin, former Green Jobs ‘czar’ Van Jones, the journalist Robert Fisk, physicist Steven E. Jones, software engineer Jim Hoffman, architect Richard Gage, film producer Dylan Avery, actors Ed Asner, Charlie Sheen and journalist Thierry Meyssan.

According to Lev Grossman of TIME magazine, support for the 9/11 Truth movement is not a “fringe phenomenon”, but “a mainstream political reality”.

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Hmmmm. I wonder which “mainstream” political party can claim ownership of this group? The Democrats? The Progressive Bloc of the Democrat Party? Or is it simply some wack-job, far left liberal extremism?
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We report, you decide.

Nathan, your calumny should be directed at others besides Beck. Beck is not the Speaker of the House.

I look forward to the day when Beck has his money shot and gets dragged off the set in tears while screaming about liberals ruining his America. It’s coming. I just hope he times it for when he’s on the air. He’s a drama queen.

I do and will!

http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/

Those of us on the darkside do put out complimentary plates of cookies and serve coffee at our meetings.

Unity comes from having a common purpose and working towards it together. Unity that’s based on the notion of hating all the right people is not unity at all. It’s just hatred

We don’t “hate” you Paul Dirks, just your philosophy, your ideals, and mis-guided trust in the most prolific liberal to ever reach the seat provided to him by the People of this Nation.
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But, we do make mistakes. The one great thing about Americans, we realize the mistakes we have made and correct them.
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Obama did “unite” the far left extremists. He successfully hood-winked millions of other Americans into voting for him in 2008, with his evil silver tongue. But, he clearly demonstrates what his agenda is, and it is clear that Americans are rejecting it.
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Today, the voices of opposition are being heard. Thankfully we have a media to make ourselves known. While the MSM represented by TIME, NBC, ABC and CBS refuse to report the outrage we have for this corrupt government, our voices will be heard. We are united as never before. The silent majority will take this country back. We will send the likes of Obama, Pelosi and Reid back to the far, dark recesses of liberal extremism.
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We will no longer sit idly by while organizations such as ACORN steal billions from the tax payers to promote their perverted agendas. People like Van Jones will be exposed for their radical agendas and removed.
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In a year from now, the liberal incumbents will be removed from office. The Obama Healthcare Plan defeated. The power currently controlled by Democrats will be surrendered in defeat.

“Well stuart, I believe that a majority of Americans do not want to be like you, or Obama. We want nothing to do with your ideals. And, tomorrow, on 9/12/09 we ARE going to stand up and make ourselves known again. The same way we stood up, flew our flags and asked ‘God, bless America.’”

Can this be true? If a majority of Americans did not want to be like stuart or President Obama, doesn’t it follow that Obama would not be president? Where was this flag-flying legion on election day?

I guess my quarrel is with the belief in the word “majority.” It doesn’t logically follow and isn’t really the truth.

Amen…

The silent majority will take this country back.
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LOL!!!!!
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Sorry Rusty, your bretheren have many qualities. Silence is not among them.

Nice Nixon riif, though. That’s sure to win hearts and minds…….

Hi Everyone,

I enjoyed reading everyones comments, great points of view.
I like to analyze how we got here.
No, we can’t go back and undo anything, however, it might be worth changing the way we do things to avoid catastrophes in the future.

World Peace.

Yes, I am an idealist, yes I think the act of war is only something implemented by pathological persons.

It is hard to comprehend how humans can come to wage war.

If only we really were civilized, we could get the leaders of countries having disputes together. Find a game they are both the same skill level at, perhaps chess.
They play best 2/3 games. Loser goes away.
We could save a lot of $, lives and everything else.

I know this isn’t how the real world works, it makes me sad. I daydream about a paradox world where man never invented guns, he had no need. Its a beautiful place, can you imagine?

I think your perception is very accurate and that some of the backlash also comes from people who are resisting and/or resentful of the changing global new world order and America’s role in it.

It’s almost as if they are going through the Kubler-Ross stages of grief and dying.

I need a job,

Anyone in the position to hire a college grad?
I’ve worked 40 jobs in 24 years, I work diligently, friendly and work hard.

I know this is off topic, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

I am glad humans are contained on planet Earth.
If we can make this big of a mess out of one planet, imagine the mess we’d make if we could traverse the Universe.
Maybe, just maybe we are contained on this planet for a reason. Maybe.

“We don’t “hate” you Paul Dirks,[...]”
“[...]with his evil silver tongue.”
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Do you even read what you type anymore? Evil, really? As in, intentionally malicious, corrupting, cohorting with Satan? You labeled those opposed to Bush’s conservative agenda as traitors in the months and years after 9/11. What could that possibly be defined as other than hatred? And in the context of “moving back to the feeling of 9/12,” how could your posts not be considered naked hypocrisy?

And what exactly will Rusty do when he wakes up from this fantasy in 2010 and he and his American people are still the rump little party of big mouth bullies from the south? While Rusty conveniently blames everything on folks falling for Obama’s mystique — rather than a rejection of his belief system out right, he forgets that we Liberals took back the Congress in 2006, before Obama was the apple in any one’s eye. I notice numbers supporting the GOP hasn’t increased one iota and does not support his claims. So what’s going to happen when your fondest dreams don’t come true Rusty? — will your head explode what?

Did you just equate the vitriol and verbal diarrhea spewing out of Beck’s mouth to Nancy Pelosi?
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Tell you what, let’s have a quote contest. I’ll post something that Glenn Beck has said that I think is intentionally divisive, and then you can post something by Nancy Pelosi. The first person to run out of links loses. How much would you be willing to bet on Nancy Pelosi to win this one?

The “meaning” of 9/12:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/we-will-not-submit/

Hey Rusty!
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You’re soooo good at American history, name the first, oldest, and largest of the modern terrorist organizations.
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I’ll give you a clue:
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Their victims numbered between 200,000 and 2,000,000 Americans.
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BTW, Rusty, why don’t you bring your complaint to Yoshiattacks?
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I’m sure he’ll be more receptive…

Well, they’re all sick, Pirate Wench! We do have our nutcases. They just can’t find anything real to be pissed about.
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They probably are from “Freedom County”. Remember them?

Dee:
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Remember how disjointed and despondent Rusty was after 11/4 (love these date-type references!) when he woke up to discover that America actually had changed on him?
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We will have to pass the hat and give him plenty of uppers on that day!
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What he doesn’t realize is that 11/4 is a watershed. Nonwhite Americans will comprise some 42% of our country’s population, and white Americans as well are leaving Rusty, spobs, and freeinpa’s philosophies behind. Witness the failure of the GOP to take up the disaffected following the first round of the health care debate.
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Even if one of their loony peers does successfully let off a round or two in Obama’s direction, or commit another act of domestic terrorism like the Oklahoma City bombing, the upcoming change is irreversible.
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It’s fun to watch the death throes of a movement long overdue for extinction…

Nor “majority”, neither – ‘ceptin’ in their lunatic fantasies!
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Yarr.