Van Jones Apologizes, Says He’s Not A 9/11 Truther

In response to a torrent of criticism, originated and directed by Fox News’s Glenn Beck, White House adviser Van Jones has apologized for some of his past statements and distanced himself from a document he once signed.

“In recent days some in the news media have reported on past statements I made before I joined the administration – some of which were made years ago.  If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize,” Van Jones said, in a document emailed out Thursday night by the White House. Jones does not identify the offensive statements in question. But yesterday, in another apology, he was more specific, telling Politico and others that he should not have called opponents of Presdient Obama’s legislation “assholes” during an event before he joined the White House.

But foul language is not Jones’ biggest problem. On Thursday, it was revealed that Jones signed onto a petition in 2004 that called for an “immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.”

Jones now says that he did not sign on to the ideas described in what he signed. “As for the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever,” Jones said in the statement.

Jones’ job is to advise the White House Council on Environment Quality on green initiatives, but for his critics, it is, at least symbolically, much bigger. Beck, who has had as good an August run and Obama has had a bad one, makes a daily issue of the fact that Jones once identified as a communist, making him something sinister at the heart of the White House operation. To address these concerns, apparently, Van Jones adds one final line to his statement: “My work at the Council on Environmental Quality is entirely focused on one goal: building clean energy incentives which create 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and use renewable resources.” In other words, he does not spend his time organizing the proletariat to seize the means of production, or whatever.

But the fact is that Beck, who has faced a withering sponsor boycott after he called Obama a “racist,”  now has a White House official backtracking. His brand of entertainment broadcasting–a sort of grab bag of candied popcorn populist outrage–has scored a hit. And there are no signs Beck will be easing back anytime soon. His new book, Arguing with Idiots, for which the broadcaster poses on the cover in what looks like a German or Russian World War II military uniform, hits store shelves September 22.

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  • kattest123

    What he says now makes a lot of sense! Except, of course, for the fact that the WashTimes has verified that the website verified that those signing were indeed who they said they were: link.
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    It seems more than a bit fantastic that if that website had simply added famous people’s names to the list five years ago none of them would have stepped forward to say they hadn’t actually signed it. In fact, that’s more than a bit fantastic.
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    On the other hand, at least one of the other signers is quite interesting too.

  • freeinpa

    “Jones now says that he did not sign on to the ideas described in what he signed. “As for the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever,” Jones said in the statement.”

    Hmm I don’t believe what I signed or what I said and everything I said has no bearing on what I do. Seem to be a perfect fit for this adminsitration.

    When their ideas, thoughts and words are analyzed peopel figure out quickly thi is not the changed they bargained for in the election.

  • stuartzechman

    Jesus Christ, not another Rev. Wright…

  • lawchic22

    You know Michael, you have been doing pretty good lately. But I have to take issue with this column, because it is lazy. Instead of vaguely alluding to Jones’ past provocative statements that his “critics” seem to take issue with, why not spell it out. Why not identify exactly which statements are at issue (the only one that got the most press was the a**hole comments). Why assume that your readership watches Beck’s show?

    And while your at it, why not do some digging on your own and provide context for the statements where needed…surely you don’t expect people with intelligence to rely on the rantings of someone who describes himself, and behaves like a clown. You’ve been really good in the past couple of weeks about providing background details and facts, I don’t know why your short changed this blog post by steering away from that.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Any chance that Beck hates Van Jones because he was the co-founder of Color of Change, the organization that is taking down Beck’s sponsors, in by one?

  • lupercal5

    Phuck off. Don’t you dare get on your high horse about foul language and questionable claims. where have you been in the past 3 months?

  • yoshiattack

    It would be a bit incorrect to say Glenn Beck “originated” this particular piece of criticism, as your first paragraph seems to imply. But boy, did he jump on it.

  • johnyt1977

    Beck profiled Jones on his show before the boycott. And even if you believe that Beck has stepped up his attacks on Jones as retaliation it doesn’t change the facts. Jones has said a lot of controversial things and did sign the petition.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    OK, 2 complaints here:
    1) Beck fires 6,487 rounds. Some cause great collateral damage; thankfully most whiz harmlessly into outer space. One hits a target (a relatively insignificant one, but certainly one who could have behaved better).
    Somehow, this is a GREAT VICTORY FOR BECK?
    I mean, it seems to me that your headline should reflect the actual reason why this is newsworthy, saying something like “Beck Fails to Screw Up!” or “Gadzooks! Beck delivers a legitimate criticism” or even “Hey! Here’s one that Beck didn’t just make up!”
    2) One of Obama’s underlings is found to have committed a political indiscretion (we’ll leave the discussion of the relative thresholds of Democrat vs. Republican indiscretions for another thread). Underling is called on it. Underling admits error and apologizes. Presumably, underling and Administration learn something from this episode and move on.
    So why does the MSM (that’s you, MS) portray this as “bad for Obama” and “good for Beck”? Shouldn’t admitting and learning from errors instead be portrayed as evidence of a healthy and functioning organization, as opposed to the Rovian denial and promotion of the up-screwers that we endured through the Bush years?

  • pafro

    I wish he wouldn’t have backed down from his statement that Republicans are a**holes. All you have to do is go to a Republican website and look what they are saying about Obama’s birth certificate or whether he can talk to children to see Van Jones knew what he was talking about.
    I think that the Bush Administration had plenty of evidence that something big was coming up on the radar, but it was coming from Clintonites they were trying to unload and didn’t trust like Richard Clarke, and from the CIA, which was a department they were convinced was a liberal hotbed out to screw them over.
    Does that make me a Truther?

  • Joe Bftsplk

    OK, after a few minutes of reflection, I can point out the contrast more clearly:
    A: Confronted with evidence, Democratic underling backs off over-the-top claims.
    B: Confronted with evidence, Beck (et. al.) nonetheless clings to patently false claims.
    By what game rules does Beck come out looking better here?

  • square1

    Is there a more degrading human experience than having Rahm Emanuel tell you to apologize for using profanity?

  • textee

    Given the fact that 65% (sixty-five percent!) of Democrats are 9/11 Truthers who “think” that George W. Bush had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, I highly doubt that Van Jones is the only whack job Truther working for Obama. I’ll wait for the Washington press corps to reveal, immediately, the names of the other Truthers infesting the White House. Not….

  • apollyon07

    Re: the notion of there being a Communist in the Executive Branch: My only concern is that this will be compared to the Second Red Scare, when there actually WERE Communists working in the Executive. Lots and lots of them.

  • apollyon07

    SHRIEK! HYPOCRITE!!!!

  • karathrace

    Re: 11
    Textee please cite your sources. It’s difficult to judge your legitimacy when you just make up, I mean state, things with no attribution.

  • textee

    karathrace:

    Sorry, it’s only 61% of Democrats who are whack job Truthers. Thank God that there are at least 39% of Democrats who are not Truthers. Here’s the link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

    “Friday, May 04, 2007

    “Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.”

  • homerhk

    Seriously, who gives a crap about this other than the lunatics? Obama surrounds himself with people of all sorts of different political views; his one abiding thing has been to find areas of agreement with people, who otherwise might be philosophical and political opposites, and then working with them on the particular area of expertise. Surely we should encourage that, whatever else we can complain about?

    I remember reading something (I actually think it was an old Time article) about how one of President Obama’s closest friends in the senate was Tom Coburn – yes the same loony wingnut we’ve heard saying outrageous thing – but of course this hardly gets noticed. I for one am glad that the President is able to hear differing and opposing points of view.

  • gysgt213

    Just another classic example of why Democrats just do not get it.

    I feel like I have been watching a foot ball game where one team is playing touch in shorts and jerseys while the opposing team is playing full on tackle in full gear, for the last 8 months.

    Our hapless Democrat said and did some stupid things. But who hasn’t and that is not why I call him hapless. He is hapless because he probably thinks that he can just apologize and put this in the past for him and the administration. Maybe in a fair and just world people would accept his apology and move on. But that is not how republicans roll.

    An apology should be about forgiveness. But the republicans are not going to forgive Van because they literally hate him and everything his boss stands for. They are going to accept Van’s apology in the spirit of a club to be used at a later date to beat Obama about the head and shoulders.

    The only question now is does Van resign today or while Obama is giving his apology for attempting to provide everyone with health care speech.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Beck, who has had as good an August run”

    “His new book… hits store shelves September 22.”

    Why in heavens name is MS pimping Beck?

    Oh that’s right MS has a certain soft spot for those types.

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/04/team-obamas-petty-limbaugh-strategy/

  • aristc

    “[Beck's] brand of entertainment broadcasting–a sort of grab bag of candied popcorn populist outrage”

    And here you have it. It is indeed rare for a representative of a particular professional mentality to illuminate so clearly and succinctly with one simple statement why that mentality is destructive to the cultural fabric of a nation: When a dangerous sociopath like Beck, who shows a total indifference to facts and is apparently entirely devoid of either empathy or a conscience, is excused by a professional “journalist” as merely an entertainer dealing in “candied popcorn populist outrage,” it becomes crystal clear why the crazies have managed to hijack what ought to have been a reasoned discussion over fixing health care and turned it into a treacherous, extremist political movement.

    What’s wrong with Scherer and his ilk? They are not idiots, they’ve been to college and must have studied a little history. Are they really incapable of distinguishing between raunchy entertainment and the corrosive effect of having demagogues with microphones and cameras spew vile lies day after day to millions of frustrated, uninformed cretins? Yet our mainstream “journalists” seem incapable or unwilling to call Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Dobbs, and all the other TV and radio screamers what they really are: radicals who will stop at nothing in their effort to delegitimize and render impotent a democratically elected government. They started with Clinton and by now they’re really figured it out and they know exactly how to ferment irrational rage.

    Every age has its paranoid radicals who have no respect for democratic institutions. In civilized counties the gatekeepers of public discourse understand that while anyone should be able to say whatever he wants, not everyone is worth listening to. It used to be the same here. But now the nutjobs who would be screaming in Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner if they were in the UK are on prime time TV and Scherer thinks one of them is an entertainer.

  • chrisnbama

    You know, if we are going to start in with a puritanical witch hunt to remove the “truthers” from the government, we should also do the same for the “birthers”. Afterall, we have several republican congress critters who have signed on to the birther nonsense.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    It is like some insidious disease, perhaps power is so much like crack that Republicans are willing to do anything to get another swirl of the bowl. Because hyping Glenn Beck has to be the equivalent of being on your knees at 3:00 in the morning, searching through the carpet for any thing that resembles the white rock. How demoralizing it must be to find only lint. Glenn Beck Mikey?
    .
    These smack heads oppose President Obama speaking to their children, yet they don’t seem to worry that some day the will have to face their children and explain why they used every despicable means at their disposal, including fomenting armed insurrection to try and destroy a Democratically elected President.
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    I suppose their sense of entitlement is so insatiable that they won’t care that their children will judge them as being shamelessly devoid of integrity, decency, or morality. Personally I can’t wait for the day you try to teach your children not to lie, cheat or steal. Because if there is one thing I can guarantee, it’s that teens will take everything you do and throw it back in your hypocritical face. And Mikey, fair warning, there is nothing that will send you to the pipe faster than the need to escape a look of shame and disgust on your child’s face — Glenn Beck MIke? Clearly, you will have earned yours.

  • gysgt213

    Michael-I’m sure Beck appreciates you plugging his book.

  • rustyreturns

    Clearly the “Truthers” are right here. Reading through the mounds of garbage and excuses being given by the liberal posters on this page is truly unbelieveable.

    Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is and avowed Communist. He has made that very clear on many occassions.

    Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is a racist, Black National Liberation member.

    Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is currenlty Obama’s “Green Job’s Czar”, responsible for over 80 MILLION dollars of Stimulus money, and he will decide how that money will be spent.

    Further questions should be to the Obama Administration:

    1. Who knew about this man? Who knew he held these very RADICAL beliefs?

    2. Who was responsible for “vetting” this guy before he was given the position of “Green Jobs Czar”?

    3. Why is Obama not disavowing this man, just like he did with Jeremiah Wright?

    4. Why is the President of the United States allowing Van Jones to continue within his Administration now that this information has come to light?

    Why? Because Obama knew clearly what Van Jones’ beliefs are and were in the past. Valerie Jarrett in her own words said Obama and she have known Jones “ever since his days at Berkley”.

    Now the questions about Obama himself. Why does this man prove time and time again he has no ability what-so-ever to choose people WITHOUT RADICAL backgrounds?

    Or, is it that Obama himself believes exactly what these people he associates himself with is TRUTH?

    If Obama also believes in this ULTRA LIBERAL CRAP, then it is time for Obama to GO!! IMPEACH THE IDIOT!

  • grape_crush

    Well said.

  • somepeoplelikeit

    I don’t think GW Bush had anything to do with 9/11 for one simple reason: It worked.

  • rustyreturns

    For those of you who want to COUNTER the Color of Change’s boycott of Glenn Beck’s sponsors, here are the email addresses you can make your voice known to these sponsors for listening to the likes of Color of Change.
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    For Direct TV
    cs@DirectSatTV.com
    Customer Service:
    1-800-595-4101
    Monday – Friday
    8:00am – 9:00pm EST
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    Bank of America
    https://www2.bankofamerica.com/contact/?lob=general&contact_returnto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebankofamerica%2Ecom%2Fcontact%2F%3Fstatecheck%3DPA&state=PA
    ,
    General Mills
    http://consumercontacts.generalmills.com/ConsolidatedContact.aspx?page=http://www.generalmills.com/corporate
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    If you also believe that the above 3 companies have aligned themselves with one of the most RADICAL groups, Color of Change, in America today. Please voice your concerns to them immediately.

  • tomdegan

    Not since Joe McCarthy shuffled off this mortal coil in 1957 has anyone made a career by accusing people of being communists. Glenn Beck has resurrected the practice. Not only has he found a cabal of secret communists, he has uncovered an entire communist corporation chock full of commies. The name of this company, you may ask?

    THE NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY!

    You heard me right, boys and girls. The network that gave us Uncle Miltie and Ma Perkins has apparently been secretly sending subliminal messages endorsing Marxist doctrine since it was formed in 1926. This would make perfect sense to me. Every time I watched the Rockford Files I had an unexplainable desire to read Das Kapital. But seriously, folks. Twenty years after the fall of the Soviet Union, red baiting not only seems silly, it’s also kind of nuts. It’s not-at-all surprising that an organization would give this idiot a forum (after all, he’s on FOX Noise). What’s really stunning is the fact that his ratings are relatively high and that so many Americans take his word as gospel.

    All kidding aside, half-witted ideologues are a dime a dozen. What separates Glenn Beck from his peers is the fact that he is doing some serious damage to the country he professes to love so much. For all of the comparisons to the Nazis he likes to make with respect to Liberals, Beck’s program has much in common with Adolf Hitler’s 1923 screed, Mein Kampf. Eighty-six years ago, Hitler attempted to arouse the anger of his fellow Germans by spouting half truths and utter nonsense – exactly what Glenn Beck is doing in 2009. So much of the insane dialogue that has been spewed forth at these Town Hall meetings across the country in recent weeks might have been lifted straight from a transcript of Beck’s program.

    Beck and his strange ilk have done the impossible. They have deflected the blame for America’s current economic distress from where it should be aimed toward a man who is trying to clean up the mess that was created – in large part – by people like Glenn Beck. They have also let loose with a vengeance the very worst angels of the American nature. Opening Pandora’s box was relatively easy. Closing it might prove to be a bit of a problem.

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan
    Goshen, NY

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Well that’s a first Rusty, we should impeach the president because he broke what law exactly — being President while black?

  • freeinpa

    rusty you hit the nail on head. Once again the liberals when caught in being honest as the clips of Van Jones has shown, they immediately attack the deliver of the news by questioning their integrity or sanity. Not once do they address the real issue. It is also telling the general reaction of the public when these liberals are caught telling their true feelings and their backpedaling

    This guy is not a supposed communist because Beck is accusing him of being one but by the fact he admits it. If a republican nominee for an administration post uttered half of the crap this guy did, liberals would be burning the streets.

    They also then jump on their favorite punching bags (O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity) as liars but never seem to mention Schultz, Olbermann, Matthews or Maddow. Schultz recently said he never saw a single democrat compare Bush with Hitler. There are tons of archived info to the contrary. The problem with liberals is they believe if they say something, it is the truth regardless of reality. And only they know the truth.

    Want honest debate? Start by not lying to yourself.

  • demsdebreaks

    Joe, you took the words right out of my mouth…and assembled them quite nicely! :) I find it unbelievable that self-admitted “entertainment broadcasters” such as Beck are on a channel called Fox NEWS. They argue that the left has their own “entertainment broadcasters.” Guess what? They are on COMEDY Central and SHOWTIME, channels where you expect to find fiction. They are not on a NEWS channel whose tag line is FAIR AND BALANCED.

    I’d call what Fox News is doing anti-American and unpatriotic. Beck, Hannity and others have tapped into a large-ish audience of people who believe their lies, mostly because these people hear the lies on a NEWS channel. Fox has turned their viewers into outraged dupes, much like the villagers in “Frankenstein.” Hopefully, most will eventually come to their senses, HOPEFULLY before one of the villagers grabs their pitchfork…er…handgun and gets too close to our president. It seems to be what these ultra right-wing nutcases are angling for, what they are crafting with their messages that are taken RIGHT out of the Nazi indoctrination handbook: they HOPE they will incite someone to go off the deep end and do the dirtywork they would love to see done.

    So, Im going to add ‘treasonous’ to Fox News’ list of failings. And keep shaking my head with disbelief when the people using the Nazi tactics put a Hitler mustache on the president. Who ARE these crazy people?!?

  • michaelfury

    The “truthers” are on the right side of history.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/04/11/the-rest-is-silence/

  • aristc

    It’s against my better judgment to reply to people who USE ALL CAPS and strings of exclamation marks for emphasis since they make it too obvious that they are excitable creatures, and not really interested in debating any particular point, but would instead rather pitch a fit about whatever gets them all jiggly. But I do want to point out to anyone who happens to read the primal shriek above that here is more proof of how utterly immature and irresponsible conservatives have become.

    There are so many urgent things to worry about: two wars, a recession, unemployment, a health care system that’s more expensive and less efficient than that of any other country, humongous national debt and trade deficit, a crumbling infrastructure, potently devastating climate changes, dysfunctional government agencies, etc., etc. And what do cons obsess about? Some obscure bureaucrat, somebody nobody knew about a week ago, whose position is an advisory one, and whose crime is… well, I’m really not sure. He hasn’t done anything as far as I can tell that would be corrupt or criminal. His major trespass seems to be that he had opinions, ideals and/or associations that are not on Beck’s approved list. Oh, and he spoke the truth about Republicans one time. That’s it. Even if he were a freakin’ “Czar, responsible for over 80 MILLION dollars!” he hasn’t done anything in his job to show incompetence or sleaze. I mean, as far as we know he didn’t even use government helicopters to visit churches or mistresses or whatever Republican officials do these days.

    In a functioning democracy people’s associations, private lives, religious convictions and political ideals and beliefs should be their own. There should be no tests of patriotism or loyalty, no oaths, no pressure to conform to a lifestyle or perspective. What Van Jones or anybody else in this administration or any other, Republican or Democratic, believes or believed or will believe should be of no consequence; who their friends or relatives were or are or will be should be of no consequence. The only thing that matters is how well they do their jobs. Beck and his thought police clowns aspire to nothing less than turning America into a totalitarian country where everyone should have the “right” thoughts or else be persecuted and destroyed.

    The idea of democracy itself is predicated on disagreement: if everybody agreed on policy and politics, what’s the point of having elections? Elections are supposed to be like legal verdicts, where opposing ideas get a thorough airing and then the electorate votes, and those who lost have to accept the verdict — even if they don’t like it. We had an election, the guy with the most votes was elected, and whether you like him or not, he’s the President of the United States. Those who disagree with him (and I know I do on many issues) should argue against his policies and wait a few years to vote him out of office — peacefully, civilly and democratically. However, the true radicals among us decided that elections do not matter and so we must impeach the current President because one of his advisors thought things Beck decided he doesn’t like.

  • rustyreturns

    Well dear Dee. I do believe INCOMPETENCE is grounds for impeaching anyone in this country. White, Black, Pink or even GREEN.
    .
    A President can and shall be impeached for…
    .
    “the abuse or violation of some public trust”
    .
    Nope, no laws need be broken, but the public’s trust can and should be an impeachable offense.

  • michaelfury

    Can you answer any of their questions?

    “3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/the-protection-racket/

  • michaelfury

    “7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA’s radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/clock-stoppers/

  • momentomaury

    “Bin Laden determined to strike within the U.S.” might explain that stat.
    .
    “Now watch this drive”

  • hellslittlestangel

    Well said. Scherer and his ilk are not idiots, but they are shallow and fatuous, with a knee-jerk contempt for what they consider to be ordinary people. They’re like aristocrats without portfolio.
    The real question is: why does anyone hire these people? Does anyone besides dentists (for the waiting room) buy Time magazine? Do they feel like they’re being informed?

  • billiecat

    As usual, testes, you have n o credibility.

    If 26% “aren’t sure” how do they magically become part of your “whack jobs” who “believe” GWB had “foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks”? Your New Math is creative, to say the least.

    Also, “foreknowledge” might not mean you think he had complicity – you might just think getting a CIA briefing headlined “bin Laden Determined to Attack in the U.S.” means you were aware (or at least should have been aware) that something was going to happen.

  • billiecat

    By the way, I don’t understand why nobody has pointed out the obvious typo in Beck’s book title. Almost as bad as the missing “c”.

  • momentomaury

    Alternatively, you can thank the 11 new companies who have decided that a raving paranoid xenophobe isn’t the best representation of their products.
    .
    Binder & Binder, Capital One, The Dannon Company, Discover, HSBC, ICAN Benefit Group Insurance, Infiniti, Jelmar (manufacturer of CLR All-Purpose Cleaner), Jordan McKenna Debt Counseling Network, Mercedes-Benz and Simplex Healthcare (creator of the Diabetes Care Club)

  • aristc

    “This guy is not a supposed communist because Beck is accusing him of being one but by the fact he admits it. ”

    So?

    What is it you Beck thought police clowns don’t understand about living in a free country? In democracies thought-crimes do not exist. You can subscribe to any economic ideology and be free from persecution, as well as prosecution. That’s what freedom is all about! Without freedom of thought and association we have no other freedoms. Whether Van Jones is an admitted communist or a subscriber of another economic ideology does not matter. Has he done anything that’s against actual, you know, laws?

  • freeinpa

    Yes you can. And the American public has a right to protest when any “appointed” official” proposes to offer programs that run contrary to overwhelming majority.

    And if you are a strong believer in such freedoms I assume you have a rabid opposition to hate speech which is the pride and joy of the left.

  • constantweader

    I don’t think Jones should have responded at all. It is undignified to let a TV clown drive the White House. Had a phalanx of actual legislators (and could they be far behind? Michele Bachmann, Virginia Foxx) or others with standing raised issues, it would have been appropriate to address them.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • res123

    It is a new low in journalism that Time Magazine would give Glenn Beck’s paranoid, hysterical and dangerous rantings any credence.

    If something happens to President Obama or anyone else, I will hold people like Glenn Beck responsible. They are feeding lies, period. And for Time Magazine not to realize that and denounce what he is doing is pathetic and they will be culpable if one of these nutcases does anything.

    Shame on you Time Magazine, shame on you!

  • nflfoghorn

    Is “Arguing with Idiots” simultaneously autobiographical and introspective ?

  • nflfoghorn

    “…the broadcaster poses on the cover in what looks like a German or Russian World War II military uniform…”

    Oh great. First Der Fuhrer, now Der ****-up.

  • nflfoghorn

    I take it you mean ‘arguing’ should be replaced by ‘agreeing.’

  • rustyreturns

    SHORTER aristc:
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    I am glad that i got your attention!!
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    It may not phase you that one, if not many, of the Obama Administration cronies are Communist. However, it does offend me.
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    It may not phase you that this man has control over not 80 million but 80 BILLION dollars of Stimulus dollars at his disposal. My mistake for the misrepresentation of how much money IS at his disposal.
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    I do believe that any President should set the standard, and Obama clearly has shown now and in the past that his associations “clearly show who I am and what I am about”, using his own words.
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    You may very well be a communist, and so be it, if so. I happen to believe in OUR system of democracy, not some lunatics idea of what we should be, and now has the means to make it happen through his association and promotion by Obama to his position as “Green Job’s Czar”. With a statement like this…
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    ” What Van Jones or anybody else in this administration or any other, Republican or Democratic, believes or believed or will believe should be of no consequence; who their friends or relatives were or are or will be should be of no consequence.”
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    I am absolutely not surprised you take the stance and opinion about Van Jones. Your “Colors of Change” are very evident. It is evident that you are just another liberal nutjob who is pleased and happy with this comedy called a President.

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    You truly under estimate the people of this great country. You are one of the minions in Obama’s Communist troops who are a threat to this country as you clearly state in your diatribe.

  • ylikyote

    All I want to know is why doesn’t Time Magazine investigate Van Jones himself to verify or not Beck’s claims instead of casting Beck as some off the wall wierdo (candied popcorn populist outrage).

    I think Time magazine has slid downhill and is obviously slanted left.

    There is no reporting done on Van Jones only a defense of him.

  • esblofeld

    Who cares if Van Jones used to be a communist? Many of the most staunch anti-Communists of 20th century were former communists, and who famously dubbed the USSR as “The God Who Failed” after Stalin’s brutality and the disaster of collectivization became apparent.

    I also think it’s inappropriate to have the “truther” label apply to both people who thought Bush knew about the attack and those he think he caused it. Both are absurd, but the former is basically the same thing people have been saying about FDR and Pearl Harbor for 60 years.

  • shadowmom

    If he’s not a TRUTHER, he must be an anti TRUTHER, otherwise known as a pro LIAR. Why, after all the lies told by the Bushies, is this the ONE LIE that has to be supported? GOOGLE “9/11 FACTS” – for documented information, not theory about the information withheld from the American public.

    And, where is HIS proof to substantiate his denial?
    http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need.html

  • richardvulich

    There is nothing strange or insane about the idea that the bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Many people have forgotten that a third high rise building that was not hit by an airplane collapsed into a pile on 9/11, building 7. Now at a minimum somebody had to have ensured that this building would collapse in this way in advance of the attacks, or the building never would have imploded in that fashion. If you really believe that fires could cause a collapse of that nature then I suggest you consult a high school physics textbook. Although it is a disturbing set of facts, it is intellectual courage that causes us to seek understanding about those events, not insanity. I would hope that people looking at this comment refrain from ad hominem attacks and give credible arguments as to why it is so “crazy” or “fringe” to believe that the bush administration assisted in the demolition of all 3 high rise buildings on 9/11.

  • http://octobia.wordpress.com octobia

    thank you tomdegan for a cogent and sensible post!

  • larry278

    In the event that you think that the terrorist raids of 9/11/01 were arranged by W’s associates, check out the site CLG NEWS. Lori Price & Dr R have the goods on 1 of W’s 1st fiascos as POTUS. There isn’t any federal agency who did anything to prevent the destruction of the twin towers of the WTC & the damage to the Pentagon on 9/11/01. Those who planned & were involved in these raids were known to the intelligence community, including the CIA, DIA & FBI, well before 9/11/01 according to Ms Price, Dr R & others active in putting the blame on federal officials & the USA’s establishment.
    They have created a detailed, damning, indictment of the bums who arranged for the events of 9/11/01, allowed & encouraged the terrorists to do their very worst.

  • larry278

    CLG NEWS confirms your suspicion. CLG is the largest & best of the 9/11/01 conspiracy sites. They also deal with other fed foul ups. If you still fully trust the US Gov’t after reading CLG NEWS for 5 days, I can give you a tip on a big tri-fecta & arrange for you to buy shore front land in S Fl at unbelievably low price. This land is only 9 feet under water at low tide.

  • 3xfire3

    TO ALL MY VERY LIBERAL FRIENDS

    FACTS CAN BE SO INCONVENIENT

    Everything Glenn Beck said about Van Jones is based on facts backed up Videos of speeches given by Jones.

    Jones own words

    Is a self avowed Communist.
    Is a black nationalist
    Hates white people
    Says white polluters are poisoning minorities and emigrants in America.
    Wants a Revolution to change the entire American system of government.
    Wants to redistribute wealth in America.

    President Obama said to judge him by the people around him from whom he seeks advise.

    I find it very concerning that he has Van Jones as a Presidential Advisor. Unfortunately there are several other Presidential Advisors that are as Extreme in their views as Van Jones. I am begining to have some grave concerns about the direction President Obama is taking our country.

    Before someone calls me a racist you should know that my son-in-law is black and that I have 3 beautiful bi-racial grandaughters whom I love very much and would give my life for them. I also pay for the education of two children in Africa and two children in Guatemala. I am also a mentor to two Navajo Indian boys in New Mexico.

    Please do not answer this posting unless you go to glennbeck.com and listen to the words of Van Jones. 90% of the postings about this article are from people who know few of the facts about Van Jones.

    Jerry M.

  • 756barry

    Wow, there are a lot of uninformed people on this site with their heads firmly in the sand.

    Of course the Bush admin had foreknowledge of the attacks. That’s documented.
    They lied about that foreknowledge. Also documented.
    They obstructed the investigation and then refused to testify under oath.
    Then they and their corporate cronies profitted massively from the ensuing wars.

    This is criminology 101, people.
    Do all of the above not seem suspicious to you? Really?

  • 756barry

    Oh yeah, about Jones. He belived what was in thepetition when he signed it. Now that he’s reached the upper echelons of power, he is going along with the official story. That’s what almost all of them do. You don’t get into power if you speak the truth about things, like 9/11, that threaten that very power.

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  • vaconf

    as a 3rd party admirer,i think dems and repubs are crooked,slimey,congressmen/women,but to have a former felon/communist revolutionary/marksist,foul mouthed idiolog is contemptable to all Americans,if you support Van Jones then you are as un-American as he and Rev. Wright are.you all wanna blame each other for being idiots, take time to look in mirror,then Think,I know by reading your blogs that is difficult for many of you to think, BUT TRY!If you persist, I see this America of ours becoming an Anarchist state GOD FORBID!!

  • vaconf

    If all of us keep calling each other names and threatening each other,they win,divid and conquer,as a 3rd party admirer(libertarian)i see the problems with both sides,corruption,lying,cheating on taxes (more then 3 instancesfor good Ole Charlie)do you on Democratic side realize he is stealing from you also?anyway Van Jones is an avowed Communist,marksist,felon(convicted)black panther recruiter and now he’s sorry for it all? Maybe so is Charles Manson!shall we forgive him too?but the 9/11 truther is the ice cream on our cake and an American President trusts him? Obama stated “Judge me by the people that surround me” OMG guilty!!!

  • vaconf

    another childish reply as usual,you will yourself change when Obama don’t make your house and car payments

  • mwswyers

    One can clearly see that more questions were intentionally left unasked than answered by the highly politicized 9/11 Commission Report. Just reviewing the public record of events and the standard operating procedures of the various agencies responsible to respond to these hijackings shows unequivocally that there are inconsistencies in “the official story” that have very disturbing implications. Many people who do not believe “the official story” of 9/11 also do not believe it is appropriate to assign blame until after a full and independent investigation is made, not a whitewash. This is what is done in democratic societies.

  • 756barry

    So, vaconf (and everyone else who refers to 9/11 students as “whack jobs”), are you telling me that you believe the government’s explanation for what happened on 9/11? Really? There is no part of the official story that you find suspicious? Really?
    You believe that one of the hijackers’ passports made its way out of his pocket or out of his suitcase and went through the fireball, through the wreckage, only to be found in pristine condition on the street below?

    There are hundreds of questions like this that I could ask, but I’ll just start with that. You believe that?

  • vaconf

    let me ponder this,Mr. Jones is a Czar,hmmm Czar meaning extreme leader,back when Nicholas took over Russia in 1917,but actually originated with julius Caesar being the last syllable of his name tsar/czar/tcar,so Van Jones is extreme leader?we have 35 other Czars,does that mean 36 extreme leaders?I am so confused with this idelogy,what does that make Obama? Extremly extreme leader?and why he did that? NO congressional confirmation,which I doubt Mr. Jones or many others would pass, even with a Democratic fillabuster proof Congress.

  • mwswyers

    Before you make up your mind about 9/11, read:
    Meyssan, Thierry (2003). Pentagate. USA Books. ISBN 1592090281.
    Tarpley, Webster Griffin. 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.
    Griffin, David Ray (2006). 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1. Olive Branch Press. ISBN 1566566592.

  • vaconf

    I tend to agree with JONES on this 1 point A***oles,but he left out Dems also,I deal in facts, not suppositions, he (Jones) avowed himself a communist revolutionary,he signed a 9/11 truther doctrine and didn’t know it,Lemme sell him a house or car then,an a avowed black panther recruiter,an avowed marksist,a convicted felon, now what is made up here?

  • vaconf

    do you understand that when the hypurfily slanted comments come in attacking Palin/Beck/Hennity/Limbaugh you give them the total sense of credibility to 73% of the American public,just keep it up, sorrow is in the sweet parting.

  • vaconf

    seems like we were discussing Mr jones’ qualifications, what others in public life signed this document,I am not arguing on one subject as you, but his overall qualifications, delve on the other things he has said,with his own lips.

  • 756barry

    vaconf, you still didn’t answer my question. Does the government’s passport story seem credible to you or not?

  • http://jtk3.wordpress.com/ John T. Kennedy

    Scherer writes: “In other words, he does not spend his time organizing the proletariat to seize the means of production, or whatever.”

    But in April 2008 Van Jones said: “Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said, ‘OK now we want reparations for slavery, we want redistribution of all the wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages.’ If we’d come out with a maximum program the very next day, they’d been laughed at. Instead they came out with a very minimum. ‘We just want to integrate these buses.’

    “But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1964 to 1968 complete revolution was on the table for this country. And, I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages. Right now we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to something eco-capitalism where at least we’re not fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No, it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond the systems of exploitation and oppression altogether. But, that’s a process and I think that’s what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats that people are willing to be both pragmatic and visionary. So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

    ———————-

    So Jones has made very plain what he intends to do as Green Jobs Czar.

  • vaconf

    I must reply to this. as a Libretarian ,I ask what is NOT the truth that Mr Beck has said about JONES, who has said more about himself then even Beck has said,is the liberal media the only place Dems get news,I think not, FOX has more watchers/listeners then MSNBC/CNN/and the rest combined,FACT not a republican madeup storey,you liberals tend to attack these personalitiesand it gives them more credence then they could but, I guess they say TY>

  • vaconf

    no,i am not a truther,i live very close to sites,and saw the fighters scramble to shoot some one down,thats like saying kennedy ass. was a conspiracy maybe maybe not,till i know for sure i will not engage in theory,fact is fact and never changes.

  • rschop

    The petition signed by Van Jones said that an investigation should be under taken to see if US government officials intentionally had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

    But we now have iron clad proof of that US government officials intentionally had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place, proof that comes directly from the information from US official government sources, like the DOJ IG report, the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, lead FBI investigator on the USS Cole bombing, and the documents now located on the US government official court web site for the Moussaoui trial for the evidence items entered into this trial.

    This information including many of these documents are located at http://www.eventson911.com along with a summary of the events at the CIA and FBI HQ prior to the attacks on 9/11, connecting all of the dots and referencing the exact document and the exact page number for every item listed in the summary.

  • dfpetrano

    Like Van Jones, I’ve been a 9/11 truther since day-1.

    The “official” 9/11 story is BS. Eisenhower established NORAD protocal that would have scrambled fighter-jets after the hijacked planes w/i several minutes of the hijackings. Hijacked airliners were always ordered to be intercepted/shot-down b-4 flying over NYC/DC airspace.

    Now we are needlessly fighting foreign wars to stop another “terrorist” attack even though we have adequate way/means to stop terrorists on our own shores w/o sending troops.

    Van Jones has the vision necessary to meaningfully lead us into a future facing abrupt climate change.

  • eightbelles08

    I read your book and it’s clear that the theories of playing CYA over the Cole Bombings lead to the suppression of “sounding the alarms” about the imminent 9/11 attacks.

    You pose some interesting theories, and I think you make a good case for “what really happened.”

  • 3xfire3

    ylikyote – You are absolutely correct in your comments.

    Time and all the other MSM refuses to investigate anything that might tarnish the Obama Administration. Our country’s founders believed a free press was necessary for our democracy. They would be very disappointed if they saw the sorry state of our MSM that does not print facts but promotes their own agenda and gives the left wing of our political sysytem a free ride.

    Liberals you may have noticed are totally closed minded. They tend to be haters. What they don’t understand is that extreme left wing liberalism is only about 10% of the American population. They make a lot of noise with their extreme views but do not represent the vast majority of Americans. They really don’t like or trust most Americans.

    They are a small minority that really doesn’t like their country.

  • http://www.xanga.com/Amythist_Malaise sheila0405

    Signing the 9/11 Truthers online petition is the least of Van Jones’ problems. He needs to disavow his statements that whites deliberately poison minorities, and disavow Communist tactics. He needs to publicly support the Constitution & pledge his support for our Republic.

  • http://jtk3.wordpress.com/ John T. Kennedy

    “But we now have iron clad proof of that US government officials intentionally had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place,…”

    Then get to Obama stand by that proof.

  • 756barry

    Don’t you see? Van Jones if further proof that almost no one in government (thank you Rep. McKinney) will say what is so plain to see about 9/11. Jones told the truth before he got into the upper reaches of power. Once there he backpedals from all those statements. Happens all the time.
    But just because the government is covering something up doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. Obviously.

    The government knew about 9/11.
    After it happened, they lied about that foreknowledge.
    Then they obstructed the investigation.
    Then they profitted off it all.

    Does that seem suspicious?

  • 3xfire3

    All of you people who believe the U.S. Government was somehow involved in 9/11 are a bunch of Nut Cases.

    You are probably the same characters that believe in UFOs.

  • 756barry

    Challenge me on the issues. If name calling is the best you’ve got, you’re admitting that you don’t have any facts.
    One more time:
    If you believe the government’s version of events, you believe (among many other things that violate the laws of physics) that a hijacker’s passport could make its way out of his pocket or suitcase, get through that huge fireball, through the collapse of a 110-story building, and land in perfectly legible condition on the street below.
    Do you really believe that’s possible?
    And you say I’m the nut case?

  • 756barry

    To the 3xfire3′s of this site (of which there are an alarming number),

    Do you find it at all odd that Building 7 collapsed at free fall speed when it wasn’t hit by a plane?

    Does it seem the least bit suspicious that the president’s dad was having breakfast with bin Laden’s brother when the attacks occured?
    (If you say no, then would you have been okay with it if Clinton’s dad was dining with Timothy McVeigh’s brother the day of OKC? You can’t have it both ways.)

    Do you think the government has ever lied to further an agenda (hint: google Gulf of Tonkin)?

    Debate me on these points and we’ll see who the “nut case” is.

  • angelajones831

    You said: “Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is and avowed Communist. He has made that very clear on many occassions.”

    This is based on a statement made in a 2005 East Bay Express article that chronicles the evolution of Van’s political views. Of course, it ignores the part of the article that clearly states that Van’s views changed in 2000. Anyone who reads the article in its entirety would soon discover that the statement is take out of context and twisted.
    Here’s the link to the article being repeatedly referenced:
    http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/the_new_face_of_environmentalism/Content?oid=290098&showFullText=true

    (I dare you to read the whole thing.)

    You said: “Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is a racist, Black National Liberation member.”

    I’m sure his Caucasian wife and two mixed-race children are happy that you informed them.

    You said: “Accept it as FACT people. Van Jones is currenlty Obama’s “Green Job’s Czar”, responsible for over 80 MILLION dollars of Stimulus money, and he will decide how that money will be spent.”

    First of all, there is no such thing as a “Green Jobs Czar”. Secondly, Van is not an adviser to the President, he is an adviser to a COMMITTEE. Thirdly, his job is not to dispense any money, it is to help write policies.

    Once again, hate- and fear-mongers are putting forth fiction as “fact” before they know what they are talking about. Yes, Van has made some outrageous statements in his role as activist/community organizer, but many were made in jest or as the use of imagery with which his audiences could identify. Instead of being spoon-fed information, people should really do an independent investigation of ALL of the information available.

  • rschop

    This proof already comes from the US government’s own official source’s and web sites for the Christ sake.
    How much more proof do you need. See http://www.eventson911.com for more details on this and even the actual US government documents that prove all of this.

    Not only did the CIA and FBI HQ not give the FBI investigators on the USS Cole bombing the information on the people who were at the Kuala Lumpur meeting planning the Cole bombing and also the attacks on 9/11, Mihdhar and Hazmi, who were on AA Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, but then they shut down the Cole bombing investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, when these FBI investigators accidentally found out that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US, knowing that as a result of their actions thousands of Americans would perish in the al Qaeda attacks they knew were about to take place inside of the US.

  • 3xfire3

    756barry

    Please review 38 above and give me your opinion.

  • rschop

    From prior post: “All of you people who believe the U.S. Government was somehow involved in 9/11 are a bunch of Nut Cases.”

    I would agree with you on this except for one very inconvenient horrific fact.

    There is now US official documents that state that the CIA knew in July 2001 that Khalid al-Mihdhar and by association Nawaf al-Hazmi were going to take part in an upcoming al Qaeda terrorist attack the CIA knew was about to occur inside of the US. See DE #939 on http://www.evertson911.com.

    In email on July 23, 2001, back to his CIA CTC mangers, which most likely included Cofer Black head of the CTC and George Tenet, CIA officer Tom Wilshire noted that Mihdhar will be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack.

    Just after this, it is noted in this DE #939 that Mary, aka Margaret Gillespie, a FBI IOS agent at the CIA Bin Laden unit, tells FBI Agent Dina Corsi and CIA officer Tom Wilshire that Mihdhar and Hazmi are known to be inside of the US. But neither Corsi or Wilshire notify anyone at the FBI criminal units, and Corsi even shuts down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar on August 28, 2001, claiming that the information he would need came from the NSA and she did not have approval to give this information to him and his Cole investigating team.

    Unfortunately from DE 448 we find out she had already gotten approval to transfer this NSA information on Mihdhar and Hazmi to the FBI Cole bombing investigators on August 27, 2001. OOPS!

    When Bongardt asked Corsi to get a ruling from the legal unit at the FBI the NSLU, because he feels that the NSA information had nothing to do with any FISA warrant, and that Mihdhar and Hazmi were clearly inside of the US only to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack, she tells Bongardt on August 29, 2001 that they ruled he and his team could again not have anything to do with any investigation of Mihdhar.

    Unfortunately again from 9/11 Commission report, page 538, footnote 81, we find out that Corsi had fabricated this ruling and that Sherry Sabol the attorney Corsi had contacted had said that Bongardt could take part in any investigation of Mihdhar since the NSA information had nothing to do with a FISA warrant. ANOTHER OOPS!

    This also overlooks the fact that both Corsi and Wilshire knew that on August 22, 2001 when they were told Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack, both knew that the CIA had been hiding the photograph and the identification from this photograph of Khallad Bin Attash from the FBI Cole investigators. This photograph of the mastermind of the Cole bombing had been taken at Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda meeting actually planning the Cole bombing with Mihdhar and Hazmi, information that both the CIA and FBI HQ were aware of, indicating that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were involved in planning of these attacks on the USS Cole, a crime that clearly meant that that there was no reason what so ever for the CIA and FBI HQ to hide the identities of the al Qaeda terrorists who took part in this attack from the very investigators who were investigating this crime, particularly when the CIA and FBI HQ knew Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US to carry out another terrorist attack.
    YET ANOTHER HORRIFIC OOPS!

  • ldenton

    Or could Color of Change “be taking down Beck’s sponsors one by one” because Beck began investigating Van Jones? Hmmm . . . which came first? The investigation of Van Jones, by several months. You figure it out, genius.

  • ldenton

    Takes one paranoid radical to recognize another. Of course, there are no such “cretins” on your side, are there?
    Folks like you are just livid when someone as “uneducated” as Beck actually find proof of their allegations. Evidence: the multitude of audio and visual tapes of Van Jones spouting his nonsense. Really gets your goat, doesn’t it?

  • 756barry

    3xfire3,
    You didn’t respond to a single one of my points. But, since you asked, I did read #38 and I did listen to the audio on Beck’s site. Here’s what I think:

    As for Jones being a self avowed Communist–I didn’t hear him say that, and anyone who is against the corporatocracy gets labeled as “communist” or “socialist” by the Glenn Becks of the world. I don’t buy it.

    Is a black nationalist–I don’t even know what that means and I don’t care.

    Hates white people–ridiculous on its face.

    Says white polluters are poisoning minorities and emigrants in America–farm workers exposed to chemicals=fact. The Tuskeegee Experiment=fact.

    Wants a Revolution to change the entire American system of government–The American government is broken.

    Wants to redistribute wealth in America–If this means rolling back Bush tax cuts and making corporations pay their share, I’m all for it.

    Now, are you going to respond to any of my points?

  • rschop

    To 3xfire3,

    Please read post 55.2 and reply back as to why you do not believe that there is not now iron clad poof that the CIA, and FBI HQ intentionally allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place, from documents that are from the US government!

    All of this is now documented on http://www.eventson911.com, with the very documents that back all of this up, documents down loaded directly from US official government web sites and sources.

  • angelajones831

    Okay, Jerry…If you cannot be called a racist because your son-in-law is black and you have biracial grandchildren…then Van cannot be called a racist because his WIFE is white and his children are biracial. Maybe YOU should check your facts.

  • angelajones831

    What is wrong with transforming the whole society? The Civil Rights movement was a revolution that happened, and continues to happen, in phases. And it was/is about more than just the rights of blacks, it includes most disenfranchised and disempowered people (women, the poor, the disabled, etc).

    The Green Ecology movement is a revolution that is happening, and will continue to happen, in phases. It started with the mandates that held factories responsible for the amount of pollutants they emitted. (By the way, the started long before Van Jones was appointed to his position.) Now it is beginning to include other industries and technologies. When our country starts to use more “green friendly” standards and to incorporate minorities and the poor into the implentation of those standards, our whole society will have been transformed.

    Again, what’s wrong with that?

  • angelajones831

    3xfire3 cannot defend the statement that Van Jones is a racist and hates white people, because Van is married to a white woman! Duh! Blows that particular lie out of the water.

    The people who continue to refer to Van as a “self-avowed Communist” (a Beckism) are referring to a statement in an article appearing in a 2005 issue of the East Bay Express. Van chronicles the evolution of his political views and did say that, at one point, he considered himself to be a Communist. What people like 3xfire3 conveniently ignore is the rest of the article, in which he says he abandoned that thinking in 2000.

    Black nationalism is an ideology that believes that Black people should be responsible for identifying and addressing the problems of their communities….I’m not sure why that is a bad thing.

    People like 3xfire3 claim to do their own research, but, in actuality are spoon-fed their “facts” by Glenn Beck and his cronies.

  • mrt2

    FLASH! Republican Corporate America Feels Threatened…..
    And that makes them VERY DANGEROUS!!! BEWARE…. BEWARE…
    Because of this, they are capable of doing anything to get their way.
    Lying, cheating, framing and even worse like a wild animal backed
    Into a corner, they will use every opportunity to escape. Case in point:
    HEALTH CARE REFORM – Notice how skillfully a much needed
    Humanitarian effort to help millions who either have lost their medical
    Benefits or those who never had any benefits, have been subverted into some crazy “Communist/Socialist” plot with ultimate designs leading to some GHETTO
    Hospital Death Camps…??? Please and pass me a shovel! NO, Republicans with
    Their have vs. have not Ideology would rather see their poorer neighbors
    And their children rot in the streets than to spend a little more money to help them.
    Also, the rotting must take place in their own poor community streets.
    “NOT MY COMMUNITY” is a much heard statement these days. If that’s not
    bad enough, now they are screaming that their children are going to be DAMAGED FOR LIFE if they view/hear the upcoming presidential speech for students here in America.
    Whole school systems are reverting to the 1950s DUCK & COVER nuclear bomb
    scare tactics. Apparently when President Obama speaks children are to DUCK under their desk and COVER their ears as if tons of radioactive fallout will begin falling. Other school systems will leave it up to the teacher. They can pick and choose who to blame
    if it becomes necessary… It will. Indeed, these are very dangerous and bad times and along with bad times, the bad comes out. Subversive, conniving greed with the same
    old cover letter ‘Conspiracy’ to cover the truth is now on the scene to thwart the efforts of
    The decent and Honorable to that which serves those who are Indecent and Dishonorable…GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    FLASH…. MSG FROM GOD…. Blessing coming when REPUBLICANS understands
    What is required of them…. STOP
    Reply: Dear LORD, a few DEMS could stand to hear this, too.
    MSG FROM GOD… Done. STOP

  • jimbojane

    kattest123, read carefully. He admits he signed it. He says he doesn’t subscribe to the ideas described in the petition – in other words, he either didn’t read it carefully or he no longer agrees with what he signed. People do learn and grow and change their minds, and I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • http://getdclu.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-resigns/ Van Jones Resigns! « Get d'Clu

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  • fessorfrink

    “Anything we do to that effort, to that end, in this effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law. We do not torture.” – Pres. George W. Bush. OMG Guilty!!!

    http://www.culturekitchen.com/quotes/we_do_not_torture

    Secondly, American czars have been in the U.S. Federal Government since the 1970’s. Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush II each had them. I personally do not like using that as a title as it offends me, it’s undemocratic, but republicans act as if anything Obama does is the first time it has ever happened.
    Speaking to school children: done by Reagan and George HW Bush. Bush spoke to school children in October 1991 only a year before his reelection campaign and asked what children can do to help him in his cause.

    From USA Today – “President Bush takes to the airwaves today to promote his education goals, a day after the Education Department released a bleak report on students’ achievement. Bush is scheduled to make a noontime speech to be carried live by CNN, PBS and Mutual Radio. He’ll speak from Alice Deal Junior High School, in Washington’s affluent suburb of Chevy Chase, Md.”

    I am a proud Democrat and progressive. I do not support Obama on every issue as I did not with Clinton, but the outrageous remarks by cult of personality broadcasters have really gone from ridiculous to dangerous. They are trying to spout every half-baked theory that the American Spectator would have laughed off 15 years ago.
    We having been tearing apart as a country and no one is trying to put a stop to it. Republicans are no longer conservative, Democrats are more corporate, financial-backed moderates than anything, we’re losing civil discourse every day, and Fox News is a big part of it.

    They supported the Tea Bag rallies that were more sparsely populated than people who protested the Iraq war. They did not speak out against people bringing guns outside the perimeter where our President was to speak.

    When G W B was President, you could not even be near him to protest. They set up “free speech zones” several blocks away from any location he was at. Bush also carded people in his events so he never got a tough question, or one that was pre-planned. If he did he would have had the verbal equivalent of the time he could not open that door when he left a stage.

  • yoshiattack

    All of you truthers are unabashed idiots.

  • fessorfrink

    I really did not think that this was going to turn out to be a major discussion on 9/11 truthers. I guess that’s what they are called. Everyone has to have a catchy nickname, for what it’s worth.

    Firstly, the poll of Democrats who believed the Bush Administration knew about 9/11 in advance, should really not be part of the truthers, though I expect some are. The August 6th DOB “Bin Laden Determined to strike…” is the reason behind the numbers. Not that they caused it to occur.

    I did look at some sites back in 2007, because I felt that the Bush/Cheney (or vice versa) admin. was making very strong attempts to subvert the Constitution through extra-ordinary executive measures. The Republican controlled Congress did not mind giving Bush these powers, but as soon as a Democrat becomes President they want it all to change back (i.e. the line-item veto and the pay as you go principle).

    I found some of the theories interesting. Still do not know if it is true. I think the points about the FBI/CIA/NSA may not be as concrete as was stated above. There was always a problem sharing information between agencies. They all believe they have the right to their own information and did not pursue a sharing strategy even when it came to life or death for 3,000 people. In theory, it was why the DHS was created. So it may show the more specific conflicts between the agencies, but I do not see that as a conspiracy among those agencies. For me to believe that it would have to document proof at a much higher level than was stated. I do agree that the Administration did not want to testify under oath, was a poor choice and could plausible be explained that they wanted to avoid blame as opposed criminal behavior.

    There were some interesting discussion from physicists about the heat it takes to melt the type of metal to make the Towers fall. Also, they way the Towers fell straight down was considered suspicious. WTC 7 is also an oddity to me. I was also most curious about the lack of people on the plane logs; meaning that they were only about 25% to their capacity in rush hour flights. Who had been on a flight in that era with only that few people aboard? So that was weird, too.

    I am still leaving the issue open and hope others with more determination, talent, and independence can reach a conclusion on this very important issue (diplomatic enough?).

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  • mrt2

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT….
    Could a cell phone at the time 9/11 place a reliable phone call?
    Why did BLDG 7 Fall?
    Can Aviation Fuel actually burn hot enough to melt ALL of the steel in both towers to
    cause near FREEFALL collapse all the way to the ground?
    Are ALL of the Highjackers dead?
    And my favorite question…. Why would four different aircrews from multiple airlines
    Where as one of their PRIMARY responsibilities is to MAINTAIN THE SAFETY of
    The passengers in their care would give up the CONTROL of their aircrafts thereby failing in their primary task – THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHARGES, THE PASSENGERS… to box cutter armed highjackers/terrorists…??? Even if the highjackers were armed with guns, the aircrews DID NOT know whether the highjackers could fly the aircraft. Even if the highjackers could fly, why would any self-respecting pilot give up his or her seat without a fight??? Again, even if the pilot did and the highjackers flew let say, to Cuba and landed safely and even returned the aircraft and passengers unharmed back to the aircrew, they (the aircrew) would know that they would NEVER be allowed to fly another airliner again. They would be lucky to fly FREIGHT if at all. Giving up their airplane is like a police officer giving up him gun in a criminal encounter where civilian lives are at stake.
    Maybe one aircrew, possibly after boozing it up all night before the flight. Doing that of course would be reason enough to explain that aircrew’s bad judgment. Heck, to think
    That FOUR AIRCREWS would do such a think is doing a disservice to our Flying
    Professionals. I DON’T BELIEVE IT!!! Does that make me a 9/11Truther…? Maybe.

    But do your own research. Here is some material to get the old brain running:
    AFTERMATH: unanswered question from 9/11.
    9-11: In Plane Site.
    9/11: Press for Truth.
    911: LOOSE CHANGE. All 3 editions.
    ZEITGEIST: The Movie. Slow at first but really throws good questions later.

  • mrt2

    See comment #64… and have a great day!

  • 756barry

    Why I continue to debate trolls like yoshiattack is beyond me. Maybe I am an unabashed idiot, but here goes:

    Truthers got their name because we want the Truth. No big mystery there. We don’t feel the government has told the truth.

    Some things we find suspicious include
    1) Two planes bring down three buildings at the WTC. Hmm.

    2) Pools of molten metal under all three buildings, although jet fuel (kerosene) can’t melt steel. Hmmm.

    3) Planes get vaporized but passports survive. Hmmm.

    4) Some of the hijackers are still alive. ???

    5) Dick Cheney was running military drills on 9/11 that simulated hijackings and flying planes into buildings. What a coincidence.

    6) The administration destroyed evidence, lied about their foreknowledge, obstructed investigations, and profitted from the attacks.

    7) Ashcroft, Jeb Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and other neo-cons said they needed a “new Pearl Harbor” to get the American people to go along with their “fullspectrum dominance.” Again, what a coincidence that they got one! Who could have seen that coming.

    I could go on, but I won’t.
    Debate me on these issues and we’ll see who the unabashed idiot is.

  • 3xfire3

    756barry I am confident that you are sincere in your beliefs about 9/11. I also suspect you don’t much care for President Bush or his Administration.

    To debate you on each point you present as fact would be very time consuming so my answer goes something like this:

    For information to be a True Fact it must meet all 3 of the following criteria.

    1. It must be true
    2. It must be the whole truth
    3. It must be nothing but the truth

    The information you and others state does not meet all three of these criteria and therefor cannot be supported as truth.

    Politicians, the Media and many individuals tend to pick and choose their facts or use inaccurate data to support their own agenda.

    They are not really interested in the truth. It does not fit their belief system.

    Van Jones resigned today [was fired]. Even President Obama could not support someone in his administration who was a truther.

  • 756barry

    The Truth Deniers love to deride the rest of us as “conspiracy theorists.” Here’s the problem with that: The official story is a conspiracy theory. Nineteen cave-dwelling Arabs armed with box cutters were able to comandeer four commercial airliners and simultaneously shut down a trillion-dollar military defense force. Wow. Nothing suspicious about that.

    The BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 20 minutes before it happened. Does that seem odd?

    Steel beams weighing several tons were ejected laterally from Buildings 1 and 2 more than 600 feet. Does that sound like a “gravity driven collapse” or does it seem more likely that explosives were involved?

    For the “truthers,” the laws of physics still applied on 9/11. For those who believe in the government’s conspiracy theory, the laws of physics took the day off.
    I’m just sayin’.

  • becki9

    Arguing with idiots is exactly what anyone who talks to the ranting Glen Beck would be doing. It is so sad to lose a brilliant mind from the Obama administration because an idiot has a talk show on TV.

  • rschop

    From prior post 61:
    “I found some of the theories interesting. Still do not know if it is true. I think the points about the FBI/CIA/NSA may not be as concrete as was stated above. There was always a problem sharing information between agencies. They all believe they have the right to their own information and did not pursue a sharing strategy even when it came to life or death for 3,000 people.” see http://www.eventson911.com
    see http://www.eventson911.com

    There IS now iron clad proof that the CIA working with FBI HQ agents not only criminally withheld information from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, about Mihdhar and Hazmi, who the CIA and FBI HQ knew had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing at Kuala Lumpur, and then shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation, FBI Cole bombing lead agent in the US, of Mihdhar and Hazmi when he accidentally found out that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US.

    FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi told FBI Agent Steve Bongardt that he and his team could not investigate Mihdhar and Hazmi because the information they would need came from the NSA, but she had already been given a written release from the NSA to give this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators the day before shut down their investigation on August 28, 2001, see “NSA approves sharing Info”.

    When Bongardt asked her to get a ruling from the FBI legal unit, from page 538, footnote #81, it says she fabricated this ruling and the Attorney Sherry Sabol had ruled Bongardt could take part of any investigation of Mihdhar, when in fact she told Bongardt that the attorney had ruled that he and his team could take no part in any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

    DE 939, a document entered into the Moussaoui trail on March 11, 2006, on this web site details Tom Wilshire’s email on July 23, 2001 that says Mihdhar will take part in the next al Qaeda attack, an email he sends to his CIA CTC mangers, that (IMHO) clearly must have included Cofer Black and

    When Corsi and Wilshire were told on August 22, 2001 that Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside the US, they both knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that the CIA and FBI HQ had been warned about since April 2001. Yet they do not alert anyone in the any FBI criminal units to this massive danger who could have stopped this attack.

    Instead they worked together to shut down the only FBI criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have found them in time to have presented this attack knowing that as a result of their action thousands of Americans were going to perish in these attacks. How can you argue against the actual US government documents that prove all of this?

    The PDFs of these documents that came right from US government sources can be down loaded from this site for free!

  • rschop

    To 765barry:

    The problem with all of this talk about “the laws of physics still applied on 9/11″, or “Some things we find suspicious include” … is that it looks like that you have found no iron clad proof to answer any of these questions in almost 8 years.

    If you are still asking questions and have not found answers to these questions “yourself” after 8 years you are in real trouble.

    Do you think you will find the answers to these questions in even another 800 years?

    I don’t think so. All of the information on the attacks of 9/11 is now very well documented and already in the public domain, and no new credible undisputable information has been found on this event in several years.

    But there is already enough information in the public domain so that you can put all of the actions at the FBI HQ and CIA prior to that attacks on 9/11 back together again, with a little work.

    Starting with very detailed time lines from the DOJ IG report on the FBI prior to the attacks on 9/11, and then filling the blanks, obfuscated sections and missing pieces of this report with the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, the book State of Denial by Bob Woodward, the CIA IG report and information found in the 9/11 Commission report and even the Joint inquiry report, information that is now publically available, you can put the entire story on 9/11 back together again in almost every detail.

    Each report had information that was missing from the other reports, but in the end when combined together they had virtually the entire story documented on why the attacks on 9/11 were allowed to happen. It just took 4-5 years and several thousands of hours to do this.

    But there exists today more than enough information that is publically available to be able to do this.

    Why spend the next 800 years asking the same questions getting no answers when with a little work you can actually know what took place, an account that has now also already been documented in the book, “Prior Knowledge of 9/11, located on http://www.eventson911.com.

  • whysharksmatter

    As a scientist and environmentalist, I couldn’t be happier to be rid of this clown. The message of environmentalism is too important to be communicated by lunatics who associate with the 9/11 Truth Movement.

    http://southernfriedscience.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-good-riddance/

  • mrt2

    “RSCHOP” still reads ‘Popular Mechanics’….

  • mrt2

    Now we know where the science behind the “OFFICIAL” 9/11 Story came from….

  • rschop

    No I do normally not read “Popular Mechanics”. But I saw the article on “Debunking the Conspiracies on 9/11” and called them, a David Coburn, to say they had clearly overlooking the information that was now available from the US governments own web sites and source that prove that the CIA working with FBI HQ intentionally allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

    In spite of Popular Mechanics having this information, and even that David Coburn himself also aware of this information, they have never responded by following up their straw man debunking article that was nothing more than shooting down bizarre and unsupported theories on 9/11, with the real story on 9/11 addressing why the CIA and FBI HQ intentionally allowed these attacks to take place, when the charter at both the CIA and FBI HQ was to do just the opposite, and prevent any attack on the US

    Let me repeat, Popular Mechanics has all of the information put together from US official government sources and web sites that proves that people in the US government, at the CIA and FBI HQ intentionally allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11 and they have never put any of this information into an article or real investigation on 9/11.

    What does this say about our so called main stream media. This shows what total crap they have been feeding the Americans people.

    They have never, and I repeat never been able to refute this any of information. In fact how do you argue against information that came directly from US official sources, and has been put together after several years of work to connect all of the dots. I don’t believe think is even possible.

    It turns out that there is now enough information in the public domain to put the entire account of 9/11 back together again and it all now summarized with the actual government documents on http://www.eventson9111.com. It is all there and free for anyone to down load including the PDFs of the actual government documents!

  • passingwindturbine

    Glenn Beck told the truth and backed it up with the commies own voice. It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.

    Stay tuned to Glenn Beck and let the facts speak for themselves. I think more advisors political beliefs and their practical solutions and “advice” to our to the President will be interesting information for us to judge on our behalf. Technology is a wonderful tool and record keeper. No clothes is like the naked truth. As ugly as it may appear it’s a beautiful thing.

  • mrt2

    You’re right… No clothes…Naked Truth thing… May I add: FLASH! Republican Corporate America Feels Threatened…..
    And that makes them VERY DANGEROUS!!! BEWARE…. BEWARE…
    Because of this, they are capable of doing anything to get their way.
    Lying, cheating, framing and even worse like a wild animal backed
    Into a corner, they will use every opportunity to escape. Case in point:
    HEALTH CARE REFORM – Notice how skillfully a much needed
    Humanitarian effort to help millions who either have lost their medical
    Benefits or those who never had any benefits, have been subverted into some crazy “Communist/Socialist” plot with ultimate designs leading to some GHETTO
    Hospital Death Camps…??? Please and pass me a shovel! NO, Republicans with
    Their have vs. have not Ideology would rather see their poorer neighbors
    And their children rot in the streets than to spend a little more money to help them.
    Also, the rotting must take place in their own poor community streets.
    “NOT MY COMMUNITY” is a much heard statement these days. If that’s not
    bad enough, now they are screaming that their children are going to be DAMAGED FOR LIFE if they view/hear the upcoming presidential speech for students here in America.
    Whole school systems are reverting to the 1950s DUCK & COVER nuclear bomb
    scare tactics. Apparently when President Obama speaks children are to DUCK under their desk and COVER their ears as if tons of radioactive fallout will begin falling. Other school systems will leave it up to the teacher. They can pick and choose who to blame
    if it becomes necessary… It will. Indeed, these are very dangerous and bad times and along with bad times, the bad comes out. Subversive, conniving greed with the same
    old cover letter ‘Conspiracy’ to cover the truth is now on the scene to thwart the efforts of
    The decent and Honorable to that which serves those who are Indecent and Dishonorable…GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    FLASH…. MSG FROM GOD…. Blessing coming when REPUBLICANS understands
    What is required of them…. STOP
    Reply: Dear LORD, a few DEMS could stand to hear this, too.
    MSG FROM GOD… Done. STOP

    Are you an ATHEIST…..???

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  • 3xfire3

    Lost a brilliant mind in the Obama Administration??

    Are you nuts or living in the wrong country?

    Read 38 above. People like Van Jones are whats wrong with America. If you take the time to listen to Jones on youtube and still think Obama has lost a brilliant mind you need to move to some Socialistic Country where you and Jones would be appreciated.

    Facts can be so inconvenient for those with a personal agenda.

  • http://www.defendingthetruth.com/cnn-latest-news/28547-white-house-adviser-resigns-amid-9-11-controversy.html#post260029 White House adviser resigns amid 9/11 controversy

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  • 3xfire3

    TO MY VERY LIBERAL FRIENDS

    I HATE TO BUST YOUR BUBBLE

    FACTS CAN BE SO INCONVENIENT

    “More frightening then any particular belief or policy is an utter lack of any sense of a need to test those beliefs and policies against hard evidence. Mistakes can be corrected by those who pay attention to facts, but dogmatism will not be corrected by those who are wedded to a vision. One of the most pervasive political visions of our time is the vision of Liberals as compassionate and Conservatives as less caring”.
    by Thomas Sowell
    In his book “Who Really Cares” Professor Arthur C. Brooks discusses his research on the question “Who Really Cares”. Professor Brooks admits that the facts he uncovered were the opposite of what he expected to find. So much so that he went back and checked these facts again, to make sure there was no mistakes.
    Brooks found that Conservatives, as a percentage of their income, not only donated more money to charity than Liberals do, Conservatives volunteered more of their time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donated blood.
    It was also interesting when you looked at the last 3 Democratic Presidential Candidate’s tax returns how little they gave to charities compared to the Republican Candidates. Both Kerry and Gore donated a lower percentage of their income then the national average. If you took out the amount that President Obama donated to his racist pastor and his church, he gave very little to charities.
    I find it interesting that Liberals claim to be the compassionate ones, but do so little with their own personal resources, time volunteered or simple donating blood to help others.
    They prefer to live the lie that they are the ones that actually care.
    For my liberal friend, Conservative do want good Healthcare Reform. What we don’t want is an eleven hundred page mass of confusion that would have the federal government run our healthcare system.
    If Liberals would stop demonizing Conservatives and realize we both want to help those in need, it would be a much better world.

  • mrt2

    To3xFire3……
    Hello my dear CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FRIEND, I can clearly rest easy knowing that you guys (Cool, Calm Conservatives REPUBLICANS) fix the whole problem… you came up with 1099 pages… GOD BLESS…!

  • mrt2

    More FOOD FOR THOUGHT…
    ‘INSIDE JOB :Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies’.
    ’9/11: The Big Lie’.

  • mrt2

    TO YOSHIATTACK… Your ID, wasn’t that a JAPANESE CODE WORD during PEARL HARBOR ATTACK? OH, that’s right, I forgot… PEARL HARBOR ATTACK is also a FIGMENT OF PATROITIC AMERICANS IMAGINATIONS,TOO…. in ‘SOME’ circles. Have Nice Day!

  • 3xfire3

    mrt2

    AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

    Facts can be so inconvenient.
    mrt2 Why are Liberals so closed minded that they will ignore facts unless they fit their own views?
    I’m a 70 year old white man who grew up on the wrong side of the track. My father was a factory worker and a Democrat. I went to a vocational high school and worked in a factory from age 16-18. I joined the Navy and served 4 years as an enlisted man. Came home and lived at home and worked my way through college. Got a job after graduating and went to night school for 6 years and got a Masters degree.
    I strongly believe in logic and facts.That’s is why I find Liberal views so puzzling. Liberals talk a good game but don’t seem to live it.
    I don’t believe Liberals are bad people. They just have different ideas on how to solve some problems then I do. Many Liberals tend to demonize all Conservatives without understanding that they want to solve the same problems but have a different view on the best solutions
    Help me understand..

  • mrt2

    …to thwart the efforts of
    The decent and Honorable to that which serves those who are Indecent and Dishonorable…

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  • 3xfire3

    angelajones831

    If you listen to the speeches Van Jones has given on you tube, and you still think he is not a socialist extremist racist that has no place being an advisor to the President, than you must agree with his hateful views.

    Please read 58.1 and 58.2 below.

  • mrt2

    To 3xfire3…. I commend you, sir at 70 years old and being a white male, I ‘m sure you have much you would like to see conserved. But when you CONSERVATIVES say we ‘just this’ or ‘just that’ it unfortunately comes across to some as ‘one of my best friend is…’ or ‘my children goes to school with those….’. But tell me truthly.. what is it you are trying to conserve??? Financial status? Your community? Or, something else.. like a WAY OF LIFE..??? Which in many cases if I may be TRUTHFUL here, was not fair or equal from the start. In your favor I might add… So tell me, WHY when efforts by some to try and equal the playing field so to speak (schools, healthcare, homes and community,etc), it has to be some Communistic/Socialistic plot??? Was it Communism when whites in the early 20th banded together to make sure no person of color got paid equal to their pay while performing the same task? Was it Socialism that caused a disgraceful thing such as “SEPARATE BUT EQUAL” to even be considered let alone stand as a law? So tell me, if you can, just why so many normally good and decent,christian loving patriotic AMERICANS can OPENLY and DESREPECTFULLY act so UNAMERICAN towards THEIR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT. Is it OK for CONSERVATIVES/REPUBLICANS to act as if they can become COMMIES/MARXISTS at will when it suit them?
    When it fit your purposes??? Is such an openly STUPID and SILLY act (boycott against the President’s speech to students) masquerading as some protest to the President by whole school systems and parents around the country helping in any way, a conservative viewpoint? It’s more of a frat or sorority prank on a elementary school level! Health Care… Don’t get me started. Some dim-witted politician make a off-the wall statement, NAZI Death Camps and all, and you conservatives/Republicans really showed that LYNCHMOB mentality for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE!. All for what? To conserve YOUR way of life???
    Fortunately, there are Laws in place to keep some of you conservatives from CONSERVING your way of life the WAY YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT CONSERVING…

  • 3xfire3

    mrt2 Sounds like you have a real chip on your shoulder.
    I have found in my 70 years of life that there are two sides to every story and truth is usually somewhere in between.
    You seem to be extremely closed minded.
    Let me tell you a little bit more about this Conservative Republican.
    1. As you may have read in 58.3, I grew up poor and had a level of success in my work career. I received not financial help from anyone in getting my education.
    2. I have 4 Children and 10 Grandchildren
    3. 3 of my grandchildren are bi-racial and 2 are Hispanic
    4. My son-in-law, who is like a 4th son to me, is black.
    5. Currently I am paying for the education of 2 children in Africa, 2 in Guatemala and I am a mentor to 2 Navajo indian boys in New Mexico.
    6. I sponsor an elderly man in the Philippines who is very poor.
    7. I volunteer at The Path Center [soup kitchen] one day a week.
    8. I volunteer at our church’s Food Pantry where we give food to the poor.
    9. I have paid for the construction of approx 15 homes for the poor in Mexico, Jamaica, and Haiti.
    10. I have paid for the construction of a school and a woman’s center in Guatemala.
    I donate approx 50% of my retirement income to charities each year. About half of these charities are in the U.S.

    I do not normally tell people about the work I do to help others but I think you need to understand a little about the Conservatives that you seem to demonize.

    We both want the same thing which is to help people in need. It is only our ideas of how best to do this that are different.
    Try to keep a more open mind. It’s one thing you learn as you age.
    Remember truth is somewhere in between.
    May God bless you.

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  • mrt2

    3xfire3 It’s not a chip… It’s call truth from eye level. Eye-to eye…. I guess if I was John Wayne you would have not problem understanding what I’m saying to you… But …. I’m not. So with that all that’s left to be said is UNDERSTANDING WILL ONLY COMES TO YOU WHEN YOU ARE WILLING. The world DO NOT belong just to Conservatives/Republicans alone. There will be a “THIS OLD HOUSE” for everyone and Conservatives/Republicans will have to learn to live a little less large. LIVE LONG AND PROSPER

  • mrt2

    3xfire3 Don’t think that my previoue reply belittled your charitable heart. That was not my intention and I apologized if you perceived it as such but also remember that charity begins at home and there is a system of denial for many here in AMERICA backed by the DENIALS of many that it exist…. That is where any Meaningful Dialogue Conservatives, Republicans, Liberals, Independents, etc. MUST begin.GOOD NIGHT MY FRIEND and Hug your children ,asap and I hope they here their President on Tuesday.

  • 3xfire3

    angelajones831
    Please read 58.1

  • lochgelly1

    The 911 “official story” idiots just can’t come to grips with the fact that something so insidious could occur in the U.S.

    They are the classic “you can’t handle the truth” kind of people.

    Something very evil happened that day… an until Americans as a people can get over the fact that treason and murder occurred…we will be stuck with continuing wars for oil oligarchs and the military industrial complex.

    Thanks Obama for renewing Blackwater’s contract in Afghanistan…that was good thinkin’ …you really showed us what “Change” was all about with that one………..not……………..but I digress…

    I suggest anyone who disagrees with the “truthers” do a little research….if you do enough research you will come away with one conclusion…that the official story is bogus….and btw…you might even have to learn and understand some basic physics (gasp!).

    Now exactly what happened? I wish I knew…only an extensive investigation will reveal 95% of the truth (you’ll never know it all)…

  • passingwindturbine
  • longab01

    I looked at Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth on his own website last year. Note: it was not a Birth Certificate, and it was from 2001. Obama was (is) so arrogant, he didn’t even put up a good fake. Take that all you Obama believers who were too lazy to look at his website.

  • longab01

    http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    If you look closely, it appears the back side was stamped in 2007.

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