Factual Questions Raised About 2007 Bush Administration Memo On Harsh Interrogation

On July 20, 2007, the Bush Administration’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a memo authorizing the CIA to use forced stress positions to keep certain Al Qaeda detainees awake for four days, or longer with additional approval. In making this argument, deputy assistant attorney general Steven Bradbury cited a classified CIA briefing for certain members of Congress, who, he wrote, failed to express “the view that the CIA detention and interrogation program should be stopped, or that the techniques at issue were inappropriate.”

But in my new story on Time.com, written with Bobby Ghosh, a number of people, including Sen. John McCain, say that the Bradbury account of those private conversations is inaccurate. If Bradbury was wrong about his facts, then at least part of the legal justification for harsh interrogation is also called into question.

As our article explains:

The CIA account of the congressional briefing was used by Bradbury to argue that prolonged sleep deprivation did not “shock the conscience,” a legal standard based on the Constitution’s Fifth Amendment right to due process. While “not conclusive on the Constitutional question,” Bradbury argued that the lack of objections from members of Congress following the classified briefing contributed to providing “a relevant measure of contemporary standards.” If Bradbury had concluded that extended sleep deprivation did “shock the conscience,” the technique would have been illegal under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which applied constitutional standards to the treatment of CIA detainees.

Months after memo was written, one CIA detainee was kept awake for six consecutive days in stress positions, according to recently released Justice Department documents from 2007. To read the entire Time.com story, click here.

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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the person.
    Why would “shock the conscience” prevail over these simple words stated above?
    There is no possible way that six days of sleep deprivation does not constitute a mind altering procedure calculated to profoundly disrupt the senses or person.
    .
    No legal expertise necessary. Just read the law.

  • shepherdwong

    “No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion…”
    3rd Geneva Convention

  • Art Pepper

    Michael – Thanks for keeping on this story that everyone else in D.C. seems to want to go away. But, what part of the “legal justification” for torture was ever not questionable? The fact that the Geneva Convention is “quaint,” or the fact that the executive branch is not accountable to the law, or maybe the fact that our so-called “system of law” only operates at “30,000 feet”?

  • cfukara

    ==========
    Were “crimes against humanity” committed by Bush’s USA?

    Yes.
    ==========

    So, what are we talking about?
    1) Whether the crimes were committed lawfully? Would we, and the Nazi hunters, stop to wonder if Hitler’s crimes were committed “lawfully”?

    2) Whether those who were the victims of “crimes against humanity” deserved it? Should we say that Hitler’s victims didn’t deserve it? Yet we know that most of those tortured (and those who died under torture) in Bush’s chambers of horror at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo were innocent kids, mothers, fathers and the aged.

    You are an innocent person just trying to live. Tell us again; What did Saddam’s Iraq and the Iraqi we wantonly torture and kill do to us?
    What did the Afghanistani – who we are terrorizing and killing – do to us?

    Do we vacate the moral and ethical high ground when we are the perpetrators – or is that high ground ours by right of being the ones with the most awesome weapons of human mass killing in the world? [Does "Might is Right" hold even in matters of morality and ethics? Tony Blair would give a 'yes'.]

    3) So we assert that the existence of the death camps at Auschwitz etc – and the evidence thereof (including photo evidence) – is a strong repudiation to the holocaust deniers. Why do we hide the (photo) evidence and deny eye-witness accounts that would strongly repudiate those who would deny that we committed horrendous “crimes against humanity” in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo(Cuba) and at the various destinations of our rendition trips? What is the nature of our piety?

    We take a firm pious stand against those who committed crimes in Rwanda, Liberia, Kosovo, Tienanmen square – and at the World Trade Center (USA). We even sanction Qaddafi (and killed his daughter) – even though there is not more than an Israel-fueled conjecture linking him to anything criminal. But we have here overwhelming, irrefutable evidence of horrendous ‘crimes against humanity’ having been committed.

    But we are not unduly bothered.

    And debauched, probably sadistic MS tries mightily to find a strained was-it-legal, did-the-leader-know-it, is-the-leader-culpable wiggle room. [Yea. Hitler's Germany had lawyers and propagandists to argue his view ... So does Kagame of Rwanda .. So did Pol Pot ... ]

  • stuartzechman

    lack of objections from members of Congress“?
    .
    shock the conscience“?
    .
    That’s the threshold?
    .
    The standard this guy proposed for what we can legally do to to torment people is dependent on the consciences of certain members of Congress?
    .
    This is starting to sound like a black comedy.

  • apollyon07

    The thing about that is though, that the Geneva Conventions only apply to enemy soldiers who fight under a uniform, ie not ones that camouflage themselves amongst civilians, fake-surrenduring, etc.
    .
    I’m not saying that anyone who is captured shouldn’t be treated humanely, on the contrary I think that if there was a new international agreement or even just one amongst ourselves. This type of gray area that certain people in the government is unfortunately I think the cause for much of these illegal activities occuring.

  • apollyon07

    *”This type of gray area that certain people in the government is unfortunately I think the cause for much of these illegal activities occuring.” should have been:
    .
    “This type of gray area that certain people in the government take advantage of is unfortunately I think the cause of much of these illegal activities occurring”
    .
    Sorry, been reading for classes non-stop…pretty tired.

  • hellslittlestangel

    The question I would love to ask torture apologists:

    If the mother of an Afghan detainee who died under US torture came to the US, got a gun and shot Dick Cheney dead, would you support quietly sending her home so as not to divide our country or reveal our secrets to our enemies, as a murder trial would surely do?

  • rustyreturns

    “Senator McCain clearly made the case that he was opposed to unduly coercive techniques, especially when used in combination or taken too far — including sleep deprivation,” says Brooke Buchanan, a spokeswoman for McCain.

    Where is the public out-cry (legislative debates) or legislation that Sen McCain PUBLICLY disagreed?

    During the legislative debates in 2005 and 2006, McCain argued against applying the Army Field Manual rules to the CIA, saying intelligence agencies should not be constrained by military rules.

    All the he said, she said bull-crap from our elected officials in Washington in order to cover their own political butts is nothing short of hypocrisy. Sure coming out in 2009 and stating “at the time” I disagreed, but there is no documentation or recorded minutes to prove you did just doesn’t cut it.

    In a September 2006, a Senate hearing by the Sub-committee of the Homeland Security Committee on Appropriations, Terrorism and how they are treated, arrested and held was convened.

    The HON. RICHARD A. POSNER, FEDERAL JUDGE, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT AND SENIOR LECTURER, UNIVERSITY OF
    CHICAGO LAW SCHOOL, said the following;

    I conclude that, as a matter of constitutional law, Congress and
    the President can if they want go a considerable distance in the
    direction of English counterterrorist law. It then becomes a question of policy how far we should go in that direction. And that question in turn depends on how salient a role the formal legal system, and in particular the criminal justice system, should play in the fight against terrorism. My own view is that we are overinvested in criminal law as a response to terrorism and should be trying to deemphasize (though not of course abandon) the effort to prevent terrorism by means of criminal prosecutions, especially in the regular courts, which are not designed for the trial of persons, whether military or civilian, who present a serious threat to national security.

    You see Ladies and Gentlemen, the Courts believe that Terrorists do not have the same liberties and justice as American citizens are granted under the Constitution. The argument that you read from un-knowing individuals to this site are attempting to justify their argument that simply “we have a constitution. When in fact, that Constitution only pertains to the citizens of the US, not Terrorist or Enemy Combatants from other countries who are, repeating WHO ARE out to kill, maim or in general destroy the United States and our way of life.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/british.html

    Catching Terrorists: The British System versus the U.S. System 14 September 2006 – Senate Appropriations Committee

    http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/index.html

  • rustyreturns

    And, where was the public out-cry at this time in 2006 from ANY member of Congress as a witness in these hearings against torture?
    .
    Where was Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid at this time?
    .
    Where indeed was ANYONE who was against Torture at during these hearings? Where was Barack Obama?
    .
    Where indeed.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    You see Ladies and Gentlemen, the Courts believe that Terrorists do not have the same liberties and justice as American citizens are granted under the Constitution
    .
    But the prohibitions from torture stem not from the Bill of Rights but from the clause that states that treaties properly entered into are the law of the land and that The Congress and the President retain the authority to craft and pass legislation and that the President acting alone does not have the authority to ignore such legislation duly passed.
    .
    Torture is, was and remains illegal.

  • rustyreturns

    And Dirks, your opinion, my opinion and ALL the opinions of what is and what is not torture is simply that, an opinion.
    .
    In 2006, a group of non-political appointees, Career Lawyers within the Justice Department deemed that no laws, treaties or international law was broken. That they were not going to pursue any further legal actions based on the facts they reviewed.
    .
    Nothing. That is absolutely what will be found out by Holder and his witch-hunting hench men as well in 2009.
    .
    This is purely and simply what it is a political witch-hunt with the full blessing of Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

  • rustyreturns

    I think this sums everything up very well;

    “The country would be better served if the Justice Department refocuses its priorities and allocates its resources to pressing matters — such as prosecuting the terrorists responsible for the September 11 attacks — instead of contemplating legal action against the men and women who have dedicated their lives to protecting this country,” CQ Politics quoted the letter as saying.”

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=cqmidday-000003192790

    It is simply far left extremists like this site, the World Socialist Web, who are pressing for further investigations.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/tort-a22.shtml

    It is simply organizations who back Barack HUSSEIN Obama fully which are behind the propaganda that further investigations are warranted. Simply political witch-hunting.

    Michael, is TIME part of the conspiracy as well? Are you a member of ICFI ?

  • bloodofpatriots

    rusty,

    If those folks in the Justice Department were actually using legal reasoning, you might have a leg to stand on. But it’s exceptionally clear from reading the passages of the treaties in question, in plain English, that they were not actually reading the laws and attempting to faithfully apply them.
    .
    Instead, they were looking for any loophole they could find in order to justify the war crimes that were already occurring as well as any war crimes the Bush-Cheney administration wished to see enacted.
    .
    “Good faith” is critical here, and the Bush-Cheney DOJ didn’t even know what it was, let alone try to act in accordance with it.
    .
    Your continued attempts to smear those who seek justice as Communists, America-haters and conspirists is both entirely useless and needlessly insulting. If you can’t make your point without positing that those on the other side are demons bent on the destruction of all that is good and wholesome, well, that really tells you a lot more about you and your logic than it does about the folks on the other side and theirs.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    It ought to be surprising that those who wrap themselves in the flag, and accuse fellow Americans of being less than patriotic, are so willing to have US soldiers exposed to torture, which is what the Geneva conventions are designed to prevent. Unfortunately, it isn’t surprising at all.

  • Tom in The Swamp

    Sorry, sheperd, wrong.
    .
    (I have been waiting for an excuse to say that! ;-)
    .
    While the Supreme Court in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld has not required that either members of al Qaeda nor their allies, including members of the Taliban, must be granted POW status, the Supreme Court stated that the Geneva Conventions, most notably the Third Geneva Convention and also article 3 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (requiring humane treatment) applies to all detainees in the War on Terror.
    .
    You can look it up. As of now, I do believe that determination remains the law of the land.

  • Tom in The Swamp

    Oh, crap. I was really replying to appolyon, but the stupid blkogging software forces a reply to sheperd, who is right ;-) .

    Sorry about that.

  • rustyreturns

    “Loop-holes” not-with-standing, bloodofpatriot, here is yet more proof that I was looking for from Leon Panetta’s own mouth.
    .
    “The Department of Justice has had the complete IG report since 2004. Its career prosecutors have examined that document–and other incidents from Iraq and Afghanistan–for legal accountability. They worked carefully and thoroughly, sometimes taking years to decide if prosecution was warranted or not. In one case, the Department obtained a criminal conviction of a CIA contractor. In other instances, after Justice chose not to pursue action in court, the Agency took disciplinary steps of its own.”
    .
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/panetta_spins_forthcoming_torture_report_we_were_t.php
    .
    You can read Panetta’s entire email he sent out the CIA staff in preparation of the DOJ’s announcement that they would seek further investigations into this witch-hunt.
    .
    I also like this part as well in the memo:
    “* The CIA provided the complete, un-redacted IG report to the Congress. It was made available to the leadership of the Congressional intelligence committees in 2004 and to the full committees in 2006. All of the material in the document has been subject to Congressional oversight and reviewed for legal accountability.”
    .
    It is very clear that Congress was completely aware of everything since 2004. That John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and yes, Barack HUSSEIN Obama all knew what was going on and sanctioned it by not stating any of their objections at the time.
    .
    Don’t give me your “its a crime” lecture, when everyone knew what was going on. Maybe the American public didn’t know until now, but it was condoned at the time whether by non-action or agreement with by duly elected officials of the United States Congress.
    .
    Holder serves up one purpose and one purpose only, to appease the far left. Yes, the Socialist, Communist and other neparious wingnuts of the Democrat Party that supported Obama’s election. It is political payback to them plain and simple.
    .
    However, it clearly sets a precedent that any actions made by an administration can be “investigated” after the fact, and it clearly puts the CIA in a position that will prevent the type of espionage necessary to prevent another 9/11 attack and the killing of more Americans as a result. Hopefully it is not my family members who are put into harms way by this major mistake.
    .
    Maybe you condone the actions Holder is taking, if so, then put your family members on the front lines for future attacks, but not mine.

  • pafro

    Is Bradbury the guy who is now a judge? Is lying about your transactions with Congress an impeachable offense?

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  • bloodofpatriots

    rusty,

    I’m not sure what your quote from Panetta is supposed to do for your argument other than to show that the DOJ and CIA are, by and large, continuing to work to cover each other’s behinds.

    It’s also not terribly clear whether or not Pelosi, McCain and the rest were properly briefed on the techniques being used. I’d like to see some more evidence declassified on that one. That being said, the whole of Congress, the Democratic Party and the state of Utah could have been briefed on the programs — but that doesn’t make them legal or ethical or effective, and it seems they weren’t any of the three.

    Let me be clear: For many of us, the desire to see our nation’s war criminals prosecuted is not a sectarian witch hunt. I fully expect Democrats and Republicans and Independents to fall to these investigations in about equal percentages, should they be taken to their logical conclusion.

    Finally, I *like* the precedent that an administration’s actions can be investigated after the fact. It slows down the rush of people acting like they’ve got “Get out of jail free” cards and performing whatever despicable act floats their boats with a feeling of full immunity.

    I *want* those who know they’re working the grey areas (or black areas) of the law to be fully aware that they’re risking future prosecution. I do not believe that any of these criminal acts were, or should be, within the CIA’s power, and I have seen no evidence that those war crimes were effective in saving a single American life.

    So far as the evidence shows, they were illegal, unnecessary and ineffective. I approve of Holder’s actions, so far as they’ve gone. My only complaint is the number of war criminals whose prosecutions have been placed (thus far) off limits.

    My family’s been on the front lines for our friends and neighbors in this great land since before the French and Indian War, hence my screen name. My ancestors have taught me what I need to know about risk and sacrifice for the good of our blessed nation. They’ve passed me a strong legacy of the value of sacrifice, and of the values that they’ve sacrificed for.

    Hanging in my office is a replica of an American World War II propaganda poster. It shows the back view of a man whose wrists are tied together. He’s naked from the waist up and clearly in discomfort.

    The poster is titled “torture” and the captions read, “This is the method of the enemy” and “We fight to build a free world”. It was clear to my grandfather, my great-uncle and elderly cousins who took part in that war that we fought for many reasons, and the fight against such evil was on everybody’s minds, especially once stories of the Bataan Death March and other Japanese atrocities against Americans were well known.

    My grandfather did not guide his ship into the paths of kamikaze planes (in order to protect larger, more important or less-armored ships behind him) for a country that was as lacking in moral value as Hitler’s Germany or Tojo’s Japan. He and his fellows risked their lives because America is something better, something worth fighting and dying for — or, in my grandfather’s case, suffering for over 60 years with post-traumatic stress disorder.

    It’s disturbing how conservatives are all full of bluster about how we need to remember the promises we make to our vets, but tend to have selective memory about what those promises actually were.

    In America, we promise our vets that they’re fighting for something better, the greatest and most moral nation on the planet. That’s a lot to live up to, and the torturing scum of the Bush-Cheney administration, from those who authored the “legal opinions” to the sadists in the field who enacted them didn’t even try.

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  • cfukara

    apollyon7: ” .. the Geneva Conventions only apply to enemy soldiers who fight under a uniform, “

    Tom: ” .. that determination remains the law of the land.”

    Try again.
    Have you ever said, or have you heard it said by our leaders, that “we are at war” or that “we are fighting two wars”? Do you vehemently refute the assertion each time you hear it? If not, then with whom are we “at war”?
    When the country of the USA invaded the nation of Iraq, the government of the country of Iraq responded to the invasion and thereby triggering the reference to war between two nations. When the USA invaded the country of the cave-dwellers of Afghanistan, the government of the nation of Afghanistan engaged the invaders.


    [And when the gun-totting thugs of the European countries invaded and waged war against the arrow- and spear-equipped nations of resource-rich Africa, ... debilitating reparations MUST be paid..]

    [Of course [per our MO] we may now find it convenient to strip those governments of the legitimacy that was recognized by us and ‘the civilized world’ before our acts of aggression ..
    Sufficient to observe that there are many criminals and their accomplices in our prisons and on death row who would – if they could – reword and redefine our laws that put them there ..]

    In time, aggressors may wish to qualify their actions any way they can so as to escape punishment or stigma. The facts remain. [Should others also be accorded the option to qualify their acts so as to evade accountability?]

    Can leaders and civilians from countries such as Liberia, Rwanda and Congo who have been indicted at the ICC for atrocities against civilians civil wars claim that they are being unfairly persecuted – since their “the laws of the land” made it ‘legal’ for them to take all necessary measures to put down mayhem, insurrection etc. which threaten their sovereignty?

    Which “law of the land” is the ICC observing? We implicitly support the ICC as it pursues petty criminals in weak, hen-pecked Africa. Shouldn’t the petty criminals in our civilized world – like Rumsfeld, Yoo, Rice, Cheney, … Blair who are responsible for more extensive and heinous crimes that maim, torture, kill and dislocate millions the world over – be at risk?

    As it time for men of goodwill the world over to craft an updated convention that covers heinous crimes against humanity which are committed by the mighty under cover of contrived “legitimacy” in modern asymmetric wars?

    What would be our prayer if WE were the victims of oppressive foreign adventurism?

    Does the USA reserve the ultimate authority on earth to determine what is “right” and “wrong” who among our erstwhile cronies (like Saddam Hussein) and those we hate (like the Palestinians, Baathists and the Taliban) shall be persecuted and killed? [Where is the enlightenment? Suppose, as empires go, our reign comes to an end and a mightier power comes around ... Shal we sing a different tune about "the law of the land"?

    What do we mean by "civilized community of nations" when we taunt North Vietnam or "rogue" nations like Saddam's Iraq while Israel goes about its ungodly, USA-enabled, murderous craft against civilians? Is our so-called civilized nature really beyond that of the beasts?
    Gedanken Experiment: Who would be the world's villains, had Hitler been victorious at the WW2?]

  • cfukara

    Geneva Convention of 1949: ” … articles defining the basic rights of those captured during a military conflict, establishing protections for the wounded, and addressing protections for civilians in and around a war zone. .”

    USA – Ratification – 12.08.1949; Accession – 02.08.1955

  • cfukara

    rusty .. ” .. that Constitution only pertains to the citizens of the US ..”

    OK. Then to what extent is it applicable in dealing with citizens of other countries? [See below..]

    ” .. Terrorist or Enemy Combatants (are those) from other countries who are, repeating WHO ARE out to kill, maim or in general destroy the United States and our way of life. ..”

    Other countries have constitutions which, one may hazard to say, are as ‘valid’ and as hallowed as ours.

    Rusty, you are a great thinker. As such you probably subscribe to a universal concept of “brotherhood of man”.

    Would you then find in yourself te magnanimity or ‘the milk of human kindness’ to rephrase that statement to read:
    “Terrorist or Enemy Combatants (are those) from other countries who are, repeating WHO ARE out to kill, maim or in general destroy the COUNTRY and their way of life” – where COUNTRY may as well refer to any sovereign country like North Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chile, Libya, Israel, etc.?

    Would you say that other countries have a moral and legal right to prosecute and hang Americans who they determine to be “enemy combatants” or who may have committed what they determine to be terrorist acts in their lands?

    How/Why does the ICC come in when it persecutes and prosecutes people from lands other than the USA and Europe, for ‘crimes against humanity’?

  • cfukara

    Well.

    A) That depends on what lawyer she retained.
    [After all, nothing happened to Cheney when he shot at tat lawyer guy - and perhaps even if he had killed him. ...

    B) We may also say that since. it seems, Cheney revels in the prospect of maiming, torture and death of humans, he may communicate to us from hell that nothing is to happen to the worthy lady dispatcher .. And maybe a few of us will gladly maintain THAT is what Cheney would have wanted .... ]

    C) Cheney today would probably retort to that hypo with “An old lady shoots someone … So?”

  • cfukara

    You know you are duplicitous, if ..

    Suppose for a moment that the invasions, tortures and killings were perpetrated by a certain country and the phony rationalizations and duplicity in which we are gleefully engaged, was taking place among the evil, full-of-it, holier-than-thou dwellers of the evil third world totalitarian regime of PEREPWA (“the peoples republic of wasu”) ….

    “Call in the Marines!” you’d start …

  • pcwalt

    cfukara, if any citizen of the United States were to engage in armed military conflict in the guise of being a civilian, or while disguised as a person who is anything other than a member of the armed forces of the United States, that would constitute spy status. Then their only expectation would be summary execution (let alone torture or “harsh interrogation”).

  • pcwalt

    Two points:
    .
    Now, first, who is claiming that torture is not against the law? The only legal question is, “Is this procedure of legal necessity defined as torture?” If you want to argue that water-boarding *should* be defined as torture, then by all means do so. But is it by stupidity that you treat the point as though the argument were really something else? or is it being “crazy like a fox”?
    .
    Second, against what country are we breaking a treaty by holding the detainees in (e. g.) Guantanamo Bay? (The Uighurs didn’t want to be sent back to China, anyway.)

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    As used in this chapter—
    (1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
    (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
    (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
    (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
    (C) the threat of imminent death; or
    (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

    .
    Now that it is being widely reported that mock executions qualify as the threat of imminent death how much of a reach is it to suggest that mock drownings are not?

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