Hucka-bull

Where do they come up with these things?

Mike Huckabee told his radio audience today that under the Obama health plan, Ted Kennedy would have been told to “go home to take pain pills and die” upon being diagnosed with a brain tumor. Leave aside the fact that, with all the medical intervention that money could buy, the Senator lived only 15 months after his diagnosis, which is pretty much the median. What, exactly, is Mike Huckabee basing this claim on? George Stephanopoulos thinks he knows–political opportunism. Huckabee is determined to out-Palin Sarah Palin. Is it 2012 yet?

For the real story of Ted Kennedy and his determination to have a “good ending,” don’t miss Mark Leibovich’s sensitive and elegant account in the New York Times. Especially the ending of the story, and this quote from Congressman William Delahunt:

Mr. Kennedy had told friends recently that he was looking forward to a “reunion” with his seven departed siblings, particularly his brothers, whose lives had been cut short.

“When he gets there, he can say ‘I did it, I carried the torch,’ ” Mr. Delahunt said. “ ‘I carried it all the way.’ ”

UPDATE: I second Joe’s point in the post above this one. Huckabee would do well to read Devin and Strobe Talbott’s op-ed in today’s Washington Post.

Related Topics: death, Mike Huckabee, ted kennedy, Health Care
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  • trifecta55

    I just don’t know what to say anymore. KT, I wish you could interview the sane members of the GOP caucus anonymously (if there are many left) and just ask them WTF?
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    Seriously. The lunatics are running the asylum. We might as well put textee or spob in their seats.

  • Paul-no not that one

    And Huckabee is the “nice” and “funny” one.

    “Did you see him on Colbert?!?!”

    The republican party in 2009 is more bankrupt than even I imagined.

  • Art Pepper

    Wait – a Republican is a shameless lying hypocrite? Oh noooooooh!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Limbaugh, Palin, Huckabee, O’Reilly, Hannity, etc. These people are not elected to any position in government. They do not run anything.

  • williamveale

    The mainstream media—especially the print media, rightfully concerned as it is about declining readership—ought to capitalize on the headline potential of reporting that Huckabee is a liar and not to be trusted. But instead of that they use euphemisms like “distortions of the truth.” Wake up! Report on these people as liars, not nut cases. Got it? L-I-A-R-S.

  • lupercal5

    i have ceased to be insulted, shocked or outraged by these buffons. And the problem is that much of America has too. All this silliness is just so common, even the evocation of Hitler doesn’t GENUINELY outrage people.
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    Because the point isn’t to be reasonable or logical. It’s a stream-of-consciousness kinda thing. Just string together the most explosive words you can think of to create a powerful and strong emotional response. so, most independents might hate them but they still respond emotionally. And a little truth serum isn’t gonna be enough of a remedy.
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    Im just disappointed that Romney hasn’t found a more toxic way to top off gringrich palin and huckabee. DOES he have to be so calculating all the time?

  • dfh

    Maybe someone would buy Time magazine if they printed the truth. The internet is noit killing print media their refusal to print the truth is.

  • square1

    Political opportunism?!? I’m shocked — shocked! — that Mike Huckabee is a political opportunist.

    In an ideal world, nobody over the age of 14 would be surprised that a major politician would say or do anything for political expediency. This is dog bites man stuff.

    So, what is interesting is NOT that Mike Huckabee is a shameless boot licker. What remains interesting is only the fact, in 2009, the way to get ahead in the GOP is to make thoroughly tasteless and/or extremist statements. Even 10 years ago, Huckabee’s comment would have been considered a gaffe. Now it is just following the talking points.

    I give the GOP until next week to come up with some twisted talking point about Rosemary Kennedy.

  • carpevis

    Listening to the venomous spewings of the GOP is much like watching the last few examples of an endangered species after they all got caught in a tar pit. They’re going down slowly but inevitably. They know struggling will only hasten the process. They cling to their positions like the tar clings to them. And they bellow and shout and roar at the injustice of it all.

    I suppose if they had given a damn about endangered species when they were the top predator in the land, maybe they would have generated some good karma that could come back at this point in their evolutionary existence. As it is, they didn’t, it won’t and they’re going down. Rush, Huckabee, Palin and the whole ultra-right wing is so out of touch, they’re like a species who forgot to adapt to climate change. Nature has a way of dealing with those kinds of animals: They go extinct.

    And with as much compassion as they showed our planet and the rest of those not sharing their distorted worldview, I’ll say to them, “I don’t give a damn if the door hits you all in the ass on the way out. Good riddance.”

    In the meantime, they bellow, the tar clings harder, they struggle which makes their situation even worse and their death rattle is ignored by indifferent ears.

  • Cliff

    What, exactly, is Mike Huckabee basing this claim on?
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    NOTHING!
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    My god, what does it take for you people?
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    He is:
    (A) Functionally retarded
    (B) Lying
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    Those are your two choices! And those are the only choices!
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    How many games of grab-ass are you going to play? What will it take for you to say, “this is a harmful lie that will hurt people and Huckabee is a bad person for telling that lie”?

  • James, Los Angeles

    What Cliff said.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Oh! Political opportunism? Naw! Ya don’t say!

    Where do they come up with these things?

    They make up this crap out of thin air knowing that the beltway is going to blog about it and write about it and tsk tsk about it and get that wild story out there and knowing that it provokes outrage in normal people. And that’s the game. Get written about and piss off the normal people. Win the day. The nastier, the more outrageous, the better. Don’t talk about the real debate. Because they lose the real debate.

    Y’all sure fell into that one, didn’t you?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Maybe the “centrists” will stop slobbering all over this moron now, simply because he plays the guitar.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    What Cliff said.

    And what does it say that GOP campaigns for president have to out-lie each other like this?

    Frankly, “out-Palining” someone is more contemptible than out-McCarthying her. Say what you will about the tenets of McCarthyism, but at least Communism had an ethos. It wasn’t wildly stupid to be concerned about Communism, though paranoia didn’t really serve anyone well. What on Earth are these crazy bastards even fighting for or against? The white American power structure?

  • rustyreturns

    The only “Huck-a-bull” in this house is Karen Tumulty.

    Why do TIME reporters think they need to lie so much about Republicans?

    Why do TIME reporters like Karen Tumulty and Joe Klein feel the need to distort what Republicans say?

    Do you get your jollys off when you write this trash Karen?

    Does it make you feel so powerful, so intimately with the “in crowd” at the White House when you write these tabloid articles?

    Or does it simply send this THRILL up your leg?

    Please Karen, your readers want to know.

  • sacredh

    WWJD?
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    Tell Huckabee that “If you disgrace my name one more time I’m going to send your sorry ass STRAIGHT to F***ING HELL!”

  • freeinpa

    What a bunch of sanctimonious gasbags. You make the “birthers” seem reasonable. The biggest lies being told are to YOURSELVES. The bottom line for all you tin-foiled hat goofballs is if someone says anything you disagree with they are automatically liars.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8091227&page=1

    The link above is a transcript with an interview with the President. And he gives a general description of the scenario an information panel but the inference is pretty clear that “someone will get information say a government panel that one treatment is half the cost of the second and the outcome doesn’t change, you will die. Guess which one you get?

    Or just keeping lying to yourselves until it happens to someone you know!

  • ohiolib

    Actually, most of us call people liars when, as you are, they intentionally distort real issues in order to justify paranoia or partisanship.
    That reference was about pushing generics that are at least as effective-but cheaper-than the other options. The whole “you’re going to die so no meds for you” argument is a collective conservative delusion, brought on by a combination of fear and ignorance. But don’t let reality interfere with a good 5 Minutes Hate.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    You’re right freeinpa, the inference is pretty clear, it’s your ridiculous interpretation that is the problem. Perhaps it’s unfair to call you liar, when the problem is your projecting and you don’t realize you’re insane. You walk around so petrified that you respond to everything like a rabid dog. You project your behavior and mindset on to your opponents because you think you are of sound mind and that every one who is normal would think as you do. The trouble is you are not normal. The RNC suggests Democrats would use health reform to target conservatives for the death panels, why? Because that’s what they would do. Didn’t we just have a post about a hateful preacher praying for Obama’s death and his followers showing up with assault rifles? They say we want to kill grandma, why? Because they want old people to die and not be a burden on society. They have fought against the life sustaining programs of Medicare and Social security since the inceptions, so clearly they don’t want the elderly to survive. You see how it works. They project all of their most reprehensible desires on to us because that’s what people do. Likewise, we have more humanity then they do and we keep giving them, undeservedly I might add, the benefit of the doubt that there is some humanity in there – see projection, that’s what people do. So from freepa’s perspective he should be afraid very afraid because he’s crazy and the diabolical way he would treat his fellow citizens is indeed something to fear.

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  • spob

    Huckabee is the most execrable politician in America today.
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    Palin’s “death panels” comment was over the top (barely), but it did point to an issue that Rep. Markey touched on–Obama has forcefully stated that medical costs are going to break us. So we’re going to get 47 million more on the rolls, so to speak, and reduce costs. Something’s gotta give–whether it’s cutting tests from five to one or giving grandma palliative care instead of a hip replacement. And how are those decisions going to be made. Not ad hoc, but by hard-headed “experts” trying to allocate resources. Maybe harsh to call that decision-making process a “death panel”, but these are hard calls.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Wha’ I wouldn’a give t’ be there t’ hear ‘Im say it, too!
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    yarr.

  • piniella

    Tumulty didn’t lie about Huckabee. For example, she didn’t say he was a real Christian.

  • piniella

    ["someone will get information say a government panel that one treatment is half the cost of the second and the outcome doesn't change, you will die. Guess which one you get?]

    If the outcome is exactly the same, then why not give the less expensive treatment?

  • FlownOver

    It’s not exactly a collective conservative delusion. The leadership knows it’s total bullcrap. Their useful idiot followers may well be under the delusion, heightened by very real but very unwarranted fears.

    I’m still waiting for the media to focus not on the deluded disruptors, but on the purportedly credible sleazeoids who scare them into acting out.

  • kathy

    Ted Kennedy’s memorial service was a nice reminder that not all Republicans are off the rails. I hope this little break from the craziness will bring some of the Congress home to sanity. What happened to this generation of Republicans?

  • TigerFan58

    Mike Huckabee is more correct than those on the political left want people to know, even though his way of expressing it may be questioned. Every socialized health care plan ultimately rations health care, it is inevitable. And if you wish to argue that Huckabee’s choice of words and way of expressing it is extreme. There is a case from Oregon (2007 or 2008), a lady named Barbara Wegner who the state offered to pay for a pill so she could die, but not for the drugs needed to keep her alive. Here is a link where you can read about it.

    http://disabilitymatters.blogspot.com/2008/07/barbara-wagner-faces-official-darkness.html

    So to the uninformed writer and misinformed contributors there is more truth to Huckabee’s words than any of us should want to believe, but believe it we must and defeating the health care changes Congress is considering should be a top priority.

  • chelsea15jk

    **yawn** Oh look, another politician saying stupid things that aren’t true. Imagine that.

  • bo9000000000000

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ojBgTyA7I

    FYI – Huckabee came up with that in a real life situation in Oregon which has implemented a state run health care plan that is very similar to those currently proposed in Congress. If you don’t believe it then check out the youtube video that has a local news organization in Oregon covering the story of a woman that got a letter from the state saying that they wouldn’t pay for her cancer medication but would pay for physician aided dying meds.

    There are alot of ways to fix the problems with healthcare without overhauling the entire system which may help some issues but also may cause a whole new set of negative and unintended consequences like the ones that the women in this video faced.

  • mxnwilson

    So, we have a U.S. Senator and a Vice-President using profanity at Sen. Kennedy’s funeral, and so many (including the msm) are focused on the statements of Mike Huckabee. Hummm, that could be a good thing.

  • pcwalt

    Has anyone posting here actually read much of the language in the bills? or paid attention to the audio of some of what president Obama has said on the subject?
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    Perhaps folks here would do well to read the provisions of the available versions of the bill, and listen to the recordings of the Obama town hall meetings on the subject, before even suggesting that Mike Huckabee is hurling baseless accusations. (But that would be inconvenient to have to read and listen, now, wouldn’t it?)

  • pcwalt

    Well, William, a liar is not just someone who says things that are unpopular with your crowd. A liar is a person who says things that are untrue. (You know, sort of like, “I never had sex with that woman”?) So do you have evidence other than your roll of the eyes, “rah-rah-rah, team!” and “well, EVERYBODY knows…” sort of approach?

  • pcwalt

    WHAT? you mean that people are no longer shocked when the Democrats (especially Pelosi) and “jouranlists” evoke Nazism and Hitler against the Bush administration, Republicans in general, and Tea Party gatherings?
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    How did things ever descend to their present state?

  • pcwalt

    …and you two are living examples of just how compassionate and tender liberals can be. Right?

  • pcwalt

    Now please read post 14 and post 14.1 carefully. Which of them seems more like it is making a judgment about a person’s likely motivations based upon their outward actions. And which of them seems more like making judgments of a person’s psychological makeup based upon projection from within?

  • ficheye

    Republicans = totalitarianism.

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