Health Care Odds And Ends

1. So you are suggesting that what Rahm said was political rather than a statement of fact?

Please list the members of the republican leadership that Rahm’s take DOESN’T apply to.

Good ole Barney

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That along with the always creepy “Team Members will be contacting you” are something else.

saying the President still wants a bipartisan bill.
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And I want World Peace and a Pony.
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What are the odds?

7. CBS loses Don Hewitt, Westy family and bulk of Vietnam vets targeted by Black Rock to send FTD’s new WHO GIVES A CRAP bouquet to Havana.

Jim DeMint (R-SC):

This health care issue Is D-Day for freedom in America… If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.

Scherer:

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, still sounding a bit like the head of the DCCC, says Republican leadership “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”

Glad you woke up Rahm.

Go back to sleep Mike.

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, still sounding a bit like the head of the DCCC, says Republican leadership “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”
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If I were a smart, evil Republican I would do anything possible to disassociate the GOP from any health care reform legislation that passes because the Democrats are happily watering the Democratic plan down, making it unlikely to solve ”the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.” Then Democrats and progressives would be discredited and the GOP would be revitalized.

RAHMSHTOOL LLC’s WHITE HOUSE LIES, AGAIN

DEATH PANEL EXISTS, CREATED BY CLINTON, STOPPED BY BUSH, RE-STARTED BY OBAMA:

http://tiny.cc/D9DY1

IMPEACH THE ONCE, NOW.

Rose, politically this is ALL on BHO and Congressional Democrats, it matters not what the republicans do.

So far this is playing out as a combination of bad policy and bad politics. That’s not to say it will end that way but that’s where we are now.

And is any less true if you change Republican Leadership to Democratic Leadership (I know an oxymoron) and Obama to Republican?

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Rahm: We can’t let a crisis go to waste

Seems reminiscent of Card Check doesn’t it Paul?

When company’s advocate their position its acalled a threat when Congress or Unions do it its Apple pie and Mom

Whenever you hear a Republican Senator (like Grassley or Enzi or Gregg) or a Democrat Senator (like Conrad or Lincoln or Dorgan) say something stupid about health insurance reform, just refer to Nate Silver’s chart and it’s very likely you’ll understand their motivation instantly.

The President wants his way. He wants Repubs to sign on so when it does hit the fall, he has cover

And if you were an Evil Democrat you would pass single payer plan. It is not insurance that would be a tax increase!

Yes the glorious gaseous windbag from Taxachusetts

Sorry to disappoint you but I happen to oppose EFCA.
That’s the advantage of deciding issues on their merit instead of just ‘playing for the team’

the only way there will be a bipartisan bill will be if there’s a bill passed by only Democrats, and then after the fact the President gets to designate some of those Democrats as actually Republicans.

You know Roy Blunt when to his home state and flat out lied about health care reform to a couple of editiorial boards. I guess Roy took it for granted that no one would fact check him. I wonder why Roy would take such license. Anyone want to guess?

The (un)truth about health reform

Editor’s note: U.S Rep. Roy Blunt also made the same claim about hip surgery to editors and editorial advisory board members at the News-Leader during a recent interview.

From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Aug. 17, 2009:

As chairman of the House Republican Health Care Solutions Group, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Springfield, knows a thing or two about health care. But some of what he knows just isn’t true.

“I’m 59,” Mr. Blunt said last week during a meeting with Post-Dispatch reporters and editors. “In either Canada or Great Britain, if I broke my hip, I couldn’t get it replaced.”

We fact-checked that. At least 63 percent of hip replacements performed in Canada last year and two-thirds of those done in England were on patients age 65 or older. More than 1,200 in Canada were done on people older than 85.

“I didn’t just pull that number out of thin air,” Mr. Blunt said in a subsequent interview. It came, he said, from testimony before the House Subcommittee on Health by “some people who are supposed to be experts on Canadian health care.”

“I had been given that example. I was told that 59 is the cutoff,” he said.

“I’m glad you pointed that out to me. I won’t use that example any more.”

Mr. Blunt is a sincere man. We have no doubt he’ll keep his word. But he’s not the only Republican leader who has his facts wrong about British and Canadian health care. And some of his colleagues are a bit less contrite.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, recently claimed that in England, Sen. Ted Kennedy would have been denied treatment for his brain cancer.

The English National Health Service has denied that claim. The head of a related health agency complained about “untrue or misinformed” comments. And the president of the British Medical Association decried such “jaw-droppingly untruthful attacks.”

It shouldn’t matter. None of the health reform plans being considered by Congress would create an English- or Canadian-style health system here. But opponents of reform sometimes are careless with the facts.

For example, Mr. Blunt was asked how long an uninsured American would wait for a hip replacement.

“If they go to the emergency room, I think they can get that done,” he said.

Emergency rooms don’t do hip replacements, which require both hospital care and weeks of rehabilitation. They do emergency surgery, necessary to save a life.

St. Louis hospitals offer discounts to patients who are poor and uninsured.

But patients often are asked to make substantial down payments before surgery; they don’t hobble through the ER door and get them done for free.

In the same interview, Mr. Blunt minimized the number of people without health insurance in part by maximizing the number who are illegal immigrants.

“Ten to 12 million of them are in the country illegally. Everyone sort of agrees on that,” Mr. Blunt said. It’s a common refrain by opponents of reform.

In fact, the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation puts the number of uninsured who are immigrants both legal and illegal at about 9 million.

The National Institute for Health Care Management, another nonpartisan group, estimates that about 5.6 million illegal immigrants are among the 45.7 million people who were uninsured in 2007.

Mr. Blunt says his figure, which he later lowered to “about 8 million” is based on a Congressional Budget Office estimate.

Alas, that’s not exactly what the CBO document says. It says 17 million people in America still would be uninsured 10 years from now if the House health reform bill is approved. About half of those people would be illegal immigrants.

Health care policy is complicated, no doubt about it. Not everyone understands it. But everyone, particularly responsible political leaders, at least should try to get the facts straight

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090819/OPINIONS02/908190410&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:de5914c7-a167-4b4f-b2d7-f1e40afcc5fe

One’s intelligence is inversely proportional to their use of all-caps in written communication.

Fear not! Obama will continue to reject reasonable Republican suggestions only as long as he’s not finished euthanizing smarter GOP people.

Ahh, those evil Democrats with their horrible single-payer plans like Medicare. Look at all the damage that has done. Old people everywhere. If only the Republicans could have stopped it in time.

I’m sorry, there have been reasonable Republican suggestions? Obviously, you have nothing to fear when Obama starts “euthanizing smarter GOP people.”

Michael I continue to marvel at the level of shamelessness involved in refusing to make up your mind if you want to be a cheerleader for the Republican Party or a shill for Time Magazine. On one hand you promote subscription prices beneath every article as if the aggregate of your work actually merits being considered a primary reason for such an expenditure. Although if your work were found to be a little more intellectually stimulating, one could overlook your tendency to so narrowly cast the perimeters of the debate, that you imply a false scenario, but clearly this is not the case.
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On the other hand you agitate, provide excuses and more often than not feign ignorance or become deliberately obtuse about the alternate reality in which you and those you defend on the right operate. Almost as if you envision yourself as the communication director for President Gingrich rather than score keeper, a function I personally abhor but most media insiders have declared their function of choice. or informer, the role the fourth estate was meant to play but of late has abandoned for more lucrative endeavors.
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Please MS make up your mind about who and what you are so I can apply the appropriate weight to what you choose to say at any given moment, as if either description would be worthy of my time or the paper it’s printed on.

“…Taxachusetts”
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Meanwhile…
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Mass. bashers take note: Health reform is working
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2009/08/05/mass_bashers_take_note_health_reform_is_working/
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Honestly, freeper, shooting down your snide little puns is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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With a bazooka.

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DEE:

Well put. I used to work in D.C., and I ran in to dudes like Sherer at dozens of area Barbeques. These guys clock in and out of an office everyday just like the legions of peons inside most Think Tanks. They love the “idea” of their job and the cliques rather than the great responsibility and sacrifice their profession demands.

Problem is that to get votes for one bill politicians sell votes for another. Libs contend Repubs are in the back pocket of corporations but no more so than libs are, to quote that wonderful linguist Paul Begala, the butt boys fo rthe unions

7. Just 34% of voters nationwide support the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats if the so-called “public option” is removed. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 57% oppose the plan if it doesn’t include a government-run health insurance plan to compete with private insurers.

From: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/without_public_option_enthusiasm_for_health_care_reform_especially_among_democrats_collapses

So you are suggesting that what Rahm said was political rather than a statement of fact?

I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. It sure seems like both to me.

Yes
Medicare and a single payer system will be free, if just repubs would let libs enforce their moronic will on the people.

MO

Last week only 42% supported the Congressional Plan which still seems like less than a majority. And 44% strongly opposed it while only 26% strongly supported it. Not much enthusiasm for it then or now no matter how you shovel it.

How many Americans support terrorism?

Draw the line from A to B, freepee, if you can…

Looks like a link that’ll net you a virus for your troubles…

Not your link, appollyon07, I mean hulu’s. I like your approach!
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Show ‘em pictcherses…

Not your link, appollyon07, I mean hulu’s. I like your approach!
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Show ‘em pictcherses…

Michael, your post makes me sick. Last night on CNN and MSNBC, the MSN were sneering that Obama wasn’t man enough to take on the Republicans and that he had to get tougher because he was looking weak.

Now that he’s about to call an end to his attempts at compromise, he’s now called bi-partisan.

Just another example of how unfairly Dems are treated by the MSM. Damed if they do, damned if they don’t.

The only smart ones left are Colin Powell et al.
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Is it maybe that hulu misspoke, and in his rabid hatred of those particular moderates, he actually meant to say he hoped that Obama would euthanize them?

Freetopeeonhimself is finally getting it!

Mo

Too bad you shot blanks

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/06/24/massachusetts-makes-cuts-to-universal-health-plan/

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/hancock/blog/2009/07/massachusetts_health_plan_wrec.html

3 years into it and cutting already. You must be the last person who reads the Boston Globe. Maybe if you get together with the 3 still reading the NYT you could play bridge

He’s realized, finally, we had an election last November.
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Thats what all that noise was about, last year, freetopeeonyourself!

53 and falling

I always knew that libs think everything the government does is free except defense of course. And they do have a moronic will

You still remain correct that you have nothing constructive to contribute to the health care debate.

I am sure in the psychotic mind you have found some relevance to terrorism.

Please return to you medication

If you really beleive the dems are mistreated by the MSM you should really seek help

Because if you can’t believe Rupert Murdoch (WSJ) and Sam Zell (Balt. Sun), who can you believe?

Link, please, freeper. ‘Cause from what you just posted, it looks like 68% support or strongly support the Congressional plan.
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And, for what its worth, I’m against the Congressional plan because I don’t think it goes far enough. I’d be careful not to assume that everyone against the Congressional plan thinks ‘I got mine, you’re on your own’ is a good National Health Care policy.

Oh and,

Reddest of the Red States, Alabama’s deficit is 9.2% of the general fund.
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John McCain’s fiscally responsible Arizona’s is 17.8% of its general fund.
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Taxachutsetts?
4.2% of the general fund.
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In case you missed it in one of Murdoch’s fish wraps, there’s a recession going on. That sort of thing tends to exacerbate state deficits.
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You might want to stick to puns, you’re better at that than you are at research.

Of course when the NYT mentions the fact that the Repubs aren’t interested in voting for any HCR bill, quoting Rahm, but said by Grassley and others, suddenly they clutch their pearls and cry that he’s not being bipartisan.

Give me a break.

Just so things won’t be dull in the rest of August, a new attack is planned.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/anti-reform-groups-internal-memo-rumors-of-the-death-of-the-public-option-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/

Mo

My bad. Did the post in a hurry. It is actually. 2 separate polls form Rasmussen First was a poll on just the Congressional Plan and the second mentions the public option

Mo

Why don’t you let me know which publications are acceptable to the left. Quickly before they go out of business. In your research did you happen to see what NY and NJ deficit was?

And state deficits just like federal deficits grow when spending grows uncontrollably. States have grown 50% higher than any amount needed to keep spending constant adjusted for inflation (since 1999).

Note to self: do NOT cross Apollyon if at all possible! That was one beautiful bit of pwnage there.

Its not about saving money. Its not about your health. Its about control. Logging everyone with a health card. Knowing all your business. Loosing your privacy with your Dr. They don’t give a damn about your kid’s education or health.

CONTROL of you and 1/6 of the economy

Yep, you’re right, you’re exactly correct, all the Dems want to force you into Islamocommunistohomosexual relationships and destroy everything you’ve ever worked for in your life. Seriously do y’all react like this when you lose an election?