Sarah, Sarah, Sarah…

Sarah Palin, via her Facebook page, is the latest to spread the most bizarre rumor about what is in the health care legislation that is being drafted on Capitol Hill.:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Yes, such a system would indeed be downright evil. Which is why no one is proposing anything like it. Let’s repeat: No one is proposing anything like it. What is being considered was explained by President Obama at a July 28 AARP town hall meeting:

Q I have heard lots of rumors going around about this new plan, and I hope that the people that are going to vote on this is going to read every single page there. I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that’s Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die. This bothers me greatly and I’d like for you to promise me that this is not in this bill.

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I guarantee you, first of all, we just don’t have enough government workers to send to talk to everybody, to find out how they want to die.

I think that the only thing that may have been proposed in some of the bills — and I actually think this is a good thing — is that it makes it easier for people to fill out a living will.

Now, Mary, you may be familiar with the principle behind a living will, but it basically is something that my grandmother — who, you may have heard, recently passed away — it gave her some control ahead of time, so that she could say, for example, if she had a terminal illness, did she want extraordinary measures even if, for example, her brain waves were no longer functioning; or did she want just to be left alone. That gives her some decision-making power over the process.

The problem is right now most of us don’t give direction to our family members and so when we get really badly sick, sadly enough, nobody is there to make the decisions. And then the doctor, who doesn’t know what you might have preferred, they’re making decisions, in consultation with your kids or your grandkids, and nobody knows what you would have preferred.

So I think the idea there is to simply make sure that a living will process is easier for people — it doesn’t require you to hire a lawyer or to take up a lot of time. But everything is going to be up to you. And if you don’t want to fill out a living will, you don’t have to. But it’s actually a useful tool I think for a lot of families to make sure that if, heaven forbid, you contract a terminal illness, that you are somebody who is able to control this process in a dignified way that is true to your faith and true to how you think that end-of-life process should proceed.

You don’t want somebody else making those decisions for you. So I actually think it’s a good idea to have a living will. I’d encourage everybody to get one. I have one. Michelle has one. And we hope we don’t have to use it for a long time, but I think it’s something that is sensible.

But, Mary, I just want to be clear: Nobody is going to be knocking on your door; nobody is going to be telling you you’ve got to fill one out. And certainly nobody is going to be forcing you to make a set of decisions on end-of-life care based on some bureaucratic law in Washington.

UPDATE: Here’s how Politifact explains what is in the bill (and also where this pants-on-fire claim came from):

In her chat with Thompson, McCaughey said the language can be found on page 425 of the health care bill, so we started there. Indeed, Sec. 1233 of the bill, labeled “Advance Care Planning Consultation” details how the bill would, for the first time, require Medicare to cover the cost of end-of-life counseling sessions.

According to the bill, “such consultation shall include the following: An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to; an explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses; an explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.”

Medicare will cover one session every five years, the legislation states. If a patient becomes very ill in the interim, Medicare will cover additional sessions.

Jon Keyserling, general counsel and vice president of public policy for the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, which supports the provision, said the bill doesn’t encourage seniors to end their lives, it just allows some important counseling for decisions that take time and consideration.

“These are very serious conversations,” he said. “It needs to be an informative conversation from the medical side and it needs to be thought about carefully by the patient and their families.”

In no way would these sessions be designed to encourage patients to end their lives, said Jim Dau, national spokeman for AARP, a group that represents people over 50 that has lobbied in support of the advanced planning provision.

McCaughey’s comments are “not just wrong, they are cruel,” said Dau. “We want to make sure people are making the right decision. If some one wants to take every life-saving measure, that’s their call. Others will decide it’s not worth going through this trauma just for themselves and their families, and that’s their decision, too.”

Both Keyserling and Dau were particularly troubled that McCaughey insisted — three times, to be exact — that the sessions would be mandatory, which they are not.

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  • choska

    This is shaping up to be a real test for the media. Can they report that Palin is either a liar or completely delusional, without requiring having a Democrat come on the screen to say it for them.

    You’ve passed the test Karen. I’m sure you will be one of the very, very few.

    The choice we have now is between having a discussion of our national priorities that is sane, or just handing everything over to a bunch of lunatics. And, so far, the media is failing in its duty to enlighten and inform by refusing to air comments from crazy people.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Is this the story you were working on KT?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    So that’s how we broach the subject, make it the nonsense rantings of Sarah Paling, the conservative nut case everyone loves to hate?
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    In PR school they call this maneuver delegitimize to minimize. You want to make something less credible, point to someone who is the least credible in the culture and attach the remark to them. The more of a joke they are the less likely anyone will take the remarks seriously.
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    Kind of like when John McCain try to to diminish Obama by comparing him to Paris Hilton — a slight twist on the same theme.
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    KT you are really ought to up your game.

  • Art Pepper

    I’ve said it before – the GOP needs to oppose Medicare in a big way.

    In fact, I’m not sure why Bush neglected this issue important during.

    It will be an uphill battle, but surely McConnell and Boehner can introduce some legislation to shut down Medicare and get their Republican colleagues to cosponsor.

    Government-run medicine is the same as Hitler, no?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Surely you jest Paul?

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    I’ve handed my reporting of that story off to a colleague, who will be working on it for (I think) the next dead-tree issue of the mag. As for me, I am heading off for two weeks of vacation during which I hope to spend as little time as possible thinking about anything that is happening in Washington.

  • square1

    I remember when Obama used to talk like a somewhat normal person and not a politician. No longer. Allow me to provide the normal person response:

    Q. I have heard lots of rumors going around about this new plan, and I hope that the people that are going to vote on this is going to read every single page there. I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that’s Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die. This bothers me greatly and I’d like for you to promise me that this is not in this bill.

    A. What? What?!? Is that a serious question, Mary?

    Q. Um…(slightly embarassed) yes, there are rumors…

    A. You said “lots of rumors”? You’ve heard this from more than one person? Besides Lyndon LaRouche, I mean? Come on, now?

    Q: Well it was reported…

    A: Never mind. To save time, let me say, no, no, no. That is the craziest thing I’ve heard in at least a week. And that includes when I had the misfortune of turning on the television when Dick Morris was talking. (laughter) Next question.

  • Art Pepper

    neglected this issue important during.

    And I’m not sure why I neglected to learn how to write English sentences, but there you go. Obviously we didn’t have NCLB in my day.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “I”ve handed my reporting of that story”
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    Okay, I asked a couple days ago if TIME was going to wait for violence and that moment past, I guess escalation might move TIME.
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    Enjoy your time off.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Thanks, P-NNTO. This was one that I thought really needed some reporting from the field, rather than trying to do it all from the Washington echo chamber. So that is how we are going to handle it. (Hey, you guys are always telling us to get outside the Beltway.) Given a choice of spending time with screamers at town hall meetings, or taking my children on a long-promised vacation … well, that really wasn’t a choice, was it?

  • trifecta55

    I predict CBS and ABC will have one contrasting story of some minor democratic official saying something that is not even 1/10th as bad.
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    Then they can say they upset both sides by their “reporting” so they got the story right.
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    Call me Nostradamus.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Thought I should share this tweet from erstwhile Swampland commenter Pourmecoffee:

    Town Hall Tip: Spell out TYRANNY! in chest paint with seven of your friends. Careful, don’t leave out first Y

  • deconstructiva

    Karen, thanks for this but please don’t pay attention to Sarah. Let us do that for you. Enjoy your vacation instead….with no TV? Please, have fun. As for Sarah, why why why does she keep using her kids as props? I need a youtube clip, “Leeeeeaaaaaave Trrrriiiigggggg aaalllloooonnne!” And I wonder too if that town hall questioner was real or a recruited fake protester (I posted a link at MS’s previous post to Jane Hamsher’s blog).

  • Cliff

    What? Sarah Palin is a stupid, vicious, corrupt liar?
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    I…I’m not sure how to take this news.

  • qualityreality

    This country is just plain embarrassing sometimes. Thinking I’ll put my duel citizenship to good use and move to one of those evil socialist countries in Europe.

    I curse McCain everyday for inflicting Palin on us.

  • rose83

    Obama should telephone her, talk it out and explain he’s never going to create a “death panel.” Seriously. She would backtrack. And if she didn’t and refused to believe him it would officially put her in Bachmann-territory and kill her 2012 prospects.

    I used to think it would be great if Palin were nominated because then Obama would definitely be re-elected. But the craziness has gone too far. It isn’t healthy to have so much of this kind of extremism in a nation’s political culture.

  • Cliff

    Oh, and I forgot to mention quitter. Shiftless, lazy, good for nothing quitter.
    .
    How did this get past us for so long?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    KT — let me break it down for you. If you are truly working on a substantive story I will be the first one to stand corrected and apologize. But if you’re not just say so and let’s move on.
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    Anything other than the full context of how the Republicans are so bent in regaining power that they are willing to tell any lie, cross any line to get their way, even when Americans vote them out. The right has systematically politicized everything including our justice department. Since 9/11 they have conducted a full frontal assault on the constitution. That what began as delegitimizing Clinton, that they supposedly didn’t like on moral grounds, turns out to be just a canard for he wasn’t a member of the conservative right, he wasn’t a Republicans and perhaps for all I know, since the media won’t really go after this story, it might be because he wasn’t a member of the C Street Christian Family Players.
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    Now we see a recurring theme, Democrats weren’t chosen so they must not rule. The fact that voters awarded them with the right to rule is beside the point and we must do all within our power to right that wrong. So the campaign rhetoric of palling around with terrorists and he is a secret Muslim has morphed into the birther movement.
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    Energized by the GOP, these mobs threaten democratic traditions and that they are not only being used to intimidate voters and elected officials, not only are they trying to thwart the agenda that Americans voted for in November and not being subtle about it, they are being bankrolled b y corporations that are two wedded to the idea of their own profits to realize now that they will eventually pay a price for this in the market place when all is said and done But like the party that is helping them they can’t see 20 years down the road. They can only see to the next quarter.
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    They fought against Medicare and they are too stupid to remember that after they lost that fight they profited tremendously for the program. — but alas their is no shortage of stupidity in America and certainly no shortage of it in America’s board rooms — but I digress.
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    This mob assault is nothing short of an assault on our constitutional rights to assemble and seek redress from our government. As the chief beneficiaries of the first amendment you would think the media would be on the front line trying to protect it. but no MS makes it a joke with Halperin and KT makes it all about the dingbat from the north. When the mobs are finished with Democrats, where do you think they are going to go next to shut down dissent.
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    Eight years ago you missed the story. Mess around and eight years from now you may not have the right to write one.

  • trifecta55

    I hope the village takes a hard look at their previous mancrush on John McCain.
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    He wanted this woman one heartbeat away from the Presidency, and the village thought he walked on water. Forget for a moment what this recklessness says about McCain, what does it say about the village?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Rose, you should worry, have you looked at those crowds? The last time this many white folks got together and got this worked up a lot of people with darker skin paid the price. Please don’t suggest Obama call Palin lest some yahoo from Podunk following spob on twitter think his fantasy girl might be in trouble and confuse Obama with Emmett.
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    It’s funny how in such a race conscious media no one has said a word about how little these crowds look like the real America as opposed to the faux real America Palin describes.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Have a wonderful vacation with the family — life is too short not to spend as much time as you can with them.

  • yoshiattack

    Mob assault? You mean the town halls? You must be joking.

  • trifecta55

    In my second incarnation as Nostradamus, I will predict that Frank Luntz was the person who came up with the term “Death Panel”.
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    Call it another hunch.

  • Cliff

    Doggett said his staff “was a little concerned” for his safety as he was encircled by protesters “with their signs and their devil pictures and everything very close around me.” He noted the “very juvenile manner” of protesters who followed him to his car after the event and tried to block his aide’s car as she backed out.

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    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_19/news/37557-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

  • Cliff

    According to local media reports, the larger-than-expected crowd gathered outside the Hillsborough County Children’s Board building, where several hundred people, most of whom opposed a government health care plan, began to loudly chant and scuffle with organizers posted at doorways after the auditorium filled to capacity.

    A freelance videographer was roughed up in an altercation, which damaged his camera equipment and glasses, and at least one man was treated for minor injuries after a scuffle left his shirt partially torn from his body.

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/health-care-town-hall-turns-violent-tampa/

  • apollyon07

    Remember the perscription drug benefit expansion that he and The Hammer rammed through (in order to buy elderly votes, of course) ?

  • FlownOver

    I’m gonna try again.

    A major national political figure consciously lying in this manner should be a major news story, not just a passing post on one of a magazine’s numerous blogs. I’d say this warrants a Time cover, with a headline “Sarah Palin Lies about Health Care Reform” – ideally over a picture of this scumbag winking.

    If everyone in the media can wet their pants for weeks about politicians who lie about the private matter of cheating on their spouses, why the hell isn’t it at least as big a story when one of them lies about a public issue that will affect us all???

  • apollyon07

    The man crush that ended as soon as he started running for president?

  • apollyon07

    Rather than actually consider the intelligent and formidable opposition, it’s always much easier to take the most ridiculous, inane portion of the opposition to represent the group as a whole. Republicans used to do it, now the Democrats are.

    “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
    -The Who

  • Cliff

    Inside, U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor of Tampa and State Rep. Betty Reed barely made it through opening remarks before angry protestors began shouting and interrupting their remarks.

    Moments later, violence broke out just outside the main auditorium doors, prompting police to close off the meeting room. A freelance photojournalist was among those roughed up suffering damage to both his glasses and camera equipment.

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    http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=111086&catid=8

  • constantweader

    Instead of wringing their hands over the insanity of such a charge, made by a person with the standing of having been the Republican vice presidential candidate, Tumulty & other reporters MUST do some actual reporting — contact Palin, contact McCain. McCain is responsible for Palin so he must take responsibility for her incendiary, completely unfounded charges. Does HE believe some Obama plan will kill off children & old folks? If not, what’s he doing to set Sarah straight? Where’s his apology? Where’s Palin’s? Palin’s language is beyond outrageous, & it isn’t something to laugh about because a good chunk of her crazy followers will believe her & lots of them have guns.

    Quit mocking Palin, Tumulty. Make her answer for herself. Hold McCain’s feet to the fire. This is where the nation expects the Fourth Estate to step in & do its job.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • Cliff

    This unidentified man decided he was doing the Tea Party-anti-reform effort a real solid by hanging freshman Maryland Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil in effigy [note the creepily expert knotted noose] with a placard “Congress Traitors The American [and a word that looks like "idol"].

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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Rep_Kratovil_hung_in_effigy_by_health_care_protester_.html
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    Mmmm, yes, apollyon, I’m really seeing their point now.

  • Cliff

    The Service Employees International Union, which supports health care reform, received a call today falsely accusing it of engaging in “thuggish violent tactics” and claiming that if the union does not stop disagreeing with reform’s opponents, “y’all are gonna come up against the Second Amendment.”

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    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/07/seiu-threat/
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    Anonymous threatening phone calls are integral to any rational debate!

  • Paul-no not that one

    apollyon07, it’s a shame you weren’t around for the election last year. Scherer’s coverage of McCain was something else.
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    As we’ve learned more about what was actually happening in McCain’s camp it becomes laughable.

  • Cliff

    Rush Limbaugh said that Pelosi was “deranged” and accused her of calling conservatives “Nazis.” He then, however, went on to note the similarities between Democrats and Nazis:

    The Speaker of the House accusing people showing up at these town hall meetings of wearing Swastikas — that is not insignificant folks. This woman is deranged. They are unraveling. But that is not insignificant. You have the Democrat Speaker of the House saying that people — citizens — who are concerned about health care are now wearing Swastikas. She’s basically saying that we are Nazis. She is saying that the people who oppose this are Nazis. [...]

    This party, the Democrat Party, and where it’s taken this country — the radical left leadership of this party — bears much more resemblance to Nazi policies than anything we on the right believe in at all.

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    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/07/pelosi-swastikas/
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    If you go to the link there are some dandy pictures of people engaged in reasonable protests against health care.

  • apollyon07

    There you go again!

  • Cliff

    Based on the news that health care events are edging into violence, an anti-health care reform protester in New Mexico named Scott Oskay is calling on his hundreds of online followers to bring firearms to town halls, and to ‘badly hurt’ SEIU and ACORN counter protesters.
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/anti-health-care-reform-protester-encourages-physical-violence-use-of-firearms.php
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    yoshi? apollyon? You guys want to jump in here with some intelligent and formidable opposition?
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    I mean, I can literally keep going for the rest of the day. Is all I’m saying/

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Rather than actually consider the intelligent and formidable opposition, it’s always much easier to take the most ridiculous, inane portion of the opposition to represent the group as a whole.”
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    Back after 9-11 there were calls for the Muslim community to LOUDLY disavow the Muslims around the world who celebrated the attacks.
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    When there is a strong, sustained, visible push back against Sarah Palin’s lies, Rush’ s comparing BHO to Hitler, the threats against unions, the burning of Congressmen in effigy then perhaps you can make that claim.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    The Democrats asked me to attend this town hall and being an hour and a half away it was going to be a stretch, but being under assault I was thinking about helping them out and then my granddaughter said please don’t go grandma those people look crazy. I couldn’t actually argue with her assessment. She might be nine but stupid is not in her gene pool.

  • Art Pepper

    Exactly!

  • apollyon07

    You see, I get the feeling that no matter what I say you or someone else on here will just post another story about violent activity.

  • Cliff

    Well that depends on what you want to say.
    .
    But after we got hit with “Obama is BFF with Bill Ayres” for six months last year, I expect you to at least understand why this looks bad for the right.

  • Cliff

    Also, my original post was made in response to yoshi, who was incredulous that someone might term all this uproar as “mob assault.”
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    In which case my deluge of links is perfectly acceptable.

  • apollyon07

    Okay. I think that Sarah Palin’s statement about health care reform today was a dishonest, farce that she should apologize for, Rush Limbaugh’s ridiculous use of disingenuine hyperbole is reprehensible, the threats and violence/effigy burnings are all wrong as well.

    Am I in the clear now? I assumed that based on my sane comments on here before that you guys would figure that I’m not a wingnut. Or is it that anyone right of center is a wingnut?

  • apollyon07

    I thought it was meant in reply to me. I apologize for the misinterpretation.

  • gwbc

    Do you notice how most of the screamers at the town hall are obese and a lot of them are old and are probably on Medicare.

    If these are products of the American education system , it is not only the health care system that needs an overhaul

    If Sarah is an example , obvioulsy knowledge of the American Constitutional system is not taught.

  • Paul-no not that one

    apollyon07 you miss the point.
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    You said “Rather than actually consider the intelligent and formidable opposition, it’s always much easier to take the most ridiculous, inane portion of the opposition to represent the group as a whole.”
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    My point is that they aren’t fringe they are the 2009 republican party.
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    If you mattered then you would be begging Rush for forgiveness just as every prominent republican has.
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    And Lou Dobbs is calling for physical confrontation.
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    Until there is evidence to the contrary the 2009 republicans have gone from Whig to Confederacy.

  • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

    Or is it that anyone right of center is a wingnut?

    Obama is right of center, in the sane world. You and Yoshi are sitting on the right wing of the airliner, admiring the scenery.

    Okay. I think that Sarah Palin’s statement about health care reform today was a dishonest, farce that she should apologize for, Rush Limbaugh’s ridiculous use of disingenuine hyperbole is reprehensible, the threats and violence/effigy burnings are all wrong as well.

    Rather than actually consider the intelligent and formidable opposition, it’s always much easier to take the most ridiculous, inane portion of the opposition to represent the group as a whole. Republicans used to do it, now the Democrats are.

    These same tactics were used by the same players back in 1993. See McCaughey, Betsy and Kristol, Bill.

    Plead ignorance, or plead wingnut.

    Your choice.
    ~

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    The last time this many white folks got together and got this worked up a lot of people with darker skin paid the price.

    Thanks for this precious gem of racial disdain. I guess I wasn’t delusional when I recently suggested that you inject race into every topic you discuss.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    For the record, I don’t believe that all Republicans or conservatives are wingnuts. In fact, I believe the main reason we can’t get the msm to pay attention to what is happening out there with these town halls and the decidedly thuggish nature of politics now, is because they know and like the same Republican operatives and consultants that I’ve come in contact with, who are nice normal people and who just believe in a different political philosophy but don’t want me dead because I disagree with their politics.
    .
    But John Dean wrote about the lack of conscious among some of these conservative operatives, who are not so welcome in the polite circles of Georgetown, cocktail parties attended by members of the media with access. For these people, for whom the lost of power is so abhorrent that they put this crap in motion knowing full well that it is going to grow out of control, but don’t care because they think that its their last chance because demographics are against them, After Sotomayor they know they’ve lost the Hispanic vote for at least a generation and the only way they can win is if they turn this into a race war and whites come to their rescue.
    .
    The media like KT, have not connected the dots between them and the GOP they know. These people are playing with fire trying to energize the most stupid elements of their movement and turn them into Brownshirt thugs. What are you going to say when some nut whose bought all those extras guns because Limbaugh and Beck have told them too, goes out and shoots someone in leadership. Are you going to ask not to be judged by the actions of a few? If you a re a conservative and oppose these tactics then don’t be quiet about it. When I start hearing more objection to these tactics I’ll make that distinction, but silence in this case might as well be consent. So get out their and scream on your conservative blogs to stop this crap otherwise when all is said and done you are going to be saddled with whatever reputation your worst elements will have earned.

  • Matt

    Did she hear this from some wacko Beck caller or fringe blogger or is she restoring to making up crazy rumors about the president now that she has nothing to do all day? Either one is pathetic…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • textee

    Just like long-time Democrat party flack and now taxpayer funded Democrat party flack Linda Douglas, Karen Tumulty asserts: “What is being considered was explained by President Obama at a July 28 AARP town hall meeting ….”

    Wow. Obama’s entire collection of press secretaries in the Washington press corps ignore what’s in the actual bill to socialize American medicine and instead point to the freakin’ words of Obama to “explain” “what is being considered”. ROTFLMAO!

    No thanks. If you want socialized medicine, try Cuba. The Washington press corps has been claiming for decades that Cuba has the world’s best health care, and it’s “free” to boot.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Can we make a rule that everything Sarah Palin says, John McCain gets a writer’s credit, like they would do for a song or a movie? Because after all, we wouldn’t know who Psycho PSarah was were it not for President McCain.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Dee, thanks for your extraordinarily insightful comment. I agree with every point you made. And I worry, too, what it is going to take to bring the MSM down from their 30,000-foot vantage point.

  • textee

    Sarah Palin’s baby is one of those babies that eugenicist and abortion enthusiast Ruth Bader Ginsburg has declared as belonging to “populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

    Here’s the full quote of the vile Ginsburg from the recent tribute to her in the New York Times magazine: “at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth [among abortion enthusiasts like Ginsburg] and particularly growth in populations that we [i.e., Ginsburg and other abortion enthusiasts] don’t want to have too many of.”

  • James, Los Angeles

    Once again, the RNC is paying by the word. How I’ve missed the three-paragraph screed!

    I count seven errors of fact — impressive considering there are four sentences and two exclamatories. Two well-fashioned, eminently parsable sentence-paragraphs sadly go off the mark in the third by way of the hit-or-miss geographical nonsequitor. Ah well, we can chalk it up to being out of the trusty old three-paragraph standard form of yore, but no gimmees here. I’m going with a C+.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Sarah, Sarah, Sarah…
    How ’bout you stop makin’ things up?
    Ya know, in honor of the troops.
    Also.

  • carotexas1

    I thought Sara Palin wanted the news media to leave her family out of the news.

    Did she not bring them back in the news again with this post?

  • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

    COOLEST PRESIDENT EVAR!!!

    Any questions?
    ~

  • ohiolib

    Whereas I cannot stop laughing at this loon, who has a good chance of doing more to destroy the R party than anything the Ds could ever do. Sure, she’s annoying, but the longer she stays in the spotlight, the more people will remember her as a dangerous political gamble.

    Sarah Palin 2012-2014 1/2

  • dunedweller

    Thanks KT. PMC’s superb humor is sicerely missed here at Swamp. It’s comic relief at a time when the hate seems out of control. I’m actually getting scared to attend a HC town hall meeting I’m signed up for next week. What a sad state of affairs to even admit that.
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    Have a great vacation and please know how appreciated you are here.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    You know exiled–
    .
    You act as if ignoring the obvious will somehow make it go away. I can’t help but wonder if you are also one of those people who think sex-education gives permission for children to have sex.
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    You seem to be under the illusion that race is an issue because people like me keep bringing it up and if we would just keep quiet there would be no race problem. Apparently, big crowds of angry white people lynching people in effigy, applauding the idea of someone running from being lynched and when their inappropriate response is brought to their attention, they break out in collective laughter is not the least problematic, it only became a problem because I as a black person wouldn’t shut up about the racial connotation.
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    Fortunately, I come from the school of thought that believes if you keep life in the closet you will open it one day and find it full of skeletons. So I am calling it as I see it in the hopes that maybe some adult somewhere will recognize that the present road we are on does not end well.
    .
    Perhaps, you think that lynching is no big deal. Perhaps you think portraying Obama as Hitler, his supporters as Nazis and these helpless, hardworking white Republicans as Jews in eminent peril because they are facing Obamacare — the final solution is no reason to be concerned. And the fact that it is happening in the same week as Brad Pitt is promoting a movie all about a group of Americans, who against all odds band together to go out to kill Hitler is a meaningless coincidence. Call me a cynic, but I think it’s a dog whistle begging some nut case to go into lone wolf mode. When somebody of color ends up on the wrong end of this anger you tell me then about whose delusional and why.

  • ohiolib

    Yay, textee’s back!!!! I can get my daily dose of humor by listening to Colbert-esque rants.

    Personally, I’m glad that someone, somewhere, is calling this loon out for making yet another fact-impaired statement. It may hurt to read, but I suspect the few remaining sane Rs are getting ready to leave the party due at least partially to this conspiracy theorist.

    KT, enjoy your vacation.

  • apollyon07

    No, Obama is not right of center. I don’t see how that’s feasible even to someone on the far left (which I don’t consider Obama to me…I’d consider him neither moderate left or far left, instead I’d say he’s in between).

    And I’m curious, what is it that I’ve said on here or any other post that would cause you to think I’m far right politically? (Note- that is a serious question) I’m actually solidly conservative when it comes to economic matters, and moderate when it comes to social matters. Many people that I talk to in RL about politics say I have strong libertarian leanings, and I agree.

    I don’t understand the point you’re making in that last part w/ Betsy and Bill. I flat out said that Republicans did the same thing, which was further reinforced by my quoting the song Won’t Get Fooled Again.

  • apollyon07

    Oh and I wasn’t referring to you or anyone else on here when I said “someone on the far left”.

  • apollyon07

    Dee, that makes sense to me, thanks for the clarification.

  • apollyon07

    “To me” should have been “to be”. Damn these ten hour days…

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    You act as if ignoring the obvious will somehow make it go away…You seem to be under the illusion that race is an issue because people like me keep bringing it up and if we would just keep quiet there would be no race problem. Apparently, big crowds of angry white people lynching people in effigy, applauding the idea of someone running from being lynched and when their inappropriate response is brought to their attention, they break out in collective laughter is not the least problematic, it only became a problem because I as a black person wouldn’t shut up about the racial connotation.
    To you, Dee, the obvious is always race. Now, just because a group of angry white people happen to be congregating in a menacing manner does not mean that you have a rational reason to fear a racially motivated violent encounter. To incessantly bring up such issues is tiresome and illustrates your views about the white community: you fear it, you are leery of it, you keep it at arms length lest you actually learn something about it.
    .
    I can’t help but wonder if you are also one of those people who think sex-education gives permission for children to have sex.
    Actually I support sex-education, although not at unreasonably young ages. I also support readily available contraceptives. What I do not support is non essential abortions.
    .
    Perhaps you think portraying Obama as Hitler, his supporters as Nazis and these helpless, hardworking white Republicans as Jews in eminent peril because they are facing Obamacare — the final solution is no reason to be concerned.
    Perhaps, similarly, you have no problems with the constant caricature of conservatives as racist, sexist, ignorant homophobes. I happen to support neither of these frivolously degrading depictions.
    .
    And the fact that it is happening in the same week as Brad Pitt is promoting a movie all about a group of Americans, who against all odds band together to go out to kill Hitler is a meaningless coincidence.
    Actually the movie is about a band of blood-thirsty Americans brutally murdering German soldiers, most of whom have surrendered, in a manner that is in contrast to any semblance of decency, humanity, or respect for the rules governing the conduct of war. But I highly doubt the two are related in any manner. If I recall, Bush was often characterized as Hitler as well. I don’t remember any visible publications of influence at the time. Hitler is often used as a demonizing caricature of one’s opponent; it’s an entirely unfounded precedent, however, and is in no way relevant to Obama, in my opinion.

  • juniusredivivus

    Isn’t it time someone just called Palin what she is, namely a serial child abuser? Has any politician done more to exploit, lie about and damage their own children in the name of crass self-promotion? Bristol was dragged through the McCain embarrassment, Piper had to cover when Mom lost it because hockey fans booed her, Willow was used to attack Letterman, and poor Trig has ended up as the Ayatollah from Alaska’s first line of defense on every occasion. And then, as the culmination of Sarah’s squalid exploitation of her children, they were blamed for her decision to betray the people of Alaska and quit the office with which they had entrusted her.

  • sacredh

    To be fair, she is skankalicious.

  • sacredh

    The value of Sarah to the democratic party shouldn’t be underestimated. As long as the media feeds us stories about her, we’d be foolish not to play them for everything they’re worth. It doesn’t matter if she’s the face of the republican party right now. As long as she can be painted as the face of the party it keeps her sorry ass in the news.

    She’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but as long as she can keep delivering cuts to an already bleeding party, why not use her for as long as possible? I’m just as shocked as anyone else that she has any role at all in her party, but I’m cheering her every move.

    Her run could end tomorrow, but I’m betting it doesn’t. She’s predictably unpredictable and a walking quote factory. What more could we ask for?

  • FlownOver

    Speaking of Palin and Death Panels

  • mattsplatw

    And she cites Rep. Michele Bachmann in her post! The blind following the blind…

  • Cliff

    I should have guessed, it’s the old pattern all over again.
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    Step 1: Conservatives do the worst thing in the world.
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    Step 2: They accuse liberals of planning to do what they just did.
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    Rinse and repeat.

  • James, Los Angeles

    It falls short of the newly reprised three-paragraph screed, but is redeemed somewhat by the creative bracketing and the pounding inflammatory to drive home the point, presumably. The disinterment of 30-year-old misquotes is amusing, but the short form reeks of emotional exhaustion. Not the best yet, nor the best on the thread. I’m afraid it merits a below-average D, regrettably.

  • homerhk

    @ exiled: “Perhaps, similarly, you have no problems with the constant caricature of conservatives as racist, sexist, ignorant homophobes. I happen to support neither of these frivolously degrading depictions.”

    I have a problem with the use of the word “caricature” in this context. conservatives are racist, sexist and ignorant homophobes. If that’s name calling, so be it: that’s the platform of the republicans and the conservatives. Let’s debate but let’s be honest about who we are debating.

  • jordancfan

    Sarah Palin vs. Kim Jong-il.

    By: Jordan C. Fan, Prophet of Environment.

    Kim is one the most highly admirable Environment advocates. He has aggressively developed weapons to defend the Environment instead of manufacturing industries which pollutes the Environment. While the U. S. has gone out of its way to develop oil fields, pipelines, refineries & other industries to pollute frontier wilderness in Alaska to destroy its Environment. Ki has develped nuclear missiles to be within range of Alaska to top further American migratios there. For this, Kim should receive a Nobel Peace Prize of Environment protection. So do Myself also deserve a Nobel.

    When the N. Korean nuclear missiles are within range of Alaska it forced Palin to resigned. Who can really blame Palin for resigning in fear of her families of being nuked. This has proven Palin to be a likable & competent government officials & politicians.

    Palin is admired by the world over as a devoted & loving mother to protect her offsprings against nuclear threat. On the other hand, Obama must be frowned upon as a leader who has disregarded the safety of his people especially Alaskans in order to remove his political opponent Sarah Palin from her office. Obama should give in to Kim & withdraw all U. S. civilian & military personnel from Korea & Japan.

    Japan has betrayed all Asians by becoming a puppet of U. S. People of many Asian nations had allowed Japanese to invade their countries to expel of European & American Colonialists. Many of those Asian people ended up being persecuted or executed by their Japanese invaders. Today, while the Japanese have ample power to drive out American invaders who are currently occupying their land, Japan prefer not to do so in exchange for economic prosperity. While the Chinese were overly generous to forgive those World War II Japanese atrocities to their own people, Japanese is still threaten to invade Chinese land for oil at the Diaoyu Islands. For this reason, all U. S. F-22 warplanes in Okinawa must be destroyed. By allowing the Americans a strong foothold in Eastern Asia, Japanese have threaten the safety & security of all Asians. For this he Japanese must go so are S. Koreans who have betrayed their own nation. Japan must reverse to wilderness to protect Environment while all Japanese be enslaved in Xinjiang.

    This has confirmed that the Americans especially Democrats & Black are extremely chauvinistic racists who must also be frowned upon by the world. American liberty, freedom & justice will end if Obama & his supporters especially Blacks continue to insists on using illegal conspiracy such as blackmails, harassments, threats of body harm, & corruption against qualified candidates.

    In addition, the U. S. must apologized to Kim Jong-il & North Korean for calling them Axis of Evil. Simply by cunningly changing leadership, presidents & parties can’t erase American atrocities to the World. Kim & Myself will receive Nobel Peace Prize.

  • plukasiak

    Karen –
    _
    There are times when it makes sense to provide an extensive Obama quote to show dispute GOP disinformation.
    _
    This isn’t one of them. Sarah Palin’s remarks are batsh*t crazy, and should be labelled as such. Attempting to engage on an intellectual/sane level with this kind of batsh*t crazy rhetoric legitimizes that rhetoric.
    _
    (Not to mention the fact that Obama does a horrible job of explaining what the actual proposal is — including his gratuitous “grandmother” reference.)

  • drmanus

    Amen to this blog post. Barack Hussein Obama the second does not tell lies like other presidents and politicians. Have you guys not watched CNN or listened to NPR lately? There is no reason we should not unquestioningly accept Barack Hussein Obama’s health care by august. There is no need to read the actual plan, ask questions, or listen to the radical right wing. Use sound reasoning and good science.

    Dr. Manus Dakadil

    dildaka.blogspot.com

  • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

    The point about Betsy and Bill relates to the subject of this post. KT is making fun of Palin for the euthanasia rumor.

    This isn’t taking the most ridiculous, inane portion of the opposition to represent the group as a whole.

    The euthanasia rumor started with the same GOP operatives who killed the Clinton health care reform back in 1993-1994.
    ~

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Here’s a politifact link that explains what, exactly, is in the bill. I’m going to add it as an update to my post:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/

  • Ivy_B

    OMG, before I went into the hospital for my recent operation I was encouraged to update my living will, given forms for that purpose and told to bring a signed and witnessed copy the day of the operation. That’s before Obama’s Death Panel is even working. What will it be like after that????

    Seriously, everyone should have a health care proxy and living will. How can SP and the others use this as one more thing to terrify those who need it most. That is, the ones on Medicare who are screaming protests against government run health care systems.

    Geez.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    McCaughey’s comments are “not just wrong, they are cruel.

    Jes sayin’

  • kujan

    Karen Tumulty is being her typically dishonest, disingenuous self.

    Karen Tumulty thinks Palin’s argument that under a government-run health system, the government would be making life and death decisions is “absurd”. So absurd, she goes out of her way to ignore that just last week, the State of Oregon decided it was cheaper to kill Barbara Wagener than treat her cancer.

    Sarah Palin argues that the finite resources of a government-run heath system would force the government into making choices about whether it’s cost-efficient to treat a Down’s Syndrome baby rather than abort one, or how much care to give to the elderly. Karen Tumulty thinks this argument is “absurd” because the health care plan doesn’t require you to get a living will, as the former Lt. Governor of New York would have you believe.

    Sarah Palin is looking at how the long-term, big picture view of government-run health care would affect her, her family and people like her. Karen Tumulty is distracting us with lies, absurdities and side-topics that simply cannot change the fact that she is absolutely, positively, Barbara Wagener wrong.

    It’s not Orwellian. It’s not absurd. It’s freaking Oregon. Google is your friend.

  • http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=9584 » Sarah Palin and Other Republicans Spread False Claims Regarding “Death Panels” and Euthanasia Liberal Values

    [...] all her demands that journalists “quit making things up” about her. He also quotes Karen Tumulty: Yes, such a system would indeed be downright evil. Which is why no one is proposing anything like [...]

  • bethnva

    Karen: You missed another key point that I learned from Maddow: the measure was introduced by a Georgia REPUBLICAN–it’s a good measure to enable better Living Wills to be written with a doctor’s input. It’s not required. Please include that in any discussions. It’s absolutely insane that Palin is practicallyi accusing Obama of infanticide based on reasonable legislation proposed by a Republican!

  • gysgt213

    Why does it matter what Sarah Palin says on any issue? She has repeatly demostrated that she has indepth knowledge of absolutely nothing. With one exception. Manipulation. At that she is an expert.

    That what she says has to be debunked is pretty strange to me.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Mental note: strike a line through the name homerhk on the list of reasonable persons worth conversing with.

  • donovong

    Holy Jeebus! Thank you for providing further evidence that Sarah Palin is not the only dumb-as-a-brick loon on the intertubes!

  • somepeoplelikeit

    From the link: “Her case is hardly unique,” said Michigan lawyer Geoffrey Fieger, who defended Dr. Jack Kevorkian’s crusade to legalize physician-assisted deaths. “In the rest of the country insurance companies are making these decisions and are not paying for suicide,” Fieger told ABCNews.com. “Involuntary choices are foisted on people all the time by virtue of denials.”
    .
    Also: A lifelong smoker, she was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2005 and quit. The state-run Oregon Health Plan generously paid for thousands of dollars worth of chemotherapy, radiation, a special bed and a wheelchair, according to Wagner
    .
    Finally, Now, at the request of her doctor, the pharmaceutical company Genentech is giving her Tarceva free of charge for one year.
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    So she’s not dead? Hmm, from your post you said “decided to kill” in past tense, as if the decision was made and carried out.
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    Sounds like you’re a liar. A liar defending Sarah Palins lies.
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    Spectacularly epic fail. Next!

  • somepeoplelikeit

    Gunny, judging from the type of people she manipulates I wouldn’t call her an expert. The type of people she fools wonder where the sun goes at night.

  • drmanus

    I think the american lingo is “You go girl!”

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • drmanus

    Gysgt213, you are right. This mutation is in fact becoming more common in women in the 21st century. We can only expect more of this as we evolve.

    Dr. Dakadil

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Two issues that I would like to have the Swamp’s opinions on:
    ~
    First, is anyone here concerned with the union organizations at the town hall meetings to confront the ‘health-care mob?’ Is anyone here aware that the union activists have engaged in violence and have sent people to the hospital. Many of you view the ‘mobs’ as bought-and-paid-for by corporate/private interests, yet what are your views on AFl-CIO sending out its well-oiled protest machine, inevitably leading to violence with the opposition?
    ~
    Second, is no one concerned in the slightest with the WH measure to encourage the public to report ‘disinformation’ about the health-care debate to flag@whitehouse.gov? Certainly, many of you would be outraged had Bush pressured the public to report email chains that he deemed ‘disinformation’ on one of his many unpopular initiatives. Is there any doubt that the authors of these emails, their email addresses, their IP addresses, ect will not be logged by the WH and used for whatever purposes they deem necessary? Is this not at all troubling that the WH is essentially asking the public to report the opposition to subsequently database these individuals. There are some serious constitutional issues at stake with this measure.

  • jwadvocate

    That’s a pretty normal response, when considering how crazy the accusation is.

  • drmanus

    Although everything you said was true, it’s primarily based off of a prepositional deontological indefensible concern that expired, disordered, weak, or mentally incapacitated humans are valuable. This is contrary to our nature, a direct threat against the survival of the species, and an irrational and indefensible statement based on science and reason. Please take your supernaturalism and anti-neopositivist philosophy to church.

    Dr. Manus Dakadil

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • jwadvocate

    If they show me a picture of the opposing side of the debate having actual discourse and discussion rather than shouting nonsensical slogans to drown others out (talk about democracy!) then I’d be more willing to believe the whole “few bad apples” argument.

  • drmanus

    Sarah Palin lies, Barack Hussein Obama does not, has not, and WILL not lie the the american people.

    Dr. Manus Dakadil

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    As a follow up, I am not posing these questions to stir up a hornet’s nest of distorted partisanship. These are genuinely benign questions to which I would appreciate civil, reasoned responses. Please take a moment to truly ponder these, seriously consider your reactions were this maneuver to have been a Bush initiative. What would your response to such have been?

  • somepeoplelikeit

    1. Any organized group that has the sole purpose of disrupting a town hall meeting does not have my support. Having said that, I firmly believe that the Glen Becks of the world created this by fooling old people into protesting something they didn’t understand. It’s a way to channel their discomfort in a black president with a funny name. You may disagree but with quotes like “get your gov hands off my medicare” and “I want my country back” what are they really there for?

    2. The lies regarding the HC debate that are being circulated as fact are crippling the debate. We can only assume what the WH will do with them, so assume away. But as to the Bush reference, uh Patriot Act anyone? He don’t need no snitches!

  • drmanus

    Why is this concerning to you? Misinformation should be identified and eliminated even if this means abdicating the right to freedom of speech. Bush lied to USA & World, Obama is bringing us closer.

  • drmanus

    Why is this concerning to you? Misinformation should be identified and eliminated even if this means abdicating the right to freedom of speech. Bush lied to USA & World, Obama is bringing us closer.

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • somepeoplelikeit

    Doc, I gotta tell ya I don’t agree that misinformation is a reason to abdicate our freedom of speech. People can say whatever they like in this great country, our problem is our beloved “4th estate” is not doing a great job of calling a liar a liar. Our freedom of speech should never be in danger just because fools choose to be misinformed and spread that misinformation.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Sorry, doc, but here in the US, there is never just cause to abdicate freedom of speech.

  • drmanus

    Then how did Barak Huessein get away with the recent disinformation policy?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I wrote that there is never a just cause to dissolve freedom of speech; I did not say it never happens.

  • donovong

    The thread has been hijacked.

    Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Dr. Manus,

    From your blog:
    American Women are also gaining considerable weight— which is commonly referred to as the female obesity epidemic—to the extent that sometime in this generation’s existence it is quite possible that we may observe this dominant sex eat a full human male.
    ~
    I thought you seemed a slight bit disturbed based on your commentary here. I now rest my case.

  • drmanus

    Exiled, what is justice? Justice is an explanatory fallacy. You refer to justice as it is a commonly agreed upon concept. As stated before this type of anti-neopositivist, supernaturalist, notion is not empirically defensible. This “justice” you refer to is a prepositional deontological indefensible notion that humans have developed to preserve our species. Aspects of justice had and still have use in the preservation of the species, but freedom of speech is losing it’s power in preserving the species and will soon be eliminated, hopefully by Barack.

    Dr. Manus

    http://dildaka.blogspot.com/

  • somepeoplelikeit

    Uh, may be time to whip out that prescription pad and write yourself a lil something Doc.

  • drmanus

    Exiled,

    The blog post was a proposition; meaning it is still open to discussion (see last line of the post) and consideration. If you have an empirically defensible objection, like the others that responded, please feel free to do so.

  • sacredh

    It is the weekend. It is the last thread. Unless they throw us another bone to pick at, this puppy is probably open.

  • kevin

    Palin is purposefully enraging the extremist fringe of the pro-life movement, and one of them — like George Tiller’s assassin — is going to act on that rage.

    If the rest of the media doesn’t persist in loudly denouncing these lies — now, repeatedly — they’re going to be complicit in whatever acts of violence erupt.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Doc,
    Why do I get the impression that you are not a supporter of Obama, but merely attempting to posture your incredibly insane views as associated with the President for purposes of discrediting him? I believe that you merely engaging in rhetorical espionage, please return to your vile blog.

  • somepeoplelikeit

    what’s been up sacred? I’ve been on outrage vacation for a while but now I’m ready for some!
    .
    Seriously though, this is the kind of stuff that happens when the media just repeats Palins lies instead of calling them lies.
    .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/brad-miller-death-threat-_n_254493.html

  • kujan

    What’s absurd is Karen Tumulty’s argument that what is already happening is never going to happen. Whatever you think of Barbara Wagener, the fact is her (state) government run health program made the decision that saving her life wasn’t cost effective. That to me sounds pretty much like a death panel. Sarah Palin’s argument isn’t absurd, Karen Tumulty’s delusional refusal to accept the modern reality is.

    And it is completely disingenuous for Tumulty to argue, as President Obama does, that the system itself is broken but you get to keep the part that works for you. Come on. These people are both dishonest and dishonorable, and the only thing that gives them any cover as to what is and isn’t in the bill is that they aren’t honest or competent enough to bother taking the time to read it.

  • aberdeenphysicaltherapy

    Palin is correct and you are being deceitful. Obama’s “death panel” is a separate issue from having a living will. While Obama didn’t call it a “death panel” he clearly described it stating that he doesn’t care how much spirit (will to live or love of life) someone has left in them. Once you reach a certain age the government will decide whether you get to be treated or just given pain killers. One of the many ironies of it all is that if Senator Kennedy had been on this plan he would not have been treated.

    While Obama has thus far had the political sense not to comment on babies with Down Syndrome, the system he is putting in place coupled with abortion happy liberals (like Obama) will undoubtably exert tremendous pressure to abort any high risk pregnancy or just let the child go untreated (i.e. die) after the delivery (as Obama has already voted for after birth deaths in Illinois).

    You can call “The Panel” “quality care”, “best practices”, “evidence based care” or anthing else you want…but in the hands of the government (which will first “borrow” trillions from taxpayers to put all competing private insurance systems out of business and then need to save money when they run out of places to borrow money from), Palin’s description as the “Death Panel” will correctly describe its primary function.

  • drmanus

    @Kujan

    List of fallacies used in your argument:

    logical disjunction
    ad hominem
    ad hominem
    illicit major
    ad hominem
    straw man
    ad hominem

    Thus, fallacious, invalid, and unsound.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    So, whar be th’ youtube, splicin’ this nonsense wi’ Sarah sayin “How ’bout ye quit makin’ things up!”, an suggestin’ she be takin’ a bit o’ ‘er own advice?!
    .
    I’d sure li’ t’ be seein’ tha’!
    .
    YARR

  • sacredh

    somepeoplelikeit,

    I’ve been busier than a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest. The library project is starting to look really good although I’m having a hard time convincing my wife to let me put down a marble or granite floor.

    In the outrage department, I’ve been trying to convince guys at work to get on their representatives to support the healthcare reform. Even some of the ones that should know better are taking their cues from rightwing radio and repeating the nonsense as fact.

    This Sarah stuff has been a welcome distraction. I’m starting to get a little fond of that douche bag. If she does run in the primaries, I’m thinking seriously of changing my registration just to vote for her since there won’t be any democrats seriously challenging Obama.

  • drmanus

    Too many fallacious propositions to write.

  • repzak

    Why does the front page of time.com show Amy Sullivan as author of this post?

    Anyway it’s scary to see people talking about Death Panels when it’s really about empowering people to make their own choices. There are many people that don’t want to be kept alive under extreme circumstances. Giving them the option to opt out of that is the exact opposite of government intervention. It’s giving the power over your life back to the people.

  • Cliff

    what is this i don’t even

  • Cliff

    Huh. So on the one hand, we have Palin supporters who have miraculously figured out how to use keyboards, showing up and bleating plaintively at any perceived insult against the Quitter Queen.
    .
    On the other hand, we have nutjobs like drmanus refuting them.
    .
    A surreal end to a surreal week.

  • http://journalisk.com/news/politea/2009/palin-on-american-medicine/ Palin On American Medicine | Journalisk

    [...] Facebook Sarah Palin writes: “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome [...]

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Exiled–
    .
    It is your right to ignore the racial component of this debate, just as it’s the GOP to continue behaving as if their trouble attracting any minorities is some how indicative of something being wrong with the minority groups that reject them. It’s okay, I can chalk it all up to monumental ignorance–after all there is no shortage of stupidity in this country, why shouldn’t you have some too?
    .
    But how dare you tell me I’m in denial as if lynching white people is an everyday occurrence.
    .
    Maybe one day you’ll find yourself on the way to Disney with the kids and you’ll stop in a diner because you have to feed the little rug rats and you’ll find yourself surrounded by skin heads spitting in your food, asking you to explain how you’ve dared to breath their air with out permission, telling you that it was the kind of infraction that deserved a lash or two. Now I don’t know if it was just plain luck that a couple of state troopers decided to get hungry or some kind citizen calling for help, frankly, I like to think it was the latter.
    .
    But until you live through that, don’t you dare tell me what being white is like. The one thing black people learn about in this country, from the moment they can perceive the world around them, is what white people are like. Are most like those idiots that scarred my kids for life, absolutely not. And I have done my job well and convinced my kids that it was an isolated incident and the act of cowards and fools. I’ve told them every race has bad apples, but its not as if I could point to a history of white people being attacked for being white. Nevertheless, despite what I taught them, how long do you think it took them to recognize that rabid anger in the faces of many of those angry mobs?
    .
    So until you fear for your life because a fellow citizen decides your skin color gives them the right to ruin your day, STFU you ignorant a$$hole.

  • Ivy_B

    In the old days of QH, we used to ask for better trolls. Perhaps we need to start asking again.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    On second thought, having read more and more of your utter nonsense, I think you actually believe what you say, which is quite scary. It’s one thing to attribute extremist views to your opponents to discredit them, it’s entirely different to actually believe such non-sense, while advocating on behalf of Obama, and acting as if you are merely a scientific based rationalist. You’re doing a great disservice to your fellow progressives.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    It was the GOP that argued that states rights crap, now you wanna get pissed because its backfiring on you? Hmm shortsighted and stupid — how’s that working for you?

  • stuartzechman

    Sincere thanks to today’s trolls for clearly demonstrating that trollery does not mean the endless, vituperative commentary of argumentative rightists, trollery is trollery.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Oh spare me this I’m afraid of my government crap — the only ones wearing brownshirts and black boots is the crazy tea baggers, birthers, and the GOP that love them — It’s called the authoritarian dynamic, look it up.
    .
    Union activist, aren’t some special breed of human. They are hardworking Americans who campaigned, voted and support a Democratic agenda and supporting the candidates they elected is not an act of violence. What is it that you want exactly, for Democrats exhausted by the conservatives stunning failures, paying the price with their lost wealth, stagnate wages, and absurd lack of health care. to roll over and play dead because deep down we know that the conservative way is better? Please get over yourself, we tried it your way and you broke the country. We are not giving it back to you no matter how much kool aid you threaten to drink.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    By any chance is drmanus one of the boys from brazil?

  • kristiia

    You know, it seems funny because it is such pure lunacy, BUT then it also feels like we are on the edge of one or more of the LUNATICS who actually believe this crap doing something horrible.

    That a former Governor actually had the ignorance and gall to write and disseminate to her many ignorant and hateful supporters these lies and smears is just mind-boggling.

    These idiots are going to get someone killed by one of their nutcases.

    Are there any lies that the Republican establishment will actually bother to correct?

    The misinformed fools are running around throwing fits, spouting off their anger while the rest of us look on in bemused horror.

    I really fear a nutcase is going to shoot some poor Congress person when they just walk out their front door. I also am extremely worried about the protection around the President (That is actually an understatement).

    It feels like lunacy is just dancing all around us – like we are just waiting for a explosion of some kind to happen.

  • jeffdavis0

    Palin is one of the most misguided, offensive, thoughtless people on the entire political landscape. It’s just too bad the media, including this magazine, don’t take a cue from her, and treat her now as a political has-been hack until she actually becomes a candidate. Just ignore her, folks. Her view are worthless.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Dee,
    But how dare you tell me I’m in denial as if lynching white people is an everyday occurrence.
    .
    You are free to draw whatever paranoid assumptions you wish, however, nowhere in my commentary have I come close to suggesting such nonsense.
    .
    So until you fear for your life because a fellow citizen decides your skin color gives them the right to ruin your day, STFU you ignorant a$$hole.
    .
    Just so I am clear on the guidelines, is it racist of me to characterize this last vituperative ad homienm as uncouth?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    *ad hominem

  • hellslittlestangel

    From open thread to open sore in less than 24 hours.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    To the contrary, attacking anti-reform protesters is not simply supporting one’s elected officials, it is violence, organized violence at that, coordinated by Mr. Sweeny.
    .
    Furthermore, you ignored the issue of this email address set up by the WH whereby Americans are encouraged to report their fellow citizens as ‘disinformers.’ But, it is ok, right, because Obama would never abuse such unconstitutional means of silencing critics.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Exiled–
    .
    Sometimes, I’m forced to question your sincerity, in one breath you ask that your inquiries be taken seriously and then you ask such stupid questions. You write that we shouldn’t respond with partisan rhetoric, yet you frame your questions from a partisan perspective. So I’m left to think either you’ve been grossly undereducated or you are a lying freak whose wasting my time. Which is it?
    .
    Conservatives claim to love working people, yet you continuously denigrate union members, who do you think is in a union? These are hardworking Americans who have banded together to protect themselves from the abuses of greedy corporations. How did they become the evil enemy?
    .
    Are you really so unaware of the history of the labor movement in this country that you would portray union members as violent thugs. If I recall the violence began with corporations hiring thugs, pretty much like they are doing right now, to intimidate workers and prevent them from forming unions. Have union members ever been violent? Occasionally they’ve tried to physically block corporations from bringing in lower wage scabs, sometimes even illegal immigrants who are desperate for work and can’t complain about things like not getting overtime or not making minimum wages. But I think to paint them as angry violent mobs is a bit much even for Republicans. They are American workers defending their livelihood from interests that couldn’t care less about whether they can feed their families.
    .
    If not for unions we would still be talking about child labor, employee death rates, abuse of workers. Unions didn’t just change things for their workers, they changed things for all workers. Do you think its an accident that in the south where few are unionized, you have the most uninsured, lowest wages, lowest educational achievements, pretty much at the bottom of all social growth indicators. So how is that faith in free markets working for you?
    .
    You ask why isn’t anyone troubled by Obama’s abuse of power, pressuring Americans to snitch on their fellow Americans. Then you frame it as if not being upset is proof of our hypocrisy because if Bush had done this we’d be livid.
    .
    First: Bush wouldn’t have asked for help, he would have just run a secret program to track down emails and senders.

    Second: Obama is not pressuring Americans for anything. He asked his supporters to pass along any rumors circulating so they can be debunked rather than left unaddressed to scare the bejesus out of seniors.
    .
    Did you think all that talk about internet rumors during the campaign about Obama the secret Muslim was Democratic hype? Did you tell yourself that if it wasn’t for Democrats complaining about the rumors it wouldn’t be a big deal.
    .
    BIRTHERS! Need I say anything more? And you wonder why I question your motives?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Palin hasn’t been right about anything except her decision to quit her job before she completely broke Alaska. Obama’s health care reform doesn’t have any death panels period! The plan promotes educating doctors and keeping them up to date about the most effective treatments for their patients but does not tell them which treatments to use. It doesn’t say anything even remotely close to these ridiculous accusations. And while I know Palin is too stupid to know the difference perhaps she should just be quiet instead passing on her stupidity to those operating on a similar intelligence level.

  • Ivy_B

    Have I mentioned recently how much I dislike the Reply to this comment? When I went away there were 56 comments. Now there are 61 numbered comments, but the page count says 139. So I have to figure out what time I went away and look through all comments for times after that?

    Or, option 2 – get a life. I’m taking Door #2 Monty.

    And I lost preview?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I actually am quite an advocate for unions. They act as a restraint against unbridled capitalism and profit-driven exploitation of workers. With that said, I do not support violent reprisals orchestrated by the AFL-CIO, a union in which my father is a member. I am merely curious as to why there is no backlash against this form of violence, while there is a synthetic outrage at the opposition ‘mob.’ I do not support these nuts and their menacing tactics at the town halls, but I also do not support the organized and violent retribution at the hands of the AFL-CIO. I guess that does make me a dishonest nutcase, though.

  • bitterpill8

    Have a good holiday KT.

    I am at a loss to understand why Palin’s ravings are being given any serious attention. I mean, really, when has she made sense? What next? An op-ed at WaPo?

  • Ivy_B

    Oh never mind…

    Not used to so many Reply tos. They are counted in total, but numbers only show original comments. Fine.

    And, now I have Preview back. Time to really take Door #2!

  • Cliff

    Preview comes and goes for me, too.
    .
    Worse, when I come to this page on Safari, I can’t scroll down while the page is loading because it keeps popping back up to the top of the page. Annoying as hell.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I’ve been experiencing all of these problems as well. Plus, today alone, I have had 4 or 5 comments vanish upon submitting them. Rewriting posts is quite tedious.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Exiled–
    .
    You can call it whatever you like. I’ve tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but it has become exceedingly clear that your denial of racial history, strife and the fact that the current upheaval against the “other” is the result of a number of whites being inconsolable about the country they know and love electing a black man. It’s obvious that you’d rather make it about my ability to see what’s staring all of us in the face rather than your inability to come to grips with reality.
    .
    It’s not me who came up with the Southern Strategy that was President Nixon.
    .
    I’m not the one who told his party that the manipulating racial animosity for votes was wrong and ultimately defeating — that would be vice presidential candidate Jack Kemp.
    .
    I didn’t just up and quit the Senate or after my party denigrated the first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice, That was GOP Senator Mel Martinez.
    .
    I’m not the one who acknowledged the disgraceful and rampant racist rhetoric coming from Limbaugh and crew — that was GOP Congressman Darryl Issa
    .
    So call me whatever you like, but it’s not using the word uncouth to describe foul language that makes you a racist it’s using it to describe a person because you disagree with them that is problematic. Since you don’t seem to be able to make that distinction, I have no doubt that you will eventually be saddled with the reputation you will have earned.

  • http://renegade98.wordpress.com/ renegade98

    Oh Sarah P, it doesn’t matter what you say, only your clueless group of hanger ons will buy into your lies. You are just a fool and prove it more everyday. See a doctor and try to straighten your head out.

  • http://renegade98.wordpress.com/ renegade98

    Sarah looks great, but she sure is stupid and it seems men fell for this women and didn’t care that she couldn’t answer a question coherently. McCain plucked her out of Alaska, saying this lady is hot, wow, we can do something with this. Well it just didn’t happen. Nice try McCain.

  • mrtakuan

    Having just gone through this process with a dying father-in-law, I wish someone had taken the time to counsel him in happier days. The saddest thing in the world is to have to discuss end-of-life issues with someone who is very aware that he has reached the end of his own life. It feels to everyone involved as if you’re abandoning them. Giving up. I pray a strong reform bill passes, and I hope this is part of the final bill.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    What distinction have I missed? You referred to me as an ‘ignorant a$$hole’ and I characterized that as uncouth. I am not merely upset because I disagree with you, I am perturbed by your incessant name calling of me. You seem to be the one disseminating vitriol simply on the grounds that we disagree. I have said on numerous occasions that I do not side with these “health care mobs.” That doesn’t mean that I must subsequently and wholeheartedly endorse the other side. I also support unions, yet that does not force me to condone their recent violent organizing.
    ~
    I do not reject the history of racial strife in this nation. But as someone born after its most sad episodes I seek rather to move forward instead of living in a past that I did not witness and which is no longer applicable. Racial tensions are perpetuated by the insistence on characterizing the events of today in the terms and context of the 1960s. You are incapable of viewing events through anything other than the racial prism of the past and that is what causes you and I to clash. I am not allowed to criticize a WH program of encouraging reporting of US citizens to the administration in violation of their right to free speech for any reason other than I must oppose him on the grounds of his race. You seem to be strangely comfortable with covering the Obama administration behind a veil of race, labeling any and all criticism of him as racially motivated. It’s an abhorrent tactic.

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  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Bitterpill–
    .
    It’s really quite simple, in strategic communications circles the practice is known as delegitimize and minimize. In other words, attach this thing to Palin and you diminish the impact in Democratic circles because they already think she’s too stupid to be worthy of attention.
    .
    And in this case the method is a triple threat because:
    .
    1) It allows them to reinforce the message that this is a grassroots effort, driven by the same angry followers we remember from the campaign.
    .
    2) Because she is a political train wreck, the media appears to be up to business as usual — so clearly they share no culpability.
    .
    3) Mean while the lack of coverage about the corporate money funding these right wing operatives shutting down town halls and trying to kill legislation that will impact their profits. As long as we’re talking about Palin and birthers etc. We are not talking about AHIP and Coke Industries and their connection to these lobbyists, elected officials and the revolving door between them and the previous administration. Let alone the clear infiltration of the most intolerant sects of Christianity slowly trying to turn our country into an authoritarian regime — From C street and the Family to Xe.
    .
    And of course, we are watching the last shiny object thrown in our path, Obama made a deal with big Pharma.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    I do not understand why everything Palin says gets so much attention. While I respect her as a woman who has gone far on the political stage, I hardly think her comments warrant the attention they always seem to garner.

    It is a shame that a lot of time and space is wasted on analyzing Palin who probably made her comments just because….

    The comments had no real weight and so I doubt she gave it much thought. Well, I know she will not be reading what anyone writes about her because she is not the “News reading sort”.

    As I have always said here and elsewhere, there are so many issues which I wish the media would focus on bringing attention to..

    PS: So many of the comments here are written in similar form, sort of like the same person with numerous aliases. Makes the pattern kind of predictable.

  • newsy1

    Why is Palin even talking? I thought she quit the human race. “Death panel?” So now, the little “you betcha” soccer mom is trying to scare the hell out of a ton of elderly people. My God, we can all thank McCain for bringing us this looney tune. I have a blog that regularly knocks her, FOX etc. at: http://newsy1.wordpress.com.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Newsys1,

    Calling Palin a “looney tune” is pretty disrespectful. You might not agree with her positions but hurling insults at her hardly makes your comments worth posting or even reading.
    You “read” familiar–”desperate like” Do you have many other comments on here?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I call you ignorant because you seem to be a little behind the curve when it comes to reading comprehension. First you imply that you will be called a racist because you used the term uncouth. Clearly, a reference to my response to Scherer for his use of the term. Obviously, the distinction you missed by your question is that the admonishment directed to Scherer was out of his specific use of the term to describe an individual as opposed to your usage to describe foul language. Now I can’t help it if you can’t keep up.
    .
    I called you an ignorant a$$hole, because despite clearly being ignorant of the experiences of people outside your immediate circle, when told of your inadequate education, you have the hubris to render these experiences invalid because of some imaginary expiration date you’ve placed on racial animus. My skin head experience was just a few years ago, not some distant past.
    .
    Across this country in the last year, we’ve had both black and Hispanic police officers killed mistakenly by white cops — yet in all the history of friendly fire there is not a single incident of minority officers shooting white undercover or off duty officers, but plenty of incidents happening the other way around. We’ve had black college kids, veterans on leave, immigrants and a guy leaving his bachelor party all shot for some version of breathing while black — not to mention past incidents of lone white gunmen shooting black couples in North Carolina, a black man being chained to a truck and dragged down a country road to his death. The mothers, sisters, and daughters of these men are supposed to say well let me get over that right now because exiled says it doesn’t matter any more, racial inequality was so last year.
    .
    Tell that to the rise in the use of lynching symbolism such as nooses in high schools, on college campuses and apparently Congressional town halls.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I understand your perspective, but I believe it to be inherently flawed. You suggest that there is just cause in taking a skeptical view of America’s majority because of the number of incidents that involve innocent minorities being killed or abused. However, by this reasoning, America’s law enforcement is justified in taking a heavy-handed approach towards minorities because out of all the felony murders of police officers the disproportionate majority involved minority offenders. Does this justify law enforcement taking a more cautious, even aggressive, posture with minority suspects?

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    The writer of the blog “Black Female Interracial Marriage” Shay Riley is a criminal who has illegally wiretapped my phones for Nine years and continues to do so, using my life and those of other law abiding women as fodder for her numerous blogs.

    Her husband Akbar Shabazz is a crook who runs scams used to defraud the public. He runs the so called “Black Conservative Think Tank, “Project 21” among many others and defrauds the public with great aplomb.

    They have changed the outlay of these sites and organizations since they know they are now under scrutiny. I was not surprised that the sites “Brother Peacemaker”, “Field Negro” and other sites run by this woman and her accomplices have been toned down to become less vociferous and of course as much effort as possible has gone into hiding the invented and fake officers with whom they mislead and rob the public at large.

    Hiding, weaving bobbing, commenting on this and other sites using very many many numerous aliases like “Dee” and “Gee” etc. is the main stay of online criminals. Tailing law abiding folk from one site to another is their modus operandii. I should know, I have dealt with these felons for Nine long years.

    They are desperately fearful of being caught and like other criminals of their ilk, spend a lot of effort in trying their best to blend and overrun numerous sites where they know revelation of their criminal acts might attract the attention of good upstanding citizens who will route them and stop their unrelenting robbery and acts of violent criminality.

    Once you start investigating them, they start to run and do everything to mislead those who are trying to hunt them down and bring them to justice and yes, they bug the phones and read the emails of those who investigate them. This is why they are free to date.

    Criminals like these whom I have described above (Shay Riley and Akbar Shabazz of “Project 21”–the scam site) should be investigated and prosecuted.

    These are the people I would like to see in the news.

    Sarah Palin makes a fairly good read but warning the public of online Thugs and criminals is the function of the press. Getting Justice for myself and others, as I have always said on here, is the reason I read these and other elite news sites.

  • hellslittlestangel

    Pardon the irony, but I hate it too.

  • mekhongkurt

    Dee, your comment — essay really (which I can say since I teach writing in university!) — is absolutely a breath of fresh air. There are other reasonable, well-presented comments in this thread, of course, but yours really stands out.

    *****

    I live overseas, and by happenstance, my circle is largely made of of people who hold, ahem, “strong views” — some on the left, others on the right, both generally at least fairly extreme (and sometimes downright wild-eyed).

    *****

    Over the past year or two, I’ve really grown weary of having to call both sides down on outright misinformation. (No, Bush didn’t fly a light plane around few hours then plopped into a fighter jet and handed a set of wings. He went through the whole enchilada of training. No, Obama wasn’t born in Kenya, on Mars, in Hell, or wherever. That sort of stuff. Heck, just before the election, one of my more extreme acquaintances on the left loudly announced to a restaurant-full of us that even if McCain was ever really a POW, he was undoubtedly treated with kid gloves since his Father and Grandfather were admirals! Unbelievable . . .)

    *****

    I hope you comment all over the Internet!

  • ohiolib

    To answer your first question, exiled, I think we have the potential for problems whenever any single entity, be it the R party or unions, starts organizing or encouraging violence. There are very few cases where violent protest is justified, and the odds are very long that any of them would ever occur in this country. So to answer your question, I think it’s equally wrong for any group to organize knowing, intending, or hoping for violence. However, I have a bigger problem with a political party doing than than a union. Why? Well first, political parties have a much broader and clearer agenda, while unions are (usually) focused on only a few issues. This means that violence based from parties has the potential to go much longer and become more dangerous. Secondly, unions are private? (I don’t know for sure, though) entities, while parties are much closer to the public sphere. For a party to encourage or condone violence is much closer to a gov’t seal of approval on such actions.

    As for the Obama amateur reporting, I think there are much bigger issues with the potential for abuse of information itself (spamming, leaks, security gaps, etc) than with the practice of people contacting an administration to complain. I don’t care for the idea of the government asking people to reporting “misinformation”, but neither to I see the constitutional threats you implied. What are they? And considering how the Ds keeping getting rolled by the Rs partially because they aren’t aggressive enough in combating rumors and lies, I’m glad Obama is actually trying to track down and destroy them. I don’t much care for ho0w he’s doing it, but i just don’t see the major threats here. Now, if there is something important you didn’t add, please add it. But I just see this as an unsavory version of oppo research. Dirty, but legal.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    mekhongkurt
    ~
    Perhaps you missed her many slanders of those she disagrees with as racists, homophobes, sexists, traitors, etc. Dee illustrates a profound contempt for all conservatives, so much so that she is willing to engage in slanderous libel to de-legitimize their views. She is symptomatic of that which is abhorrent in politics, the wanton demonization of one’s opponents while purporting to take the high road of righteous probity. She manipulates any and all with which she disagrees into the most perverse caricatures. For example, my opposition to non-essential abortions, she twisted into an advocacy for suppression of impoverished minorities by curbing their ability rise to out of destitution. My opposition to some of Obama’s initiatives, according to her, stems simply from my ignorance and fear of his race. Her commentary is wholly lacking in any acceptance or understanding of her counterparts and is certainly undeserving of applaud.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Lawyermommy, what would you call someone who has a documented history of falsehood, nepotism, corruption and incompetence? What would you call someone who has spent her time on the national stage peddling obvious falsehoods, attacking the president and healthcare reform in the most despicable ways? What would you call someone who ran away from her responsibilities as an elected official, having achieved nothing for her state and the voters who elected her?

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Congratulations on being even kookier than Palin. Did it take you long?

  • rose83

    This thread confirms my opinion that surrounding Sarah Palin is a vortex of stupidity. Others can match her stupidity but I can’t think of anyone else who is so rarely the subject of an intelligent discussion.

  • henqiguai

    re page 3 #71 lawyermommy (August 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm)

    Calling Palin a “looney tune” is pretty disrespectful.

    No, it’s being precise. Or have you bothered to pay any critical attention to any of Palin’s comments since she came onto the national stage ?

    You “read” familiar–”desperate like” Do you have many other comments on here?

    And you ‘read’ lazy. You want to know if newsys1 has any other comments, a simple search would reveal any such entries. You also ‘read’ with difficulty; are you saying newsys1 seems “desperate[sic] like” or are you trying to quote newsys1 ?

    You might not agree with her positions but hurling insults at her hardly makes your comments worth posting or even reading.

    Hmmm. Overly sensitive, and, maybe new to these parts ?

    And, should you chose to respond to this entry, let me say right up front that, yeah, I am off-the-wall (see the handle…)

  • jcapan

    Ditto that Rose–there are at least two clinically insane people participating in this thread.

    Reminds me of visiting Thailand with my then gf–we walked into a bar and quickly caught on that it was a place for fat western tourists to pick up underage prostitutes. Felt like we needed a shower after bolting.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    So many responses. As I said before, typical for desperate online felons I am seeking to have incarcerated. The style very familiar and all the same.
    The writing and desperation glaringly obvious—a stench I recognize and know so well.

    It has been Nine long years of reading and hunting Akbar Shabazz the criminal who runs the so called “Black Conservative Think Tank” “Project 21” and Shay Riley-the Thief and Thug who pretends to be interracially married but spends time preying on innocent law abiding women. How familiar to see a mass flurry of the same typical responses I have documented for a long while. How pathetic and desperate sounding.

    As for “henqiguai”, I know you are not new around here– and your writing as usual is familiar along with your numerous handles.
    “Lazy” ? Name calling? Hardly a surprise. This is your usual tack, No? Quite irritating really.

    As I indicated, I post on here because I seek the incarceration of Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog” and her husband “Akbar Shabazz” a scam artist and a felon.

    The modus operandii of these criminals is to use numerous aliases on comment boards (over a prolonged period) to detract attention from comments like mine which cause upstanding folk to take a more indepth look at the felons I want jailed.

    Exchanges with desperate sounding commenters whose writing style is exactly the same as that of so many many others on here is to say the least, a waste. The same person over and over and over again. The same commenter, so many many aliases. Desperate, fearful and sick. A slow but certain train wreck.

  • dla2s

    even though I agree with some more than others here. I am glad to be here. So much more intelligent comments here. I quit yahoo comments for that is for people with the same I Q as Mrs. Palin.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    We’re a raucous bunch, but most (even the many here I disagree with frequently) are highly intelligent and independent in their thinking.

  • dla2s

    Feels like home.

  • drmanus

    Exile,

    I assume you are excluding me? Or maybe you are including? Or am I still the “anti-obama spy” in disguise?

    Dr. Manus

  • juniusredivivus

    The same commenter, so many many aliases. Desperate, fearful and sick. A slow but certain train wreck.

    Lawyermommy, that’s a fine autobiographical ending you have there.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    It is not auto biographical. It is specifically referencing Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog.” This felon calls the phones of minors to frighten their parents. She should be in jail. So, yes she is the slow and certain train wreck.

    Criminals of this sort are eventually incarcerated even though apprehension and prosecution of online Thugs and violent felons is a slower process than most law abiding citizens would want.

    Alias after alias. Same commenter, comment after comment, oozing undisguised desperation and fear. Pathetic criminal she is. Sick, deserving of a long jail term.

    Shay Riley aka Halima Sal Andersen of the “Black Womens Interelationship Circle” is a desperate felon.

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  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    “juniusredivivus said 1 hour ago:

    The same commenter, so many many aliases. Desperate, fearful and sick. A slow but certain train wreck.

    Lawyermommy, that’s a fine autobiographical ending you have there.

    You said 1 hour ago:

    It is not auto biographical. It is specifically referencing Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog.” This felon calls the phones of minors to frighten their parents. She should be in jail. So, yes she is the slow and certain train wreck.

    Criminals of this sort are eventually incarcerated even though apprehension and prosecution of online Thugs and violent felons is a slower process than most law abiding citizens would want.

    Alias after alias. Same commenter, comment after comment, oozing undisguised desperation and fear. Pathetic criminal she is. Sick, deserving of a long jail term.

    Shay Riley aka Halima Sal Andersen of the “Black Womens Interelationship Circle” is a desperate felon.

    —I responded to the comment by “juniusredivivus”

  • juniusredivivus

    Pathetic criminal she is.

    Who’d a thunk it? Yoda became a wingnut!

  • ohiotick

    I’m waiting for everyone to start chanting “Carousel”

  • sacredh

    I think the main reasons that so many of the comments are written in a similar form is because most of us are college educated, fairly intelligent, left of center social liberals with built-in BS detectors. We don’t mind calling each other out on various points and are almost as likely to hammer members of our own party (Reid, Pelosi, Nelson and Lieberman get almost as much grief from us as that idiot Palin).

    Read enough of the posts and you’ll start to pick up recurring patterns of syntax and grammar usage that are unique to each of us. Many of the posters are smart, but I doubt if we’re smart (or care) enough to stay in an alias for any length of time (like a whole post).

  • sacredh

    It does have the feel of home doesn’t it? I even gave up trolling the wingnut sites trying to get the true crazies to blow an artery. Welcome to Swampland.

  • henqiguai

    re page 3 #75 – lawyermommy (August 8, 2009 at 6:41 pm)

    As for “henqiguai”, I know you are not new around here– and your writing as usual is familiar along with your numerous handles.
    “Lazy” ? Name calling? Hardly a surprise. This is your usual tack, No? Quite irritating really.

    Ya done struck out, babe. I got only the single ‘handle’ for all my limited blogging across the blogosphere, and here I am primarily a lurker; got maybe five comments total.
    “New” ? No I’m not, in the sense that I stumbled across the Swamp last year. But I realized, this morning, that you seem familiar. Sometime back I recall seeing someone whining, always off-topic, about being slammed by a supposed online stalker. Was that you ? You’re back and with the same script ?
    Name calling ? I said your comment suggested you’re lazy; I said you’re overly sensitive. And suggested you might be new to the Swamp; particularly implying that you had not read enough to realize how your whining would be received. But I did not call you any names. I will do so now – you’re a troll of some sort. Oh, and you don’t know irritating; I can do irritating like you wouldn’t believe – it’s a professional attribute…

  • jlbrumb

    So until you fear for your life because a fellow citizen decides your skin color gives them the right to ruin your day, STFU you ignorant a$$hole.

    Showing real character here Dee!

    I see whites intimidated every day, should they reiterate your STFU, LLB**&^h.

  • inaemala

    I am so sick of what Mez. Palin is spewing out. I think every Facebook user needs to contact Facebook and ask them to suspend her account until she apologizes and/or gets mental health help!

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Well, doc, I can’t say that you’re not independent, given your proposition of impending gender-based cannibalism. As for Obama, I’m now sure you actually are one of his supporters, rather than a subterfuge-driven agent of delegitimization. The fact that you actually buy what you’re selling is nothing short of shocking.

  • Mike Licht
  • piper1

    Am I to understand that you think we are all (or most of us) “Shay Riley?” I’m not a doctor, but I don’t say this flippantly: please seek help. To call your paranoid delusions nonsensical would be giving them far too much credit. I’m saddened, scared, embarrassed and appalled all at once.
    .
    On Topic: Sarah, how can we miss you if you won’t go away?? And won’t you please stop “making stuff up?” for The Troops??

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    “piper1 said 6 hours ago:
    Am I to understand that you think we are all (or most of us) “Shay Riley?” I’m not a doctor, but I don’t say this flippantly: please seek help. To call your paranoid delusions nonsensical would be giving them far too much credit. I’m saddened, scared, embarrassed and appalled all at once.”

    “Piper1”:

    There are some in the population who are mentally ill and mocking them in this manner, all in an effort to abuse a fellow commenter, is crass and infact cruel. The reference to medications is a repeated and absurd one, however, it is an insult which I believe reflects a level of viciousness and inhumanity from which any right thinking person will draw the proper conclusion about you.

    It is also a weak and ineffective attempt to detract from my cogent comments on here.
    Yes, I am saying that Shay Riley of the website “Black Female Interracial Marriage” blog has many aliases this blog (has many many handles as different commenters) and repeatedly comments on piece after piece making remarks and responding to herself.

    The criminality of this THUG against me has continued for Nine years and in investigating and tracking down this woman and have become very well acquainted with her disgusting and vile modus operandii—
    One of which is to trail me (and other law abiding citizens whom they target) from site to site on which I make comments regarding her acts–and then Blitz those sites with numerous aliases to establish a presence and mount a failing effort to detract from the serious crimes which for which I am seeking a sustained investigation.

    They latch onto those sites in a manner called “Cyber Leeching”. It is used to establish a presence using numerous aliases and then attempt to distract and “bomb” away comments which expose them. The good news is that these efforts usually fail and after a while, investigators are usually able to pin point and identify these scumbags.

    Technology through the use of phone taps and hiding under the cover of the web (using numerous aliases) has made the apprehension of this breed of serial offenders more challenging than the day to day hoodlums who have been routed by the penal system.

    The online hoodlums can wiretap phones, alter their websites and in the case of these felons who have violently attacked and viciously brutalized me for years, their cries of “BLACK POWER” and “BLACK EMPOWERMENT” have created a buffer because for fear of being called racist, I believe, they are treated more gingerly than warranted by law enforcement.

    The fact is, I am a Lawyer and a proud American Citizen. I believe in the efficacy of our justice system and will not be deterred from my quest for justice and the incarceration of these felons, least of all by their failed attempts to detract from the facts and viciousness of which I write with churlish and inane comments alias after alias.

    Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog, a violent Predator and felon should be in jail. Neither will I stop posting on sites like this–sites through which a further and indepth investigation will be triggered.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    “piper1 said 6 hours ago:
    Am I to understand that you think we are all (or most of us) “Shay Riley?” I’m not a doctor, but I don’t say this flippantly: please seek help. To call your paranoid delusions nonsensical would be giving them far too much credit. I’m saddened, scared, embarrassed and appalled all at once.”

    “Piper1”:
    There are some in the population who are mentally ill and mocking them in this manner, all in an effort to abuse a fellow commenter, is crass and infact cruel. The reference to medications is a repeated and absurd one, however, it is an insult which I believe reflects a level of viciousness and inhumanity from which any right thinking person will draw the proper conclusion about you.
    It is also a weak and ineffective attempt to detract from my cogent comments on here.
    Yes, I am saying that Shay Riley of the website “Black Female Interracial Marriage” blog has many aliases this blog (has many many handles as different commenters) and repeatedly comments on piece after piece making remarks and responding to herself.

    The criminality of this THUG against me has continued for Nine years and in investigating and tracking down this woman and have become very well acquainted with her disgusting and vile modus operandii—
    One of which is to trail me (and other law abiding citizens whom they target) from site to site on which I make comments regarding her acts–and then Blitz those sites with numerous aliases to establish a presence and mount a failing effort to detract from the serious crimes which for which I am seeking a sustained investigation.

    They latch onto those sites in a manner called “Cyber Leeching”. It is used to establish a presence using numerous aliases and then attempt to distract and “bomb” away comments which expose them. The good news is that these efforts usually fail and after a while, investigators are usually able to pin point and identify these scumbags.

    Technology through the use of phone taps and hiding under the cover of the web (using numerous aliases) has made the apprehension of this breed of serial offenders more challenging than the day to day hoodlums who have been routed by the penal system.

    The online hoodlums can wiretap phones, alter their websites and in the case of these felons who have violently attacked and viciously brutalized me for years, their cries of “BLACK POWER” and “BLACK EMPOWERMENT” have created a buffer because for fear of being called racist, I believe, they are treated more gingerly than warranted by law enforcement.

    The fact is, I am a Lawyer and a proud American Citizen. I believe in the efficacy of our justice system and will not be deterred from my quest for justice and the incarceration of these felons, least of all by their failed attempts to detract from the facts and viciousness of which I write with THEIR churlish and inane comments alias after alias.

    Neither will I stop posting on sites like this–sites through which a further and indepth investigation will be triggered.

    Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog, a violent Predator and felon should be in jail.

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