Certified American

Then ignore them already!

You didn’t mention that he was black Joe. Because that is the real problem here. John McCain was actually not born in this country. He was however born in a foreign country while his dad was serving our country. Not his fault, but if it was John Hussein McCain and he was black that would be a problem.

No one really pays any attention to these kooks. Besides Larry King, the blogosphere and Fox, of course…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

(sigh)…well, if we’re gonna play, then let’s stop this in its tracks…was Hawaii REALLY a state when HE was born? Or still its own kingdom? As Lovely Sarah pointed out, if you’re not from AK or Rural America you’re not a Real American[tm], so he doesn’t count, right? Since McCain was born overseas, we should be serving President Palin!

Is our Americas learning. No. We never had smarts. Never had it. Never will.

not born in this country doesn’t mean not natural born citizen . . . .

She should know all about whether or not Hawaii is ‘Real America’. After all, in her six year quest to earn a bachelors degree she went to college in Hawaii. Twice.

this was meant to be a reply to deconstructiva’s comment about Palin.

Actually he did gunny — I think that’s what he meant by melanin deprived. But I wouldn’t have minded if had been more direct and just say the words in big bold neon like letters — Black Man in the white house Oh My!

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDgxNzY2YzZjYmFjNTBiZDQxYTNiZDVkMzdlMjM2Y2M=
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Joe, you’re a hack.

…thanks, and I’d love to know what were Palin’s grades before finally graduating from Idaho. Good point, though. Two tries and she still couldn’t get a piece of paper from Hawaii? At least Obama has his first key piece of paper there. Whether or not the RW’s bother to go to the state or county records, or hospital, and look is another matter, but I digress.

spob-before you buy the Bull S@#t at your bible the NRO/ Did you click on the link to the poll they cited?

Because the link where NRO says in this poll 35% of democrats believe Obama was born in Kenya actually goes to this poll from 2007.

“Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view.

Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Young Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.

However, just 8% of voters say the CIA was Very Truthful before the War in Iraq. Another 33% believe the CIA was Somewhat Truthful. Most, 52%, believe the CIA was Not Very Truthful or Not at All Truthful before the War.

Still, 57% have a favorable opinion of the CIA. Thirty-six percent (36%) have an unfavorable view.

Former CIA Director George Tenet doesn’t fare so well. He is viewed favorably by 29% of voters and unfavorably by 49%.

Just 12% have followed news stories about Tenet’s new book Very Closely. Another 29% have followed the stories Somewhat Closely. Fifty-six percent (56%) have not been following the news stories about Tenet.

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Now who is the hack? Joe, you or the NRO?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/president_bush/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

They exist and are a noisy element of the right wingnut fringe. They’re worth reporting on.

Rather than ignoring them — do journalism. Report that what they are selling is snake oil (not ‘he said, she said’ reports). There’s no ambiguity about this. Some are con men, some are gullible, and some are just plain nuts. They are flat earthers and they deserve exposure and public ridicule .

What??
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The point of the NRO post was that 35% dems believed GWB knew of 9/11 beforehand, yet the media didn’t talk about that at all. But now, with Obama’s place of birth an issue, the MSM is all over the truthers in the GOP?
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In any event, the problem seems to be that the birth certificate was issued upon a representation that he was born here, not that the hospital actually told the bureau of vital statistics that he was born here. I may be a little off on this because, quite frankly, until someone provides evidence that his mom was in Kenya when he was born, I am not going to pay attention to this.

spob gets pwned. Again.

Spob-You are right on the NRO post, but how does that prove Joe is a hack?

He’s a “Certified American” . . .

Does that mean that the others making an issue out of this are “certifiable”?

“Report that what they are selling is snake oil (not ‘he said, she said’ reports).”
Amen to that. Need more of.

Ultimately, I think that the real endgame and goal for the Birthers is: President Nancy Pelosi.

Because, gunny, he’s all up in arms about some white people, but was notably silent on the widely held Dem view that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.

Imagine what would happen if Barack Obama were proven to have been born in Kenya. Wow. That would be interesting.

http://www.zogby.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=855

“The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as “very conservative” supported the claim.”

Not just Dems, spongy.

Here is the White House Press Corps Warning the White House Of “Increased Adversarial Tone” If They Aren’t Nicer To the Press.

Print reporters in the White House press corps are seething at perceived slights against them by President Obama and his team. Many print journalists see their role being diminished as Obama and his aides seem to lavish attention on television anchors and reporters and on liberal bloggers,

Translation:

Be it almost no feedin’ thursday yet, mateys;)?

Lord knows spongy were throwin’ sh*t a’ th’ wall like a fiend tryin’ t’ get someone t’ bite – looks like ‘e were successful ‘ere.

Ah, well – it be a thread about stupidity, so I be guessin’ it be as good as any fer th’ sponge…

Arrgh.

FATA$$ joe Klein..you clearly are not an objective journailist and are deeply entrenched with the loony left. You look like an idiot for pretending to be an objective journailist. Either join the obama administration like your fellow TIMEer Carney or write for KOS. You are an embaressment to TIME magazine and objective journalists. You sound like crazy Keith being obsessed and jealous of Billo’s ratings when you rant about Bill Kristol. Even though KT is clearly a liberal..at least she tries to be objective

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/07/obamas-doj-obstructing-justice.html
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Perhaps Joe could blog about that.
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PW, your charming self, once again. Look, my point is that a hell of a lot of Dems believed that nonsense about Bush and 9/11, yet the MSM never really cared. Now because Obama’s birth certificate was able to be obtained fraudulently (from what I know, all that was required was a statement that he was born in Hawai’i), the MSM is peddling a story trying to smear all republicans. Like I said, until someone says that Obama’s mom was in Kenya giving birth, I don’t wanna hear about it.

piper, Zogby, need I say more
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What did they do their polling at a Michigan Militia convention?

Irrelevant, as is much of what you blather on about.

lighten up grape crush, you really are stupid, aren’t you?

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

ohiolib, see you’re here, don’t forget, you got pwned on Sotomayor

Ye know, mateys, sometimes th’ Constitution just no’ be sufficient. Sometimes, we needs t’ be goin’ above an’ beyond wha’ th’ Constitution be requirin’. Tha’ pesky ol’ Constitution – it were writ’ up o’er 200 years ago, so it can’t be expected t’ be applied t’day wi’out some additional requirements above an’ beyond wha’ be stated in thar!

http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm#con2.1.5

I mean, it were statin’ ye needs t’ be a natural-born citizen t’ be President…they must o’ been intendin’ tha’ some day we’d need t’ be makin’ adjustments an’ forcin’ certain people t’ be provin’, above an’ beyond wha’ th’ Constitution be sayin’, tha they be meetin’ th’ qualifications, ri’?

Th’ Constitution, in th’ eyes o’ Conservatives, were just writ’ fer tinkerin’ wi’, ri’?

So’s ev’ry time some whack job be comin down th’ pike wi’ some crazy idea they be pullin’ out o’ their a$$es, we needs t’ be adjustin’ th’ Constitution o’ th’ United States t’ be satisfyin’ ‘em, ri’?

No?

Thar be strict constructionists?

Or be they situational strict constructionists?

Fancy tha’!

YARR!

what are you yapping about PW?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/
Bin Laden determined to strike in US
I would have fired that dirty hippie Richard Clarke for trying to make me pay attention to this stuff as well.

Oh hey look everyone it’s Chuck Todd.

I’ve actually heard the most about this stuff from the Ron Paul fans. They are even more Republican than spob.

Oh wait no my mistake it’s Dana Milbank.

no he didn’t

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/07/mixed_messages_1.asp
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Or maybe we could get a Swampland post about our policy in Burma . . . .

I apologize for engaging our resident troll. I’ll let y’all get back to the Spongebob Show.

I think Brian Williams spending 5 minutes on birthers probably kept him from doing some even more stupid segment; for instance he could have had one of his former general/military industrial complex CEO buddies on to claim Obama was stabbing America in the face by not buying more F-22′s.

“There are a fair number of frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets”

In fact, some of them hang out here Joe.

I may have problems with Obama’s commitment to fundamental change, but observing the daily discomfort and the core inadequacy of the far right brings me great joy nonetheless. Though I’d have to add that I’m happy to be out of range of their white-sheeted free AK-47 crossfire.

Brian Williams wasting five minutes of his broadcast is like the garbage man wasting three ounces of that curdled milk I threw away last week.

Come now, Cliff, Brian Williams is the next Cronkite!

Folks, just remember: spob doesn’t have an American birth certificate. He’s a native of Trollistan. Ignore him, and he’ll shrivel up when the sun rises. Until then, as a public health measure, ignore the illegal alien among us.

If shooting down two of your “arguments” in one night, spob, means I got pwned, then sure, I got pwned

If by getting pwned you mean, shooting down two of your “arguments” in one evening, sure, I got pwned.

ohiolib, you didnt shoot me down on jack–i pwned you on Sotomayor
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I read the case–you quoted some dipsh1t from a rag.

You see – spob doesn’t have a birth certificate. Don’t respond to the un-American troll.

I’ll believe Obama was born in this country when we have irrefutable proof. His image on a piece of toast maybe.

junius, how is anything I’ve said in here trollish?
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Besides, your nic reeks of being an urbane effete twathead.

OT: I’m using Safari, and every time I refresh the page it does this thing where it keeps hopping back up to the top of the page as it loads the ads.
So if I scroll down without waiting for two minutes I get this schizophrenic freak out.

Anyone with comparable experiences, or all you all smug IE and Firefox users?

OT: I’m using Safari, and every time I refresh the page it does this thing where it keeps hopping back up to the top of the page as it loads the ads.
So if I scroll down without waiting for two minutes I get this schizophrenic freak out.

Anyone with comparable experiences, or are you all smug IE and Firefox users?

Ah, crap. I try to stop myself from posting an error and I clutter the thread up.

My apologies.

Aye, Wenchy! A day at a time, a week at a time, an’ we’ll be starvin’ the crinoids out o’ the Swamp!

Arrrg!

They’ve found a new avenue for their racism. You can stick his birth certificate in their face, and the nutballs still deny his citizenship. Reality doesn’t seem to share in their view of the world. Facts, are things to be denied. The denial of reality, is the springboard into their cosmology.

Firefox used to do something very similar to what you describe, esp. with popup ads. Firefox 3.5 has been much more stable.

Too many lawsuits based on this fallacy that Obama is not a citizen of the United States have been filed. I just want them to stop wasting our taxes… Read more at http://letterstotheeditors.wordpress.com

You see, spob doesn’t have a birth certificate. He can’t even manage a convincing denial. Not just a troll, but an illegal troll.

I know I’m late, just want to ask if the whole natural born thing means that the pres can’t be born via cesaerean delivery?

I agree with you 100%.

But I have a question about the goal for the birthers – what do they expect would happen if Obama were forced out? Do they recognize Biden and then Pelosi? Do they expect a re-do of the election? McCain by default?

I just don’t get it. Can someone enlighten me?

4 year terms for the President is Constitutionally mandated and I don’t believe there is any mechanism for a re-do, so it is my understanding that if the Birthers were to win the day and the election somehow invalidated (there is simply no realistic chance of that happening), we would swear in President Nancy Pelosi.

A group that calls themselves birthers is just plain freakish and cult-like anyway. I suppose according to birthers anyone who’s pappy wasn’t a member of skull & bones at Yale is subject to question. Kind of ironic since most of the birthers themselves probably never went to college.

Cliff, I have the exact same problem with Safari. Wierd it started when the blog format changed. I think it’s related to the ads loading.

Ha, I just noticed Cliff also said it’s when the ads are loading. That’s definitely the problem and in my experience it’s only with Time/CNN.

“There are a fair number of frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets. They listen to right-wing talk radio. They show up at Republican town meetings. They can not believe that a man named Barack Hussein Obama could actually have been elected President. I must admit, I relish their discomfort. But I wish they’d go away.”

The only possible good thing about maybe 100 million of our fellow citizens being functionally insane is that the rest of us come to realize what we’re up against. Thanks, Joe.

Cliff –

Same here, with latest version of Safari. It’s not a bug; it’s a feature. We just haven’t figured out how it helps anything.

Kinda like Bible Girl’s posts.

Hey Look! Lou “Circle the Wagons” Dobbs has chimed in on the Henry Louis Gates Jr. flap (kind of) – http://tr.im/tFxl

what I love about this topic is that it all comes down to a single argument:

No contemporaneous official documents have been produced attesting to Obama’s birth in the United States.

This whole thing could be settled quite easily if Team Obama would authorize the release of those documents — stuff like hospital admission and billing records, the actual register of live births (rather than a document produced 40 odd years later ostensibly based on those records), etc.

But to date, they have not permitted those records to be examined… which suggests to me that there is something being hidden. Now, my guess is that what is being hidden isn’t that Obama was born in Kenya (or Canada), but that Obama’s mom entered the hospital under her maiden name (for insurance purposes), and that Obama was officially born “Durham” not “Obama”.

But it doesn’t matter why Team Obama refuses to release the records, unless and until the records are released, this issue isn’t going away.

There’s a part of me that hopes Obama isn’t a natural born citizen. Just the thought of the democrats stealing an election appeals to my sense of justice. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if Obama holds a press conference in January 2017 and says “They were right, I’m not a natural born citizen. I remade the country, moved it to the left, presided over the death of the republican party and now I’m going to make millions rubbing it in.”?

If Glen Beck isn’t in an asylum by then, somebody should make reservations for him.

pluk, What about the birth announcements that were printed contemporaneously in the paper in Hawaii?

From http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/

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We have one more thing. We talked to reporter Will Hoover, who wrote a well-researched story for the Honolulu Advertiser on Nov. 9, 2008, about Obama’s childhood years in the the Aloha State. It ran under the headline “Obama Slept Here.”

In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.”

But here’s the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

“That’s not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, ‘Hey, can you put this in?’” Hoover explained.

Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers — on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States.
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Oh lawdy lawdy.

P_luk’s a “birther” now. Har!

What about the two Hawaiian newspapers that reported Obama’s birth? This was shown on Lou Dobb’s own show by his fill-in host. Dobbs doesn’t watch his own network.

I’m sorry. I’ve never said anythingthing about pluk before, but:

Hells bells! Come on, now Are you going to tell us that there were alien kidnappings going on all along too?

Well Ivy, with the utter hatred the RW nuts have for both the government and the media, yes, they probably do believe that exact conspiracy.

Me, either, Fifty-Three. I’ve always enjoyed p_luk’s comments, AND admired his work on the Georgie Dubya Bush AWOL story.

That’s why I am astonished that he’s gone off the deep end with this “birther” stuff.

I thought Williams’ piece was pretty good. It gave him an opportunity to say there was a birth certificate, he brought up all the others there have been accusations against not being natural born citizens (including McCain) and he showed a couple of the crazies looking like crazies.

For people who watch the evening news but not the internets or the cable shows it was a good introduction that basically said “this is a growing issue for Republicans” who don’t know how to deal with the fringe who think Obama’s not an American.”

Williams also showed a clipping from a Hawaiian paper with Obama’s birth announcement.

If Barack wasn’t born in this country it was terribly clever of his parents to plant a birth announcement in a Hawaiian paper because he was, you know, going to grow up and be president.

All of this birth certificate stuff is more fun than filling up a bucket with water balloons and going after hitch-hikers.

I agree sacredh. So did Jon Stewart.

http://bit.ly/4EANxr

“But right-wing nutballs and media giants like Lou Dobbs…”

…so Dobbs as the new Ambassador to Kenya or Mexico is off the table?

Hey p_luk, Jason Linkins has the scenario for ya:

LIGHTS UP on SOME GUY and SOME OTHER GUY

SOME GUY: Hey! I know this lady, she’s given birth to a Kenyan. What do you say we make him President?

SOME OTHER GUY: Uhm…it’s like, 1960. We are never going to get a black guy elected President.

SOME GUY: Trust me! We can totally do this!

SOME OTHER GUY: Okay, why does it have to be a Kenyan? Why not just some black guy here, in America? I mean, this just seems needlessly pointless and convoluted and hard.

SOME GUY: I DON’T KNOW. IT JUST HAS TO BE THIS KENYAN.

SOME OTHER GUY: Okay, well, you know, of course, that Kenyans can’t be President. So, are we going to convene a Constitutional convention or something?

SOME GUY: No, I just thought we’d get a bunch of government officials, from both parties, at the Federal, state, and local level, to all help with this, for little to no money, for forty years. And obviously, we’ll need to be constantly inculcating people in this cabal, including people who aren’t even born yet. And we’ll all have to stay quiet about it, and not let anyone know. But, yeah, we can totally do this.

SOME OTHER GUY: Okay. And what would be the point to this? What’s the outcome we’re seeking?

SOME GUY: I HAVEN’T THE FOGGIEST IDEA!

Source: Explaining The ‘Birther’ Conspiracy

Well, I hope he comes to his senses. Othewise, we got another area-51′er.

Mind you, I live within eyeshot of Mount Rainier.

That’s the birthplace of the UFO cults. That’s where it all started.

James, LA. I’m with you on this.

Pluk: You seem to be assuming that a) the birthers would be subject to “proof,” when they haven’t been susceptible to the proof already shown, and that b) Obama cares whether there are lunatics out there claiming he’s not American.

They think he’s not American because he has a funny name and he’s Black. No “proof” is going to change either of those things.

This issue is hurting the Republicans, not Obama. So he should stop it why?

I would have thought that Scott Roeder being a birther nut would have shut these people up for a while.

I’m almost ready to join the conspiracy theorists. The government is putting something in the water to make people stupid. The red states have been getting double doses. Maybe triple. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

sacredh -

Last fall I heard a piece on NPR about a study that showed when conservatives were shown that something they believed was incorrect, they were more likely to continue believing it. Everybody else changed their opinion in the face of definitive proof.

Yikes sacredh, you may be on to something! When I was a child flouridating drinking water was a communist plot so I now have thousands of dollars worth of crowns in my mouth, but at least the commies didn’t put teh stupid in the water.

Kathy, Yesterday Talk of the Nation did their obligatory birther spot and featured the professor who did rumor belief research.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106890664

I have a few conservative friends like that. They’ll send me links to the most ridiculous websites as proof of their opinions and then get all upset when I e-mail them back a picture of my ass. Either I’m not very subtle or they’re missing the implied social commentary.

sacredh, you ARE onto something with poisoned water in red areas: coal ash spill in TN, zinc and lead mining in OK (Picher, OK literally abandoned), MT asbestos mining (Libby, MT.)…and don’t forget in the real-life “Erin Brockovich”, Hinckley, CA (what’s left of it) is in the mostly conservative part of the state. Woody Allen’s “Don’t Drink the Water” was so prescient. Thanks for discovering this issue.

I’ve done my part for investigative journalism. I’ve exposed a government plot to chemically send the red states back to the dark ages where superstition and shadows ruled the day. Do I get a cookie?

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I’m not a good cookie baker so I buy them, but hopefully Karen is, or Jay…or Amy? Double entendres about “hot cross buns”…must…not… go…there…forgive me, Amy….
…but I would recommend avoiding Sarah Palin’s cookies, especially when wrapped up in a blanket (or her towel?) while reading the Bible, which literally happened in Feb. – http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/04/paralyzing-state-government-or.html (maybe Oreo’s and Chips Ahoy are the safe bets for us? I’m partial to Archway cookies)

Ivy,
My experience with Bush’s National Guard records tells me that one does not depend on what people say — the only source of information is the documents themselves. “Experts” can’t be relied upon, because their memories are often (and often conveniently) faulty. Only the actual documents are reliable.

Now, if Will Hoover produced documents showing that “birth announcements” only appeared on the paper after they were reported to the paper by the state — and that the state only reported such births if they occurred within the state — then you’d have documentary evidence that the birth announcements are relevant.

Again, the ultimate question is “where are the contemporaneous official records”. Rather than a newspaper announcement, why not provide the documents that resulted in those announcements from the state, if in fact such a newspaper announcement could only be generated if everything was on the up-and-up?

I’m not going off the deep end.

I’m simply asking for the documents before I draw a conclusion. Its the same way I worked with the Bush National Guard records — I didn’t rely on “what people said” or “what was in the paper”, I went and found the contemporaneous procedures and policy manuals relevant to Bush’s military service.

Obama’s birth records are incomplete, just as Bush’s military records are incomplete. The fact that I’m skeptical of Obama’s birth records arises from the same impulse that made me question Bush’s military records.

James, mock all you want.

The point is that I don’t think that Obama was born outside the USA. I just think that there is more to the story, because Team Obama refuses to release the contemporaneous documents.

I mean, seriously, what reason is there to NOT release the documents? Why rely on second hand sources when the originals are available? If this was about Bush’s military records, would you be as accepting of secondary sources?

I’m not assuming anything about whether the ‘birthers’ can be convinced. What I’m pointing out is that original source documents do exist, but have not been released, and there is no known good reason not to release those documents.

That would be because he did know. He’d been briefed. He just didn’t care because that was Clinton’s thing.

Paul, why stop your enemy from committing suicide? This is the dumbest non-issue I ever remember hearing about. It goes back to the campaign- the stuff they’ve thrown at Obama has been such weak tea that it actually increased my respect for him. You’d think the opposition research of Clinton and McCain could have come up with something damning but they didn’t.

I’m guessing the reason Obama doesn’t put this to bed with more documentation is 1) no proof will satisfy the nutcases who lack any affirmative evidence of their theory he is foreign born and call each piece of documentation presented a forgery regardless, 2) it keeps these clearly unhinged individuals grasping at straws and following blind alleys instead of putting their opposition to more constructive use by focusing on serious issues, and 3) serves to further illuminate that the fringe who support this asinine conspiracy theory actually make up a significant percentage of what’s left of the Republican Party.

Bottom line: allowing Birthers to embarrass themselves loudly and publicly is helpful to the President because it is helping to pull back the curtains on the insanity that has become the Republican Party. I really can’t believe you are getting behind this nonsense.

BTW, I hate the respond to comment function because in order to find new ones you have to go back and look at every comment and check the time of replies.

I remember when birth notices were printed in my local paper too. They came from the hospital. How on earth would they get into the microfilm editions of two papers if they weren’t genuine and what would be the point. This all happened a long time ago.

I can understand the efforts to falsify Bush’s service records because there were lots of adult reasons to do so. But I’m hard pressed to see a reason for this.

I never had a birth certificate, only a certificate of registration. That wasn’t good enough for a passport, so I got a copy of a birth certificate much later in life. Guess mine could be questioned as well. Particularly since I wasn’t born in a hospital, I was born at home.

The calls for a birth certificate also are for ones with the doctor’s signature. Neither mine, nor my daughter’s have a doctor’s name, let alone signature.

This is just sillyness. Nothing will satisy them.

There are a fair number of frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets…I must admit, I relish their discomfort. But I wish they’d go away.

belongs on a Hallmark card.

p_luk,
out of respect for the work you have done these past years on the GWB AWOL issue, and the respect I have for your extraordinary analytical talent, I apologize for my unwarranted and mean-spirited post above. I shouldn’t have brought your name into and it was uncalled for.

I’m definitely not on your page with respect to the documents you seek, but I wish you good hunting.

-j

(ASIDE: You know, your irrational Obama hatred reminds me of Aravosis’ and Sullivan’s extreme and irrational Hillary hatred. That’s why I thought you had gone off the cliff with the rest of the birthers. I can see, as you explained, that your skepticism is coming from a different place. Okay then.)

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