Joe Biden Clean-up Detail

Last I checked, our former colleague Jay Carney was still Joe Biden’s communications director, but I’m wondering if he might be on vacation this week. Even as Barack Obama travels abroad, it has twice fallen to the Top Guy to clean up after clarify his Vice President’s comments.

There was this*:

President Obama, issuing an unusual clarification of his vice president’s words, said Tuesday that his administration had “absolutely not” given its blessing for an Israeli attack on Iran.

Obama said that although Israel had the right to defend itself, U.S. officials had emphasized the need to avoid “major conflict in the Middle East.”

Vice President Joe Biden created a stir Sunday by suggesting the U.S. would stand aside if Israel wanted to attack.

“Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” Biden said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Biden’s words set off a debate over whether the White House was hardening its line on Iran or whether Biden had simply committed a gaffe.

Asked in a CNN interview Tuesday whether the U.S. was giving Israel “a green light” to launch a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear sites, Obama replied, “Absolutely not,” adding that Biden was merely stating “a categorical fact, which is that we can’t dictate to other countries what their security interests are.”

But Biden left out another part of the administration’s usual formulation: that the U.S. wants to avoid a military strike because it could destabilize the entire Middle East.

And there was this:

The administration is trying to tamp down talk that it didn’t get it quite right — talk created by Vice President Biden. On Sunday, he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, “We and everyone else misread the economy.” But he insisted that the stimulus “is the right package given the circumstances we’re in.”

Obama, in Moscow yesterday, tried to modulate the impact of the vice president’s words that the administration had somehow miscalculated. “No, no, no, no, no,” he told NBC’s Chuck Todd. “Rather than say ‘misread,’ we had incomplete information.” To ABC’s Jake Tapper, he said, “There’s nothing that we would have done differently.”

Then again, Obama should be used to it by now. Remember this?:

Pity poor Joe Biden. His “there’s still a 30 percent chance we’re going to get it wrong” quote is put straight to President Barack Obama during the White House press conference just now and his boss seemed to want to say: “Vice-President Who?”

As reporters started giggling, Obama came close to conceding that Biden was indeed a joke. “You know, I don’t remember exactly what Joe was referring to, not surprisingly.”

UPDATE: *Full disclosure–this link is to a story that was written by my spouse, because it was the clearest and most straightforward one I found. (Mr. Swamp covers the State Department for the LA Times.) Other links include this, this, this.

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Joe Biden, White House
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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Aaahh life in a bubble.

  • kathy

    I’m trying to remember how I ever thought this guy could be president. He has mostly impressed me as VP as a guy who wants to prove to everybody that he’s “in the know.” sheesh.
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    There are probably commenters here who think Jay Carney became Biden’s communications director in order to subvert Obama :D )

  • kathy

    Oh my, word press has a new grin. Not the effect I was looking for.

  • kathy

    Maybe this was what I was looking for? (Kathy clean-up detail. I planned this joke, honest) :D

  • mrein

    Palin only looks bad, and not historically bad, in comparison.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    The most interesting thing about both instances is that Joe didn’t say anything wrong but the media framed his words as if they were gaffes. The truth is Joe started off the conversation on Iran stating that we were still willing to sit down with them and negotiate. Further than that he also DID in fact say that we would not agree with Israel if they decided to attack Iran and that such a decision would have no impact on the U.S’s policy of engagement towards Iran. But because it’s Joe all of a sudden all this talk of green lights go off. If you think I am “looking for ponies” then just go check out Juan Cole who agrees with me and whom most people do not see as star struck by Biden, Obama or anybody else.
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    On the economy again he was absolutely correct in his ANSWER to a question specifically about the projections for unemployment. Its folly to say that the administration ALONG WITH many of the most prominent economists in this country didn’t misread what was going on because if you look back you would be hard pressed to find more than a handful that predicted this high of unemployment happening this soon. Besides that Joe tempered those words by pointing out that nevertheless the administration had the right plan and the main problem now is just getting the money out of the door. But again the framing of this has been that Joe said they didn’t know what they were doing and the stimulus isn’t going to be effective when thats the exact OPPOSITE of what he said.
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    Its really discouraging to see this happening time and agin with him because sooner or later he will just stop giving interviews. Now I am sure some won’t weep if that were to happen but this is a guy who is basically running the stimulus package AND now overseeing our withdrawal from Iraq. I would think it might be nice to actually get an update from him every now and then.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Hold on folks! Don’t fall for the bait!
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    KT clearly you went for the media narrative instead of the facts, but perhaps we’ve become so grateful for your willingness to interact with us that we are overlooking how similar your action here is with the MSM behavior that we generally abhor.
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    I was watching that exchange on Sunday despite it being a holiday (we can comment later on why I wasn’t out picnicking or something)and it wasn’t VP Biden that made the suggestion that America would not stand in Israel’s way, it was George Stephanopoulos! He immediately paraphrased Biden’s words that have been a repeat of exactly what this administration has been saying for months, when VE Biden refused to tell him how America would respond if Israel chose to attack Iran.
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    “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” Biden said on ABC’s “This Week.”
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    Seems that in the quote above someone (deliberately?) forgot to include the part where Biden also said after Israel has a right to decide based on its national interest about how American will also decide how to act based on its national interest. Now because the VP refuses to tell George what America will do that becomes the same thing as saying America won’t do anything? Sorry folks but that’s just MSM crap!
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    How is this any different than what they did to VP Gore? It is now part of the media narrative, “there you again Joe” just like they did “serial exaggerator” for Gore they are not doing it with “bumbling Biden.” And folks we are just going for it without looking at the facts — Why, because Karen put it out there, we don’t question her now because she’s thrown us a few crumbs by responding to our comments? Please give me a break.
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    Shame on you KT for perpetuating this non-event, especially in light of the post a while back acknowledging how Gore got the shaft with this kind of crap. And Shame on any commenter that takes this post at face value and not look at it for yourself just because KT is nice to us.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Darn it SG I type slower than you, when I started my comment there were only two comments. But once again we are clearly simpatico.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla
  • bitterpill8

    Both sgw and Dee say it best. The overarching theme: let’s set anything Biden says in the “gaffe context”. George S pushed the narrative and the frame. Biden responded. You know, the Villagers seem set to play games and I think Biden should be direct: ” Look George, that is an idiotic misinterpretation” or “Hey George why are you pushing a pro-Israeli line”. To fight back and make it clear that the framers are our well heeled gasbags should be the response.

    I have really lost respect for the Sunday talking heads. King, Wallace, the old guy on FTN: they are so self-important.

  • dunedweller

    Couldn’t agree more with these last few commenters. And if this is true and not taken out of context: Obama came close to conceding that Biden was indeed a joke. “You know, I don’t remember exactly what Joe was referring to, not surprisingly.” Then shame on Obama too. He chose Joe to be his VP for a reason which he should make clear whenever possible, even if it means missing the opportunity to joke around with reporters about gaffes.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Sorry dunedweller but I have to disagree with you here. Obama consistently demonstrates why he chose Joe Biden. Despite the media’s caricature of the vice president as bumbling grumbling “hapless Joe” Obama has consistently put Biden in charge of the most important aspects of his agenda. First, it was the stimulus — there is no disputing that this administration’s second term, if they is to be one, is riding on the economy of which the stimulus is a huge part and now the Iraq withdrawal – need I say more in this climate of Cheney already saying we’re screwing it up even though its the time table he negotiated.
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    I think its smart of the administration, having no control over the media narrative, learning the lesson of VP Gore and using it to their advantage. If the administrations wants to test something they get Biden to role it out and if it doesn’t go over well they get to say oh well that’s just Joe and what’s the media going to do deny their own narrative — no they aren’t they’re gong to give the administration a do over.
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    If the media is going to insist on playing this tired old game then we ought to be thankful that we have an administration that knows how to play too.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Dee
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    I think you are actually agreeing with what dunedweller said.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG — If I’m misreading dunedweller’s comment then I apologize, but I thought he was saying shame on Obama for playing into the media narrative and agreeing with the media’s caricature of bumbling Joe Biden.
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    And I’m saying that Obama is right to do that when it suits the administrations’ purposes because in reality they obviously don’t feel that way about the VP, evidenced by the importance of the portfolio given him. However, if playing into the media narrative helps the administration get a free do over whenever a trial balloon gets a bad reaction then they are smart to use it as such rather than try to fight against it.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Dee
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    Well then I disagree with you on that. You don’t help make a caricature out of your VP under ANY circumstances if for no other reason than it was YOU who picked him which eventually will be used to hammer you should some of your initiatives fail. Thats not the kind of leadership I want nor expect out of my President, period.

  • rose83

    I’m trying to remember how I ever thought this guy could be president.
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    Kathy, me too.
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    BTW, I agree that most of his gaffes are in fact truthy, unlike Palin’s. They are just also incredibly unhelpful.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    Perhaps Biden’s comment was not a gaffe. Perhaps it was simply more of the same, that is extreme care not to upset Israeli delicate sensitivities. “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else.” To the contrary, Joe, considering US taxpayers pay for all Israeli endeavors, including plush illegal settlements in the West Bank, and US arms are used tirelessly against Palestinian civilians in violation of the US Arms Export Control Act, I would contend that Israeli sovereignty is linked directly to American say-so. Therefore, if we were to choose to finally abide by international law, our own law, and moral absolutes, we are very much in the right to stand between Israel and its illegal actions. To suggest otherwise, while maybe not a gaffe, is certainly indicative of continued American complicity.

  • dunedweller

    Sorry I had to run off to a meeting… but Dee I’m a she (fyi), and I agree that Obama has assigned Joe Biden responsibilities that show the magnitude of his trust and confidence. On the other hand I’ve also heard him on a few occasions Joke with the press about Biden misspeaking, or in this case adding “not surprising” to not remembering what Joe said, which I think is the wrong direction. It all feeds into the hype that Joe can’t get anything right or is insignificant, which is far from the truth given the responsibility he’s been given. IMO Obama should respond to gaffe accusations by focusing on Joe’s abilities not his shortfalls. Otherwise the sound bite of Obama’s comment (joke) will be played out of context just like Joe’s words have been.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Maybe I’m not saying this right. I think the administration’s response to the media’s narrative is very effective. That doesn’t mean that he is making Joe a caricature and I don’t think that is what Obama is doing. The administration is just playing the hand they are dealt. In this case he plays the game by doing just the opposite of everything the media does.
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    It is abundantly clear that media has decided that they only want to hear news from Obama. They have collectively decided that Biden should be seen and not heard and every time he is heard they are going to play Joe the gaffe machine. Now the administration has two choices. They can either pull Joe off the circuit like the media wants or they can do exactly the opposite. The administration has chosen to play this game by doing the opposite.
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    The administration puts the VP out to deliver a message, when the media plays their little game and rephrases the message in the framework of gaffing Joe Biden, then Obama comes out and clarifies the message, the media has no choice but to deal with the message straight and the administration gets the story they want out and then they increase the importance of the VP’s portfolio in a show of their support for the VP. I think that’s a much more effective strategy then to just simply rail against a media meme that no one but insiders are going to even notice and the media are not going to listen to or do things differently just because you are railing against it.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    This is not news. Nor is it informed comment.This is pushing another false media narrative. Precisely the same narrative that brought us eight years of the most disastrous administration in U.S. history, or would you deny your complicity in destroying the career of Al Gore,the serial liar, who said he invented the internet? Shame on you for this lazy pack journalism. Somerby does not blog in vain.

  • cfukara

    Hey, you little hypocrites!

    While others preach transparency which they don’t observe, Joe is just a nice folk – the common man’s American we talk about – who practices “integrity, transparency and no phony stuff” guidelines that we preach to the world – and do not intend to observe at home.

    My kind of POTUS.

    And he is enunciating what the thought is in Rahm’s cabinet. How else would our Joe talk about USA’s intentions?

    Now someone wants to trash the messenger.

  • cfukara

    ” .. “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do ..”

    Well. Sovereign Iran reserves that right to determine for itself as well. And North Korea too. And Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. And Taliban’s Afghanistan. And USA, as well as Russia.
    And thus it is a statement that doesn’t help us much.

    Our resentment of Israel’s belligerence stems from the fact that those foreign Israelis are banking on the huge material support from the USA and EU should its adventurism get out of hand. And it seems to us that the lowly, (un-chosen and apparently not so clever) American hillbillie who will be called upon to provide the tax-payers’ resources to kill those innocent unarmed old men, women and kids – and sacrifice the lives of their young gentiles – should have at least a token say in the matter.

    Doesn’t/shouldn’t our constitution allow us this, dear POTUS, the constitutional law professor?

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    I think the story here should be the CYBER attack on the White House and the domestic terrorists who roam free. Now this attack is hardly surprising because I have written to the FBI and the US Secret Service a number of times regarding Shay Riley of the website “Black Women Blow The Trumpet”.. a so called Black Power Site which is used as a front for launching attacks against individuals.

    These online THUGS also listen to my phone calls and activate my microphone to listen to my messages generally illegally viciously and unrelentingly following me from site to site. THIS WOMAN IS A CYBER THUG. A HOODLUM and yet on the domestic front using benign sites she has been able to thwart law enforcement and remains free to date.

    She and her husband AKBAR SHABAZZ of the website http://www.akbarshabazz.com are DOMESTIC TERRORISTS and even these beasts have NOT BEEN STOPPED, INVESTIGATED AND MADE TO FACE THE FULL FORCE AND EFFECT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. HOW THEN CAN WE HOPE TO STOP ATTACKS FROM THE OUTSIDE WHEN THESE FELONS ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED ON A CONSISTENT AND VIGOROUS BASIS.

    This SHAY RILEY is probably a Pedophile, definitely a CYBER THUG who breaks into hundreds of sites daily and alters them with impunity. Committing felony after felony DAILY. A brazen Predator. This CYBER THUG SHAY RILEY who owns numerous sites including the website “BlackFemaleInterracial Marriage blog” is FREE and providing Predators and other CYBER TERRORISTS BOTH DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL with the impetus to use online TECHNOLOGY AND TELEPHONIC ABILITY TO ATTACK, RAPE AND VIOLATE INNOCENT CITIZENS!

    That they attacked the White House is an index of the glaring inability of Law enforcement to vigorously investigate and route EVEN DOMESTIC CYBER TERRORISTS like this vermin Shay Riley and others of her ilk.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    lawyermommy
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    Stop spamming up the threads with your personal issues.
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    As for the cyber attack on the WH, Joe Klein has a thread on the North Korea alleged attack. Go peddle your wares there.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Exiled, Read something else. These issues are NOT personal. When online CYBER THUGS like Shay Riley of the “Black Female Interracial Marriage Blog” are left to commit crimes against me and OTHER innocent members of society, there is nothing personal about it. It is an issue that should be investigated and reported. Illegal phone taps and using Trojans to brutalize innocent people is a crime that EVERYONE should be informed about.

    If you do not want to read it, look away. This is the Time magazine site and I am sure that the ELITE TIME REPORTERS will be interested in news worthy stories like criminals who patrol the Internet under numerous aliases, stalking criminally harassing and violating law abiding citizens lives.

    These are issues that go to the very heart of our Rights and Lives as AMERICANS. Shay Riley of the website Black Women Blow the Trumpet” is an online Predator who should be rigorously and continuously investigated.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    Shay Riley, if what you say is true, deserves to be prosecuted, of course. But posting over and over on this issue on a multitude of threads using long exhortations and caps locks is bordering on spam. We at Swampland hold discussions on a daily basis and reply to one another regularly. This is not some informal, hodge-podge of random posts. Its a discussion board. We post, generally, in response to the specific TIME thread and our discussions are related to that issue. If this is as important to you as you say, a relevant thread would be Joe Klein’s post on the North Korea cyber-attack, no?

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Spam is e-mail advertising or JUNK for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup.

    I am a real person. I am a Lawyer, an American Citizen, an individual with as much a right as you to post on this blog. I am providing information regarding issues to the public and also with the intent that this woman Shay Riley of the Black Female Interracial site, Akbar Shabazz of the site http://www.akbarshabazz.com and their accomplices be investigated.

    The issues I address are specific and clear. To you, they might be unrelated to the issue however, it concerns government, the state and politics and it is relevant to every innocent law abiding citizen who uses the Internet.

    The material I am sharing about an online Predator is RELEVANT to all law abiding citizens.

    Shay Riley is an online Predator she runs the website “Black Female Interracial Marriage blog”, illegally wiretaps my phones, activates my microphone to track and follow me around, send Trojans to my computer and she continues to evade law enforcement. This woman targets unwitting visitors to her blog and brutally assaults them.

    As I indicated to you previously, you are not compelled to read my posts.

  • champless

    What a load of hogwash, Ms. Tumulty, and I for one (apparently there are many others here) am sick of the media perpetuating this nonsense. First of all, BIden made no gaffes here, so there is no clarification for Obama to reach. What I tire of, Ms. Tumulty, is the ease you and other so-called journalists write this false inforamtion, and feel no guilt. This is a perfect case for you and others to actually study. Look at, view, and HONESTLY acknowledg just what VP Joe Biden said and how he said it. See Mom; no gaffe. Now step back and ask yourself why in the world reporters immediately run to Obama and ask the president about Biden’s statements every single time. What comes out of these interactions is a follow-up news story which almost truthfully says that Obama “claifies” Biden’s statement. What actually occurs is that President Obama reiterates what our vice president has said, and it’s written as “clarifies.”

    Do you not realize that many are beginning to see through this charade of non-newsstory? Sadly, the ignorant and uninformed pick these falsehoods up and consider them truisms. You are egregiously unfair to a brilliant, loving, statesman who does not deserve this. Please, stop this psuedo-gaffe meme. It has become absurd; like the blatant example this story shows, it has gotten to the point where Joe Biden makes a clear and simple statement, and it has become a gaffe by your bloody hands.

    You owe Joe Biden and the readers of this piece an apology.

    Shameful.

  • jordancfan

    Jordan C. Fan, Prophet of Environment.

    Just who do Americans think they are? That they can go around to attack any nation or people they want anytime? Or to endorse and support attack of any nation Americans wants?

    As far as the Environment is concerned, the United States is as good as finished.

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