Paint That Pig: The Nico Pitney-Dana Milbank Smackdown

If you want to know what’s wrong with the current state of America’s political discourse, take some time to watch this Sunday’s CNN’s Reliable Sources, where two American journalists acted like petulant politicians, abandoning any pretense to reasonable discussion so they could launch specious attacks on each other’s integrity. No doubt supporters of both the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank and Huffington Post’s Nico Pitney will now declare some sort of moral victory, congratulating themselves on their adherence to truth-telling in the face of phoniness. But all their heroes did was ignore an interesting debate to score cheap television points.

[Read the full post after the jump.]

First, the back story: Historically, the President of the United States has the ability to shape the course of events at most press conferences, because he can choose the reporters that get to ask a question. Of course, the president is supposed to follow a script of sorts–he calls on the Associated Press first, followed by Reuters, the major television networks, the national newspapers, and then members of the periodical press, including national magazines. But he doesn’t have to follow the script. And from the beginning, Barack Obama has shown an interest in making a point in the reporters he selects. He has been notably generous in calling on members of the minority press, representatives of black and Hispanic media, and in his first press conference, he called on Sam Stein, a reporter for the liberal, online upstart Huffington Post, to whom the White House staff had given a coveted front row seat.

Very often, Obama’s staff will tip off reporters when they might be expected to get a question. This is especially true in diplomatic settings, when American reporters are only given one or two questions. But under no circumstances is the White House allowed to tell the chosen reporter what question to ask, or ask to know the content of a reporter’s question. That said, it’s not that hard for the president’s staff to game the system. If you want to get a question about the U.S. relationship with Chile, as the president did last Tuesday in his press conference, then you just have to call on the Chilean reporter in the room. If you want to talk about issues important to Hispanics, call on the reporter for the Hispanic press. You can’t be guaranteed a question on topic, but the odds are good. And whatever the question actually is, you can say whatever you wanted to say.

So what’s all the fuss about? Last week, Obama’s staff told Pitney before the press conference that they would like him to ask a question at the press conference from an Iranian citizen. Pitney, who has been aggregating information from Iran for weeks, had previously been soliciting questions from Iranians, a process he stepped up after the White House request. The next day, just a few moments before the press conference began, a member of Obama’s press staff walked Pitney into the White House briefing room, and placed him in the crowd, where he would be easily seen by the television cameras. (Meanwhile, Stein, the Huffington Post’s regular White House reporter, was left to fend for himself in the human sardine can that the briefing room had become.) At the start of the press conference, Obama called on the AP, as required by tradition, and then turned to Pitney, after announcing that the Huffington Post had been collecting questions from Iranians. Pitney proceeded to ask a tough question from an anonymous online respondent–Under what conditions would you accept an Ahmadinejad victory as legitimate?–which the president proceeded to avoid answering with any specifics.

This incident raised all sorts of interesting questions. Should the president be able to place non-White House press reporters in the crowd during his press conferences? Should the wires, newspapers and television networks lose their spots as the first questions of the conference? Should the president be able to invite niche publications with niche topics into the press conference to shape its course, even if the president does not know the exact content of the question? If that is allowed, how much further can the president go in shaping the content of the press conference?

There are no easy answers to any of these questions. Clearly, Pitney was a special case, a stand in for the Iranian people, who have no representatives in the White House press pool. And he asked a good question, as pointed as any that was devised by the mainstream networks and publications. And clearly, the media itself is changing. Niche publications are simply becoming a greater force in our media landscape, addressing the concerns of select audiences, and usurping the power of the previous giants of general interest media, which historically has tried to cater to the broad swath of the American public.

Alas, these complex and interesting questions were soon–sadly–lost to just another political spitting match. The Washington Post’s Milbank, who has excelled for years at chronicling the narrative absurdity of federal politics, wrote a column calling the question “arranged” and “planted,” while noting the surprise among some in the press corps at the “stagecraft.” Arianna Huffington, Pitney’s boss, shot back with an even snarkier rejoinder, with reference to the “media sandbox,” and a column that suggested the established press was a defensive group of third grade boys whining about the new kid. All this made great web copy, but none of it actually addressed the issues at hand.

And then came Sunday. Howard Kurtz invited both Pitney and Milbank onto his CNN show, ostensibly to talk about the issues at play. But both came prepared for battle. Pitney started off, accusing Milbank of all sorts of unrelated–and out of context–offenses, like once “hailing” President Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” banner and once asking Obama about his appearance in a bathing suit, which Pitney termed “pathetic.” These are the sorts of attacks that make politicians look small and journalists look puny, since they are based on misleading isolated opposition research that has little to do with reality. As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration, and covers the news as a columnist, who often unapologetically revels in the superficiality of politics.

Milbank, in turn, responded by declaring vaguely that Pitney was peddling “fiction” while trying to sabotage his foe with a bunch of paper, including a selection of his own columns and a copy of an email that Pitney had written. The pass-the-paper trick didn’t look very good when Rick Lazio tried it on Hillary Clinton in 2000, and Milbank did not come off much better. Meanwhile, on the interwebbing, the ideological jabberers took their positions, casting the debate in whatever light their readers might most enjoy. Liberal bloggers even created a tag on Twitter to commemorate the event, with wording (#dickwhisperer) that generally matched the seriousness of the discussion. Conservative bloggers pointed to Pitney as further evidence that Obama controls the media. Liberal media watchers played the Bush-was-worse game by pointing out past examples of manipulation of press conference questions.

Watch it all here:

The whole painted-pig kabuki, which is how we now do business, quickly became the sort of sideshow that makes most voters not want to vote before Election Day, a tribal contest of egos and bragging rights. And lost in all of it was any reasoned discussion of the interesting issues at play. For me, the most interesting unanswered question is this: As the media becomes more fragmented, and reporters increasingly represent niche audiences, how can (or should) the White House press corps contain the President’s ability to tailor the subject matter and tenor of his press conferences with the people he calls on? This is not a partisan issue, nor does it condemn reporters like Pitney who use their opportunities to ask tough questions. Simply put, Obama is not the first president to play this game, and he won’t be the last.

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  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    Not bad, MS. Not bad at all.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I’m confused. Today you bemoan the lack of “reasoned discussion of the interesting issues at play”
    while your TIME story on the press conference was about the the media defending its turf.
    .
    “The Press Stops Playing Nice with Obama”
    .
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1906654,00.html
    .
    That no one is doubting the quality of Pitney’s question but focusing on some insinuated process issue tells us plenty about the media.
    .
    Maybe if he had made a crack about BHO sneaking a cigarette Pitney could have spared himself the ankle biting.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
    .
    You spend 99% of the article pointing out how wrong Milbank was both in his column (which did NOT include the text of Pitney’s statement by the way) and on air today, yet you still can’t find it in you to proclaim him the ass hole that he is in this situation. Yet again a phantom “he said, she said” post where its all supposed to be a mystery as to who is right and who is wrong framed only by which side of the ideological track you are.
    .
    Bull frikkin sh*t.
    .
    Dana Milbank came off as a jack ass which you pointed out in the column and came off as a jack ass which you pointed out on the show today. Mystery solved.
    .
    Oh and one more thing that you may or may not want to include in an update. The reason for the twitter hashtag #dickwhisper is because Nico Pitney put a post up on his blog after the show recounting how Milbank leaned into him after their segment ended and said “You are such a dick”. Just reinforcing who was the real ass hole in all of this.
    .
    Sheesh man this David Gregory type reporting is bullsh*t.

  • sacredh

    The WHPC can try to contain the President’s ability to tailor the subject matter and tenor of the press conferences, but it won’t mean anything unless the President allows them to. The asking of questions as followed by tradition (AP first, Reuters second etc) means nothing. The President chooses. He can continue following the traditional method or he can change it at whim. It is up to him. He is the one behind the podium. Besdies writing columns about it, what are the press options if he doesn’t do it the old way?

  • Paul-no not that one

    ” The asking of questions as followed by tradition (AP first, Reuters second etc) means nothing. The President chooses”
    .
    sacred makes a fair point. Gosh the President could even call on Talon News.

  • jcapan

    Hey Zeus Christ, MS, @ 1340 words, I’m striving to discern a coherent thesis here. I would say Huff, who I can rarely stand, is largely right in suggesting “the established press were a defensive group of third grade boys whining about the new kid.”
    ~
    And Milbank has zero credibility. See here:
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    Or, in fact, here for equally banal “journalism”:
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/06/23/the-presidents-feisty-press-conference/
    ~
    You say: “the previous giants of general interest media, which historically has tried to cater to the broad swath of the American public.”
    ~
    LOL! Cater to, meaning (M-W) “to supply what is required or desired.” Interesting choice of words, and I’m sure you beleive that. That’ll surely help when you’re waiting tables in a few years.

  • jcapan

    “Sheesh man this David Gregory type reporting is bullsh*t.”
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    I’d add Mark Halperin or Kurtz (THE HORROR) himself as other models…

  • http://robwolfe.blogspot.com Rob Wolfe

    The piece wasn’t as horrible as I expected it to be but I do have a couple of quibbles.

    Firstly, the claim of equivalency is a bit over the top but I can certainly understand that an argument can be made for it. I don’t think that you did make it, just that it could be made.

    Secondly, do you think that this storm would have brewed if it wasn’t for the fact that Mr Pitney’s question was one of the toughest of the presser?

    Thirdly, who said that the President has to follow the script anyway? All that script does is ensure that the tradtional media maintains primacy.

    Finally, you speak of the President’s ability to tailor subject matter and tenor of his press conferences. I for one am all for a President calling on members of the press that are going to hold his feet to the fire on substantive issues. I would hazard a guess that most people would think that Mr Pitney’s question was more substantive than the one asked about whether the President had changed his position on Iran in response to criticism from Senators Graham and McCain.

    If President Obama starts calling on folks that fire him softballs, then that would be something that he and those that collaborate in it should be rightly criticised for. That wasn’t what happened here. It shouldn’t have been necessary for Mr Pitney to ask the question that he did, one of the traditional media reporters should have asked it first.

  • apollyon07

    Stuff like this is the least of our problems with American discourse. How about voter apathy, our rigid, ridiculous two-party system, McCain-Feingold, etc.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Pitney started off, accusing Milbank of all sorts of unrelated offenses… once asking Obama about his appearance in a bathing suit, which Pitney termed “pathetic.”
    .
    MS you are the White House correspondent for TIME-what would be your term?
    .
    (I edited out your factual error and would like to mention that Milbank asked the bathing suit question more than once)

  • jcapan

    “As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration, and covers the news as a columnist, who often unapologetically revels in the superficiality of politics.”
    ~
    Like this for example? “You know what it is, Howie, I think that Gore is sanctimonious and that’s sort of the worst thing you can be in the eyes of the press. And he has been disliked all along and it was because he gives a sense that he’s better than us—he’s better than everybody, for that matter, but the sense that he’s better than us as reporters. Whereas President Bush probably is sure that he’s better than us—he’s probably right—but he does not convey that sense. He does not seem to be dripping with contempt when he looks at us, and I think that has something to do with the coverage.” Dana Milbank, Aug. 2002
    ~
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/10/rs.00.html
    ~
    Digby today: “Just to put this into perspective, think about this: Nico Pitney has spent the last two weeks tirelessly developing sources from inside Iran, aggregating every relevant story available on the internet through every available form of the new communication technology and synthesizing one of the most difficult and important foreign policy stories of the decade. Dana Milbank has spent the same period b!tching about the “low press” getting to ask questions at a press conference and filming snotty little gossip items for his little insider video embarrassment called “Mouthpiece Theatre.”
    ~
    You tell me which one’s the “real” journalist.”

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    By the way Scherer, this line.
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    As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration,

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    Only applies if by “anyone who has followed” you mean the Washington press core. For everyone else Milbank simply followed how the political wind was blowing. When Bush was at his highest you didn’t see Milbank holding his feet to the fire. Just because he chose to do so after Bush’s approval ratings sunk don’t exactly make him a hero in my book. But I am sure such an offense as going against conservatives instead of liberals can get you banned from polite company in the village.

  • http://robwolfe.blogspot.com Rob Wolfe

    And yes, preview is my friend.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    BTW
    .
    There is a coup/legal removal of the president, going on in Honduras right now. I think this blog I am going to link to is actually a right wing blog, but they seem to have some really good coverage of what is going on. Since we haven’t heard anything about it here at Swampland.
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    http://faustasblog.com/?p=13639

  • Commenter 2B named later

    You could just, you know, not have press conferences, and report on what the president is actually doing instead of what he says in these propaganda sessions.

  • piper1

    Am I to understand that this tete-a-tete with two journalists (I use the term “journalist” lightly in the case of the oh-so-clever Milbank) is among the most important things happening at this moment?

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    sgwhite, not the political wins. Milbank was public enemy number one in the press corps for Ari Fleischer in 2001, a fact that can be seen as an honor of sorts. I can’t find a link online, but this is how the Washingtonian’s Harry Jaffe characterized the dispute in May of 2001:

    ‘Every White House tries to control news coverage, but the Bush team has been unusually quick to attack stories not to its liking. Post White House correspondent Dana Milbank has become a target.

    At a lunch with Post executive editor Len Downie and managing editor Steve Coll, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer criticized the story in which Milbank detailed the number of times Fleischer “referred” questions at news conferences. Fleischer has criticized Milbank to editors at the Post before and to other reporters.

    Says Milbank: “He’s yet to call and say, ‘Mighty fine story, Dana.’ I don’t know how I could make them happy short of rewriting their press releases.”

    Milbank, author of the campaign book Smashmouth, came to the Post from the New Republic, where his writing was leavened with attitude. Most of his first stories in the Post were on the Style pages. When he switched to politics, some of his needles slipped into his stories, which caused the White House to complain.

    “I think Dana is making a transition from Style to national,” Fleischer says. “He’s a hardworking reporter. It’s not a question of like or dislike. My style is to talk directly and forthrightly. The only issue is accuracy.”

    Fleischer has held up New York Times writer Frank Bruni as more to his liking. Bruni has written such sweet stories that New Republic has started a Bruni “suck-up watch.”‘

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    meant to write “political winds”

  • jcapan

    “You could just, you know, not have press conferences, and report on what the president is actually doing instead of what he says in these propaganda sessions.”
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    Excellent!

  • slowp

    Generally speaking, I like Milbank, but he’s being a complete assh*le here, and compounding his assh*lry by pretending that this wasn’t a completely singular circumstance. Via the miracle of modern technology, Pitney was communicating directly with regular citizens directly caught up in a monumental popular uprising that could end up being one of the most significant political events in decades. Why on Earth wouldn’t Obama want to hear one of their questions?
    .
    Furthermore, I think BHO was doing something politically quite brilliant, which was letting Iranian leaders know, quite clearly, that this isn’t the old days any more, that you can’t seal off the country, that the rest of the world’s watching — they’re able to see in, and your citizens are able to communicate out.
    .
    If Milbank wasn’t such a ponce, he might have thought about & written about this rather than boohooing about a dirty smelly blogger was allowed into the room.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
    .
    Again, if you think pointing out how many times Ari Fleischer deferred on questions as “hard hitting” once again I am going to point out to you the bubble that you are living in. The thing about it is BushCo was so adept at manipulating the Villagers that even the slightest criticism was blown up like it was some great offense. But Scherer unless you can show me articles from Milbank about how irresponsible it was to cut taxes at a time for war, when the debate was going on, or questioning the veracity of WMD intelligence while the debate was going on, or the outing of Valerie Plame while the debate was going on I am going to again reiterate it was in fact political winds. Who gives a sh*t that he criticized Bush after the horse was out of the gate? Its supposed to be his job and your job and the rest of your peers job to help make sure that horse never gets out of the gate in the first place. There were a few Washington journos actually doing that type of thing from 2001 to 2004 but Milbank wasn’t one of them.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Oh and Scherer, since you are obviously reading the thread when are you going to put the update about Milbank calling Pitney a dick? I would call your reporting incomplete about the twitter hashtag if you don’t put the information out there as to how it came to be.

  • jcapan

    Oh, I see, Milbank was unpop. with the Bushies–that must mean he’s on my team, so I take back all the rot I talked about him above. See, here’s the thing, if you’r a vapid gossip whore, you serve neither team’s interests. But thanks for playing the partisan game of misdirection. Your door prize is a hefty WTF.
    ~
    Who gets a ? or not, staged or otherwise, the WH press corps is a group of poodles leaping for treats or a pat on the head–the fact that those treats are processed, wholly lacking in nutrition or organic truth, is irrelevant to the game of who’s hot/not. Better analogy, a bunch of women throwing elbows to land a bouquet.

  • James, Los Angeles

    It’s true, the quote-fabricating Dana Milbank USED to be a pretty good reporter. He was kind of a thorn in the bushies side in the early years. But Milbank didn’t look very good throwing over-the-top accusations of “collusion” and “planted questions.” So let’s not give him too much credit for his long past work. Today, he acts like a bitter old queen in a smoking jacket and a pompous a$$.
    .
    Should the president be able to invite niche publications with niche topics into the press conference to shape its course, even if the president does not know the exact content of the question? If that is allowed, how much further can the president go in shaping the content of the press conference?
    .
    Michael, what is this “be able to”? It’s the President’s presser, he can do what he wants. Your colleagues, after spending 8 years as submissive as whipped puppy dogs under Bush, all of a sudden think they are going to dictate the parameters of Obama’s pressers? What’s that about?
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    The fact is, many of your colleagues are privileged, narcissistic jacka$$es. They make you and the serious journos on the beat look bad. I’m on with Cox’s suggestion, that they close up the White House press shop, keep on a couple of wire guys to take the press releases, and send you guys home. Surely you can find something more productive to do than whatever it is you guys do down there all day long like preening your ruffled feathers and fabricating news.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    Is it possible that the sentiment here is just a tad harsh towards MS? The story itself is not all that significant nor is it all that revealing. Yet it does speak to the precise nature of journalism that many, many of you bemoan daily here at Swampland. MS, I believe in all fairness, was simply attempting to do a piece that some of you might find interesting that relates directly to journalistic mediocrity and misdirection from real issues. While you may feel he failed in that regard, give the guy a break for at least trying to appease the insatiable desire to condescend.

  • sacredh

    jcapan: Pretty good. “A bunch of women throwing elbows to land a bouquet” was inspired.

  • xtopherarmour

    Wait. Dana Milbank’s a MAN?

  • sacredh

    neo: “the insatiable desire to condescend” cannot be denied. It is part and parcel of the very fabric of our society.

  • yutsano

    Who gets a ? or not, staged or otherwise, the WH press corps is a group of poodles leaping for treats or a pat on the head
    -
    I swear to Allah the only thing I could think of after reading that comment was, “Or a Portuguese water dog”. But I’m not obsessed with Bo or nothing. (whistles innocently)

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    Sacred
    ~
    Thats very true. I’m just saying that in MS’s defense, essentially he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

  • James, Los Angeles

    @Exiled, I don’t get us being harsh toward Michael, but toward the WHPC and the prissy prima donnas that inhabit the WH press room. He is posing serious questions from his perspective, while we answer from the perspective of interested readers subjected to the daily preenings and tantrums of his colleagues. Personally, I think that he hasn’t been NEAR as egregious as many of his colleagues. And I generally have respect for many of the low-key journos there at the WH. April Ryan is pretty good, and so are the AFP reporters, Steve Collinson and Laurent Lorenzo. Jennifer Loven is often a decent reporter, and Tapper has been better than his teevee colleagues. Bill Plante and Mark Knoller are generally pretty good. But their serious journalism is overshadowed by their more immature, tantrum-throwing colleagues, and thus they get painted with the same brush.

  • yutsano

    Thats very true. I’m just saying that in MS’s defense, essentially he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
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    I just can’t figure out if he’s trying to defend either Millbank or Pitney or if he’s just playing with the latest shiny object. I suspect the latter.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Neo
    .
    Most of the invective aimed at Scherer isn’t just from this post. Its from his body of work since he has been here as opposed to the much better product he was putting out at Salon. And in that context its entirely appropriate to rake him over the coals. This is actually tame compared to some of the Joe Klein threads in the past.

  • gwbc

    Another vote for Millbank as a jackass , I think the main impression left by the press conference was the low quality of questions asked by the media. Just gotcha and soundbite questions, nothing of substance. So Millbank , times are a changing, and all you did today was make yourself a bigger jackass than your colleagues who asked the questions.

  • donovong

    Whatever Milbanks “cred” might have allegedly been in 2001 does nothing to mitigate the fact that he is stomping his feet like a spoiled WATB and a horrible excuse for a “journalist.” The GD “status quo” in the White House press corps is just as disgusting as it was during the runup to the Iraq War. Milbanks is just the latest entry in the race to the bottom.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I see MS jumped into the thread to defend Milbank’s honor. The Club will stand for their members no matter what.
    .
    It’s as predictable as the sunrise.

  • juniusredivivus

    The sad thing in all of this is that Scherer, who had some serious issues of his own when he covered McCain’s campaign, should so completely miss (or hide?) the obvious point. Obama did not solicit a specific question, and Pitney did not give him an soft pitch to hit. Look at the facts: Pitney asks the most pointed, (arguably potentially most embarrassing) question on this topic:
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    Under what circumstances will you recognize Ahmadinejad as the winner of the election?
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    No sane person would ever solicit that question. It’s an invitation to either look weak, or trigger a major diplomatic disaster. And yes, Obama ducked it. Since when did anyone duck a question that they had specifically solicited? No-one would do so, for the obvious reason – you solicit specific questions you want to answer.
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    It’s clear that neither the President nor Pitney has done anything wrong, and that the WH Press Corps, which distinguished itself by slavish degeneracy in the Bush era, and which still spends far too much time as a corps of stenographers for GOP talkingpoints (without actually investigating their merits) has not an iota of credibility in this. What we are seeing is an inept, overprivileged and self-serving “elite” that has failed to serve the American people by actually investigating and reporting the true state of affairs. And now that elite has the insolence to complain because a journalist asked a real question in their presence. Will anyone cry for them when the big papers close because people are tired of reading the usual, pre-canned garbage that it supposed to substitute for real journalism?
    .
    One final point: I don’t defend Milbank for his behavior in this episode, and his recent collaboration with Cillizza has been vomit-worthy, but attacking his as a “queen”, a “ponce” or other homophobic terms of abuse is not justified, and reflects poorly on those who have done so on this thread. Call him out for unprofessional conduct by all means, but leave the bigotry to the GOP trolls.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Marcy Wheeler on Milbank and the Froomkin connection.
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    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/dana-milbanks-very-thin-folder/

  • jcapan

    As SG said, the hostility is about context, history, hypocrisy.
    ~
    “Every piece of this is man’s bullsh!t. They call this war a cloud over the land, but they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say, “Sh!t! Its rainin’!”
    ~
    Ruby Thewes, Cold Mountain

  • jcapan

    “ponce”?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Not a big deal but…
    “Milbank was public enemy number one in the press corps for Ari Fleischer in 2001, a fact that can be seen as an honor of sorts. I can’t find a link online, but this is how the Washingtonian’s Harry Jaffe characterized the dispute in May of 2001:”
    Followed by a longish verbatim excerpt.
    .
    Was that from Milbank’s folder?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Still waiting on that update/correction/clarification.

  • James, Los Angeles

    How is “queen in a smoking jacket” homophobic, seriously?

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    Paul-no. it is interesting to me how much of online commentary is about tribal identity, us vs. them stuff. it’s easy shorthand. But let me ask you: How do you know whether I am defending Milbanks honor because of my suppossed tribal affiliation, or whether I am defending his work which I have actually been reading for six or seven years on the merits? Does the answer to that question worry you? If you just go by the warpaint, then you might kill an innocent guy one day.

  • darrelb

    Wow! A cat fight among Leftists on TV and in this thread. This is great! Very entertaining.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Of course Dana is acting out like a jealous, immature, spoiled brat, but why are we surprised? I watched this guy trade his integrity for a gig on CNN during the primaries. Of course no one ever speaks of this egregious act because it helped launch the “Obama is too arrogant” (code for uppity) narrative that the media had been salivating over for months. Don’t you remember how he refused to show up for his nightly gig on Keith Olberman’s to explain his use of fabrication to perpetuate the myth about Obama that got him the exposure on CNN. Although, in actuality, he would have been better off with Keith where he was allowed to be silent and pretend he was cool and savvy, rather than go on CNN and reveal that he only works, when he works, in print. Someone who will lie and cheat will almost certainly steal so watch out — it won’t be long before his downward spiral produces plagiarism. And I’ll bet dollars to donuts, its going to come from some obscure post on the net.
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    SG – Thanks for the explanation of dick-whisperer cause I was all over the place with figuring out the origin of that one :)

  • juniusredivivus

    James, explain what you meant by “queen” if not to attack Milbank on grounds of his alleged sexuality.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    My bandwidth contraints prevent me from watching the video, but my only real comment is that anytime a member of the press makes the story about them/i> (Who was it who was complaining about Obama’s plane smelling) the more they come off as WATB’s. If Obama wanted to call on Mickey Mouse, he would have been within his rights to do so. And if reporters actually thought about the results of their efforts instead of worrying about theior own face time, perhaps we in America would be a little better informed.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
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    If that is your stance then bring your evidence. The blogosphere is the biggest policer of bullsh*t in existence. If you are a big fan of Milbanks and him leading the way in criticizing Bush (I will note that you included the caveat that your praise of him was just for 2001) where are your links? Where is your evidence? Hell if you can PROVE that he has some kind of stored up cred then have at it hoss. But otherwise your inability to call a spade a spade in your final analysis although its apparent through out your own post who the ass hole is in this situation reeks of tribalism.
    .
    But here is a simpler test.
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    Defend this statement with links to what lead you to word it that way.
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    Pitney started off, accusing Milbank of all sorts of unrelated–and out of context–offenses, like once “hailing” President Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” banner and once asking Obama about his appearance in a bathing suit, which Pitney termed “pathetic.”

    .
    If you can prove that Pitney’s criticism was “out of context” I would love to see it. We all know that you were factually wrong when you said he asked President Obama “once” about his appearance in a bathing suit.
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    So its on you Scherer, if you think the criticism is unfair then its really simple, prove it.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Michael,
    on tribal identity, I think you misunderstand the criticism. What you are reading is very harsh criticism on the work of your colleagues, and illustrated by comparing the slavish subservience to the Bush White House to the public temper tantrums of the present. It isn’t really tribal, it boils down to how poorly your colleagues are doing their job. It’s harsh media criticism, and calling it tribal is kind of a copout and a way to avoid the reality of the Village’s poor performance.
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    I hope you aren’t being purposefully obtuse here. It would be more constructive to engage on the questions you asked, but it’s apparent that you don’t understand what the complaint is.

  • James, Los Angeles

    @juniusredivivus
    Oh I get it. I wasn’t making reference to his sexuality, in fact I know that he is very happily married to a lovely lady. I would have called him a “princess” but that brocade smoking jacket he was wearing (in the video) called for something more regal. Apologies if I inadvertently used a verboten term.

  • Paul-no not that one

    MS-” How do you know whether I am defending Milbanks honor because of my suppossed tribal affiliation, or whether I am defending his work which I have actually been reading for six or seven years on the merits? ”
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    The piece you used as evidence of his bona fides is from longer ago than that. Frankly I was a TNR subscriber when he wrote for them so I feel I have a pretty good grasp of his work. Then and now.
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    ” Does the answer to that question worry you? ”
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    I have to admit I’m not sure I understand your point. But I would say this post+your comments in this thread+your TIME story about the press conference would lead a reader to conclude that The Club takes priority.
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    “If you just go by the warpaint, then you might kill an innocent guy one day.”
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    Again, not sure of your poetic point but if it is a “Don’t paint with a broad brush” argument I would again look to your, and many of your colleagues, stories about this past week’s press conference.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    BTW MS — Do you really not know that the following statement would be seriously problematic even if this president wasn’t the member of a minority group?
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    “He has been notably generous in calling on members of the minority press, representatives of black and Hispanic media”
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    MS- you want to talk about tone deaf, in the immortal words of Michael Jackson, you ought to start with the man in the mirror. Please explain why inclusion of minorities, especially those that make up a significant portion of the President’s base is an act of generosity?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Oh and one more thing Scherer. Liberals and progressives aren’t playing the “Bush was worse” game. Bush WAS worse. But liberals and progressives are pointing to the hypocrisy of the Village with that attack, not the merits of the argument. Thats because just about every liberal or progressive blogger who weighed in on the situation has opined that in theory the situation could have been problematic but in this case in particular its farcical on his face to try to characterized as a staged or “planted” situation. Just look at the question Pitney asked!!
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    And then go over to Milbank’s post about Pitney asking the question and try to find the actual question any where in the body of his criticism.
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    So just because we don’t take the criticism as serious don’t try to make it seem as if there haven’t been several liberal and progressive critiques of the situation as well as the bullsh*t criticism that was far far more than just pointing at Bush.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Dee
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    Oh hell I can answer that one for you. Its because minorities who write for minority media outlets aren’t members of the club in good standing. Therefore any chance they are given a chance to ask a question it must just be President Obama throwing them a bone. Although I don’t think it was a member of the minority press who asked him about his smoking habits. But hey I live in the real world where journos ought to be judged on their merit and not their anointed status.

  • juniusredivivus

    Well,James,let that be a lesson to you. *s* In future, do not promote Milbank above his status,whether in ghastly smoking jacket or not. That said, I thought his appearance with Cillizza in their Hawaiian shirts was arguably even more repellent.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Hawaiian shirts? Did I miss something???

  • Paul-no not that one

    Of course I had forgotten why Milbank is so well regarded.
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    By Dana Milbank
    Wednesday, July 30, 2008; A03
    “Barack Obama has long been his party’s presumptive nominee. Now he’s becoming its presumptuous nominee.”…Inside, according to a witness, he told the House members, “This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for,” adding: “I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” (direct quote from story)
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902068_pf.html
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    Actual quote–”It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It’s about America. I have just become a symbol…”
    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/messiah_well_actually.php

  • Paul-no not that one

    One last gem from Milbank. This is what he thinks of his readers.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/25/DI2008072502073.html
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    I’ve decided to approach today’s chat as a wine writer would.

    Publications such as the Wine Spectator and the Wine Enthusiast rate wines on a scale of zero to 100, with 100 being the very best, world-class wines. Today, I am inaugurating the Whine Enthusiast, in which I will rate your whines.
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    As i have said before, any contempt consumers have for The Club is dwarfed by the contempt they have for their readership.

  • James, Los Angeles

    PNNTO-
    Thanks for finding that fabricated quote by Milbank. Sara Lueck of the Wall Street Journal used the same material in a more ethical way:

    “The Democratic presidential candidate told the group that the positive response he received in Germany and the rest of Europe was “not about him,” said House Democratic Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina. Rather, Obama said he was a ‘symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.’ ”

    Note she sourced the quote and summarized the actual meaning, which is what a real journo,i.e., not a Postie, does. Milbank, on the other hand, spliced his together with ellipses to intentionally misrepresent the meaning.

  • 53_3

    “Simply put, Obama is not the first president to play this game, and he won’t be the last.”
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    Considering the recently defunct previous administrations’ penchant for politicizing any number of government offices*, it must be assumed that your tongue was positively cowering in the recess between jaw and cheek, wasn’t it?
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    *The most blatantly ridiculous of which was BLM, or BLAM!*1 Take yer pick. Talk about Soviet-style behavior!
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    *1:
    http://www.publicland.org/forestry.htm

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    MS — Please explain why your critique is not centered on the fact that Milbank relies on a falsehood in order to perpetuate his argument? Is not getting the facts right the paramount objective in reporting? If Dana got the facts wrong, whether it was unintentionally (which no one really believes) or even worse intentionally so he could mask his jealous tirade with a supposedly deeper concern for the trajectory of reporting within the white house press room, isn’t it central to the argument that he was wrong. I just don’t understand why when it’s obvious that Obama didn’t plant the question, it is okay for a reporter to escape rebuke from his peers for maligning both Nico’s and the president’s character. The reality that irather than hold Milbank accountable in one of the scant arena’s in which this can be done you’ve opted to focus on the validity of an argument that could only be valid if Dana had actually been right is more scandalous than any sexcapade in Argentina.

  • rmrd

    Milbank got into a little dust up with Keith Olbermann about whether a “quote” from Barack Obama cited by Milbankwas taken out of context. The quote suggested that Obama felt that he had become a symbol of America. Milbank characterized the quote as presumptuous in a WaPo column. Olbermann wanted an on air clarification from Milbank. Milbank took an offer to appear as an analyst on another network and thus never appeared on Olbermann’s show again. No clarification was offered.
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    Milbank’s name may trigger skepticism among some Swamplanders.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/dana-milbank-leaving-coun_n_116997.html

  • rmrd

    While I was composing my post and watching a bad sci-fi movie on ABC, I was beaten to the punch.

  • juniusredivivus

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/

    James, you will find the video of the Cillizza/Milbank Hawaiian shirted gabfest as the top entry. The title is so lame you have to read it to believe it.

  • juniusredivivus

    James, a quick suggestion – click on the “comments” tab before watching the video. For some reason this seems to produce a working version of the video.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    And of course as usual Howie Kurtz is a putz. Considering that the first amendment guarantees that the only the media can hold itself accountable, can we at least agree that the critiquing position should rotate? Trust me MS it’s for your own good. Any entity that refuses to consider the sensibilities of it customers is doomed. Don’t take my word for it — ask comcast cable how they are doing in this grudge match with Verizon fios. Consumers have been ignored for so long and they’ve built up so much resentment that many will opt for fios the moment they have access to fios even if comcast is willing to give them service for free. Can you imagine getting beat by a company charging twice as much in a recession. Get the picture MS, pretty soon the blogs are going to find a profit model and then your brand of media will really be toast. While voters may have short memories, consumers do not.

  • James, Los Angeles

    I’m trying to decide if that’s the lamest thing I’ve ever seen, or close. It doesn’t fall to the depths of “camp” and I *do* think that Malkin’s cheerleading video was worse, so always worth reposting to assault someone with a point. The smoking jacket video might be worth reposting in an assault upon Milbank’s credibility, but this one, though definitely vomit-worthy, isn’t quite laughable enough to sink to that level. I pronounce it wholly without merit.
    .
    Let’s see Michael defend THAT.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Milbank was public enemy number one in the press corps for Ari Fleischer in 2001,
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    Yes, he has no supporters or fans, and a pattern of fudging facts to fit a narrative. But liberals and conservatives both dislike him! So how bad could he really be?

  • juniusredivivus

    James, I have spent years trying desperately to forget the vile Malkin “I will now gratify the worst urges of internet pedophiles in order to trivialize politics yet further” cheerleading video and now you have undone all my attempts at repression. Thanks, buddy! More seriously, it is remarkable that Cillizza and Milbank actually seem to consider themselves witty. Perhaps the wrong people got dunked at the White House?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    All I can say about the video James is “you’ve got to be freakin kidding me.”

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Wow. Finally watched James’s video. Had to stop after like 2 minutes of the barrage of witless one-liners. That video makes me f*cking hate white males.
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    (Disclosure: I can say that, because I’m male and white).

  • James, Los Angeles

    Don’t thank me, thank juniusredivivus. Sorry about the Malkin vid, junius, but it is, after all, the gold standard by which all bad videos are judged.

  • middlegirl

    Millbank behaved poorly in the CNN interview by deliberately avoiding the serious content of Nico’s question. A journalist in collusion with the WH wouldn’t steer the president towards a potential minefield. His assigned role would be to give Obama an infomercial opportunity to extol his administration’s achievements.

    Dana is so transparently threatened by the new media. He looks scared and desperate and he should be scared, really scared. We are sick of questions about smoking, steroids and bathing suits. And we especially don’t want to see our reporters doing painfully lame skits in smoking jackets.

  • vwcat

    Due to the uprising taking place in Iran I am sure the President wanted to be able to address their particular concerns directly.
    Nico Pitney and Andrew sullivan are known to be the go to guys in the story. Their work has been outstanding and their ability to sift through alot of conflicting stories, their resorces and contacts, have made them invaluable.
    The President asked Nico Pitney to be an intermediary for the Iranians.
    Big deal.
    I do think much of the controversy stems from the posers and preening beltway A listers being upstaged by a – gasp! – blogger.
    That the president asked this, this blogger to be a go between and not one of them, when afterall, they are part of the cocktail circuit and ‘stars’.
    Milbank has devolved from a fairly amusing observer of the scene to a petulant and nasty little man. He relies mostly on mean spirited put downs to substitute for his lack of real humor these days.

  • juniusredivivus

    I can’t deny that the Malkin video really does have its evil claws securely clamped on the John S.McCain award for Video Abomination (Politics category)…. Maybe another couple of years of repression and therapy combined will allow me to forget it.

  • jcapan

    “When you critique the media and you say, look, here is what Anthony Lewis or somebody else is writing, they get very angry. They say, quite correctly, “nobody ever tells me what to write. I write anything I like. All this business about pressures and constraints is nonsense because I’m never under any pressure.” Which is completely true, but the point is that they wouldn’t be there unless they had already demonstrated that nobody has to tell them what to write because they are going say the right thing. If they had started off at the Metro desk, or something, and had pursued the wrong kind of stories, they never would have made it to the positions where they can now say anything they like.”
    ~
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710–.htm

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    How do you know whether I am defending Milbanks honor because of my suppossed tribal affiliation, or whether I am defending his work which I have actually been reading for six or seven years on the merits?
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    After all of these years of
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    1) having our attentions, and loyalties and senses moral outrage cynically manipulated by the political press corps
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    2) the endless, blatant displays of obvious contempt for us/inexplicably high regard for yourselves,
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    3) having failed miserably in your serious, important duties to the country in our time of need (just having had the sh*t scared out of us by an attack on the homeland/opportunist Administration),
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    4) having demonstrated time and time again that your colleagues aren’t accountable for printing egregious failure or outright lies to us, your audience,
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    5) the grotesque, mindless parroting that the press would rather take refuge in a religion of “objectivity” –deliberate alienation from stupid, uneducated, unprofessional, unconnected us, essentially– than risk tarnishing whatever their bubble-bound ideas are of their brand,

    …how could we know, Michael Scherer?
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    And what should our first instincts be…faith? …trust? …hope?
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    Do you honestly blame us for our fundamental lack of trust in you?
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    Of course we don’t know, because we don’t know you. We can see you, all lit up from behind in Versailles with your champagne flutes served, and your cars to and from ceremonies, and your hierarchy, and your careers, and your politics, and your narcissism, nepotism and greed. With or without your black ties on. you resemble a flock of human birds, all twisting and flapping in the same direction, until a noise, and then you’re off squawking toward another.
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    We can see your shadows, and the outlines of you behind the massive curtains of the events we know from going about our daily lives but we don’t know you. We know that you aren’t us, though. We know that ultimately, to you it’s all a game –that our lives and our country and what matters and what’s moral and what’s true is just a game. We are aware that membership in your class is predicated on playing this sordid and contemptible game.
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    I’m not claiming to know the reasons why you are or are not defending Milbank, Michael Scherer, I’m just a little taken aback that you wouldn’t understand why we wouldn’t assume that you weren’t doing so out of class loyalty and obligations. Why would any sane news consumer in 2009 presume otherwise?

  • FlownOver

    Elvis:
    “So how bad could he really be?” Answer: pretty freakin, bad. Sometimes we have to watch out for our own false equivalencies. A reporter, like Milbank, can be seen (correctly) as godawful from across the philosophical spectrum, particularly when his most prevalent characteristic is to put the focus on himself rather than on the story. If he thinks he can make himself into a Bigger Deal by dumping on the Prez, any Prez, fairly or unfairly, he’ll do it; thus the antipathy from Fleischer as well as from those who called b*llsh!t on his deceptive, selective quotes re: Obama.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Ok so read this article from the SC paper the State about how Mark Sanford ACTUALLY came to give that confession and then somebody ask Joe Klein if he still thinks he was “almost admirable”.
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    http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/844260.html
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    Just to give you a taste.
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    Shortly after 5 a.m. Wednesday, Smith went to the airport. Shortly after 6 a.m., she met a surprised Sanford. Smith was the only media member there.
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    Sanford said he had just arrived from Argentina. He also said he had not been on the Appalachian Trail.
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    When asked who he had been with in Argentina, the governor cut off the interview.
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    By 7:30 a.m., thestate.com had broken the news that Sanford had not been on the Appalachian Trail, but in Argentina.
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    In their morning meeting, State editors decided to immediately inform the governor and his inner circle about the e-mails.
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    A reporter called a Sanford staffer, saying the paper had e-mails that outlined an affair between the governor and Maria. Unless Sanford would address the issue privately, The State would have no choice but to ask him — with TV crews filming — if he knew Maria at his press conference that afternoon.
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    The names of two other women tumbled into the newsroom.
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    Fearful Sanford’s staffers did not get it — that the paper would ask publicly what Sanford’s relationship was with Maria — a State editor called Davis, Sanford’s former chief of staff.
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    Davis, a Beaufort lawyer, recently had been elected to the state Senate. When called, he quickly said he no longer worked for Sanford.
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    The editor said he knew that but wanted to talk with Davis. Sanford had landed from Argentina, and the paper had e-mails about an affair with a woman in Argentina.
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    The editor told Davis why he thought the e-mails were genuine. They mentioned Coosaw, the Sanford plantation, and Sanford’s love of digging holes; they quoted Bible verses and contained details about Sanford’s known schedule.
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    And more names of women were coming in over the transom. The total was at three and counting.
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    “Women?!” Davis responded, sounding incredulous. “Women?!”
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    The editor repeated that the paper would ask Sanford publicly about Maria with TV cameras running. Jenny Sanford and the couple’s four sons should be spared that image, and it was up to Davis to ensure Sanford’s staffers “got it.”
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    Davis, who said he was in Beaufort, promised to call Sanford’s staff and call back.
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    When he called back, Davis said he was driving to Columbia.

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    Now actually there are some ethical questions you have to ask about “The State” too here. Why were they so intent on giving the Governor a heads up? Why did they go out of their way to make sure Sanford’s staff “got it”. And even if you buy that they were trying to protect his wife and kids, once the cat was out of the bag, why didn’t they ask any questions about the other 3 names that had come into the news room?
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    Regardless I think its apparent now that Sanford was doing anything noble. He was just taking advantage of the opportunity to come clean that The State granted him when they gave him his “heads up”.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly neo)

    JC
    ~
    Nice Chomsky article.

  • apr2563

    I would have thought that Dana Millbank and other “journalists” would have praised Nico Pitney for his excellent reporting on Huff Post regarding the Iran uprising. He has aggregated and gathered first hand information. There were days that I wondered if he ever slept. His postings were the ones I checked first each day. He has been a wonderful outlet for the protesters. Instead of praise, he gets criticized by SNARK specialist Dana Millbank who stopped being a reporter sometime ago.
    I didn’t see the press publicly scold Jeff Gannon. His inclusion in the WH press was considered amusing. After all, he did have a fake news site and of course, his colorful gay escort blog.
    Please, traditional press, grow up and embrace those who are actually reporting on sites like Huff Post and TPM. You may be looking for jobs in these non-traditional venues.

  • http://photoblog.stamant.org/blog/ ronstamant

    Frankly, I’d enjoy seeing a fresh set of faces in the White House press room. I’m sure they are all great journalists, but to me it seems like as a whole they’re more interested in protecting their access than asking meaningful questions. So it’s not okay for Obama to call on Nico, but it’s fine for a question from Major Garrett at Fox News “What took you so long?” to be downright insulting, smary and oh so “Fox Newsian”.
    Here’s a thought: why not invite a journalist from each of the 50 states, who doesn’t normally cover the White House (and who presumably has been outside of the beltway once or twice) and let THEM ask some questions of the President. Maybe, just maybe, they might have a better connection to what the average citizen might be thinking. At least it would give us a break from the playground that exists there now.

  • jcapan

    “Newspapers are unable, seemingly, to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilisation.”
    ~George Bernard Shaw, 1931

  • gysgt213

    “The next day, just a few moments before the press conference began, a member of Obama’s press staff walked Pitney into the White House briefing room, and placed him in the crowd, where he would be easily seen by the television cameras.”
    .
    This is pure bullsh@t. Pitney was in the back of the crowd as the video shows. Maybe he was in a position where the President could actually find him, but the camera seems to have a tough time finding him. Amanda Carpenter actually said, after making sure everyone on the panel knew she was just repeating her friends on the right’s questions claimed he was escorted to the front of the press room to ask his question. WTF is wrong with you people?

  • kathy

    Reading Milbank one could easily miss what a scumbag he is, which is apparent on teevee. KO kicked him out and subsequently MSNBC did, and the real question is what is he doing on CNN?

  • terrymck

    Y….A….W…N…

  • gysgt213

    I been looking around to see how Time Mag covered Jeff Gannon. This is all I can find. Notice Gannon was there for 2 years and the media saw what he was doing and not a peep out them.
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    Blogwatch
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    By DEPARTMENT Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2005
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    The mysterious tale of JIM GUCKERT continues to unfold on the Web two weeks after the White House reporter (using the nom de laptop Jeff Gannon) resigned. THE DAILY KOS and other blogs forced the issue–prompted by two years of Guckert’s asking outrageously slanted questions–by drawing attention to his dubious credentials as an employee of the G.O.P.-aligned Talon News site. Blogs like AMERICABLOG last week gleefully dug up gay-escort sites that feature Guckert, and former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer admitted off-line that he looked into Guckert’s partisanship as far back as two years ago.
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    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1029840,00.html

  • http://www.nfmpolitico.com/2009/06/29/pitney-vs-milbank-the-aftermath/ Pitney vs. Milbank: The Aftermath

    [...] both right and they both just lay into each other." And Time’s Michael Scherer was all pox on both houses, describing the exchange as "what’s wrong with the current state of America’s [...]

  • milowent

    if you are going to mention #dickwhisperer, you have to provide the context. otherwise i would have just left it out. your post is all about how these two are getting in the dirt, so why stop at milbank allegedly whispering ‘you’re suck a dick’ to pitney after the segment? i’m sure milbank never thought nico would divulge that. but milbank started this whole thing by putting his own exagerrated spin on the press conference.

    plus, #dickwhisperer is hella funny.

  • pafro

    I just wish Debbie Howell was still ombudsman at the WaPo. When she claimed that Jack Abramoff contributed money to Democrats and refused to correct her story, it took an avalanche of obsenity-laced hate mail to get her to do the right thing. During that periond she insinuated that only dirty bloggers use profanity.
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    I would love to hear what Debbie Howell thought of one of her “star” reporters calling someone a “dick”.

  • square1

    I’m late to the party, but I have to say that any reporter in the WH press pool that didn’t completely lose it during the Gannon affair (i.e. when a male prostitute, using an assumed name, lobbed softball questions to the President and press secretaries) has zero credibility on this issue.
    .
    MS asks:

    This incident raised all sorts of interesting questions. Should the president be able to place non-White House press reporters in the crowd during his press conferences? Should the wires, newspapers and television networks lose their spots as the first questions of the conference? Should the president be able to invite niche publications with niche topics into the press conference to shape its course, even if the president does not know the exact content of the question? If that is allowed, how much further can the president go in shaping the content of the press conference?

    .
    Legitimate questions? Sure. But questions that neither MS nor Time had any interest in raising during the past 8 years.
    .
    As for Dana Milbank, he is simply a clown. Even the suggestion that the fool is trying to preserve the journalistic integrity of the press pool is an insult to my intelligence.

  • Ivy_B

    Another take on this by Rachel Sklar. Agree or disagree, MS, this is an example of how to discuss the matter that you might consider.
    .
    http://charitini.com/post/132235328/nico-pitney-won-the-clash-with-dana-milbank-today

  • plukasiak

    what is most pathetic is that Scherer takes Kurtz’s Reliable Sources seriously enough to write a couple of hundred words about it. Here’s a hint, Michael….while Milibank was having his little hissy fit, Kurtz was assiduously not discussing the real media news of import; the sacking of Dan Froomkin from the Washington Post.

  • Paul-no not that one
  • dumdedumdum

    just for starters, MS kicks off with “If you want to know what’s wrong with the current state of America’s political discourse…” but I think he means, at the very most, “America’s political journalism,” which is not the same thing at all. America’s political journalism should help to inform America’s political discourse. In this case, Pitney did, Milbank, not so much.

  • bitterpill8

    pluk: excellent point. The Post is refusing to discuss Froomkin’s departure. How’s that for accountability. The Post wants to hold everyone, but itself, accountable. With fellas like Milbank you understand why they don’t. Kurtz is hardly the probing media critic. He is an aggregator: there is always a cop out.
    pnnto: Judicial activism is okay for Scalia and gang only.

  • destor23

    We don’t wanted planted and staged questions, sure but is there really any value in the President now knowing what the questions will be? It’s a presser, after all, not a policy pop quiz.

  • grape_crush

    .
    Exhibit 54362.A in why Big Media is losing its grip on the flow of discourse in America:
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    1) Arrogance/False sense of entitlement: Of course, the president is supposed to follow a script of sorts…how can (or should) the White House press corps contain the President’s ability to tailor the subject matter and tenor of his press conferences with the people he calls on?
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    Since when did the White House press corps dictate the flow of the press conferences to the President?
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    2) Irrelevancy: And he asked a good question, as pointed as any that was devised by the mainstream networks and publications.
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    Maybe, just maybe, someone on Planet Media will realize that asking real questions about things that matter instead of going all Access Hollywood will earn more respect from the people they are questioning. The time to engage in the style of ‘reporting’ that produces stories about Beer Pong and Speidi.
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    3) Fragmentation: [Obama] has been notably generous in calling on members of the minority press…as the media becomes more fragmented, and reporters increasingly represent niche audiences..
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    This is new? If Big Media didn’t see this coming – via the blindness caused by excessive hubris – then small wonder that Huffington “suggested that the established press was a defensive group of third grade boys whining about the new kid”. It’s exactly right. We’ve had niche advertising and niche programming (on cable) for decades, and the MSM’s failure to recognize that trend applying to its own business is sad.
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    4) Navel-gazing: This is not a partisan issue, nor does it condemn reporters like Pitney who use their opportunities to ask tough questions. Simply put, Obama is not the first president to play this game, and he won’t be the last.
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    First, a pissing match in print, then a pissing match on cable, and now Scherer’s opinion-free meta-analysis of the pissing match.
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    Sad.

  • http://aroundthesphere.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/the-youre-such-a-d-heard-around-the-sphere/ The “You’re Such A D*#%” Heard Around The Sphere « Around The Sphere

    [...] #3: Michael Scherer in Swampland: And then came Sunday. Howard Kurtz invited both Pitney and Milbank onto his CNN show, [...]

  • constantweader

    While the Milbank-Pitney slapdown was admitted appropriate fodder for the Jerry Springer show, and neither Pitney nor the Milbank-Kurtz acquitted itself well, the larger debate reminds me of the Monks v. Gutenberg contest of several centuries back. And we know how that turned out.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • mrtoads

    Oh, for goodness’ sake, Michael – I can’t believe you wasted space on this “both the serial killer and the man who jaywalked to save a child are equally lawbreakers” stuff when Real Journalism is begging for attention – specifically, the world needs to know whether Michael Jackson was murdered to prevent him from exposing Obama’s lurid past or to prevent him from exposing that Obama was actually born in Mukden and smuggled into Hawaii as a sleeper Manchurian candidate.

  • http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2/?p=6257 Media Can be New, But Ethics Never Get Old — One Reporter’s Angle on ‘NicoGate’ « The SiliconANGLE

    [...] Mr. Pitney being there was not a problem in and of itself. In fact, it’s not even unusual for some media to get a "heads up" that they may be called on, as Time’s Mark Halperin [...]

  • merelymyopinion

    Unfortunately, Dana Milbank of WaPo and Maureen Dowd of NYT have deteriorated into the same sad acts. Snarky, repetitive, increasingly irrelevant. Predictable content regardless of subject. Just the latest iteration of their cool, dark view. Where have you gone Mark Twain, Dorothy Parker, H.L. Mencken? Oh, there you are, Gail Collins. Thank heavens.

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/02/coming-this-sunday-to-howard-kurtzs-reliable-sources/ Coming This Sunday to Howard Kurtz’s Reliable Sources – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] Scherer | Comments (0) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This If you thought the whole Dana Milbank/Nico Pitney battle was fun last week, just imagine the raw material that CNN host/Washington Post media critic Howard [...]

  • boredwell

    The president’s dead giveaway was in prefacing the question to Pitney. That blew both his and Pitney’s “cover.” The ensuing contretemps, unfortunately, failed to address the ethical nature of that gestalt opting instead to indulge in feckless head banging journalist envy.

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    [...] done, Savannah. Next to the #dickwhisper’s question about Obama’s bathing suit, this is the biggest waste of time by a reporter with access that [...]

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    [...] administration appeared to have control over the question; Obama didn’t follow “the script“ in which the president traditionally calls on Reuters after the AP, then the network [...]

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