We Don’t Have Nixon To Kick Around Anymore

I have seen this post before. Here. On this blog. Rinse and repeat?

I think the fact that Saint Reagan was a fan of the “Saturday Night Massacre” is the biggest revelation.

MS:
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Did you go to Argentoony with Sanford or something?
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We already done dood this one!

Doing something Karen Tumulty already did better, down to the quote. Way to go, tiger.

Michael – your employer (you know, the organization that pays you to know what’s going on) has this thing on the Internets – it’s called a “blog,” which, I believe, is short for “weblog.” it’s called “Swampland.” You might check it out sometime.

Yer just now realizin’ KT already did this, Michael, me lad?
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Ye must a’ been so deep up yer own arse admirin’ th’ feisty WH press corps tha’ other dealin’ in th’ world totally slipped by ye, matey!
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Arrgh!

Folks like to forget. That thinking was totally within the Overton window at the time. (Not necessarily the abortion part, but the taboo against interracial sex, let alone marriage). We can point and laugh now, but if that tape had come out at the time, he would have had, if not a “Silent Majority”, at least a large plurality of Americans nodding in agreement.

MS, if you repeat a post verbatim, you may as well write it from a different perspective. Something like, see how repressive and bigoted Nixon’s words sound today? That’s exactly how those who oppose gay marraige will sound in 30 years.

“And yet, Swampland kicks and kicks again.”
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That’s because we love you, MS.
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Call it tough love…

On the topic of the Nixon tapes:
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http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002996.html
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Scherer,
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How’s about a post on that jerkoff Milbank and his factually-challenged column. Arianna is taking tuh boyz to task for lying and being childish once again. What’s your take on the Pitney question?
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Oh! And this!
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Does this embarrass you at all, being a resident WHPC? Wonder what the ex-WHPC’ers think about their buddy Dana. Hmmm.

Or, as Marcy points out, the bushies planted a gay ‘ho in the briefing room. The WHPC at the time not only didn’t throw a tantrum about his planted questions, they defended the fact that they ignored him. “Live and let live” as one WH’ho lectured us Atriots at the time.
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How times have changed, with Democrats in the Oval Office!

Ah yes, but the current president can say and do the following:
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1) Call a vicious, racially-motivated six-on-one attack where a victim was jumped, knocked unconscious and stomped while prostrate a “schoolyard fight”, thereby minimizing the moral blameworthiness of black defendants.
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2) Use racial code words, i.e., the “just us” system.
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3) Use stereotypes to describe rural America as “xenophobic”. (Imagine if a GOP politician described urban America in similar stereotypes.)
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4) Proclaimed himself inspired by a sermon which contained the trite, racist and wrong “White folks’ greed runs a world in need”.
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5) Expose his children to the race huckster preacher, Jeremiah Wright.
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6) Write in terms of “that’s how white folks will do you”.
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7) Preside over a Justice Dept. that tosses default judgments against black men interfering with white people’s right to vote at polling places.
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8) Make stereotypical comments about white people being afraid of black people, i.e., “typical white person”.
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Of course, Swampland will post stuff about 35 year old conversations, and that’s a good thing, but when it comes to questioning whether the current president has some bigotry in his heart, not so much.
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So spob, that must mean you’re defending Nixon.
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Dishonesty and distraction…..

Not defending Nixon in the slightest–note that I said that it was a good thing that Swampland was posting about it . . . .
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So, PD, please explain how I am being dishonest now, care to dispute anything in my post?
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Thought not.

Only that for an alleged non-racist, you certainly have a very peculiar obsession.

let’s unpack that comment PD. Judging by the comments in this thread and the previous thread about the Nixon tapes, pretty much everyone is in agreement that bigotry qua bigotry is bad. Therefore, it seems to me that any person holding such views needs to be called to account. If bigotry is bad in Nixon, why isn’t it bad in Barack Obama? Does Obama’s race have something to do with that? Is bigotry on the part of a white person worse than on the part of a black person? (People make that argument, but is that how the MSM rolls?)
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I just think there’s a double standard in America. I don’t see how calling me obsessed or implying that I am a racist goes to the merits of my argument.

I’ll just say one last thing then feeding time is over.
The 35 years that has passed since Nixon is a drop in the bucket. Routine lynchings, Voters suppression, shoot to kill orders are all things that have happened during my lifetime. You may really resent that minorities can use language that would raise eyebrows among white people today, but we can all thank our lucky stars that we’ve reached the point where eyebrows are raised. As far as actual damage that’s been done and is still happening, you’re dreams of absolute parity is a pipe dream.
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You’re role as a poor oppressed white person is laughable. You’re really just mad that you don’t get to say what you really think with impunity.

Never said I was oppressed; just said that there are double-standards. Why is that soooooo hard to admit? And is questioning St. Barack’s bona fides on race somehow off base?
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You can call me a racist, but you cannot refute my arguments. Loser.

by the way, PD, since you’ve referred to “feeding time”, please explain how my comment in this thread is trollish. Can you?

Come on guys . . . . If I am so stupid, why can’t you deal?

please explain how my comment in this thread is trollish. Can you
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spob,
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Just went and read the definiition of “troll” on WikiPedia and found the folowing:

a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

You definitely fit description[1] with all of the insults and [2] is pretty well spot on too. We’ve pretty well given up on getting you into an open-minded discussion on ANYTHING.
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So, yeah, troll does fit.

How is pointing out facts “inflammatory”? I certainly raise a legitimate point. And, I might add, where are you afguy when commenters here routinely insult republicans in general. Oh, that’s right, nowhere.
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I didn’t realize this was the DailyKos.

Spob – Do you see any difference between an American President A) pointing out that rural Americans tend to be more xenophobic than their big city counterparts, and B) advocating the abortion of mulattos (to use the parlance of the times)?
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Honestly, I’m curious. Are Obama’s statements and behavior really comparable to Nixon’s? Which is more severe and disgusting?

First of all, vastwastelander, I did not say that Obama’s comments were worse. Second of all, Obama did not say it in the manner you posit. Here’s the quote: “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”. Pretty nasty and stereotypical stuff, I would say. Would a GOP politician who said similar things about urban America get off so easily?
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And vastwastelander, that;s not the only thing he did or said. His casual minimization of the Jena Six assault seems to me that he had little care for the white victim.

Facts, spob?? What “facts?? Maybe facts as YOU see want to see them . . .
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Well, as for “inflammatory”, let’s start with the calling someone a “loser” and your references to “St. Barack”. I happen to think the GOP deserves all of the insults it’s been getting and their governing conduct over the last 30 years has been morally and ethically reprehensible.
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My children are as conservative as they get (and mixed race to boot). They supported Bush and can’t seem to understand why I voted for Obama. For the record, I did so not because I consider him any kind of “savior” or “saint”, but because the Repubs had so forfeited any trust I ever had they might have the welfare of the country at heart before their party. Obama and the “D”s deserved a chance to correct things – the GOP wasn’t even trying.
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I have had more Repubs at my church tell me that Bush was sent by God to be President than I have ever heard from the Dems about Obama’s divine mission. So “can” the St. Barack garbage!
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As for the “pity party” you are throwing for yourself, I don’t think many here are bleeding for you, but I think I can speak for the others that we will listen if you really want to have a discussion – you will just have to check the insults at the door to be taken seriously.

afguy, the “saint Barack” etc. is totally ok in this forum, given what gets said about the GOP generally. If you’re going to get po’d at that, then you’re just mad because it’s your ox that is gored.
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Second, “loser” is an appelation that has been directed at me since Day one. I get to respond to people who make such comments to me, in kind. Or do you think I don’t? Moreover, PD implied that I was a troll–what, I can’t respond in kind? Whatever.
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But you say that I don’t present facts. My comment in here has facts and argument. I know it’s hard, but perhaps, just perhaps, you could deal with them.
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Lastly, I ask for no pity. None. You guys can insult me all you want. Guess what–I don’t care. Don’t mistake pointing out your hypocrisy for a request for pity. It’s not.

spob:
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Excuse me for interrupting your rants.
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Go f yourself!
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YARR!

Spob – Obama got as much grief for his “clinging to guns” comment as Palin did for her frequent “real America” comments. These statements are two sides of the same coin, and neither is anywhere close to “let’s abort the misceganators.” Comparing anything Obama has said (or Palin, to be fair) to Nixon’s way of thinking is ludicrous, and trying to paint him as a racist is a total fail. I know the GOP is having a hard time sticking him with something, but lemme tell ya: “reverse racist” isn’t gonna work. Find a new meme.

Afguy:
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You have hit it on the nailhead. spob’s a troll.
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He trotted out Katrina out of thin air in order to get an angry response from me. But, you know, I tried, really tried to overwhelm his rants with facts, and I was unsuccessful.
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So now, the only recommendation I can make is to join the chorus immediately above…

spob,
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I don’t give a d*mn what YOU determine is OK for this forum. The “St. Barack/Magic Negro” crap is a known GOP talking point. You have bought into the whole “we are SOOO persecuted so anything we do in retaliation is OK” angle to justify whatever you want to say.
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When I start to see you take a firm moral/ethical stand on events such as Vitter/Ensign (without reflexively trying to find a corrsponding Dem situation to pull out and wave around), then I’ll start to take you seriously.
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Until then, as far as I’m concerned, you are just a follower of a failed religion/cult called the Republican Party who refuses to recognize its failures and obvious flaws.
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You and those poor souls from Jonestown have a LOT in common.

Sorry about the “troll-bashing”, guys.
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spob just got on my last nerve. He’s reminding me too much of those whose defense is to find someone similar (or worse in their eyes, if possible) and bash them, rather than trying to address the core problem.
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I know the axiom . . . don’t feed the trolls. I’ve said it enough myself.

The “St. Barack” comment has nothing to do with the magic negro stuff. Nothing. It’s a commentary on the sycophancy that goes on in here. You’ll note I have riffed on it with St. Michelle and Apostle Dave. And besides, genius, Barack yapped about the ocean’s rise slowing and the earth beginning to cool when he accepted the nomination. When you do that, people get to mock you as St. Barack.
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With respect to Vitter/Ensign and now Sanford, what they did was wrong.
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As for you, vastwastelander, I don’t see how the casual attribution to rural americans of antipathy towards others is comparable to anything Palin said. Face it, there’s no defense to the bigotry in Barack’s rural america comments. He got grief for the bitter, not the stereotyping. Now, if that were an isolated incident, well, maybe we could ignore it. But we cannot, since it isn’t isolated.
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By the way, vw, in Swampland, McCain got grief for a supposedly racist ad, yet no one asked whether Barack’s statements that rural Americans don’t like people who aren’t like them are evidence of bias, particularly given his other comments about white folks. Are you saying that such an inquiry is out of bounds? I think not. By the way, and I’ll say this again, I didn’t say that what Obama said was the same as what Nixon said.
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53_3, your nonsense about Katrina is silly. Bottom line, the Dem mayor of NO and the Dem gov of LA screwed the pooch, making the challenge for the federal government a lot harder. Now maybe, just maybe, we need to put the feds in charge of everything when it comes to disaster relief and cut localities out, but that’s not what the system was when Katrina hit.
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and once again afguy, I don’t really care what you think about this forum. The bottom line is that there’s a doublestandard for what I can post and what you and your fellow travelers can post. I reject that out of hand.
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And funny, no one here can seem to dispute my basic argument that there IS a double-standard at play here. Hmmmmmmmm.

Au contraire, afguy. Ya see, in this thread, my post meets the definition of germane. If bigotry is wrong in a Chief Executive, why can’t I ask why 35 year old racist, protect the purity of white race crapola gets a lot of attention, when the CURRENT Chief Executive has made bigoted comments himself or done things to suggest that he plays racial favorites. I’m not using this to defend Nixon. There is no defense to such idiocy. None. Of course, now that I think of it, St. Barack had some views on interracial relationships which were somewhat odd–something about blacks and whites in a relationship never being able to get past race–kinda creepy. Weird. And what makes St. Barack all the more galling is that this turkey tries to lecture the rest of us on race. Wow.
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Yet asking about his bona fides is off-base. Whatever.

Isn’t the Governor of Louisiana a Republican? Maybe I didn’t get enough sleep last night and my brain crapped out on me . . . or perhaps there’s some other explanation. Is he talking about Huey Long? Someone clue me in here . . .

Isn’t the Governor of Louisiana a Republican?
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vastwastelander,
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Yes, he is. And, if you’re thinking about the SC governor, he is too.
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Fox apparently has a conditional fault with their label keyboards. If the news is bad, the politician’s party affiliation displays as a “D” without exception. Only on good news is party affiliation accurate.

vw, Kathleen Blanco was a Dem

afguy, so what? We were talking about Katrina, and the governor then was a Dem. pwned.

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