Moving Past Notre Dame

I doubt it was anything other than a coincidence, but it’s worth noting that on the same day that Obama spoke about the importance of “comprehensive immigration reform” in remarks before Hispanic Prayer Breakfast, the U.S. Catholic Bishops called for reform of the nation’s immigration laws at their annual gathering and offered their assistance in the effort.

Despite real differences between the Church and this administration on abortion and stem-cell research, Obama can count Catholics as some of his strongest supporters on the issue of immigration. If anything, the Catholic bishops have expressed a greater sense of urgency, calling today for action before the end of the year while Obama pointedly avoided discussing a timeline for reform.

The statement from Chicago Cardinal Francis George, president of the bishops’ conference follows after the jump:

“On behalf of the United States Catholic Bishops, gathered in San Antonio, Texas, at our annual spring meeting, I would ask President Barack Obama and congressional leaders of both parties to work together to fashion and enact comprehensive immigration reform legislation before the end of the year.

It has been clear for years that the United States immigration system requires repair and that reform legislation should not be delayed.

We urge respect and observance of all just laws, and we do not approve or encourage the illegal entry of anyone into our country. From a humanitarian perspective, however, our fellow human beings, who migrate to support their families, continue to suffer at the hands of immigration policies that separate them from family members and drive them into remote parts of the American desert, sometimes to their deaths. This suffering should not continue.

Now is the time to address this pressing humanitarian issue which affects so many lives and undermines basic human dignity. Our society should no longer tolerate a status quo that perpetuates a permanent underclass of persons and benefits from their labor without offering them legal protections. As a moral matter, we must resolve the legal status of those who are here without proper documentation so that they can fully contribute their talents to our nation’s economic, social and spiritual well being.

Only through comprehensive reform can we restore the rule of law to our nation’s immigration system.

We urge President Obama and congressional leaders to meet as soon as possible to discuss and draft comprehensive immigration reform legislation, with the goal of making it law by the end of 2009. The Catholic bishops of our country stand ready to assist in this effort.”

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  • stuartzechman

    Oh no…not now
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    Not when we have really important things going on…
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    Couldn’t the absence have lasted just a little bit longer…?

  • Friar Tuck

    Nobody cared about Notre Dame in the first place. Would you please just STFU?

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    She be escaped!

  • tantef

    I thought the reprogramming took longer. This new Vatican must be using the German technique.

  • stuartzechman

    Amy Sullivan:
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    Just…would you please, please do us the greatest favor, and abstain from posting for only a while longer?
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    Could you just please be quiet until we get through some profoundly important events that are happening internationally and here, at home?
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    I’m very, very serious.
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    Would you do this community of engages news consumers the favor of leaving us alone to sort out what’s going on that truly affects our lives?
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    Please?

  • gysgt213

    Just when the day was going so well. Out pops Amy with a bunch of mythical tales. Are these statements from the non-PEDOPHILE denomination or Our Lady of the Orthodox-Hypocrites?

  • stuartzechman

    sorry, that should read “engaged news consumers”…

  • Friar Tuck

    SZ – as always, you prove the worth of good manners and honest advocacy. Thank you!
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    My original remark stands, however.

  • tantef

    Paging St. Jude, intervention needed at Swampland.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I don’t think any liberals care what catholics think on any topic. They have burned all the bridges there may have been between the two groups.

  • dunedweller

    Moving Past “Bible Dame”
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    Next…

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Alri’ Derek, as a libral Catholic pirate, I be takin’ issue wi’ yer broad brush, me hearty!

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Wow. All this hostility toward Amy. I almost – but not quite – feel bad for her. You know what makes me feel better when I’m down? A rousing chorus of “Highway to Hell”! ‘scuse me while I turn this one to 11.

  • mccainfluffer

    Thanks Amy for resurrecting the phony Notre Dame outrage. Silly me, forgot all about it!

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    “liberal Catholic pirate” – so many contradictions in so short a space. I see a tighty-whitey Repug with an eye-patch and a “Gay Pride” rainbow button. I dunno…

  • queencersei

    Two on-going wars, crisis in North Korea and Iran, still working through a FUBAR economy & housing crisis, health care reform….seriously with all of that to deal with, I would’t want to lay down a timeline on yet another issue either.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Alri’ Derek, as a libral Catholic pirate, I be takin’ issue wi’ yer broad brush, me hearty!”
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    The fear of death be causen a lot of people to grasp onto illusion matey.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    A few threads back I accused someone of ‘comic-book’ thinking because they saw the world in an exremely simplified, black/white manner.
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    So now I need help coming up with a phrase that describes someone who’s worldview means that she is constantly surprised and amazed that a lifelong Babtist parishioner with a thoughtfully constructed moral sense may occasionally be in agreement with Catholic Bishops.
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    I hereby open the floor to suggestions.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Okay, open topic time!
    Whatcha got? Overpopulation worked a couple of days ago…
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  • dunedweller

    So now I need help coming up with a phrase that describes someone who’s worldview means that she is constantly surprised and amazed that a lifelong Babtist parishioner with a thoughtfully constructed moral sense may occasionally be in agreement with Catholic Bishops.
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    holy hypersensitive Batman

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    PD: Assuming you’re being sincere, rather than rhetorical, why not go with the obvious: a “Sullivan”? Eg.: “Geez, quit being such a whiny Sullivan.” Or, “Oi, Sullivan, do I have to spell it out for you?”

    I mean, why be ambiguous when you can get straight to the heart of it?

  • Rorschach

    As an alum, I beg of you, quit it with the Notre Dame stuff. It wasn’t a story the first time around.

  • Art Pepper

    Derek: Have to disagree. It’s more complicated than that. The Catholic church is conservative, even reactionary, on some issues (gay rights, contraception), and radically progressive on others (social justice). I hear a lot more about the former in the media, but a lot more about the latter at our local parish.

  • kattest123

    Here’s how BHO is trying to mislead you about this issue. Amy Sullivan is even worse, simply repeating lies from others and not even smart enough to come up with her own (series) of lies.
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    If you want to find out how BHO is misleading you, click the link.

  • dunedweller

    PD, I think my first suggestion was better because it had a comic book nod, but simply “religion & politics blogger” about covers it too.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Derek: Have to disagree. It’s more complicated than that. The Catholic church is conservative, even reactionary, on some issues (gay rights, contraception), and radically progressive on others (social justice). I hear a lot more about the former in the media, but a lot more about the latter at our local parish.”
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    Art I don’t attend any churches so I wouldn’t know so please accept my apology. Generally speaking I’m pretty much opposed to any group that pretends to have knowledge of things outside of space and time. I think it only serves to spread ignorance, and give people false hope.

  • juniusredivivus

    Dear me, what kneejerk reactions to a headline. The story itself is interesting – and Obama would probably remind you that we can’t just do one thing at a time, which is why his administration is trying to move forward on several issues at once. Perhaps a little dialling back of the shrillness and the poutrage would be beneficial? Amy Sullivan may not be perfect, but nor are we, and a little Christian charity – yes Friar, I am looking at you – and some humility – yes, Mr Zechman, I am looking at you – would make the world considerably better for all of us.

  • stuartzechman

    yes, Mr Zechman, I am looking at you
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    Thanks so much for your help.

  • sacredh

    Welcome back Amy. I missed you. You came back on my birthday! Please, don’t anybody get me anything else. More church threads please. Or Notre Dame. Anything to post on over the weekend.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The Catholic church is conservative, even reactionary, on some issues, and radically progressive on others.
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    Which is why Amy’s perpetual surprise over this easily discernable fact is so annoying. Trying to shoehorn everything into simple left/right terms invariably results in chaotic nonsense. The real world is significantly richer.

  • jcapan

    Mr. Friar said: “Would you please just STFU?”
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    Aren’t you like religulous? Cuz if I can say stuff like that and still be welcomed into the flock, perhaps I have to reassess my agnosticism. Being the firebreathing prick that I am, I was always under the impression that I’d have to tone it down and speak kindly to everyone.
    ~
    And Junius, you’re probably right, but how long has Amy been here–she has never (correct me if I’m wrong folks) once lowered herself to respond to us.

  • FlownOver

    PD:
    I believe the phrase you seek is “Amy Sulllivan.” Sui generis.

  • Ivy_B

    And Junius, you’re probably right, but how long has Amy been here–she has never (correct me if I’m wrong folks) once lowered herself to respond to us.
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    Well there was the time before she was a regular blogger when someone managed to capture her id and posted very vulgar comments under her name. Before that she responded now and then, guess once burned and all that…

  • jcapan

    Ivy, I see, “someone” …

  • Ivy_B

    jc – there was never any clue and after that registration was changed. It was quite the time, but alas, lost in the great crash of 2008

  • Friar Tuck

    jcapan and junius,
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    I am indeed “religuluous,” and that’s part of the reason why AS has ground off my last nerve.
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    But don’t worry. As a direct result of my notorious combustibility, I’m being stored in the basement of a seminary, and am only brought out to light the grill at barbecues.

  • Friar Tuck

    Wow – I misspelled “religulous.”

  • jcapan

    FT, BTW, did you ever watch Northern Exposure? The ep were Chris went to a monk’s retreat is a classic.

  • sacredh

    I finally did buy the movie. I’m saving it for when the MIL has her minister over for dinner at the end of the month. She’s already told him how cruel I am. Maybe if I show the movie after dinner she can score a pity f#@k from him.

  • jcapan

    Sacred, do you mean the Swedish vamp pic?

  • juniusredivivus

    Friar Tuck. I don’t doubt your religulosity, or your combustible nature, but I am a little unsure as to how you square charity and love with some extremely harsh and rather unhelpful comments that seem undeserved when one considers the piece itself. The headline was perhaps not very tactful – but hardly worth the fury that has been expended on it.

    Stuart Zechman, I would be happy to help you, but on this one, you have to do the heavy lifting yourself. It’s easy to join the lynch mob, and easy to convince yourself that you are righteous. What takes more character is to step back, reflect, and take a different path. Hostility to Amy for a piece that is, in itself, somewhat interesting, doesn’t strike me as any sort of progress for anyone.

  • sacredh

    jcapan: No. Bill Mahr’s Religulous. I’ve been playing an elaborate practical joke on my MIL for about 6 weeks and she now thinks the house is haunted. She invited her minister down to check things out and have dinner. With any luck, she’ll come off looking even crazier than she is.

  • sacredh

    Cliff: Very serious. We had a new A/C-furnace put in and the new ductwork goes through the gameroom, bathroom and into the MIL’s room. I go into the game room late at night and whisper into the register in my “deepest-scary” voice. When I hear her get out of bed I hide behind the couch. I’ll say I felt a sudden chill and ask her if she has felt anything strange. I reset her alarm clock for midnight, turn the hands on the grandfather clock to midnight and stop the pendulum, hide stuff of hers, if I have to get a drink in the middle of the night I’ll re-arrange things in the cupboard or spill salt on the table. She’s spooked. I blame my stepson and she says it wasn’t him. I tell her my keys aren’t where I left them and say I’ve been hearing the floors creak late at night (it’s me). I’ve been having a blast.

  • Friar Tuck

    junius, just came back to this thread. Sorry about the slow-motion conversation.
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    I am a little unsure as to how you square charity and love with some extremely harsh and rather unhelpful comments
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    Fair point, and you’re very kind to be “a little unsure.” In fact, I don’t square charity and love with harshness and unhelpfulness. The former are qualities of grace, and the latter are qualities of sin, therefore, my invective was sinful.
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    So , I’ll go back to work on charity and love (and humility and patience).

  • sacredh

    FT: Don’t work too hard on it. Keeping things bottled up is a prime cause of ulcers. Being “harsh” can be easily confused with being honest. Call them how you see them.

  • Friar Tuck

    sacredh-
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    I do actually use this blog as my form of primal scream therapy, but junius has a point. It would be ironic if I created more cognitive dissonance than AS, no?

  • sacredh

    FT: Swampland is one hell of a lot cheaper than a shrink. I use it as my own personal Janov also. Junius may have a point, but you have to look at it as possibly reeling yourself in at the cost of saying what you believe to be the truth and honestly, most of the people on here are at least a little crackers. Who cares if we’re blunt? Many years ago I actually caused the psychologist for our district to seek professional help and he quit. Big deal. If he couldn’t handle one head case he didn’t deserve to have the job in the first place.

  • sacredh

    Goodnight all.

  • juniusredivivus

    Friar Tuck, I am certainly not suggesting that you don’t tell the truth as you see it, much less asking you to ulcerate your honorable self. I do, however, think that it is probably isn’t good for you, or anyone, to overdo the anger side of things. I know the argument about not holding anger in, but there is a counter-argument, which suggests that indulging anger too much is habit-forming, and also physically bad for us – all that extra strain on the heart, the adrenaline surge which is not especially beneficial, the added stress and so forth. Sometimes it benefits both us and the community to curb the anger and respond with calm, goodhearted and constructive criticism.

    Sacredh: one can be blunt without being unfair or harsh, and often truth-telling works best when we do it in a conciliatory kind of way. I hold no warrant for thinking that journalists are perfect, or that Amy Sullivan is infallible, but I have some trouble seeing what was in the substance of the post that was so upsetting. I don’t think the headline was well-chosen, but if we start getting annoyed over such things, what will we do when there are more serious problems to respond to? There is a point at which instant anger and outrage over trivial matters like headlines mean that anger over the big issues becomes devalued.

  • neorationalist86

    I agree with Junius-
    I am relatively new to Swampland, so I do not fully understand the ongoing war between the commentators and AS; however, in this particular post, I see nothing in the slightest bit offensive or irksome. I simply do not understand this particular degree of ire. Anyone have a rational reason as to why they were so offended? Other than they find a post related to religion offensive in and of itself, in which case, never mind, do not respond.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    @neo,
    The problem (at least as I see it) is that Amy considers herself religious and liberal. This is not actually unusual but she is so proud of her ability to bridge what she sees as an insurmountable divide that she utterly fails to notice that she routinely misrepresents the position of just about everybody she comes in contact with. Many people find that infuriating. I simply find it odd.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    sacred: you’re a devious sob. Thanks for the ideas… Though, in truth, my MIL was a sweetheart, so I’ll have to find some other victim. The county Republican chief lives kiddy-corner to me, so that’s an option.

  • Art Pepper

    Whatever Amy’s past sins, I thought this was a perfectly interesting post.
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    There is still a meme floating around the mediasphere that says Catholics and Democrats can never get along. But on a number of issues (immigration, captial punishment, the war in Iraq, social justice) the Catholic view is far closer to the Dems than the GOP. Just goes to show that left/right is a simplistic way to categorize people.

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