House Health Care Plan

The key committee chairmen put out an outline today of their approach to health care reform (more in-depth info here), and there’s one thing they want you to know about it: “Uniquely American,” said House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller. Added Energy and Commerce’s Henry Waxman: “Uniquely American.” And what does former Energy and Commerce Chairman John Dingell like so much about it? “An American solution,” he said.

But the insurance industry has a few reservations. Like this one: “We need a uniquely American approach to health care reform,” warns Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for the trade lobby America’s Health Insurance Plans.

Anyone who has followed this debate for more than 20 seconds will immediately recognize all this talk of unique Americanism as another way of saying not single payer, which is the government-financed system that just about every other industrialized country uses in one form or another. And all this skittishness about single payer explains the delicacy with which the House drafters have tried to finesse the question of whether their system will have a public plan, something like Medicare, but for people under 65.

The answer is, it will have a public plan, and a strong one–at first.

In the early stage, the public plan would reimburse health care providers at rates that are “similar to those used in Medicare”–that is, significantly lower than most private insurers pay them. This is something that the insurance industry, doctors and hospitals will all hate. “A government-run plan that pays based on Medicare rates – for any period of time – is a recipe for disaster,” Scott P. Serota, president and Chief Executive Officer of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association, said in a statement issued by the association. “Already in some parts of the country nearly 30 percent of Medicare enrollees report that they cannot find doctors willing to accept new patients, due to below market rates. Rural hospitals, in particular, are struggling to keep their doors open. These low payment rates would threaten the quality of healthcare and undermine the improvements that we believe reform can bring to communities across the country.”

Advocates would argue, on the other hand, that those lower rates could be a powerful engine to bring down health costs. Which is why they won’t be happy with what happens next. According to the summary, this tie to Medicare rates would be “severed over time as more flexible payment systems are developed.” In other words, this public plan would eventually evolve into something that looks–and competes–more like a private insurance company, albeit one that happens to be run by the government. At the news conference, I asked the committee chairmen precisely what that means–When would that happen? And under what circumstances? They couldn’t tell me, and demurred that this is the kind of thing that still needs to be worked out. Waxman said it would take “a period of time” for the public plan to get started, but that “they will at some point compete.”

The House committee chairmen are trying to have it both ways on the public plan. That might work–or might just end up satisfying no one.

Of course, the biggest thing that needs to be worked out is how they are going to pay for this bill, which they said would ultimately assure that 95% of Americans have health coverage. What they are looking at is a combination of reductions in Medicare and Medicaid spending and taxes. The Associated Press reports: “To pay for it all, House Democrats are considering everything from taxing soda to raising income taxes on people earning more than $200,000 to imposing a federal sales tax.”

Until they figure that part out, all of this other stuff is written in smoke.

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  • stuartzechman

    KT:
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    Uniquely American
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    …as in “unique amongst the developed nations of the world, Americans pay the most, and yet get the least from their health care system“?
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    Or “uniquely American” as in “unrecognizable to outside observers as a solution of any kind“?
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    I just love it when Democrats speak the language of the rightists reflexively. I can’t wait to give them more of my money!

  • stuartzechman

    KT:
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    This is something that the insurance industry, doctors and hospitals will all hate.
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    Awwwwww….I’m so upset for these people…
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    Hey, can you remind me of something, KT:
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    When the interests of ordinary people implacably collide with those of the professions, on who’s side are the Representatives in the House supposed to be, again?

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    Not that they are the most sympathetic bunch in the world, but I’m not understanding why everyones so surprised that doctors and insurerers are protesting a massive pay cut. If more people are to receive coverage the money has to come from somewhere. Apparently there are a bunch of people perfectly willing to stick it the Doctors. Perhaps they’re overpaid, but you don’t expect them to roll over and play dead while their meal ticket’s being snatched away from them, do you?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    KT has been liveblogging on twitter today. Do follow her to stay up to date on health legislation.
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    Also, I am starting to compile public option video–insurance horror stories, lying congresscritters, explanations. http://kroydblog.blogspot.com/
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    Send along anything good you find to me at twitter jayackroyd or by email jay@ackroyd.org

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    I like this idea, get a public plan in there, somehow, foot in the door, even if there is plans to phase it out. Every year, Congress makes a ritual of putting off a planned drop in Medicare reimbursement rates because they know that the public will freak out. I could see the same mentality for this public plan…get Republicans on the record every single year on how much they love government-run health care.

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  • plukasiak

    Karen
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    a couple of days ago, I asked you why Baucus was setting the health reform agenda — you said because the House leadership decided to let the Senate take the lead.
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    So why, now that the Baucus has already poisoned the well, are House Democrats coming out with their own proposal? What changed — are House members actually disgusted with what Baucus is doing, or is public pressure forcing the hand of House members?

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    “The insurance industry, doctors and hospitals will all” sleep easy, knowing the fix is in. The House will vote for something they can say next November they voted for, knowing full well the spineless weasels and self-interested whores across the rotunda will never let it become law. Even less chance in Hell the Cynate would pass increased taxes on their true constituents (the >$200K crowd) to pay for it.
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    … and yippee skippee! A mere fifteen million Americans with no way to pay for health care even if this were to pass!
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    Will this have at least the benefit of an honest face, i.e., the Epic Fail Imitation Health Care Reform Act of 2009?

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  • Karen Tumulty

    well, pluk–setting aside for a moment the question of why you are even bothering to ask for any information from someone you called a “shill” earlier today–this is pretty much the time frame the House has been talking about all along. It is Baucus who has stumbled a bit on his. But it still looks like the House will be a step behind the Senate. Waxman says they will begin hearings on this bill next week, but he made no mention of a markup.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Dirks
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    One of the points ezra makes in the bloggerhead video I posted is that while doctors aren’t happy with medicare reimbursement rates (about 20 percent less than private insurers, but with much less admin hassle) they don’t have to accept those patients. In practice, they do. And, in practice, the huge increase in volume, especially for PCPs, associated with getting another 47 million people in the system offsets any loss related to price per visit. And a good plan would INCREASE PCP visit reimbursement. That is where the cost effective treatment happens.
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    The only losers here are the people who are doing the damage, the insurers. Sure, they are gone fight to retain their government subsidized oligopolies. Sure, the plan they are going to advocate is one that increases the subsidy, by mandating participation, and using taxpayer dollars to subsidize the participation. But that destroys any possibility of cost containment, because it both retains the admin and profit to shareholders costs of the insurance industry and leaves doctor incentives aligned with overtreatment. That’s why these “compromises” cost a fortune, because they don’t bite the bullet.

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  • sacredh

    KT: Thanks for the thread and the info. If they’re thinking we’ll have a public plan “at first” then phase it out, I think they’re in for a rude surprise. If the public gets a taste of a single payer system and likes it, there will be hell to pay at the polls if they think they can do away with it. The single payer system could very well become a new “third rail” in politics. That might be the plan all along. Say “single payer” is only temporary and then then tilt even more strongly toward it later when it has the backing of the public.

  • destor23

    I don’t understand why they need a sales tax or a soda tax or any real kind of tax to pay for this. It’s really simple: take the premiums I’m paying now, stop giving them to a private insurance company and instead give them to the government as a tax. Actually, take a slightly lower amount than the premiums I pay now since the government, without a profit motive, won’t have to charge as much. Point is, you don’t need any extra taxes, you just need to shift the money that’s being extorted from us by insurance companies to the government.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    take the premiums I’m paying now, stop giving them to a private insurance company and instead give them to the government as a tax.
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    That won’t help cover the millions who are not currently paying any premiums or getting any care, which is sort of the point of the exercise.

  • stuartzechman

    Dirks:
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    which is sort of the point of the exercise.
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    With great respect as always, that is not the point of the exercise.
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    The point isn’t simply to help get the uninsured covered, the point is to help the tens of millions of people who pay into the current system finally get a good deal for their taxes, premium contributions and co-pays.
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    It’s not simply that we could lose our jobs and then be screwed without insurance, and therefore we must be “in solidarity” with our uninsured brethren.
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    You know the drill: of the 65 percent of bankruptcies related to health crises, 80 percent of those bankrupted had insurance.
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    The American health care consumer, i.e. everyone must see benefit in terms of their every day lives and futures made more secure (which of course includes the uninsured or soon to be uninsured), or this is a program that benefits the few at the top, i.e. industry, and the few at the bottom, i.e. those who qualify for assistance, and not the vast majority in between.
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    Social Security isn’t a program that only benefits people without pensions, and health care reform must have the same goals in terms of widely distributed advantages to health care consumers over their entire lives, otherwise it’s (repeal-able) welfare.
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    The point of the exercise is every consumer getting a better system for their hard-earned bucks, IMO. The problem to be solved is that Americans –that means everybody– spend the most per capita in the world and get results for it that aren’t nearly on par with those expenditures.

  • grape_crush

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    Paul Dirks: That won’t help cover the millions who are not currently paying any premiums or getting any care…
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    Well, it kinda does:

    The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.
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    Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

    However, there will be additional funding needed as well as some form of pricing control. Sin taxes and caps on the amounts charged for services.

  • gysgt213

    KT was called a “shrill.” WTF people?

  • jcapan

    Gunny, actually it was “shill” and see P-luk

  • choska

    Stuart is right. The point is that the insurance companies are screwing the rest of us straight to the wall.
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    I have private insurance. It costs me over $500 a month out of my take home pay. I know that if, God forbid, someone in my family became sick that they would cancel my coverage in a heart beat. They want my money. They don’t want to provide coverage.
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    Right now the insurance industry is screwing the individual consumers. Tomorrow they will be canceling the policies on bigger and bigger companies. They have already made it impossible for small businesses to offer health care for their employees.
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    It is well past time for we – the citizens of the US – to band together in order to provide health care for ourselves. We already do that to provide police services, utilities, schools, and roads. Health care shouldn’t be any different.
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    Which is not to say that we should outlaw private insurance. Just as you can hire your own security forces or send your kids to private schools or build your own roads, you should be able to give away your hard earned dollars to scheming grifters like Blue Cross.

  • destor23

    SZ said it for me and I second the respect for Paul Dirks but I have 2 dogs in this fight: 1) yeah, cover the uninsured. But 2) Lets stop letting insurance be the ripoff that it is. At the moment, I overpay for very stingy coverage. I want the health reform to give me another option.

  • stuartzechman

    I reject and denounce Paul Lukasiak’s characterization of Karen Tumulty as a “shill” for health insurance racketeers, whether that description refers to conscious or unconscious promotion of the insurance-sters’ agenda.
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    While there is much about her professional ideology (her acceptance of journalists’ role enforcing the boundaries of the sphere of legitimate debate comes to mind) with which to disagree –and fight– vigorously, it is far from obvious that Tumulty is acting as a decoy in order to better sell the health insurance industry’s agenda to the public.
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    That sort of accusation merits the term “hyperbole”, IMO.

  • stuartzechman

    ..I should also hasten to add that Paul Lukasiak often contributes extraordinarily valuable commentary, especially on the subject of health care reform, so my rejection (and denunciation) of his accusation against Tumulty should not be regarded as in any way diminishing those contributions.

  • stuartzechman

    …also, my rejection and denunciation of anything isn’t terribly meaningful, since I only represent myself.

  • gysgt213

    “Gunny, actually it was “shill” and see P-luk”
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    Oh. Well that’s different. Good luck P-luk. She will never ever forget that you called her that.

  • gysgt213

    I rejection and denounce myself. Stand strong Stu!

  • jcapan

    Last night for you guys, P-luk said the following:
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    “Ezra’s willingness to make excuses for a bill that represents a betrayal of health care reform is how/why he got his gig with the Washington Post. (Froomkin’s refusal to play the ‘make the politicians/sources look good game’ spelled his doom at the post.)
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    In other words, Ezra got his ‘peek’ because he’s now a reliable conduit for the insurance lobby — why Karen continues to treat him credibly is a whole nother question….’ In other words, Ezra got his ‘peek’ because he’s now a reliable conduit for the insurance lobby — why Karen continues to treat him credibly is a whole nother question….”
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    And Shep-Wong responded:
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    “I’m persuaded that Karen is offering the glass-half-full viewpoint for our consideration but is just as ‘concerned’ about the corporate ownership of the public policy as you or me. You just described why she can’t be more direct, or critical, and still keep her employer-subsidized health care.”
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    I think both make good pts. As someone who practices hyperbole at times, I can’t go so far as to call her a shill. First off, there seems to be an assumption that she’s a closeted leftist suppressing her true feelings, that she fears coming out in her “straight” (i.e. estab-revering community). That’s all far from clear to me.
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    However, for journos who indeed do roll over their convictions for a cush gig in the sinking MSM, I can’t say I share the Wonger’s sympathies. I worked on the hill for two years out of college, perceived it quickly to be doing anything but the people’s business and went back to grad school to study something wholly impractial and have been teaching (i.e. flirting with poverty ever since). We all make choices–where she works, can she be anything other than impotent given the forces at play? Whether those are self-imposed restrictions or they come from Stengel & co. I don’t know.

  • sacredh

    What if Amy never forgets things she has been called? How will we know? I missed the great crash of 2008 but it sounds like it was more than a little disruptive.

  • stuartzechman

    Oregon JC:
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    …there seems to be an assumption that she’s a closeted leftist suppressing her true feelings…
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    What? Who is under that assumption?

  • FlownOver

    KT:

    Let me be clear – I respect your talent and your dedication. You’ve done a better job of reporting this issue than anyone else I’ve seen, ‘cept maybe Atul Gawande. My recent frustration is directed at the message, not the messenger. Nevertheless, I’m convinced the deal’s done, and we’ll get a heaping bowlful of crap in the guise of reform, and I’m too p!$$ed to continue following the nuances of a sellout.

  • jcapan

    SZ: Well, for one, Shep seems to be when he says she’s just as concerned as we are. Is she, does her work demonstrate this and is such a view, if it’s indeed true, make her one of us? In any event, we can agree that KT is consistently viewed as the good cop on this beat. Without cause, perhaps, other than in response to her graciousness and decency, I think many of us ascribe to her positions that she may or may not have (as a straight reporter, it’s always unclear). A la the view that dirty 60′s hippy Joe Klein or Mother Jones’ progressive Michael Scherer must jettison any progressive sensibilities they might have once possessed when called up to the show.

  • yutsano

    I’m just going to refer to Paul Begala’s massive shout-out to KT and leave it at that.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/19/begala.health.care/index.html
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    BTW I agree with Begala here: Obama has to start spending his political capital on this issue NOW, before things get too wild and we end up with an unworkable piece of sausage.

  • sacredh

    yutsano: Thanks for the link. That was a nice shout-out for KT.
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    KT: I hope you notice you ARE making a difference.

  • helmetbreaker

    A complete package with coverage for all, a government insurance company to compete with private insurers and no explanation of what and how many tax increases will have to become law to pay for the program! that should scare the h— out of any American. the government insurance company will force the private insurers out, the cost will sky rocket due to mis-management and the government will be restricting services. This is a recipe for disaster for the baby boomer generation whose health care costs will be increasing with age. Get sick with an illness expensive to treat and you will be left to die without services. Hospitals will go broke and doctors will leave the system. this program isn’t designed to improve the system… it is designed to build the voter base for the Democrats with those who receive free or subsidized insurance. It is all about power so DC can tell you how to live and when you can’t live anymore. Whatever goes through as a new program, let’s make damn sure that th Senators, House membvers and the executive branch have to be on the same system we are!

  • dennisokeefe

    Insurance co ceo’s are some of the highest paid in the country, most hospital ceo’s are very highly paid…drug co ceo’s are even more wealthy. All suported in their extreme luxury by the illness,pain and misery of millions of americans. Now, we want to force everyone to buy a product[health insurance] from private companies to transfer even more $ to these people? Why stop there? Poverty is a larger and broader problem in our country..let’s force everyone to buy and to pay monthly into a private savings acct for every child at birth,maybe $500/mo; at 18 the kid is rich and we’ve fixed poverty…wow! that’s easy!! Let’s keep going. College costs are soaring as much as health care so that many kids can’t afford to attend a good school or they come out w/ huge debt. Mandate[force] college savings accts for every kid,another $300/mo, and voila another sticky social problem solved! It looks like we could just force private insurance and savings accts on all americans and everything is fixed. How about private social security too? Oh, I forgot, Bush tried that and we didn’t seem to like that. Too bad. Just imagine what we could do w/ everything privatized and mandated!

  • messenia

    Of course, the biggest thing that needs to be worked out is how they are going to pay for this bill, which they said would ultimately assure that 95% of Americans have health coverage.

    That is the folly of “a public option”: There is no way that a public option can do anything but add costs to an already out of control model without making any real difference to the people in the middle who are being crushed by health costs. Tell me please, how would that Ohio couple in the Obama infomercial be helped by this or any other plan that has been floated?

    Talking about a “public option” is diversionary; the reason Republicans are objecting so loudly is to shut out any and all discussion of actual reform: aka Single-Payer. They are framing the discussion before sensible people can even start thinking. Democrats should stop letting them define things and start talking about what kind of single-payer system we want.

    Political experts are quick to say that single-payer is a political impossibility. I’d like to remind people that most of those same experts never thought that Obama could be a serious contender against Hillary Clinton, let alone win the election.

    This is the time folks. Karl Rove is busy spelling out how to manipulate the public to reject any and everything that will constitute reform and the Democrats are playing right into his hands. We don’t need anymore half-baked patches; we need reform. To get it will require a campaign to first educate people beyond the scaremongering about “socialized” medicine then to discuss what type of single-payer system we want to have. It’s time for us to take our place in the world and get universal healthcare for every U.S. citizen.

  • plukasiak

    While there is much about her professional ideology (her acceptance of journalists’ role enforcing the boundaries of the sphere of legitimate debate comes to mind) with which to disagree –and fight– vigorously, it is far from obvious that Tumulty is acting as a decoy in order to better sell the health insurance industry’s agenda to the public.
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    When its the insurance industry who is defining the sphere of legitimate debate that Karen is helping to enforce, I think that “shill” is pretty close to the mark.
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    Karen presented a wholly deceptive article about health care costs as essential reading yesterday. The health insurance industry wants to divert attention away from the reforms necessary to optimize health care delivery (which means significantly if not wholly reducing the role of the middle man — the private insurance industry) to the idea that the problem is wasteful spending that can be fixed with “more data”.
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    But the reason why the Mayo Clinic (and companies like Kaiser Permanente) operate more “efficiently” (in terms of costs vs outcomes) has nothing to do with “better data”; rather its because they are closed systems where the company own all the resources used, and salaries (nearly) all medical professionals involved.
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    For instance, Kaiser Permanente offers no “out of network coverage” — get sick or hurt while you’re on vacation, and you’re not covered — unless and until you get to a facility owned by Kaiser Permanente.
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    And as for keeping your family doctor if you change plans — forget it. Your family doctor works for Kaiser Permanente, and you won’t have access to him/her once you leave KP.
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    NONE of these structural differences — and what they mean in terms of the “reforms” that would be necessary — receive ANY serious attention from Karen (or the journalists and experts she cites) when discussing the who “outcome based” approach to reform. Its all about how “better data” (supposedly) will lead to the same outcomes at lower costs. Its pure BS, because the insurance companies already do the “managed care” stuff based on that data and they are still charging an arm and a leg for HMO coverage. But its BS that the insurance industry wants you to believe makes it unnecessary to eliminate their parasitic role.

  • 53_3

    “Its all about how “better data” (supposedly) will lead to the same outcomes at lower costs. Its pure BS, because the insurance companies already do the “managed care” stuff based on that data and they are still charging an arm and a leg for HMO coverage. But its BS that the insurance industry wants you to believe makes it unnecessary to eliminate their parasitic role.”
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    Having just stepped in, I see this and Stuart’s responses as very, very cogent.
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    I’d like to emphasize, and maybe Stuart can fill in with real information (thanks in advance if you do), that the managed care approach implicated in this statement has already been tried. The savings, even if Karen is right, is only 30% of the doctor’s fees.
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    It is very important to make this distinction as reducing the number of unnecessary tests and procedures will not necessarily affect the length of a hospital/clinic stay.
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    I am going to repeat it again, because I want it to be read and thought about over the deafening silence of those who will relentlessly ignore it:
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    Reducing the number of unnecessary tests and procedures will not necessarily affect the length of a hospital/clinic stay.
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    Now, having said that, I toss in this question:
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    With hospital charges in the neighborhood of $4000 / day, how is it possible that such managed care would reduce this cost?

  • 53_3

    I might point out here that seeing an advertising banner for Dr. Oz, Chief Inspector Of Buttsnakes, on the header does not bode well for health care in this country…

  • rose83

    Not that they are the most sympathetic bunch in the world, but I’m not understanding why everyones so surprised that doctors and insurerers are protesting a massive pay cut. If more people are to receive coverage the money has to come from somewhere. Apparently there are a bunch of people perfectly willing to stick it the Doctors. Perhaps they’re overpaid, but you don’t expect them to roll over and play dead while their meal ticket’s being snatched away from them, do you?
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    Paul Dirks, doctors’ pay is of course a very small proportion of health expenditures; their income is not why Americans pay more for health care and get less. That’s why it would be smart to divide the physicians/insurers alliance by including provisions to pay enough money directly to doctors to essentially guarantee their income won’t drop.

  • messenia

    plukasiak: For instance, Kaiser Permanente offers no “out of network coverage” — get sick or hurt while you’re on vacation, and you’re not covered — unless and until you get to a facility owned by Kaiser Permanente.
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    That is categorically untrue. The back of every Kaiser card is imprinted with instructions to either call 911 or go to the nearest provider if you should have a medical emergency while out of your service area. There is also an 800 number printed on the card that the out-of-plan provider should call “once you are stablized” to discuss your treatment plan. Kaiser patients are treated all around the country, indeed around the world, every single day.
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    We will never make any progress on this issue if misrepresentations — intentional or accidental — is allowed to cloud facts. If you don’t know the truth, ask. If you do know then please don’t misrepresent it in attempt to sway others.

  • pippapippa

    KT, good catch with all that “uniquely American” stuff! It sort of sounds like, “We’re America. We don’t learn from anyone with any experience.” Sigh. You’ve pinpointed the problem here.

  • plukasiak

    That is categorically untrue.
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    then why, when you check what kinds of plans are available from KP/Georgia, does every plan say “no” to the question “Out of network coverage”?
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  • henqiguai

    re: #48 – plukasiak Says:
    Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 5:37 am

    then why, when you check what kinds of plans are available from KP/Georgia, does every plan say “no” to the question “Out of network coverage”?

    Um, because it’s Georgia ?

  • messenia

    “then why, when you check what kinds of plans are available from KP/Georgia, does every plan say “no” to the question “Out of network coverage”?
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    You would have to ask Kaiser Georgia for clarification on that. I do know that when Kaiser first started operation in Georgia, they had a higher-premium PPO plan that allowed you to go to non-Kaiser physcians. Once the plan had enough members and doctors, that plan was discontinued. It’s possible that it’s referring to that kind of out of plan coverage rather than urgent care.
    .
    In any case it is definitely not true that emergency expenses incurred at non-Kaiser facilities are not covered. Even when the subscriber is an area with a large Kaiser presence, 911 respondents take the patient to the closest facility — whether or not it’s a Kaiser facility — and Kaiser pays.

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