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McCain Unhinged

For two years now, John McCain has been entirely consistent on Iran: every last statement he’s made–at least, those that I’ve seen–has been (a) fabulously uninformed and (b) dangerously bellicose. He’s still at it, apparently. There is no question that President Obama’s more prudent path is the correct one right now. There is also no question that the neoconservatives are trying to gin up this situation into an excuse for not engaging with the Iranian government in the near future–and also as a rationale for their dearest, looniest dream, war with Iran. I’ve come home more pessimistic that much can be accomplished in negotiations with the Khamenei-Ahmadinejad government, but we certainly should continue to make the effort to lure the Iranians into the civilized world. It may even be the case that Khamenei decided that Ahmadinejad’s reelection was a pre-requisite for negotiations.

Meanwhile, Pete Wehner has a post at the Commentary blog comparing Iran in 2009 to the Soviet Union of the 1980′s which, of course, is completely ridiculous. I visited Russia back in the day and I’ve now visited Iran twice. There is no comparison. The Soviet Union was the most repressive place I’ve ever been; its residents lived in constant terror. I’ll never forget my first translator in Moscow telling me that his parents had trained him never to smile in public–it could easily be misinterpreted and then he’d be off to the Gulag. There was no internet in those days, no cellphones, no facebook or twitter.

Iran, by contrast, is breezy with freedom. It is certainly freer now, despite Ahmadinejad, than it was when I first visited in 2001. There are satellites dishes all over the place, which bring accurate news via BBC Persia and the Voice of America. The place is awash in western music, movies and books. The Supreme Leader has a website; ayatollahs are blogging. You can get the New York Times and CNN online. (I was interested to find, however, that most blogs except those, like this one, that are associated with a mainstream media outlet, are filtered by the government.) There is, in fact, marginally more freedom of expression in Iran than in some notable U.S. allies, like Egypt and Saudi Arabia–although the danger of imprisonment always exists if a journalist or politician takes it a step too far for the Supreme Leader’s watchdogs. It is not even clear that Ahmadinejad–who has significant backing from the sort of people who support Republicans here (the elderly, the religious extremists) plus a real following among working-class Iranians–would have lost this election, if the votes had been counted fairly. (I tend to believe that they weren’t counted at all, but that’s just my opinion.)

The point is, neoconservatives like McCain and Wehner just can’t seem to quit their dangerous habit of making broad, extreme statements based on ideology rather than detailed knowledge of the situation in Iran and elsewhere. This was always the main problem with McCain’s candidacy–he would have been a trigger-happy President, just as Wehner’s old boss, George W. Bush, was. We are well out of that.

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  • formerlyjames

    Welcome home. Excellent post. Agree completely. It is a new world, and the neo in neocon is old world. Have a good good sleep.

  • fourlegsgood

    I’m just glad he’s not the president. Egads.

  • sacredh

    JK: Welcome back and we’re glad you made it safely. Thanks also for tearing into grandpa on one of your first posts. We sure dodged a bullet and a bimbo on November 4th. There are alot of people who aren’t happy with Obama, but look at the alternative. Luckily for us, even his own party doesn’t take him very seriously anymore. All the rest of us just wish he’d STFU and spend some of Cindy’s beer money.

  • tantef

    Welcome home Joe. Good post. If McCain and Scara would just learn that hystrionics do not get you far in the world perhaps they would STFU.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    That reminds me. What’s Randy Scheunemann up to these days?

  • sacredh

    I get cranky when my back is sore. Once I finish laying the new flagstones this evening, I should be ready to rip and tear. Look out. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

  • gysgt213

    McCain’s not the only one. Statement from Mike Pence. can’ beliew the rule of law crap doesn’t get him struck down.
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    “Today I’m introducing a resolution that … express its concern regarding the reported irregularities of the presidential election of 12 June, 2009. It will condemn the violence against demonstrators by pro-government militia in Tehran in the wake of the elections. It will affirm our belief in the universality of individual rights and the importance of democratic and fair elections. And lastly, and most importantly, it will express the support of the American people for all Iranian citizens who struggle for freedom, civil liberties and the protection of the rule of law.”
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    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

  • pintortwo

    We are well out of that.
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    Really?
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    ISLAMABAD— The U.S. is embarking on a $1 billion crash program to expand its diplomatic presence in Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan, another sign that the Obama administration is making a costly, long-term commitment to war-torn South Asia, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
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    The White House has asked Congress for — and seems likely to receive — $736 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Islamabad, along with permanent housing for U.S. government civilians and new office space in the Pakistani capital.
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    The scale of the projects rivals the giant U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, which was completed last year after construction delays at a cost of $740 million.
    .

  • Art Pepper

    “Ahmadinejad–who has significant backing from the sort of people who support Republicans here”
    .
    Oh snap!

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  • shaldi

    Okay, let me get this straight…the biggest moron for the unreadable liberal fishwrap that is TIME returns from a country whose brutal and repressive regime is in full view; a country about whose regime conservatives have been warning about for decades while quivering liberals have rushed to ausage the savages; a country whose government sows regional instability and kills with impunity unless American soldiers put things right.

    And Mr. Klein attacks…Mr. McCain, Mr. Bush, Mr. Wehner anything or person he deems “right-wing?”

    Joe Klein…the giant moron among the idiot readers of the unreadable liberal fish wrap that is TIME stands as an immortal among the clueless and feckless of the world.

    Do you dunderheads even realize who the original “neo-cons” were? People like Moynihan and Kirkpatrick? Do you even realize that classical liberalism used to stand for something? The being a liberal meant, in a long ago and much-missed time, that you stood against tyranny and oppression?

    Now you nattering nabobs stand for “social justice” or some such squishy and meaningless slogan.

    US liberals are cowards by and large and make me want to vomit…preferably upon Joe Klein.

    If being a “neo-con” desribes, in your fevered imaginations, someone who stands for and believes in liberty, free-market ecomonmies and the supremacy of the individual…count me in. Please!

    You dunces stand for nothing except endless childhood and perpetual adolescence. You make me ill with contempt for your weakness.

    By the way…think Iraq’s liberty has anything to do with Iran today? Oh, that is right…Joe Klein and others told us Arabs could not handle liberty.

    You people voted for this effete, know-nothing and narcissistic chief executive. Just so you could feel good.

    Let me know how this idiot’s administration turns out. Good luck.

  • bitterpill8

    Joe: I did not expect an early post. But in recent days St John and Lieberman/Graham have excelled themselves in being plain stupid. St John is now a cartoon character: I am grateful he did not say “We are all Iranians now”. The other two schmos are no better. And Mike Pence? and the much Tannned Boehner? I am having a problem differentiating them from Ahmedinejad. We live in interesting times!

  • mmwilliams

    “Iran, by contrast, is breezy with freedom”

    Brilliant choice of words given the state of events.

    Also a bit of editing:

    “Ahmadinejad–who had significant backing from people who support Democrats here”

    Who was applauding Ahmadinejad before he gave his speech at Columbia University a couple years ago? Uptown Manhattan liberals. Ahmadinejad was Bush’s arch-enemy while Bush was still in office. That was enough for the liberal establishment to at least give Ahmadinejad the benefit of the doubt in things big and small. Bush assessed the Iranian regime correctly and Klein had it and still has it wrong. He should be apologizing rather than pointing a finger.

  • sevenoaks07

    Is Shaldi looking for a return of the Shah in Shah?????

  • orlconvict

    Shaldi – let me get this straight. The same people who wanted to bomb and nuke Iran now want to issue a resolution supporting those same people? You guys don’t know a damn thing about Iran, its culture or its people. As an American Iranian, I just want you to know that you can fcuk off.

  • sevenoaks07

    From what I am gathering coming out of Iran a lot of the people protesting the elections are like us: ordinary folks, students, businessmen etc who are looking for a government which will respond to their needs. We should avoid getting entangled in their politics while giving warm support to their endeavours. What we don’t need is heavy handed gasbaggery from the our collection of chickenhawks.

  • spob

    “Iran, by contrast, is breezy with freedom.”
    .
    Is that like saying that Darfur, when compared to North Korea, has a food surplus?
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    orlconvict, I presume that as an American, you are appalled by Iranian shipment of explosives used to blow up Americans in Iraq and would understand the desire to stop such shipments, even with the use of force.

  • queencersei

    Behold, Spob gets a new handle!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s amazing how many people think that not wanting the cure to be worse than the disease means you like the disease.
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    Not wishing to kill people en masse is not synonymous with supporting a regime. Confusion on this point is frequently fatal but unfortunatly it’s never the confused who actually succumb.

  • spob

    Ah, the genius that is queencersei. Did you too get dropped on your head as an infant?

  • formerlyjames

    shaldi, thanks so much for a good happy laugh. I thought at first that maybe it was in jest…dunderheads, nattering nabobs? And “classical liberal” versus what? You wouldn’t know liberal, or conservative, for that matter if it bit you in the ass. Please don’t suffocate on your own vomit. I can address your sludge, but won’t, in appreciation for such a good laugh.

  • orlconvict

    spob – of course I am appalled by the actions of the Iranian government. You won’t find me supporting any faction of the regime since 1979. You are conveniently mixing the regime with the people – and what this is showing you blowhards is that they are not the same. Again – why now show support them when until recently you wanted to obliterate them? What changed? You suddenly became educated?

    Btw – I also presume that as an American you were appalled by the shipment of explosives to blow up Iranians in the 1980s to that dictator in Iraq you have come to hate… and that you would understand the anger that Iranians would have because of that?

  • spob

    of course, formerlyjames, you probably don’t care about the Iranian bombs that have killed our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in Iraq . . . .
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    I bet Joe Klein doesn’t care either.

  • kathy

    Very glad that you are back “safe and sound.” Your soundness reflected in excellent observation “McCain unhinged.” bless you.
    .
    Buchanan’s comments (below) make it clear that one doesn’t have to be of the left to see the wisdom of Obama’s response to this. And the poverty of the right’s approach to foreign policy can be seen in how quickly so many of them would have fallen into a trap.
    .
    We need a contest some week to make up headlines that the right would over-react to. They are ready to blame Obama for simply everything. Apparently never read about crying wolf, when young.
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    Sullivan’s blog has been covering this exclusively the last couple of days. Good stuff.
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    “When your adversary is making a fool of himself, get out of the way. That is a rule of politics Lyndon Johnson once put into the most pungent of terms. U.S. fulminations will change nothing in Tehran. But they would enable the regime to divert attention to U.S. meddling in Iran’s affairs and portray the candidate robbed in this election, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, as a poodle of the Americans…
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    The dilemma for America is that the theocracy defines itself and grounds its claim to leadership through its unyielding resistance to the Great Satan—the United States—and to Israel. Nevertheless, Obama, with his outstretched hand, his message to Iran on its national day, his admission that the United States had a hand in the 1953 coup in Tehran, his assurances that we recognize Iran’s right to nuclear power, succeeded. He stripped the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad of their clinching argument—that America is out to destroy Iran and they are indispensable to Iran’s defense,” – Patrick Buchanan.

  • spob

    orlconvict, of course, you remember Iran’s seizure of our embassy and the regional threat it posed during the Iran-Iraq war.
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    I don’t think any serious commentator or politician is of the view that military action should be directed at the Iranian people a la WWII and the German people. I myself have zero interest in “obliterating” the Iranian people.
    .
    You clown yourself in your response.

  • orlconvict

    spob – so when Giuliani said he would support nuking Iran, did he not know that dropping a nuclear bomb would effectively obliterate a society? Or is he not a serious politician? Or when McCain sang bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran was he just talking about the tactical strikes that have not had an civilian casualties in Afghanistan or Iraq?

  • smartpeopleiknow

    BTW, regarding this comment: “(I was interested to find, however, that most blogs except those, like this one, that are associated with a mainstream media outlet, are filtered by the government.)”

    I am guessing it is because this blog is hosted on a server that has a different IP address than other mainstream media. If they are filtering / censoring via IP address, that could explain it.

    Welcome back, Joe. Get a bit of rest, then get busy! :)

  • spob

    orlconvict, please provide links that show context–I would support nuking Iran if Iran nuked Israel or Europe or provided terrorists with a nuclear bomb.

  • jcapan

    I’d say Johnny Mac makes W. look measured and reflective. The guy’s a stroke waiting to happen. Obama may not be jesus, but at times like this thank that mythical figure that he’s in the WH.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Hmmm.
    Accuse opponents of “not caring”, a clear lie,
    Insist that military action is necessary yet somehow that it magically doesn’t involve killing Iranian people, clear nonsense.
    Suggest that someone else was dropped on their head – Three’s a charm!

  • orlconvict

    spob – so you don’t remember during the republican debates Guliani being asked that if Iran was on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon, would he support a nuclear strike?

  • kathy

    Obama did something more useful to Moussavi’s supporters than speaking on their behalf: the State Department asked Twitter not to shut down for servicing, because Twitter was being so important for communication.

  • formerlyjames

    The outcome of democracy in Iran may not be what the CIA and State Dept. would like. Too bad. Live with it. Make it a first in US foreign policy. The alternative, fighting it and meddling, can only make bad worse.

  • spob

    orlconvict, no I don’t. To be frank, I don’t pay a ton of attention to presidential debates. They’re boooooooooooring as hell.
    .
    Giuliani may have been talking about bunker busting tactical nukes. You don’t take an option off the table. But yapping about nuking Iran is silly and unpresidential.

  • rivlax

    And the Walter Duranty Useful Idiot Award for 2009 goes to….

  • jbirdme

    no question???

  • formerlyjames

    I am opposed to nuking any country. Nuclear bombs are very bad. The USA and Russia have agreed on this for 60 years, thanks to god and the monster in the sky and to Nikita Khrushev, who saved us from the insane Kennedys. What part of this is not understandable? Tell me.

  • sacredh

    “Obama may not be Jesus”
    Sacrilege! Get thee behind me Satan. Not too close. There, that’s better. Hands where I can see them.

  • 53_3

    “I don’t pay a ton of attention to presidential debates. They’re boooooooooooring as hell.”
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    To translate, this means they are beyond his ability to comprehend.
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    I can see it now, because I’ve seen it before(*1). Just when the reform movement in Iran gets going, the US gets bellicose (or would, if we had the GOPers in there) and snuffs the flames of freedum(*1).
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    (*1) George W Bush, POTUS43. Had he not gotten us into Iraq, who knows where the reform movement might be today.
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    (*2)I done spelt it that way so spob and the other nutjobs could understand it – it makes it clearer too. They are free to be as dumb as a warm rock on a windowsill.
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    Obama has it right. The USAF over Tehran would be just the thing right now to cement in Ahmadinejad’s “win” for years to come…

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Waddya mean, “No more Mr. Nice Guy”? I’m right here…

  • sacredh

    Mr. Nice Guy: Apologies and apologies on top of apologies. Your presence is duly noted. You’ll have to forgive me. A slight back injury necessitated the injestion of some Rush candies (prescription of course) and I punctured my arm. I claim distraction.

  • pintortwo

    I presume that as an American, you are appalled by Iranian shipment of explosives used to blow up Americans in Iraq and would understand the desire to stop such shipments, even with the use of force. -sbob
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    For the record, there is no evidence that Iran armed the Iraqi insurgency. I’ll let US Navy Commander (retired) Jeff Huber discuss:
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    (T)he U.S. military was all ready to show the American press in Iraq the big cache of Iranian arms that Iraqi security forces had captured from Moqtada al Sadr’s Mahdi Army during the recent fighting in the Iraqi cities.
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    The arms, in theory, would have proven once and for all the administration’s assertions that Iran is arming Sadr’s Shiite militiamen. There was just one glitch; when U.S. inspectors went in to inspect the captured arms, they said that none of the weapons or ammunition could be reliably traced to Iran.
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    (…)
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    Two wrenches intruded the cogs of Petraeus’s propaganda machinery. After an Iraqi delegation returned from meetings in Iran with evidence Iran had not armed Iraqi militias, al-Maliki formed his own committee to investigate U.S. claims about Iran.
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    On top of that, when American arms inspectors took a look at the “Iranian” arms captured in Karbala, they determined than none of them had come from Iran. The U.S. military told reporters there had been a “misunderstanding” and cancelled the demonstration.
    .

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    pintortwo: if this “misunderstanding” were covered in the MSM at all, it was probably buried on page 15, in small type. In the meantime, the _desired_ message had been forcibly multiplied: IRAN SUPPLIED WEAPONS TO IRAQ!!

  • pintortwo

    -Mr Nice Guy
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    From the same article above, Huber wondered about the media’s coverage:
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    I went to the New York Times web site and searched for stories in the prior 30 days containing “iran iraq weapons basra karbala.” Zip. I did the same search at the Washington Post site. Squat. I tried again at the Boston Herald. Nada, and I also got jack at the Chicago Tribune.
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    The only place Huber was able to find any discussion of these weapons was in the LA Times
    blog section.
    .

  • shaldi

    Dear Orlconvict and formerlyjames,

    F*ck off and I can choke on my own vomit?
    Ooooh. Stop it, that hurts.

    As an Iranian-American you should be ashamed of yourself orlconvict.

    Formerlyjames, I am still quite sure that you do not know what constitutes classical liberalism. You just go around and mouth slogans you hear on the television. My suggestion? Read occasionally.

    As far as sevenoaks07 wondering if I wish for the return of the Shah? In many ways yes, for Iranian society under the Shah was light years ahead of Iranian society today. Infant mortality was lower, illiteracy was lower and relative median income was higher. Yes, his secret police was an abomination, but his regime has far less blood on its hands than do the mullahs.

    Orlconvict…I have been in that part of the world saving Muslim ass from bloodthirsty and savage fellow Muslims and travelers through the charade that is Islam.

    Let me know when you put it on the line for Americans…or any other infidel for that matter.

    I am sorry you TIME readers and generally effete liberals live in a land of no “violence”, dreams, unicorns and penny whistles.

    You voted for this socialist, radical, afro-Marxist joke of a senator, man and chief executive.

    You people live with the results.

    But of course you will be able to do so because, like him, you will be able to make up and invent a narrative history to suit your particular mood or “identity” of the moment.

    Fools all…this is the land of Evan Thomas…the land where Obama is God.

    Get me the hell out of here…please (and no, I will not let the door hit me on the way out, not to worry).

    Please, read something people….anything besides TIME….before your minds become completely made of mush.

    Because then you are Joe Klein.

  • pintortwo

    My last sentance, @ 8:41, should not be in italics.

  • pintortwo

    …and it should be “sentence” (oh boy).

  • pippapippa

    Joe, your reference to the blogging ayatollahs was hilarious. It sounds like a punk band. “Everyone, give it up for the Blogging Ayatollahs!”

    And if that doesn’t show how much the world has changed….

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    I’ve saved you the trouble of pointing out Bill Kristol’s foolishness with respect to the current situation in Iran.
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    There is also no question that the neoconservatives are trying to gin up this situation into an excuse for not engaging with the Iranian government in the near future–and also as a rationale for their dearest, looniest dream, war with Iran.
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    Yes, but they can’t quite say that out loud at the moment, so they will make somber, euphemistic noises about “leadership” and “the right thing”.
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    At this moment, these fools and opportunists must be loudly opposed by truly serious people, Joe Klein.
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    Go to it.

  • formerlyjames

    shaldi, your repeated usurption of the phrases of that illustrious patriot Amercan fraud and thief, Spiro Agnew leads me to question your rationale. In your last post, the word “effete” stands out. You claim to be a supporter of the dictator Shah, installed and propped up by the CIA. Do you know that you have kinship with the Cuban fascists in Miami who supported the dictator Batista and were displaced by Castro? Go join them there to form a great fascist society.
    =
    I don’t normally engage in name calling and pissing contests on the Swamp, but with you I will make an exception. You are the foulest of the foul…you support suppression and even death of people for your own pig lusts. I piss on you.
    +
    Go to Miami. Join the Cuban fascists there. Eventually, you will be crushed.

  • formerlyjames

    shaldi,one more thing. I love this country so much, and more so that I can suggest that you join fellow fascist in Miami. No place on earth but in our great country is that possible. Not in your beloved Shah land, not in Batista Cuba, not in China nor Russia. Only here in our great country. Bend over and kiss your ass in thanksgiving.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    After reading some of these comments, it seems to me like McCain isn’t the only one unhinged.

  • sacredh

    Shakespeare in GA: You beat me to it by a couple of minutes. I suggest we all take a quick break, toss back a few shots and then get creative. Let’s not stop until the High Sheriff’s ban one of us.

  • formerlyjames

    If that’s about my comments, sorry to all and especially the High Sheriffs.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Check out this post by Yglesias on McCain’s recent Twittering with Jake Tapper: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/06/neocon-egomania-on-iran.php
    .
    Just another reason why I think Twitter is dumb. Unless it’s one of the only ways for people in a mullah-run nation to communicate with the outside world.

  • sacredh

    formerlyjames: Unhinged is good. The whole world is crazy so I think we should go with “Insanity is a sane response to an insane world”. I’m not sure who the High Sheriffs are, but I don’t think we should worry about p!ssing them off. Amy might be a High Sheriff. She’d never read our posts let alone respond to them. Carry on.

  • yutsano

    Shakespeare in GA: You beat me to it by a couple of minutes. I suggest we all take a quick break, toss back a few shots and then get creative. Let’s not stop until the High Sheriff’s ban one of us.
    -
    I feel the need to quote that great philosopher and gentle soul, The Honorable Jimmy Buffet (admit it, you didn’t see that coming!)
    -
    “So why don’t we get drunk and screw?”
    - :)

  • jcapan

    “At this moment, these fools and opportunists must be loudly opposed by truly serious people, Joe Klein. Go to it.”
    ~
    I’d add this to the fool/opportunist brigade:
    ~
    http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/06/15/political-colors/

  • formerlyjames

    sacredh, I always enjoy what you have to say. Thanks.
    =
    yutsano, yeah, that’s what this blog was to begin with…”Let’s get drunk and screw”…good or bad…discuss. Depends I guess on who the screwer is and who be the screwee, and who be the Independent Counsel.
    =
    Maybe I better just go to bed. Night all.

  • sacredh

    yutsano: I did NOT see that coming. “Let’s get drunk and screw”. If that wasn’t the 11th Commandment, it should have been. I’m not religious, but MY God would have said “Get f#@ked up and multiply your asses off”. On the 7th day he would have fired up a fatty and said “That’s it. You work things out for yourselves. Talk to me if you want to but don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer. Amen.” Can I just go to hell now?
    Formerlyjames: You’re welcome.
    OK, I’ve dropped the F-Bomb, been sacriligious and made a drug reference. Have the High Sgeriffs packed it in already?

  • yutsano

    OK, I’ve dropped the F-Bomb, been sacriligious and made a drug reference. Have the High Sgeriffs packed it in already?
    -
    You were fine until the spelling error. For that you shall be banished for all eternity into the pits of Hell, also known as RedState.

  • sacredh

    I’ll take Dante’s Seven Circles of Hell. Even liberal heathens like me fear RedState.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Formerlyjames, I am still quite sure that you do not know what constitutes classical liberalism. You just go around and mouth slogans you hear on the television. My suggestion? Read occasionally.”
    .

    What work would you recommend as the best example of a liberal epistemology and why?
    .
    Thanks in advance for the insight.

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  • matt1974

    Here are some photos of Iranian Demonstrations taken by regular people
    http://picasaweb.google.com/maryam.rahm/AmazingDaysInTehran?authkey=Gv1sRgCPnBr-GUxsSgdg&feat=email#

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  • rossputin

    Right, Joe, Iran is “breezy with freedom”, unless you’re a woman or unless your hair is a little too long or unless you have some interest in Democracy. You must be kidding.

  • sacredh

    “breezy with freedom” is probably just a euphemism for “winds of change”. They don’t enjoy the levels of freedom that we have, but things are loosening up in Iran.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    rossputin: Joe Klein said Iran is breezy with freedom in comparison to the Soviet Union of the 1980s. Not a very high standard, true, but he was responding to a post on Commentary describing Iran in terms of the U.S.S.R.
    .
    Context is important.

  • spob

    Obama looks positively lilliputian compared to Ronald Reagan:
    .
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023832.php

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Perhaps McCain has become unhinged on Iran because with all those people in the street, he thinks America is wasting a valuable targeting opportunity, for the only solution the right promotes any longer, military force?

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Oh, no! Not Ronald Reagan! If only we had him, all our problems would be solved!
    .
    I grew up with Reagan as president. Like most people at the time, I thought he was the greatest president ever. Of course, I was 10 when he was first elected. Now I’ve had time to look back and reconsider.
    .
    Poland’s crackdown on the Solidarity movement is not the same thing as the street protests by Iranians against what they see as a fixed election. Completely different context. We don’t have a history of meddling in Poland. We do have a history of meddling in Iran, a bad history that added fuel to the 1979 revolution.
    .
    And Obama did speak out against violence and said that we and all free people stand with the people of Iran. I’m not sure what else he should do. Send in the Marines? Carpet-bomb Tehran? To what purpose?
    .
    Seriously, what else should the U.S. be doing with regards to Iran? I don’t know all the answers and would gladly entertain all serious thoughts on the matter.
    .
    And Ronald Reagan is not the solution for anything our country is facing in 2009.

  • rubypanther

    I think it’s funny that they can’t view fivethirtyeight.com buy they can view freakin’ swampland.

  • http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/679027-you-iran-interventionists-happy-now.html#post9338005 Are You Iran Interventionists Happy Now? – Politics and Other Controversies – City-Data Forum

    [...] [...]

  • http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/joe-klein-reports-on-iran/ Joe Klein reports on Iran « Later On

    [...] in Daily life, GOP, Iran at 11:39 am by LeisureGuy Interesting column: For two years now, John McCain has been entirely consistent on Iran: every last statement [...]

  • http://successuniversitypros.com/blog/times-joe-klein-ahmadinejad-supporters-like-bushs-base-voters-mousavi-like-erudite-john-kerry Time’s Joe Klein: Ahmadinejad Supporters Like Bush’s Base Voters, Mousavi Like Erudite John Kerry | Business Opportuinty Buzz And Web News

    [...] the midst of his June 16 Swampland blog screed leveled against the "unhinged" Sen. John McCain for his criticism of President [...]

  • http://www.gotaccesssecrets.com/times-joe-klein-ahmadinejad-supporters-like-bushs-base-voters-mousavi-like-erudite-john-kerry/ Time’s Joe Klein: Ahmadinejad Supporters Like Bush’s Base Voters, Mousavi Like Erudite John Kerry | Got Access News

    [...] the midst of his June 16 Swampland blog screed leveled against the "unhinged" Sen. John McCain for his criticism of President [...]

  • http://www.businessopportunitystartup.com/blog/times-joe-klein-ahmadinejad-supporters-like-bushs-base-voters-mousavi-like-erudite-john-kerry/ Time’s Joe Klein: Ahmadinejad Supporters Like Bush’s Base Voters, Mousavi Like Erudite John Kerry | Latest Technology News – Business News And Expert Advice

    [...] Mousavi Like Erudite John Kerry Posted by Internet Guru June 17, 2009 In the midst of his June 16 Swampland blog screed leveled against the "unhinged" Sen. John McCain for his criticism of President [...]

  • http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/70451 Commentary » Blog Archive » He’s Not Even Warren Christopher

    [...] one of my more tiresome public services, I will once again take a moment to respond to a Joe Klein outburst, this time criticizing something I wrote earlier this week. Klein writes: Pete Wehner has a post at [...]

  • shaldi

    Dear FormerlyJames,

    I usually do not waste my time with lunkheads such as you or on frivolous/inane/silly web destinations such as Joe Klein’s twaddle fest. But, there are exceptions.

    Get your head out of your backside son. I never claimed to “support the Shah”…I said that, relative to the mullahs, the years of his rule were a walk in the park compared to the last 30 years. By any societal measure, life in Iran was better under the Shah.

    Thank you for pointing out that, yes, I would gladly support Batista over the murderous Castro brothers and Che. Given the choice, there really is no choice.

    If you don’t believe me, have someone come over and visit you from Cuba. Oh, never mind.

    If you don’t agree with me, visit one of Castro’s political prisoners, if any still live. Oh, never mind.

    Or, failing these, visit Cuba and, once you are away from the segregated tourist enclaves, talk to any everyday Cuban. Oh, never mind.

    Like most progressives, you spout of about things you know nothing about. You parrot silly socialist and revolutionary chants and slogans, without thought to the blood, terror and heartache that brings each one life.

    You, sir, are a silly American liberal/progressive…no real accomplishments, a lingering hate for liberty, general self-loathing and cowardice and a small mind.

    Good luck to you Sir…methinks you may need it.

  • http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/679027-you-iran-interventionists-happy-now-20.html#post9367486 Are You Iran Interventionists Happy Now? – Politics and Other Controversies – Page 20 – City-Data Forum

    [...] [...]

  • http://www.dodapedia.com/2009/06/media-freedom/ DodaPedia » Blog Archive » Media = Freedom?

    [...] there! If you are new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for updates on this topic.Joe Klein on Iran and the USSR: Pete Wehner has a post at the Commentary blog comparing Iran in 2009 to the Soviet Union of the [...]

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/06/29/dot-dot-dot/ Dot. Dot. Dot. – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] Americans over at the Weekly Standard have a parody this week that involves a quote from one of my posts here a few weeks [...]

  • http://mikeyanginchina.com/?p=15 More about McCain vs Obama on Iranian Election « mikeyanginchina

    [...] Klein of Time Magazine agrees with me! [...]

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