Quote of the Day

And I’m sure, AS, that La Raza (the race, btw) rejects MEChA, right?

Aren’t those wingnuts just so special! Apparently, they were all raised in a barn.

Wouldn’t that be kind of like the military without the uniforms or the weapons?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/23053.html
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Seems that some Dems are not so jazzed about Sotomayor’s Latina judge comment . . . .

Firstly, wouldn’t it be great if leftists were regularly quoted at the “liberal” Swamp? Even if they were being ridiculed.
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But acknowledging that will never happen, we can all pray for death of the great satan, as my amigo Hugo would say:
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Francis Wilkinson, The Week:
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“If conservatives were to look up from hammering nails in the Time’ coffin, they might notice that there is a growing web-based journalism infrastructure preparing to supplant their bête noir. It’s an infrastructure that is not only more liberal than the Times but also less inhibited by the paper’s habits of deference to power and concern for open debate and fair play. Having evolved in the era of Bush and Cheney, WMD and torture, much of the new establishment considers the contemporary GOP irredeemable. And unlike the Times, it refuses to treat conservative charges of liberal press bias as anything but a canard.
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The more damage the Times sustains, the faster this new infrastructure rises to replace it.”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/quote-of-the-day.html
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Tire swinger Andrew Sullivan ain’t pleased with his boy

Trancredo is wierd. But he is just following the law in these matters as passed by “they.”
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Q: Tom Tancredo, taking a lot of heat for refusing to take part in this Sunday’s Spanish language presidential debate, it’s airing on Univision. —why take yourself out of this, sir?
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Tancredo: Because I wonder to whom this audi…to whom you are supposed to to be speaking in a debate of this nature. Remember, that we are supposed to be talking to American citizens who have the right to vote. Alright, that’s what a debate is for so you can inform that electorate. It’s against the law to become an American citizen without the ability to speak and understand English. The law requires that. So, to whom are you speaking?
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Q: Many Spanish speaking people still view Spanish as their primary language even if they have passed that test.
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Tancredo: And that is the problem. We should not be encouraging that. My grandparents, when they came here. They would only let my grandparents speak Italian. They only let them speak English.
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http://crooksandliars.com/2007/12/08/tom-tancredo-boycotts-univisionspanish-debate-attacks-their-entire-viewership#comment-280691

Why are there never demands for apologies from Republicans when they have said such hateful and unconscionable things about Sotomayor and Hispanics and women in general in only a matter of days?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Have people already been attempting to apply this quote as being representative of conservatives in general? Because, then this could be used to defeat conservatives nation-wide, rather than the man who actually said it, Tom Tancredo. Gotta love it.

jcapan, normally I don’t like to add to Andrew (or Amy) Sullivan’s hits, but that was actually a horrible comment from Obama. I’m quite surprised. I wouldn’t have thought that would go down well at an LA fundraiser either.
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And back on topic, after watching ALL the Republican primary debates I am not at all surprised by Tancredo’s racist paranoia. That is his specialty.

La Raza means “The Race.” Imagine the uproar if a group of whites got together and formed an organization called The Race: it wouldn’t matter what the purpose of the organization was (even if it was only to drink tea once a week). Even African-Americans couldn’t get away with creating an organization called The Race – it would be derrided as hateful and seperatist and the media would repeatedly run the stereotype of the angry black male who hates all other races. The only reasons Latinos get away with “La Raza” is because it’s in Spanish and thus doesn’t sound quite so harsh on the ear.

@ apollyon07 –remember how Obama was expected to repudiate anything said by his pastor? If members of the GOP rejects this, and thus should be held blameless, I expect public statements.

Got a problem with that?

And I’m sure, AS, that La Raza (the race, btw) rejects MEChA, right?
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They have, actually. I’m not sure why you would automatically assume that all Hispanic groups are exactly alike. (Also, La Raza more accurately translates to “the people” or “the community”.)
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jcapan, normally I don’t like to add to Andrew (or Amy) Sullivan’s hits, but that was actually a horrible comment from Obama. I’m quite surprised. I wouldn’t have thought that would go down well at an LA fundraiser either.
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Well, it would appear that Obama’s comments were taken out of context to seem worse than they really were. (Shocking, I know.)

I just went to La Raza’s website. It’s truly shocking, with it’s focus on the swine flu and foreclosure issues. Truly subversive stuff there!
http://www.nclr.org/

darius, I don’t, but given La Raza’s desire for unchecked immigration and its desire that laws on the books not be enforced (damn that in a nation of laws that the citizenry has a right to have laws enforced), not sure that La Raza is all that far away from MEChA.

darius3, ditto here about the obama statement. I think he’s been sequestered too much because that much insensitivity is just wrong however you wanna take it. even for a joke.
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now, i find it rather surprising that quite a good number of people here are defending tom tancredo’s KKKs comment. Amy said 2 decades. I was planning on disagreeing. But seeing the reaction here, i think the gop grassroots might be catching on with this theme. Which is just awesome! lol

desire for unchecked immigration and its desire that laws on the books not be enforced
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hmmm
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Given his current track record, what do suppose the odds are that spob is accurately portraying the agenda of the group in question?
hmmmm….
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Nope
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Once a liar – always a liar!

Darius, thanks for the Kos link, but I’m unsure if that provides the necessary context. But AS does have a penchant for leaping before he has a full picture, only to later backtrack. However, Burnside doesn’t set my mind at ease with probing, mind-reading insights like this:
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“he is basically saying that he is happy that people are holding his feet to the fire when it comes to him upholding his campaign promises”
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Err, thanks for interpreting his emotional state. In the end, whether it was insulting or not is of far less concern than Obama’s actions thus far (i.e. not encouraging).

Tancredo went too far.
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However, the group that SS was a member of did give an award to the person who said the following:
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“We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”

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That’s pretty KKK-like, no?
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See the link for my extensive coverage of that group and all the things that hacks like Amy Sullivan won’t tell you about them.

Again, I offer a direct link so people can actually judge the organization’s actual agenda for themselves rather than accept anything that’s been through the Hate-R-Us blender.
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http://www.nclr.org/

Err, thanks for interpreting his emotional state. In the end, whether it was insulting or not is of far less concern than Obama’s actions thus far (i.e. not encouraging).
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A valid point. (And I would agree that Obama’s actions thus far on gay rights – or rather, the lack thereof – have been rather disappointing.)
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As for the diarist, of course he’s speculating, but then again, so are those who automatically assume that Obama meant to slight the gay community. He’s just providing a more charitable interpretation of events.

To say Obama was “mocking gay protesters” you better have a better quote than that. So weak.
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Everybody is a Perez Hilton.

No, Obama wasn’t mocking. Andrew Sullivan should apologize for claiming he was mocking marriage equality protesters, although Sullivan is of course absolutely right about his broader criticisms.

AS, after readers alerted him: “The video doesn’t make it seem so bad, and the referent is clearly broader than just gay rights. Maybe I jumped too soon.”
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A habit of his, and I shouldn’t have linked to his initial pearl-clutch that soon, larger admin. movement or lack thereof on the issue notw/standing. But we can acknowledge the gay community has a right to a little sensitive or reactionary here, can’t we?

From their point of view, La Raza describes itself as …
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BZZZZZT! Reporting fail.
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What do they actually do, Amy? “Some say/others say” doesn’t add to anyone’s understanding of anything.
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Here on the thread, we have LonelyWacko15/Kattest/whatever his latest vanity domain is called, self-linking to a claim that they support extermination of someone or something. With enemies like that, La Raza must be a pretty solid group of guys (and gals).

spob’s so inverted on anything nonwhite it hurts.
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I mean, c’mon now, la Raza the KKK?
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Last I heard, the number of dead attributable to the KKK, even now is about 10 to 15 per year, and anywhere from 200,000 to more than 2,000,000 in it’s long and illustrius history as the worlds oldest and largest modern terrorist orgainization.
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I don’t think anyone should be surprised by the rhetoric from the right, as they’ve been equating the NAACP of just that for over 30 years.
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Didn’t anyone ever tell you about Southern Strategy, Amy?

Does anyone realize how hilarious this whole thing really is?
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The GOP has been saying the exact same thing about Black Americans for 30+ years.
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Exhibit A: The Black community, in return, finally, in last years’ election, kicks them in the teeth for it*.
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The GOP has now started in on the Latino community in the same manner.
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Exhibit B: ?????
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Now, can anyone draw the line from A to B here? Anyone at all?
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*Of course, the hugely significant white vote were the shoulders they stood on to do it!

Now, can anyone draw the line from A to B here? Anyone at all?
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President Santos?

We have a winnuh…
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Seriously though (between fits of laughter). It really seems that the GOP is just one big happy family these days. They have now added yet another issue to be on the wrong side of besides torture, the economy, healthcare, corporate perks, tax havens, SCOTUS, POTUS, global warming, Iraq, the ME, …
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Damn! Isn’t there anything the GOP can get itself on the correct side of these days?

I mean, really, if it was just random luck of the draw on which side to take on the issues, wouldn’t the GOP be right at least some of the time?
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They’d do better throwing darts blindfolded…

Did Tancredo speak this from under his tented white face sheet? Afraid of competition? Hey, that’s America. Free competition.

“@ apollyon07 –remember how Obama was expected to repudiate anything said by his pastor? If members of the GOP rejects this, and thus should be held blameless, I expect public statements.
Got a problem with that?”
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Obama sat in his Church for +20 years, and was personally close to him. I doubt that every GOP congressman has known Tancredo for +20 years and is personally close to him. If you can’t see the difference here, then I’m amazed.
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Though I will say that Obama did eventually do the right thing on the Wright issue, albeit after changing his story several times.

Most stoopidest quote of the day: “America is failing because President Obama is succeeding.” -R. Limbaugh 05/28/09 (yes I actually listened to that blowhard for 3 minutes in the car today – enough time to catch that gem)
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Hey, where did preview go?

apollyon07
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You do alright for awhile but then you always come back to the bullsh*t. What exactly did President Obama change his story on when it came to Rev Wright? And please include links to back up your story.

I’m almost sorry I missed all the good stuff this afternoon. The thread about the “Big right hand” had me rolling and now the GOP decides to go after the Hispanics instead of wooing them. In all fairness, I think Tancredo’s remark is going to be roundly criticized by many in the GOP. Or not. It’s hard to predict what they’re going to say or do anymore. I’m going to miss them when they’re gone.

It is so much fun watching the GOP implode over a Supreme Court nominee who in the long-run has a pretty good chance of being considered a moderate “swing-vote” justice.
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We are fast approaching a point where the Hispanic community votes for Republicans in the same percentage as African Americans (~10%). The only problem is that Hispanics will soon be the “majority minority” (>40% of the population).
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Keep talkin’, White Boys!

dunedweller:
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He must have been talking really, really slowly. I’m sure he picked those words with care…

texgator:
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When white* Americans become the minority, the GOP will turn on them, too. Then, they will accuse the KKK of being like the KKK!*2
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*there is no “white”. There are too many independent histories lumped together to be considered one ethnicity.
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*2 yes! They are that stoopid. See dunedweller’s remarks above.

53_3, He was trying to explain his way out of “I hope Obama fails.” Now he wants Obama to succeed and America to fail–talk about a flip flop!

Boy, I leave the Swamp for a couple of days and look what happens . . .
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I’ve been in Denver on a fact-finding mission, and am happy to report that Denver’s Hispanic community is getting on with life in the real world, as opposed to the transdimensional nightmare that Tancredo and Dobbs and other assorted bedwetters hang out in.
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Check out all the “subversive” goings on at Denver’s Servicios de la Raza:
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http://www.serviciosdelaraza.org/
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As was mentioned above, the word “raza” does not mean “race” (KKK) but “people” (The American People) – as in “La Raza Unida”, “the people united”, or “Que Linda es mi Raza”, “How Beautiful Are My People”, a program that ran on local public television every Saturday morning for, I don’t know, about 30 YEARS.
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Denver’s Hispanic Community are proud Americans who have served their communities and their country about as well as the rest of us. So of course they represent a threat to assclowns like Tancredo and Limbaugh. The good news, as 53_3 mentioned above, is that the current fearmongering from the right should pretty well erase the last fleeting traces of Republican activity in the Hispanic community.
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Obama sat in his Church for +20 years, and was personally close to him. I doubt that every GOP congressman has known Tancredo for +20 years and is personally close to him. If you can’t see the difference here, then I’m amazed.
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Keep crying.
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Shorter Tancredo
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(h/t Troutski)
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Yeah. Limbaugh wants it both ways on everything. First, he claims the crown, then when he gets in the middle of a helmet sandwich, he’s pusses out and says he didn’t want the job as it was “ladled on him”.
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Somehow, whatever was in that ladle wasn’t chocolate, that’s fer sher.
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And in a self-serving leap for the last bit of credibility, after having spent the last week or two lampooning everyone nonwhite, sacredh hits it in the nailhead:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/28/top-republican-calls-limbaugh-gingrich-comments-terrible/
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Or not…

BTW, how long does it take to bury an elephant?

You know, FT, I remember telling Yoshiattacks that he’s playing in the wrong league, and he basically threw Godwin’s law at me.
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All I can say to Yoshi now is just wait until Obama picks an Asian American for his next SCOTUS and the realities will inch just slightly closer to home.
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Of course, I admit to relentlessly ignoring the fact that there are still Black GOPers…

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BTW, how long does it take to bury an elephant?
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Good question.
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What’s amazing to me is how obvious the GOP has made it that they first decided to oppose Sotomayor, and are now casting about for reasons to justify their opposition.
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And the Village thinks it’s perfectly normal. Even pundits who say the GOP won’t/shouldn’t oppose the nomination couch it political terms – that doing so will cause political blowback.
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The idea that Republicans might first consider the nominee’s qualifications and then weigh in, based on substantive matters, just does not occur to anybody. It’s the normalization of a total cynicism.

Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanon say this crazy stuff literally every day, yet they are staples of the “liberal” media. Crazy anti-muslim racists like little nepotistic Billy Kristol have even written for this magazine. Police your own house.

We need only note the place Tancredo finished in the Republican Primaries. Tancredo does not realize that 20th Century fundamentalism is in decline. ……………

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/05/28/the-rise-and-fall-of-20th-century-fundamentalism/

Peter said:‘La Raza means “The Race.” Imagine the uproar if a group of whites got together and formed an organization called The Race…’
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From Wikipedia:
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.
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The term originated in the 1925 book La Raza Cósmica written by Mexican writer José Vasconcelos. He described La Raza Cosmica as the product of gradual racial mixing that was already underway in the Hispanic world. Vasconcelos believed that eventually all of the people within the Spanish Empire would be completely mixed into a new race.
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Hispanic people all around the U.S. have also started using this term to identify themselves. Nonetheless, the term and idea associated with it have been mainly adopted by some Mexican people in the United States to express pride in their nation. In general usage, La Raza implies dignity and pride for these people regarding who they are and their places of origin.
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Just like the so-called ‘racist’ comment of Judge Sotomayor, when you take things out of context (especially when your goal is to promote misunderstanding), you can make the most benign statement or phrase sound despicable. Misrepresentation is one of the primary tools of the demagogue.

 
Let the first white man come forward who has had a pinata burned on his lawn.
 

***The World According To Spob***
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1. Boardrooms, shop floors, and the political establishment is literally overrun with overprivaleged minorities
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2. Blacks and now Latinos are have been taking advantage of the system for years to take from the White man for their own benefit – and, of course, are always screweing it up.
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3. Minorities are rampaging through defensless White communities, burning pinatas (thanks oizy) and watermelons on their lawns.
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4. There is no institutional racism or customary racism, except for the rampant discrimination practiced by minorities against Whites.
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5. The NAAWP and the KKK are only their for underpivaleged Whites’ protection. It’s the NAACP and La Raza that are terrorist organizations.
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6. The GOP was the single most important agency for the promotion of Civil Rights in the ’50s, ’60s, and ’70s. If you disagree with this, you’re being divisive!
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7. People like Tancredi, Gingrich, and Limbaugh are only being “honest” and are “shooting from the hip”.
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8. Obama is not only the Antichrist with a 666 tattooed on his forehead, but he’s a communist gay sympathizing racist whose only aim is to invoke Affirmative Action, kick White people out of their jobs, and imposed forced reparations. When he’s done, Blacks (and now Latinos) will become landlords, kicking Whites out and growing watermelons on their lawns.

BTW, just to make a point, watermelons don’t burn very well, I know, but please reference point #2 above…

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